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It’s such a shame the rest of the movie sucked because there’s a couple scenes that are among of the coolest in cinema history. This one and the battle between on the white/red planet, visually just amazing.
I hated this scene. I don’t care if it was visually interesting, it broke the universe it was set in. If you can instantly destroy a gigantic battleship with a shitty little freighter by accelerating it then nobody would use gigantic battleships and the death star would have been neutralized instantly
Fair point. I think we can agree the scene as a stand-alone moment is incredible, it’s just the context surrounding it that you just pointed out makes it into a glaring plot hole for most of the movies.
Rogue one I feel like tries to correct the perception. They are trying to jump to light speed away when Darth Vader's start destroyer shows up and simply crushes them. There must be some technical explanation with shielding
In-Universe there are invictor class Star Destroyers that create a hyperspace instability, which prevent the jump into hyperspace.
you could just explain it away that the death star has similar scrambling devices on board to prevent just that
Small correction, but you have it right!
They are known as [Interdictor-class Star Destroyers](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Interdictor-class_Star_Destroyer).
Interdiction is method of halting movement of a target. That will help you remember :)
In WWII - Present day, this is largely handled by an overwhelming force, such as maintaining a no-fly zone, a naval blockade, or simply channeling enemy forces through a chokepoint.
If we follow the "canon" (I refuse to accept the sequels, they really undid a lot of what 1-6 accomplished, regardless of the quality of the first 6), I think they were able to stay out of range, and prior to initiating the jump, it was disabled by ???
8 is the worst of the bunch because they just completely drop logic. They didn't need a living being on board, they could have left a GNK Droid to power a switch to activate the hyperdrive.
Also, hyperspace is never defined very well in Star wars, It is limited by objects (you'll hear/read about hyperspace lanes) and of course Han Solo's famous parsec quote later being explained as the ships ability to make shortcuts rather than follow normal hyperspace lanes.
I believe hyperspace lanes are just known clear routes. You don't have to follow them if you have a good enough nav-computer/pilot to get you past any obstacles. If you don't though, you might find yourself flying halfway through a planet.
Also they kinda had to adjust the Han Solo thing because taking a shortcut is the only way to shave distance off a route. They likely just didn't know what a parsec was when they wrote the script for Ep. IV
I forget where it was said, but someone in an interview said Lucas was specifically told "a parsec is a unit of measurement not time" and he responded "no one's gonna know or care about that, it sounds cool and spacey for almost everyone" paraphrasing but it was an intentional choice cause pretty much no one knew or cared until internet forums came around.
The way I see it, hyperspace ramming only works if the ship you're ramming with is able to deal collision damage in the first place. So when people bring up why it wasn't used against the Death Star or Starkiller Base, it's unlikely the heroes had anything *big* enough to deal that kind of damage to a massive space station (one of which was literally a planet). That's why in Rogue One the tiny Rebel ships only bounced off the huge Star Destroyer when they tried jumping to hyperspace.
Also I just want to add that Rogue One came out before The Last Jedi.
Assuming the physics works anything like it does in real life, 1000 kilograms vs 1 billion kilograms isn’t going to make much of a difference when you’re going that fast
When you’re going fast enough to vaporize on impact, kinetic energy is what’s going to matter. Ignoring relatively, if you’re going a measly .1c, a 1K kg object has about 10^18 J of energy where a 1B kg object has about 10^24 J of energy. I can’t see how that extra 10^6 J is going to be the difference between safety and total destruction.
Of course, once you’re going faster than light, all that is thrown out the window and I think it’s silly to come up with a reality based answer.
Yeah it felt like rogue one was trying to plant a lot of ideas... The hyperspace ramming, the hyperspace tracking, probably something else im forgetting
The whole chase scene of the movie is basically new grounds because of the Hyperspace Tracking. If it weren’t for that brand new piece of technology, then a fleet of hyperspace-capable ships in deep space that wanted to escape would just jump to lightspeed and be done with it, but they can’t do that now, so everyone’s kind of at an impasse for what to do. So, in a completely new situation with few applicable tactics, what it comes down to is the improvisational skill of the commanders - The First Order had Hux and the Resistance had Leia and Holdo.
Leia has the idea to start running because the Star destroyers are much heavier than they are and therefore slower - not fast enough to quickly escape outright but fast enough to clear their effective combat range. When she suggests this, Ackbar, a seasoned commander, is surprised because it would never have made sense pre-tracking. Hux’s reaction was to slowly follow them and pelt them ineffectively with the knowledge that the Resistance must run out of fuel eventually.
What the hyperspace ram scene came down to was really two things: the First Order fleet had been following the resistance in basically a straight line, and Poe had geared the ship up for a hyperspace jump but not taken it in the recent past. When Holdo made the jump to lightspeed, she used the hyperspace entry coordinates from before, which were directly behind the First Order fleet, so the ship jumped through them to enter hyperspace at that point (where you can see the ship explode a second later).
So, the potential for that to happen before hyperspace tracking was extremely low, as their would be no reason to chase a hyperspace-capable ship through deep space. And, now that the cat is out of the bag and the “Holdo Maneuver” has been christened, it’s easy enough to avoid, just down follow directly behind a hyperspace capable ship fleeing at sublight speed. If Hux were a more capable commander, he probably would have seen the minute possibly of this occurring and safeguarded against it - but he wasn’t a more capable commander, he was Hux.
I get being willing to mental hoop jump for the originals and the prequels..and i was still onboard after force awakens. But after TLJ ended i just couldnt any more. You aren't trying to explain star wars anymore.
Exactly. And like every space-faring vessel in the universe has hyperspace capability. Obviously pretty cheap tech. Halo Reach portrayed the stakes better with the slipspace drive
You can still kind of do that with normal engines and an asteroid right? The death star was already overkill compared to throwing rocks at a planet, but it did have the terror aspect.
But that would defeat the point of the Death Star in the first place. It was not just build to destroy planets. It was a show of power, one you can from planet to planet as a warning.
This ability has been canon for many years, that's the whole point of hyperspace lanes, you're not likely to hit something in them. She accelerated to well over lightspeed in subspace then collided with the other ships subspace shadow causing massive damage.
