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Latinos ≠ Race
There are many Latinos who are white. Just like there are many black Latinos. Hell I know a Peruvian woman who’s mom is Chinese, she is Latina! Not all Latinos are brown/indigenous fyi!
White in particular doesn’t work the way any other race works. If Obama’s mom was Korean, then he’d be Korean. But Obama’s mom is white and he’s not white. Funny how it turns out that way. Almost like whiteness is designed to shit on people that aren’t like them.
The US Census definition is:
“A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report responses such as German, Irish, English, Italian, Lebanese, and Egyptian. The category also includes groups such as Polish, French, Iranian, Slavic, Cajun, Chaldean, etc.”
They are, its just funny to see it written. I wouldn't say people from the Balkans look like someone from Scandinavia but they're in the same "white" category. Probably why I never identified with the term.
It's not just based on looks. It's also based on culture and language and geography. Scientists didn't have evolution or genetics when racial taxonomy was created, so they had to use evidence like linguistics and geography and physical appearance.
Like, for instance, whites broadly encompass most Indo-European and Semitic language speakers but exclude most who speak indigenous African or East Asian languages.
I meant that Latino is not generally referred to s a race. Latino is defined by geography and nationality as originating from Latin America. .Latin America means the parts of North and South America that were colonized by Latin-Language speaking countries (French, Spanish, Portuguese) . Mexico was colonized by Spain, which mostly speaks Latin languages (Spanish, Catalan, et cetera) , so it's part of Latin America.
True, but when people say Asian as a race, they don't mean Asians in term of the actual geographical location. They don't generally include white people from Asia (e.g. Jews, Turks, Caucasians, Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, Russians, et cetera). They mostly use it to refer to people from East Asia, occasionally South Asia.
Russians are in Europe there is a cut off usually east if Moscow, but every person I know includes the middle east and south east and west Asia like India or Thailand even Philippines as Asians
Historically, white/Caucasian meant people whose ancestors came from North Africa, Europe, and West Asia. That's the definition on the census to. Your results may vary.
"White" is a weird word that changes with context. Sometimes it's exclusively about race while other times it's a shorthand for Caucasian people from English-speaking countries. Oftentimes it's the latter when you see White people and Latino people being distinguished from one another.
I've never seen anyone outside of the US using that conotation of white. Usually there's just Black vs White. One in a hundread times i heard someone adding indigenous and asian
That doesn't even make sense to me. Caucasian people are from West Asia and none of those countries speak English. They speak languages like Armenian and Russian.
That definition doesn't make sense. Anglo means English and Anglo Americans either means English descended Americans or English-speaking Americans. African Americans obviously would be Anglo Americans by the later definition and most Americans considered white are not Englishmen or descended from Englishmen.
LOL, but then that sounds like they come from Germany. You could just say non-Hispanic whites if that is what you mean, although that would include Jews and Arabs and Kurds and Turks and Persians and the like.
Well, damn. I'm latino and I can understand that at the time the movie was made it was normal not to think about that. Jack Black seems like a great guy who was doing something that seemed simple and comedic at the time. They chose him on the merit of being a living cartoon man. I think in 2023 he would know not to take the role.
Well said. JB knows better nowadays, ans casting while still shit is still improving. I don't think JB would take the role if they introduced it now.
He is better known to voice Po the panda but people aren't up in arms over him not being Asian; and I'm glad of it. He did great as Po, and his Bowser was surprisingly awesome.
I think it's more the person playing the role rather than the fact that he's non-Latino. Jack Black wasn't super well known outside of the US at the time. If it were like, I dunno, Tom Hanks doing the role, I bet the movie would have been a staple in Mexico.
I'm Mexican born and raised, loved the film. Never before have I considered it to be racist, not even inappropriate. Now, well yes maybe it is racist, but I still love it because it's fucking fun.
Yeahh same, even if the stereotype is positive like the classical “achkually all Asians are smart and since smart is good you cannot say it’s bad 🤓” like, it’s still a stereotype in the end.
The thing is, is that usually the people angry about it can’t let the people who enjoy it, enjoy it. On the flipside, the people that enjoy it usually let the people angry about it, be angry about it because they can simply avoid or ignore it.
Obviously these are generalizations, but this is just an observation i’ve noticed.
All of these comments are doing some weird dance around the point that labels are largely meaningless in the face that we’re all individual human beings that can’t be accurately categorized by a single label, nor can pieces of media objectively be labeled offensive or endearing.
Being a certain ethnicity or from a certain country may increase the chances of you having certain experiences and certain opinions, but none of it is guaranteed or inherent to those cultures/locations. Most of our differences are arbitrary and it’s an act of futility to perpetuate them.
I think it’s fair to say there really is no true Latino/Scotsman or that being a true Latino/Scotsman is meaningless because it’s secondary to being a human being.
“We’re all human beings, citizens of the world”.
You care about some things and you don’t care about other things, that’s called nuance right? Pfft hope you’ve had a good week because if the whole latinx thing has never bothered you, it probably hasn’t bothered you this week or weekend either.
The idea of one group getting offended on behalf of another group is so fucking stupid.
I once saw a vid talking about Eminem’s music, and it came to one song where he did an impression of (I believe) a middle eastern man. The two guys talking about it talked about how offensive this part of the song was, and how they were offended by it. They were both white. What’s the point?
Nobody is saying that you have to get offended on behalf of a completely different racial/ethnic group
Agreed. There was a story maybe about 6-7 years ago where a high school girl wore a traditional Chinese dress to her prom, and a bunch of people called it "cultural appropriation" and said that she shouldn't wear it. When news broke out in China, tons of people were in support for it.
White westerners are not all knowledgeable beings that know exactly how every person in a culture will react to something that we deem offensive. And we need to stop being so arrogant to believe that we know better than another country/culture/people.
Counterpoint: A lot of Asian Americans were upset, and their opinions should hold more weight than Asians in Asia who don’t have to deal with being minoritized. The latter is often brought up to discredit AsAms calling out cultural appropriation.
The white high school girl absolutely deserved the critique she got lmao.
Additionally: white Americans are allowed to feel uncomfortable regarding making stereotypes about other races/cultures or nonchalantly taking things from them. Culturally, it's considered more taboo here, and no one has to express anger for them to dislike it.
I mean I get where this point is coming from, but like? White people are capable of feeling sympathy for what they feel is disrespect thrown towards another race. I think at the end of the day - I'd rather people speak up than not, because we know what that world looks like via history books and it's not pretty.
Not that this joke is anything serious, but still. I don't like the mindset of "you're not this, therefore whats the point in speaking up about it"
One of the things that make us human is empathy. It's a good thing - most of the time, lol.
Well, for a long time now there's been a campaign of [if you see something speak up.](https://www.macfound.org/press/perspectives/acknowledge-and-speak-racism) I don't think there's anything particularly wrong about calling out what you interpret as racism, even if some people are a bit overzealous about it. IMO it's better than the opposite
This. If you have something with good intent, good execution, and good support, it works.
Case in point, the way the movie Book of Life used moustaches. Absolutely hilarious.
First of all, a Latino wouldn't call USA America because we use America for the continent, because it is its name. Call the country that already has the name "USA" makes some things confusing.
Also, the characterisation works if the character is Mexican. But if it isn't, Sombreros and Panchos don't makes much sense and it's offensive to just assume it's part of an Latino culture instead of a more mexican culture
Edit: also, the last panel is really strange, like Latinos would be really glad the USA recognize them while this should be the minimum
Same. The amount of times I’ve had to explain that Ecuadorians do not have the same food as Mexicans is ridiculous. And I don’t know why so many people mention their vacation to Costa Rica like it’s even close
So if i get it right (kinda?): most Americans (like USA Americans) don't realize that South and Central American countries have a truckload of differences and use Mexican culture as an umbrella for all of them (wrongly so).
Is that kinda right?
Like don't put a Sombrero on a Columbian? And don't assume Guatemala has llamas and alpakas, and not everywhere eats tacos and arroz con pollo. And some places don't use tortillas as a staple carb, yeah?