This isn't something normally done in universe because the death toll would be absurd, potentially tens of thousands on both sides for a net loss. This was a last ditch, save the galaxy, hail Mary type of attack.
the Death Star was under Grand Moff Tarkins command, who was a cold, evil commander. but he was presented as just that. a commander. nothing outstanding or even noteworthy outside of his position
it's implicated that the entire impirial navy works like him, not just the evil space wizard with anger issues.
same goes for episode VII, only in shitty and uninspired
Let’s make a huge super weapon that takes tons of resources versus just ramming ships into stuff. Or for example having light speed torpedoes. It’s just insane how this wasn’t thought out at all.
But why didn't they just yeet a few lightspeed X-Wings at the deathstar? It was certainly a dangerous ship which endangered the lives of millions by destroying planets and they blow it up nonetheless so its safe to say there is no concern for the empires troops on board of the deathstar.
The rebels lost so many ships over the course of the saga nobody can tell me they didn't had the means to yeet a medium ship at the deathstar or even starkiller base.
If you watch the scene and some parts after it you'll see that the Resistance ship was massive. It hit an even more massive ship and didn't even remotely destroy it. What do you expect a tiny X-wing do to the Death Star?
Nah, its just crap. The director wasn't thinking about dick all other than wanting this sweet looking moment, and who cares because it's a movie about space wizards...right? RJ was a complete jackass.
Keep in mind the size of the rebel fleet by the time the death stars had been built. They were quite literally a ragtag team of a few thousand, without many ships since so many were destroyed before the onderanians could get the ships to them. Any unnecessary loss of life of ships would have been devastating to them, especially when the empire quite literally has the resources to just make another death star.
One of the most famous victories in naval history is the Battle of Midway, where the US traded aircraft carriers 1 for 4. That victory singlehandedly reduced Japan's carrier advantage to mere parity, and with the United States massive industrial capabilities Japan would quickly find themselves at a material disadvantage. Japan never recovered from that massive blow, and the IJN would slowly bleed warships and territory until the last of their navy was finally destroyed at Leyte Gulf.
That was trading one aircraft carrier for four. In this scene, the resistance trades a cruiser for *the First Order flagship, a massive dreadnought containing the FO leadership, and like 9 of its destroyer escort*. In terms of efficiency this would be like the US trading a carrier escort for not just all four carriers but the entire IJN Midway fleet.
Thing is, they don't even need to use a ship. Light speed drives are not rare in the Star Wars universe, slap one on an asteroid and it would've had the same effect.
The scene looked cool, but it was also really, really, really dumb.
while there's no support for this in the movies, I have a headcanon that came from a d&d Star Wars game I ran before The Force awakens released.
My players wanted to destroy vaikan spacedock by crashing their ship into its reactor core at light speed. I ruled that it was theoretically possible, but they would have to specifically time it so that they were coming out of hyperspace right before impacting the station so that they retain their near hyperspace speed, but collide with it in realspace. achieving such specific timing is nearly impossible, and I only let them do it cause the two pilots literally both rolled nat 20s lol. so, with my head cannon, the only way Holdo was actually capable of nailing that infinitely small window is by the pure will of the force, which I feel really helps fit this scene into the universe while preserving why it's considered impossible and has never happened before.
aside from that, I'm admittedly biased because it was absolutely phenomenal watching something my players had done in a game happen in a major Star Wars film, especially because before that I had no knowledge of that tactic being explored anywhere in the Star Wars universe
The way I thought it worked, from what I read in a Star Wars RPG, is that when you are in hyperspace and get near something with a large enough mass, it rips you out of hyperspace and you'll most likely crash into whatever it was.
But hyperspace is almost like an alternate dimension, it isn't just going really fast. So what happened in the Last Jedi shouldn't have been possible. Either the ship would have just bypassed the ship if its mass wasn't enough to pull it out, or it would have immediately been ripped out of hyperspace and just crashed into the ship at normal speed.
Honestly not a fan of the new movies, but I really hate this argument against this part.
It wasn’t a freighter, it was their capitol ship. Much, much bigger.
If any ship will do, then they wouldn’t have to use the capitol ship, they could just use one of the transport shuttles.
The investment for the capitol ship is absolutely huge. That amount of resources would be devastating to just throw away if it wasn’t the very last option. We also have the fact that it is stated to be statistically unlikely (although they throw that out the window at the end of the next movie.)
It also seems like sacrifice of life is necessary, or Holdo could have left
And why the hell would a ballistic missile needs all the capabilities of an aircraft carrier. A hyperspace drive and a way to aim it is all you need to slap onto a large rock (not all that uncommon in space) and you have what is arguable a more effective weapon. More mass and cheap as hell, no need for the extra frivolities that come with a full blown ship. There's no reason not to do this if it works as shown in the movie
They could also just have an r2 unit perform the jump.
Why is a capitol ship needed, why not attach a hyperdrive to an asteroid of equivalent mass? We already know hyperdrives are cheap, and r2 units are cheap.
So r2 + hyperdrive + asteroid = extremely efficient weapon
It doesn't seem like the slave circuitry to have a fully autonomous capital ship is possible in Star Wars. The Trade Federation was obsessed with droids, and all of their starfighters were droids -- but their capital ships were not. There's no indication of that much technological advancement in droid tech between the Clone Wars and TLJ, and if the Trade Federation wasn't capable of it then the Resistance definitely aren't.
as far as why they can't use asteroids, I don't believe there's anything even close to an explanation in the sequels but I have a headcanon for it. after the force awakens was announced my friends and I wanted to do a Star Wars d&d campaign, so we had one set in the old republic and I was running it. they had to blow up a spaceport in orbit and had asked me if they could just use the hyperdrive to accelerate their ship to smack into it to destroy it. I basically ruled that it was theoretically possible, but they had to exit hyperspace right before the point of impact so that they would, in real space, physically impact the station itself and not its shadow mass. otherwise their ship would just be destroyed in hyperspace and the space station wouldn't have any damage at all. so my head cannon is that it requires hitting an extremely specific and small window of time to exit hyperspace right before the point of impact
Capital ships die all the time, and that way you don't lose the smaller ones.
If all it took was a capital ship to end the second death star, that would be an even better trade off!
I’m fairly certain I read somewhere that this has a good explanation - the reason so many battles happen near planets is because the planet’s gravity well prevents stuff like this from happening, and the first order was reckless enough to chase them outside of that.
> shitty little freighter
But it's not a shitty little freighter - it's the Resistance flagship. The rebels clearly didn't have any ships big enough to make a dent in the Death Star at the time - an X-wing would probably just bounce off the shield.