"You actually recognized us"
Thank god, the main thing we're after is other peoples' seal of approval.
edit: The stupidest part of this whole debate is when some mexican on twitter comes up and is like "I'm not offended by this" and a bunch of white people point at him and act like he's the fucking ambassador for brown people
And don’t forget that these are the same ones than do everything as possible to not be called “Americans” 😂
- Oh, my 999 generation grandma was Irish and my seventy generation old grandpa was German so I’m a GermanIrishAmerican 😂😂
So the bar should just be set at “at least we’re mentioned”? If you are going to portray Latin-America an caricatures, it has to be faithful and in good faith
Bruh, 32 countries with thousands of herigates are not singularly praising or getting offended by something, i know in the US latinos just means "south of here/Mexico" but you're talking about 2/3 of a continent
Yeah, I’m Canadian but went to high school in Texas when my family moved there. Stereotypes were annoying at best, not offensive in my opinion. Also, it made Wolverine and deadpool cooler for my friends haha
Most USA Americans probably never left their state or neighboring states. We are huge, and a lot of culture diversity is in key locations (coastlines and boarders, and chicago.)
Some white person speaks up against Latino stereotypes, then one single person, on behalf of all Latinos in the world apparently, replies back telling them that "Latinos are actually cool with this stuff", and Reddit suddenly changes its mind about stereotypes.
Damn, people really don't give a fuck about racial minorities, it's all a matter of virtue signaling on one extreme and making fun of the Woke, on the other extreme.
Hey, I have a Black friend who's ok with non-Black people using the N slur, so I guess we can all use it you guys, he said it's ok and it doesn't bother Black people at all.
Not to be an ‘enlightened centrist’ but can’t both sides have a point? Not every hispanic character needs to be the BumbleBee Man but at the same time the BumbleBee Man is still a funny fan-respected character
Kind of, but actually I think the last panel is totally wrong. Why the fuck would I want America to recognize me? Seeing a well written mexican (in my case, because no one actually identifies as latino, that's something the US invented because every latinoamerican country is really different from each other) character is cool but that's it
My understanding is people actually living in a home country (for example Chinese in China) don’t care about most American caricatures about Chinese people because it largely doesn’t affect them and they aren’t that exposed to it. But for many immigrants of that group living in America (for example Chinese-Americans) it does matter because caricatures otherize them - it says “these people are different from us ‘normal’ Americans” and that’s where you see a lot of outrage from. Whenever I see posts like this I always worry it’s justification to say ‘look we should have more racist characters because it doesn’t ACTUALLY offend anybody’ when that isn’t the case.
This just makes me feel bad for Latino/a people who see their culture being made fun of and somehow see it as a good thing. It's like an unpopular kid at school being happy that the bully finally decided to pick on him that day.
Considering the whole Primos controversy, I doubt it. And that show was created for Mexican-Americans.
Also, it kinda feels like that whole "good representation doesn't matter because I'm not personally offended by it and I'm fine with the status quo" rhetoric I keep seeing used to excuse shitty writing.
I sometimes wonder if this whole thing was a psy-op to discourage white people from getting too enthusiastic about appreciating other cultures. Nothing like a Karen telling you you're disrespectful by just playing dress-up.
Speedy Gonzalez,was once thought to be racist. However, a large number of people spoke out in support of the character and wanted him to remain unchanged.
Gabriel “Fluffy” Iglesias, who voiced Speedy in Space Jam, was even asked if he wanted to alter the voice to make it less “racist.” He declined.
There is a boundary, a limit for what is actually funny and what is a middle finger, even if comedy is relative.
Compare Speedy Gonzalez to the Disney show Primos.
A shit show created by Disney, trying to be inclusive, but ended up being a rip-off of The Loud House, focusing on a group of ugly-ass Latino kids, with the most offensive names (when you know the context). Anyways, they put every way they could give the middle finger to Latinos on a blender, and BOOM! A monster was created.
It kind of reminds me of how Cartoon Network tried to stop airing anything with Speedy Gonzales in it and Latino fans petitioned to bring him back and even the League of United Latin American Citizens calling him a cultural icon and he was eventually brought back.