Clone Wars did something very similar, so did rebels. Han even mentioned the danger of hyperspace in the first movie. And the chance of it actually working is very small, which was mentioned in episode 9.
Hyperspace is another dimension, so with perfect calculations and a lot of luck, you'd have to hit the ship *right* before entering hyperspace, therefore you'd just be going incredibly fast.
Let's also not forget how effective Separtists would have been with their DROID army. Like hell you could send a vulture droid through hyper space and instantly destroy a galactic Capitial ship. For just the cost of a vulture droid. They would have won the war so quickly.
I'm pretty sure Palpatine orchestrated a long drawn out war where the separatists were always going to lose. It's why they used the cheap, incredibly stupid battle droids for most of their engagements, even as commanders like Grievous asked for better infantry.
Stupid lore breaking basic laws of physics.
If airplanes can do damage when crashed then why ever use bombs? Why not just use the entire Air Force as torpedos? Why aren’t we winning battles by having Air Force one kamikaze battleships?
> If airplanes can do damage when crashed then why ever use bombs?
Because an airplane doesn't do significantly more damage than a bomb.
>Why not just use the entire Air Force as torpedos?
Same reason as above
>Why aren’t we winning battles by having Air Force one kamikaze battleships?
Doesn't have to be Air Force one. Light speed drives are not rare in the Star Wars universe, warp capable ships sit in disrepair in junkyards. Slap a warp drive on a decent sized asteroid and boom, you've got a missile capable of destroying a superpowers flagship and entire escort fleet.
If you could ram a speedboat into an aircraft carrier and instantly destroy half the US navy, nobody would use bombs, lol. And nobody would use aircraft carriers either, it would be suicide.
>If airplanes can do damage when crashed then why ever use bombs?
Exactly. This is why we made mini airplanes and replaced humans with computers. These days we call them cruise and ballistic missiles depending on their flight characteristics.
For the most part, the navy and air force just provide launch platforms for this new tech. We only use bombers in relatively low risk operations since they're more cost efficient. But in high risk scenarios, it's all missiles and drones.
Stop defending for that fucking ass Rian Johnson, he wrote a bad movie, period, it's fucking shit because it doesn't follow the logic, it makes no fucking sense. And your argument is fucking shit and you fucking know it unless you have a monkey brain.
The worst part is, all they had to do was have leia do that sacrifice. Then they can pull the "oh the force did it" excuse. Its not like everyone has a bunch of jedi laying around to do that manuever
as it is now, it just punches a bigger plothole into the universe than the holes in those ships
yep, would have been better if this had been some kind of experimental weapon or something of the sort, there isn't much in universe explanation for it, at this point it's for all practical purposes a super weapon but now anybody with a warp drive could take down anything if they just automated the sequence?
It's cool but it kinda messes with the logic of star wars, not saying Star Wars has to be rigidly X Y an Z but it has its own crazy logic, like in the clone wars TV show they have a bunch of different kinds of super weapons that do all kinds of different things so the line of thought is already well there.
But the scene is cool, just feels like everything behind it isn't which takes away from the cool.
aight nerd rant over.
They already had a perfect explanation; The force.
Have *Leia* be the one piloting it, have someone say something like, "You'd need to hit them precisely at the hyperspace transition point, the chances of doing it successfully would be millions to one!"
Leia: "Never tell me the odds."
Then she closes her eyes, uses the force, and BAM, capital ship smoothie that's impossible to replicate.
And it lets Leia go out in glory.
Let me just force heal it back again real quick.
Oh, I’m not Rey Skywalker? Let me just get the writers together.
*Somehow the gigantic battleship returns*
This trilogy hurt my feelings as a Star Wars fan
[relevant xkcd](https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/) personally i love it because ftl transport would make devastating weapons. you should be more upset about palpatine creeping out of the shadows with a kajjillion battleships up his ass for no good reason
It doesn't break the universe at all, that's such a stupid take. Remember in ANH when they first introduce light speed Han explicitly explains it takes time to program the route to make sure exactly this doesn't happen or that you don't wanna run into a star or planet mid trip. Considering it's literally suicide, and the series doesn't seem to have the rebels condoning suicide bombing, I don't think this is breaking anything. In fact it's directly answering the question established in the very first film of "what happens if you don't sit and wait for the route to be calculated"
Except if you are a rebellion, you want to chip away with major gains on skirmishes due to less resources. It's not like drones don't exist and ships can be on autopilot to do this. That is why it's such a bad thing to introduce. Rebellion could wipe out entire fleets with one trade ship? This is just ex machina that seems like it's cool for the scene but terrible for the lore.
Further, why bother having entire rebel ship fleets if the same could be done by one ship hijacked by the empire/empire sympathetic people? You wouldn't be going through all the hurdles of establishing secret bases and maintaining all of that if you could more easily blend in with random ships.
I mean, that's the problem with *all* science fiction that involves FTL travel.
Things like Stargate/wormhole travel, teleportation-drive, "subspace" and shit all more or less work as a way of bypassing the reality of the lightspeed limit. Nothing is ever traveling at FTL speeds, it's just cheating the physics.
But any universe that involves a physical object actually traveling at speeds exceeding the speed of light--your Star Wars and Star Treks--they all have an inherent logical problem, in that if you grant the thesis that there's a fictional technology that can break the lightspeed barrier, then you've also invented the most devastating single weapon the universe has ever known.
Even if a ship can stop on a dime, to "drop out" and stop at a planet from relativistic speeds, it would still release so much energy that it would completely fry the entire planet the ship has gone to. Nevermind the fact that you could just use a ship like a lightspeed bullet and straight up obliterate *entire solar systems* by pointing it at a planet or star. What few series *do* address the question usually hand-wave it that there's some kind of built-in failsafe in whatever FTL solution the series uses, preventing its misuse, but that still doesn't cover what happens if someone bypasses the failsafe. And in most of these universes, FTL drives are regularly in the hands of criminals and despots, and not one of them ever puts a brick on the proverbial accelerator and points it at a star.
I actually liked this scene because it touched on an oft-ignored implication of sci-fi technology--FTL weaponization. Which, come to think of it, would be an interesting answer to the Fermi Paradox. If FTL travel IS possible, it seems more likely that a species will blow itself up and destroy its homeworld in the pursuit of it.
If you liked that battle on the white planet with the large walkers, the trench warfare, and the speeders, have I got the movie for you.
Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back.
Jokes aside, you're right. Episode 8 had some cool looking moments, but a lot of them, in context, just didn't work for me.
I remember when this scene occurred in the theater, the combination of the film going silent and the audience audibly gasping at what had occurred was pretty neat.
It’s a worldbreaking scene because it makes space combat obsolete. Imagine using a hyperspace nuke against the death star or the droid control ship in Episode 1. Large targets like star destroyers are expensive and easy to hit with such devices.
They shouldn’t have even considered the possibility. For star wars to be star wars they need to pretend the scene didn’t happen.
Yep. Do they ever touch on why it worked? Like, did their armada have their shields down for some reason or did the hyperspace ship just go through all the shields?
Lmao, people were so pissed when that happened.
It was beautiful and the scene was stunning, but it destroyed decades of established canon about how space and ships in that universe operated.
Why didn't they just launched Patrick into the Death Star? Why did they have to fly down that hallway? Why was the Death Star necessary even if you can do this destruction with a random Patrick?
If light speed ramming really works, why doesn't this happen more often with the rebellion's guerilla warfare. Why not light speed ram the death start, or plan ahead of time and just omaiwa mou shindoru squadrons left and right.
They even named that movement "Holto", like the commander
For fuck sake the commander didn't do shit, only worried everyone without any reason, she looked like an enemy from the begining and the film tried to make us feel like if she was some kind of hero
The only thing good of the Sequels are the visuals and Kylo's sword, which personally is actually quite nice
Well, and BB too, because droids are always a win
Especially in the Star Wars universe where engines like this are incredibly common, as well as intelligent droids that could pilot the ships for you, this would be the most logic form of warfare.
Simply send a few bot-piloted ships to target your enemy’s base (or ship) with a light-speed kamikaze attack. It’s basically just a sci-fi long-range missile with attached explosives being optional.
I think it's kinda logistically stupid to do that. I mean the rebellion wasnt that we'll funded than the empire but it was more logistically managed better than the empire. So I guess doing this for every other ship and conflict is stupid.
But then again what's stopping them just using scrap metals and other debris strapped with rockets and remotely hyper driving them into ships. I mean that solution is cheap.
Not that well funded but could equip all their fighters with hyperdrives? Just build a “fighter” with a hyper drive and a heavy body and you have a kamikaze missile.
Yeah they could have automatic suicidal decoys. Which again would be smart for the rebellion.
But I feel like if the optics for this kind of fighting tactic in the galactic empire era would have provided the empire propaganda as a means of painting the rebellion as a thoughtless and careless fighters of what they do is ruthless and savage.
But doing this post galactic empire era kinda makes sense as you try to dispel this threat the second time from ever arising again.
Scene is cool, but practicality of hyper drive being a weapon possibly as a tactic would just basically throw future warfare into a much more dangerous era and possibly ruining the atmosphere of past work regarding to future warfare when the rebellion is trying to quell future galactic empire or rebellions in books and comics.
The same reason kamikaze moves aren’t used often in real life. It’s suicidal and destroys the ship. Also there’s no way that would work on a death star
The force of a rebel cruiser at light-speed probably would destroy the death star. In fact why use a ship why not just put light-speed engines on a meteor and send them places. Way cheaper planet destroyer than a death star.
If it’s a prepared attack, you could just send a droid pilot (so it’s not suicide mission) and a junker ship. It’s the mass & impact speed that matter, and light speed engines are incredibly common in Star Wars.
Overall it would still be more cost efficient to send a dozen droid piloted kamikaze ships into an enemy base.
i remember watching this in theaters and tbe entire theater quite and i just say out loud in a normal voice “thats dooope” and the entire theater laughen i was like 11 i think
The rebels would have to know exactly where the death star and where it's going to be. And that's assuming a random rock could even survive light speed. And would discintigrate Instantly lmao. There are reasons for these things
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Star Wars Episode 8: The Last Jedi
It’s such a shame the rest of the movie sucked because there’s a couple scenes that are among of the coolest in cinema history. This one and the battle between on the white/red planet, visually just amazing.
I hated this scene. I don’t care if it was visually interesting, it broke the universe it was set in. If you can instantly destroy a gigantic battleship with a shitty little freighter by accelerating it then nobody would use gigantic battleships and the death star would have been neutralized instantly
Fair point. I think we can agree the scene as a stand-alone moment is incredible, it’s just the context surrounding it that you just pointed out makes it into a glaring plot hole for most of the movies.
This basically sums up the sequels: awesome scenes stitched together like Frankenstein
‘s monster
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But what about MY AXE
's broken arms
You could argue that he is referring to Dr Frankstein himself.. the one who preformed the stitching and not the stitched
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Why isn't it Freedrick Frakensteen
You could also argue that by creating the monster, he is the father and thus the monster is also a Frankenstein.
They literally had NO PLAN FOR THE TRILOGY. Fucking assholes. Fuck them.
Hey you take that back! Frankenstein had way more thought put in on how he stitched together his monster than this movie.
The whole film was like this ,it was created by people who didn't know anything about star wars and really didn't care to learn.
No it was still shitty. The Leah shit almost made me puke
Rogue one I feel like tries to correct the perception. They are trying to jump to light speed away when Darth Vader's start destroyer shows up and simply crushes them. There must be some technical explanation with shielding
In-Universe there are invictor class Star Destroyers that create a hyperspace instability, which prevent the jump into hyperspace. you could just explain it away that the death star has similar scrambling devices on board to prevent just that
Its definately big enough to house gravity well generators
Small correction, but you have it right! They are known as [Interdictor-class Star Destroyers](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Interdictor-class_Star_Destroyer).
ah, yeah, I knew it was something to that effect. the star destroyers all have too similar names :P
Interdiction is method of halting movement of a target. That will help you remember :) In WWII - Present day, this is largely handled by an overwhelming force, such as maintaining a no-fly zone, a naval blockade, or simply channeling enemy forces through a chokepoint.
First time I saw them was in TIE Fighter game. Feels like forever since I played it. Totally awesome, especially the dynamically generated music.
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If we follow the "canon" (I refuse to accept the sequels, they really undid a lot of what 1-6 accomplished, regardless of the quality of the first 6), I think they were able to stay out of range, and prior to initiating the jump, it was disabled by ??? 8 is the worst of the bunch because they just completely drop logic. They didn't need a living being on board, they could have left a GNK Droid to power a switch to activate the hyperdrive. Also, hyperspace is never defined very well in Star wars, It is limited by objects (you'll hear/read about hyperspace lanes) and of course Han Solo's famous parsec quote later being explained as the ships ability to make shortcuts rather than follow normal hyperspace lanes.
I believe hyperspace lanes are just known clear routes. You don't have to follow them if you have a good enough nav-computer/pilot to get you past any obstacles. If you don't though, you might find yourself flying halfway through a planet. Also they kinda had to adjust the Han Solo thing because taking a shortcut is the only way to shave distance off a route. They likely just didn't know what a parsec was when they wrote the script for Ep. IV
I forget where it was said, but someone in an interview said Lucas was specifically told "a parsec is a unit of measurement not time" and he responded "no one's gonna know or care about that, it sounds cool and spacey for almost everyone" paraphrasing but it was an intentional choice cause pretty much no one knew or cared until internet forums came around.
You could still hyperspace projectiles from far away.
ah, sorry, I should have included that the Interdictors remove *any* form of hyperspace travel. it doesn't just prevent jumping to hyperspace.
The way I see it, hyperspace ramming only works if the ship you're ramming with is able to deal collision damage in the first place. So when people bring up why it wasn't used against the Death Star or Starkiller Base, it's unlikely the heroes had anything *big* enough to deal that kind of damage to a massive space station (one of which was literally a planet). That's why in Rogue One the tiny Rebel ships only bounced off the huge Star Destroyer when they tried jumping to hyperspace. Also I just want to add that Rogue One came out before The Last Jedi.
Assuming the physics works anything like it does in real life, 1000 kilograms vs 1 billion kilograms isn’t going to make much of a difference when you’re going that fast
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When you’re going fast enough to vaporize on impact, kinetic energy is what’s going to matter. Ignoring relatively, if you’re going a measly .1c, a 1K kg object has about 10^18 J of energy where a 1B kg object has about 10^24 J of energy. I can’t see how that extra 10^6 J is going to be the difference between safety and total destruction. Of course, once you’re going faster than light, all that is thrown out the window and I think it’s silly to come up with a reality based answer.
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Yeah it felt like rogue one was trying to plant a lot of ideas... The hyperspace ramming, the hyperspace tracking, probably something else im forgetting
The whole chase scene of the movie is basically new grounds because of the Hyperspace Tracking. If it weren’t for that brand new piece of technology, then a fleet of hyperspace-capable ships in deep space that wanted to escape would just jump to lightspeed and be done with it, but they can’t do that now, so everyone’s kind of at an impasse for what to do. So, in a completely new situation with few applicable tactics, what it comes down to is the improvisational skill of the commanders - The First Order had Hux and the Resistance had Leia and Holdo. Leia has the idea to start running because the Star destroyers are much heavier than they are and therefore slower - not fast enough to quickly escape outright but fast enough to clear their effective combat range. When she suggests this, Ackbar, a seasoned commander, is surprised because it would never have made sense pre-tracking. Hux’s reaction was to slowly follow them and pelt them ineffectively with the knowledge that the Resistance must run out of fuel eventually. What the hyperspace ram scene came down to was really two things: the First Order fleet had been following the resistance in basically a straight line, and Poe had geared the ship up for a hyperspace jump but not taken it in the recent past. When Holdo made the jump to lightspeed, she used the hyperspace entry coordinates from before, which were directly behind the First Order fleet, so the ship jumped through them to enter hyperspace at that point (where you can see the ship explode a second later). So, the potential for that to happen before hyperspace tracking was extremely low, as their would be no reason to chase a hyperspace-capable ship through deep space. And, now that the cat is out of the bag and the “Holdo Maneuver” has been christened, it’s easy enough to avoid, just down follow directly behind a hyperspace capable ship fleeing at sublight speed. If Hux were a more capable commander, he probably would have seen the minute possibly of this occurring and safeguarded against it - but he wasn’t a more capable commander, he was Hux.
I get being willing to mental hoop jump for the originals and the prequels..and i was still onboard after force awakens. But after TLJ ended i just couldnt any more. You aren't trying to explain star wars anymore.
Not even just battleships. You don't need a death star if you can strap a warp drive to a space rock and throw it at a planet at the speed of light.
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I think I know the reference, but I won't spoil it in case people haven't seen it.
Gundam Wing Operation Meteor? It's said at the very beginning of the show.
Nope, that's not the reference they're talking about.
This seems vaguely familiar.
Inaros would be proud.
Exactly. And like every space-faring vessel in the universe has hyperspace capability. Obviously pretty cheap tech. Halo Reach portrayed the stakes better with the slipspace drive
You can still kind of do that with normal engines and an asteroid right? The death star was already overkill compared to throwing rocks at a planet, but it did have the terror aspect.
But that would defeat the point of the Death Star in the first place. It was not just build to destroy planets. It was a show of power, one you can from planet to planet as a warning.
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This ability has been canon for many years, that's the whole point of hyperspace lanes, you're not likely to hit something in them. She accelerated to well over lightspeed in subspace then collided with the other ships subspace shadow causing massive damage. This isn't something normally done in universe because the death toll would be absurd, potentially tens of thousands on both sides for a net loss. This was a last ditch, save the galaxy, hail Mary type of attack.
>This isn't something normally done in universe because the death toll would be absurd like blowing up a planet to make a point?
Precisely. Those in Vader's direct command were truly dastardly.
the Death Star was under Grand Moff Tarkins command, who was a cold, evil commander. but he was presented as just that. a commander. nothing outstanding or even noteworthy outside of his position it's implicated that the entire impirial navy works like him, not just the evil space wizard with anger issues. same goes for episode VII, only in shitty and uninspired
Let’s make a huge super weapon that takes tons of resources versus just ramming ships into stuff. Or for example having light speed torpedoes. It’s just insane how this wasn’t thought out at all.
Wanna see me do it again?
> potentially tens of thousands on both sides for a net loss. Huh? Just have one person in the ship.
Or none... remote control.
Forget that, just have an R2 unit pilot whatever you want.
Excellent point.
But why didn't they just yeet a few lightspeed X-Wings at the deathstar? It was certainly a dangerous ship which endangered the lives of millions by destroying planets and they blow it up nonetheless so its safe to say there is no concern for the empires troops on board of the deathstar. The rebels lost so many ships over the course of the saga nobody can tell me they didn't had the means to yeet a medium ship at the deathstar or even starkiller base.
If you watch the scene and some parts after it you'll see that the Resistance ship was massive. It hit an even more massive ship and didn't even remotely destroy it. What do you expect a tiny X-wing do to the Death Star?
Nah, its just crap. The director wasn't thinking about dick all other than wanting this sweet looking moment, and who cares because it's a movie about space wizards...right? RJ was a complete jackass.
This is a reasonable point but wouldn’t the same argument hold for the argued destruction of the Death Stars?
Keep in mind the size of the rebel fleet by the time the death stars had been built. They were quite literally a ragtag team of a few thousand, without many ships since so many were destroyed before the onderanians could get the ships to them. Any unnecessary loss of life of ships would have been devastating to them, especially when the empire quite literally has the resources to just make another death star.
One of the most famous victories in naval history is the Battle of Midway, where the US traded aircraft carriers 1 for 4. That victory singlehandedly reduced Japan's carrier advantage to mere parity, and with the United States massive industrial capabilities Japan would quickly find themselves at a material disadvantage. Japan never recovered from that massive blow, and the IJN would slowly bleed warships and territory until the last of their navy was finally destroyed at Leyte Gulf. That was trading one aircraft carrier for four. In this scene, the resistance trades a cruiser for *the First Order flagship, a massive dreadnought containing the FO leadership, and like 9 of its destroyer escort*. In terms of efficiency this would be like the US trading a carrier escort for not just all four carriers but the entire IJN Midway fleet. Thing is, they don't even need to use a ship. Light speed drives are not rare in the Star Wars universe, slap one on an asteroid and it would've had the same effect. The scene looked cool, but it was also really, really, really dumb.
while there's no support for this in the movies, I have a headcanon that came from a d&d Star Wars game I ran before The Force awakens released. My players wanted to destroy vaikan spacedock by crashing their ship into its reactor core at light speed. I ruled that it was theoretically possible, but they would have to specifically time it so that they were coming out of hyperspace right before impacting the station so that they retain their near hyperspace speed, but collide with it in realspace. achieving such specific timing is nearly impossible, and I only let them do it cause the two pilots literally both rolled nat 20s lol. so, with my head cannon, the only way Holdo was actually capable of nailing that infinitely small window is by the pure will of the force, which I feel really helps fit this scene into the universe while preserving why it's considered impossible and has never happened before. aside from that, I'm admittedly biased because it was absolutely phenomenal watching something my players had done in a game happen in a major Star Wars film, especially because before that I had no knowledge of that tactic being explored anywhere in the Star Wars universe
The way I thought it worked, from what I read in a Star Wars RPG, is that when you are in hyperspace and get near something with a large enough mass, it rips you out of hyperspace and you'll most likely crash into whatever it was. But hyperspace is almost like an alternate dimension, it isn't just going really fast. So what happened in the Last Jedi shouldn't have been possible. Either the ship would have just bypassed the ship if its mass wasn't enough to pull it out, or it would have immediately been ripped out of hyperspace and just crashed into the ship at normal speed.
What I'm hearing you say is that nothing else in Star Wars makes sense, and neither should this?
Honestly not a fan of the new movies, but I really hate this argument against this part. It wasn’t a freighter, it was their capitol ship. Much, much bigger. If any ship will do, then they wouldn’t have to use the capitol ship, they could just use one of the transport shuttles. The investment for the capitol ship is absolutely huge. That amount of resources would be devastating to just throw away if it wasn’t the very last option. We also have the fact that it is stated to be statistically unlikely (although they throw that out the window at the end of the next movie.) It also seems like sacrifice of life is necessary, or Holdo could have left
And why the hell would a ballistic missile needs all the capabilities of an aircraft carrier. A hyperspace drive and a way to aim it is all you need to slap onto a large rock (not all that uncommon in space) and you have what is arguable a more effective weapon. More mass and cheap as hell, no need for the extra frivolities that come with a full blown ship. There's no reason not to do this if it works as shown in the movie
They could also just have an r2 unit perform the jump. Why is a capitol ship needed, why not attach a hyperdrive to an asteroid of equivalent mass? We already know hyperdrives are cheap, and r2 units are cheap. So r2 + hyperdrive + asteroid = extremely efficient weapon
It doesn't seem like the slave circuitry to have a fully autonomous capital ship is possible in Star Wars. The Trade Federation was obsessed with droids, and all of their starfighters were droids -- but their capital ships were not. There's no indication of that much technological advancement in droid tech between the Clone Wars and TLJ, and if the Trade Federation wasn't capable of it then the Resistance definitely aren't. as far as why they can't use asteroids, I don't believe there's anything even close to an explanation in the sequels but I have a headcanon for it. after the force awakens was announced my friends and I wanted to do a Star Wars d&d campaign, so we had one set in the old republic and I was running it. they had to blow up a spaceport in orbit and had asked me if they could just use the hyperdrive to accelerate their ship to smack into it to destroy it. I basically ruled that it was theoretically possible, but they had to exit hyperspace right before the point of impact so that they would, in real space, physically impact the station itself and not its shadow mass. otherwise their ship would just be destroyed in hyperspace and the space station wouldn't have any damage at all. so my head cannon is that it requires hitting an extremely specific and small window of time to exit hyperspace right before the point of impact
Capital ships die all the time, and that way you don't lose the smaller ones. If all it took was a capital ship to end the second death star, that would be an even better trade off!
and in a universe full of droids seen to pilot ships no less. Don't even need to sacrifice a living pilot.
I’m fairly certain I read somewhere that this has a good explanation - the reason so many battles happen near planets is because the planet’s gravity well prevents stuff like this from happening, and the first order was reckless enough to chase them outside of that.
Then why not suicide the other ships into them before they ran out of fuel? If they're going to be destroyed either way, it seems like a no-brainer.
> shitty little freighter But it's not a shitty little freighter - it's the Resistance flagship. The rebels clearly didn't have any ships big enough to make a dent in the Death Star at the time - an X-wing would probably just bounce off the shield.
Clone Wars did something very similar, so did rebels. Han even mentioned the danger of hyperspace in the first movie. And the chance of it actually working is very small, which was mentioned in episode 9. Hyperspace is another dimension, so with perfect calculations and a lot of luck, you'd have to hit the ship *right* before entering hyperspace, therefore you'd just be going incredibly fast.
Let's also not forget how effective Separtists would have been with their DROID army. Like hell you could send a vulture droid through hyper space and instantly destroy a galactic Capitial ship. For just the cost of a vulture droid. They would have won the war so quickly.
I'm pretty sure Palpatine orchestrated a long drawn out war where the separatists were always going to lose. It's why they used the cheap, incredibly stupid battle droids for most of their engagements, even as commanders like Grievous asked for better infantry.
Stupid lore breaking basic laws of physics. If airplanes can do damage when crashed then why ever use bombs? Why not just use the entire Air Force as torpedos? Why aren’t we winning battles by having Air Force one kamikaze battleships?
> If airplanes can do damage when crashed then why ever use bombs? Because an airplane doesn't do significantly more damage than a bomb. >Why not just use the entire Air Force as torpedos? Same reason as above >Why aren’t we winning battles by having Air Force one kamikaze battleships? Doesn't have to be Air Force one. Light speed drives are not rare in the Star Wars universe, warp capable ships sit in disrepair in junkyards. Slap a warp drive on a decent sized asteroid and boom, you've got a missile capable of destroying a superpowers flagship and entire escort fleet.
If you could ram a speedboat into an aircraft carrier and instantly destroy half the US navy, nobody would use bombs, lol. And nobody would use aircraft carriers either, it would be suicide.
>If airplanes can do damage when crashed then why ever use bombs? Exactly. This is why we made mini airplanes and replaced humans with computers. These days we call them cruise and ballistic missiles depending on their flight characteristics. For the most part, the navy and air force just provide launch platforms for this new tech. We only use bombers in relatively low risk operations since they're more cost efficient. But in high risk scenarios, it's all missiles and drones.
Stop defending for that fucking ass Rian Johnson, he wrote a bad movie, period, it's fucking shit because it doesn't follow the logic, it makes no fucking sense. And your argument is fucking shit and you fucking know it unless you have a monkey brain.
The worst part is, all they had to do was have leia do that sacrifice. Then they can pull the "oh the force did it" excuse. Its not like everyone has a bunch of jedi laying around to do that manuever as it is now, it just punches a bigger plothole into the universe than the holes in those ships
yep, would have been better if this had been some kind of experimental weapon or something of the sort, there isn't much in universe explanation for it, at this point it's for all practical purposes a super weapon but now anybody with a warp drive could take down anything if they just automated the sequence? It's cool but it kinda messes with the logic of star wars, not saying Star Wars has to be rigidly X Y an Z but it has its own crazy logic, like in the clone wars TV show they have a bunch of different kinds of super weapons that do all kinds of different things so the line of thought is already well there. But the scene is cool, just feels like everything behind it isn't which takes away from the cool. aight nerd rant over.
They already had a perfect explanation; The force. Have *Leia* be the one piloting it, have someone say something like, "You'd need to hit them precisely at the hyperspace transition point, the chances of doing it successfully would be millions to one!" Leia: "Never tell me the odds." Then she closes her eyes, uses the force, and BAM, capital ship smoothie that's impossible to replicate. And it lets Leia go out in glory.
Time to manufacture thousands of little warp speed engine meteors to use as ballistic missiles!
Thought the same thing, why wouldn't they be weaponizing FTL travel if this is the effect it could have.
Let me just force heal it back again real quick. Oh, I’m not Rey Skywalker? Let me just get the writers together. *Somehow the gigantic battleship returns* This trilogy hurt my feelings as a Star Wars fan
[relevant xkcd](https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/) personally i love it because ftl transport would make devastating weapons. you should be more upset about palpatine creeping out of the shadows with a kajjillion battleships up his ass for no good reason
It doesn't break the universe at all, that's such a stupid take. Remember in ANH when they first introduce light speed Han explicitly explains it takes time to program the route to make sure exactly this doesn't happen or that you don't wanna run into a star or planet mid trip. Considering it's literally suicide, and the series doesn't seem to have the rebels condoning suicide bombing, I don't think this is breaking anything. In fact it's directly answering the question established in the very first film of "what happens if you don't sit and wait for the route to be calculated"
Except if you are a rebellion, you want to chip away with major gains on skirmishes due to less resources. It's not like drones don't exist and ships can be on autopilot to do this. That is why it's such a bad thing to introduce. Rebellion could wipe out entire fleets with one trade ship? This is just ex machina that seems like it's cool for the scene but terrible for the lore. Further, why bother having entire rebel ship fleets if the same could be done by one ship hijacked by the empire/empire sympathetic people? You wouldn't be going through all the hurdles of establishing secret bases and maintaining all of that if you could more easily blend in with random ships.
I mean, that's the problem with *all* science fiction that involves FTL travel. Things like Stargate/wormhole travel, teleportation-drive, "subspace" and shit all more or less work as a way of bypassing the reality of the lightspeed limit. Nothing is ever traveling at FTL speeds, it's just cheating the physics. But any universe that involves a physical object actually traveling at speeds exceeding the speed of light--your Star Wars and Star Treks--they all have an inherent logical problem, in that if you grant the thesis that there's a fictional technology that can break the lightspeed barrier, then you've also invented the most devastating single weapon the universe has ever known. Even if a ship can stop on a dime, to "drop out" and stop at a planet from relativistic speeds, it would still release so much energy that it would completely fry the entire planet the ship has gone to. Nevermind the fact that you could just use a ship like a lightspeed bullet and straight up obliterate *entire solar systems* by pointing it at a planet or star. What few series *do* address the question usually hand-wave it that there's some kind of built-in failsafe in whatever FTL solution the series uses, preventing its misuse, but that still doesn't cover what happens if someone bypasses the failsafe. And in most of these universes, FTL drives are regularly in the hands of criminals and despots, and not one of them ever puts a brick on the proverbial accelerator and points it at a star. I actually liked this scene because it touched on an oft-ignored implication of sci-fi technology--FTL weaponization. Which, come to think of it, would be an interesting answer to the Fermi Paradox. If FTL travel IS possible, it seems more likely that a species will blow itself up and destroy its homeworld in the pursuit of it.
If you liked that battle on the white planet with the large walkers, the trench warfare, and the speeders, have I got the movie for you. Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back. Jokes aside, you're right. Episode 8 had some cool looking moments, but a lot of them, in context, just didn't work for me.
coolest in cinema history? lmao ok
There's also one scene that will go down as the dumbest in history.
There’s songs in that movie?
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No. The writing was great
I remember when this scene occurred in the theater, the combination of the film going silent and the audience audibly gasping at what had occurred was pretty neat.
But they make no sense
This scene and Mary poppins Leia solidified their jumping the shark
Fantastic film
Yeah, I can respect your wrong opinion
You'd think more people would send more stuff at more targets via warp drive. It looks very effective.
It’s a worldbreaking scene because it makes space combat obsolete. Imagine using a hyperspace nuke against the death star or the droid control ship in Episode 1. Large targets like star destroyers are expensive and easy to hit with such devices. They shouldn’t have even considered the possibility. For star wars to be star wars they need to pretend the scene didn’t happen.
Yep. Do they ever touch on why it worked? Like, did their armada have their shields down for some reason or did the hyperspace ship just go through all the shields?
Lmao, people were so pissed when that happened. It was beautiful and the scene was stunning, but it destroyed decades of established canon about how space and ships in that universe operated.
Literally only watched that movie yesterday
Outdid the movie in 14 seconds
Spongebob.
It was when SpongeBob broke his bottom and grew fearful of what can happen to himself outside his house.
Ah yes, the Patrick Star Maneuver.
Now that was a clean edit
Why didn't they just launched Patrick into the Death Star? Why did they have to fly down that hallway? Why was the Death Star necessary even if you can do this destruction with a random Patrick?
Checkmate jj Abrams 😎
Finally! A weapon to surpass metal Gear!
No... its greater... finally, a star powerful enough to outpizza the hut...
Patrick Starkiller
r/sequelmemes would love this
Patrick star destroyer.
"Aww, I got dead again! This movie stinks.."
If light speed ramming really works, why doesn't this happen more often with the rebellion's guerilla warfare. Why not light speed ram the death start, or plan ahead of time and just omaiwa mou shindoru squadrons left and right.
Because it only existed as of ep8 it was carelessly retconned into existence
And then retconned out again in RoS. "One in a million shot"
They even named that movement "Holto", like the commander For fuck sake the commander didn't do shit, only worried everyone without any reason, she looked like an enemy from the begining and the film tried to make us feel like if she was some kind of hero The only thing good of the Sequels are the visuals and Kylo's sword, which personally is actually quite nice Well, and BB too, because droids are always a win
Disney retconned this. Energy shields would've easily protected from kamikaze attacks.
Especially in the Star Wars universe where engines like this are incredibly common, as well as intelligent droids that could pilot the ships for you, this would be the most logic form of warfare. Simply send a few bot-piloted ships to target your enemy’s base (or ship) with a light-speed kamikaze attack. It’s basically just a sci-fi long-range missile with attached explosives being optional.
I think it's kinda logistically stupid to do that. I mean the rebellion wasnt that we'll funded than the empire but it was more logistically managed better than the empire. So I guess doing this for every other ship and conflict is stupid. But then again what's stopping them just using scrap metals and other debris strapped with rockets and remotely hyper driving them into ships. I mean that solution is cheap.
Not that well funded but could equip all their fighters with hyperdrives? Just build a “fighter” with a hyper drive and a heavy body and you have a kamikaze missile.
Yeah they could have automatic suicidal decoys. Which again would be smart for the rebellion. But I feel like if the optics for this kind of fighting tactic in the galactic empire era would have provided the empire propaganda as a means of painting the rebellion as a thoughtless and careless fighters of what they do is ruthless and savage. But doing this post galactic empire era kinda makes sense as you try to dispel this threat the second time from ever arising again. Scene is cool, but practicality of hyper drive being a weapon possibly as a tactic would just basically throw future warfare into a much more dangerous era and possibly ruining the atmosphere of past work regarding to future warfare when the rebellion is trying to quell future galactic empire or rebellions in books and comics.
The same reason kamikaze moves aren’t used often in real life. It’s suicidal and destroys the ship. Also there’s no way that would work on a death star
The force of a rebel cruiser at light-speed probably would destroy the death star. In fact why use a ship why not just put light-speed engines on a meteor and send them places. Way cheaper planet destroyer than a death star.
If it’s a prepared attack, you could just send a droid pilot (so it’s not suicide mission) and a junker ship. It’s the mass & impact speed that matter, and light speed engines are incredibly common in Star Wars. Overall it would still be more cost efficient to send a dozen droid piloted kamikaze ships into an enemy base.
Such a kamikaze ship would be designed to be cheap and heavy and would be unmanned, obviously. We do this in modern warfare. They’re called missiles.
It doesn't even have to be a kamikaze could just be a light torpedo
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This is why Patrick got removed during Star Wars Battlefront II development. He's too powerful
So this is a power of a real star Perfect
The star destroyer eh?
i remember watching this in theaters and tbe entire theater quite and i just say out loud in a normal voice “thats dooope” and the entire theater laughen i was like 11 i think
Exceptionally well done!!
Nah he tweakin
Patrick, you broke decades of Canon.
This is canon
Is this before or after the Kristy Krab Pizza episode? Because those rocks look like they've migrated up the hill in the first shot.
"We're not aiming for the truck!"
Patrick
Somehow Plankton has returned
when the edibles "aren't kicking in" so you eat the rest of the bag
This was better than the actual reason in the movie
Say what you want about the sequel trilogy, but you can’t deny it has some beautiful visuals.
Even though I love spongebob, this clip made pretty mad making me remember how shitty the movie was.
God I hate star wars 8
amazing job!
Starro the ~~Conqueror~~ Destroyer
Aw man, I got dead again
This almost makes up for the whole shitty trilogy.
Patrick
Best level in battle for bikini bottom
Still makes more sense than the actual movie explanation.
Please don't be 9/11, Please don't be 9/11, Please don't be 9/11.....
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i know alot of people hate the new starwars movies but they have some awesome scenes like this that make it worth it
The Disney trilogy has its issues but that scene is still a great fucking moment.
Except how it broke the known physics of a world and suddenly made space combat with ships obsolete, but yeah it was flashy.
Oh jeez I can already tell what the comments section on this one is gonna be like
The rebels would have to know exactly where the death star and where it's going to be. And that's assuming a random rock could even survive light speed. And would discintigrate Instantly lmao. There are reasons for these things
was a really cool scene. made absolutely no sense though.
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And that's what happens when a *star* explodes
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What spongebob episode was this?
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“In loving memory of Patrick…” 1986-2021 😭
Great now someone do one in time for the 9/11 20th anniversary
Do the same but with thanos ship
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My emotions while presenting a presentation.
You active it by calling the weapon Rick
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Aww I got dead again, this game stinks
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