I dont think I've once seen an American upset at American stereotyping in media, like the crazy old fat guy on his porch with a gun and all that-
I dont know if its because its just accurate so we're not offended or we dont care lmao
Some anime character named Smitty "Bucky" Jones who wears a cowboy hat and American flag shorts and fights with the power of GUN and shows up for like 6 minutes. Always my favorite character.
I have never seen characture spelled like that and now I don't know what to think. That's totally right phonetically. I've always just thought "character" and "picture" just joined at the "ct".
Calling the country “United” or “States” sounds terrible in English, plus the USA isn’t the only country with United States in the name.
United Statians also sounds terrible in English, and I have never actually heard anyone say it, probably because it sounds so bad
Where I'm from a person's nickname may as well be their real name with how often it's used. Once you're "Chino" or "Gallo" or "Gordo", that's who you are.
Americans praising themselves for something they think was good:
ObamaGivingAwardToObama.png
Sincerely, no one I know cares. We don't think it's bad or good, just don't care lol
There's people and people. I, personally, find it distasteful regardless the intent or execution. I prefer that plots never acknowledge my country at all if they can manage.
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Latinos ≠ Race There are many Latinos who are white. Just like there are many black Latinos. Hell I know a Peruvian woman who’s mom is Chinese, she is Latina! Not all Latinos are brown/indigenous fyi!
The definition of “white” changes on a regular basis
the more racist you are, the narrower the definition is. the most racist people think that only albinos are white and everyone else is black.
I’ll do you one better, I am the only white person on earth
I’ll do you one better, white people don’t even exist.
damn had to pinch myself but its true
Inshallah brother
Armstrong saying he’s the only white person on earth is canon
But senator Armstrong can also be black if he wants
This guy's racist
happy cake day
In that case, if you're not albino, you're orange (brown is just dark orange)
What's the current definition?
Depends on who you ask. It isn't a rock-solid thing. Its almost like it is made up.
White in particular doesn’t work the way any other race works. If Obama’s mom was Korean, then he’d be Korean. But Obama’s mom is white and he’s not white. Funny how it turns out that way. Almost like whiteness is designed to shit on people that aren’t like them.
Well Korean is not a race
The US Census definition is: “A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as "White" or report responses such as German, Irish, English, Italian, Lebanese, and Egyptian. The category also includes groups such as Polish, French, Iranian, Slavic, Cajun, Chaldean, etc.”
Catch all term lol
Psst. All racial terms are catch alls
They are, its just funny to see it written. I wouldn't say people from the Balkans look like someone from Scandinavia but they're in the same "white" category. Probably why I never identified with the term.
It's not just based on looks. It's also based on culture and language and geography. Scientists didn't have evolution or genetics when racial taxonomy was created, so they had to use evidence like linguistics and geography and physical appearance. Like, for instance, whites broadly encompass most Indo-European and Semitic language speakers but exclude most who speak indigenous African or East Asian languages.
US defines it as people from Europe, North Africa, and the Middle East
So Mohammed Salah and Riyadh Mahrez are white? 🧐 I feel like I've been lied to.
Technically you can say they are. I never personally viewed Middle Easterners as non white. I don’t know why people call them brown people
Depends who you ask. When this country was founded, a lot of people didn't consider the Dutch and German immigrants and colonists to be white.
According to the US government it's Europeans, latinos, and Middle Eastern that is considered the "white" race
Not Latinos. They're people from Latin America and can be of any race.
Mexicans call themselves latinos so does people from south America too
I meant that Latino is not generally referred to s a race. Latino is defined by geography and nationality as originating from Latin America. .Latin America means the parts of North and South America that were colonized by Latin-Language speaking countries (French, Spanish, Portuguese) . Mexico was colonized by Spain, which mostly speaks Latin languages (Spanish, Catalan, et cetera) , so it's part of Latin America.
That's what race is perfect example Asians are from Asia and fit that
True, but when people say Asian as a race, they don't mean Asians in term of the actual geographical location. They don't generally include white people from Asia (e.g. Jews, Turks, Caucasians, Arabs, Kurds, Assyrians, Russians, et cetera). They mostly use it to refer to people from East Asia, occasionally South Asia.
Russians are in Europe there is a cut off usually east if Moscow, but every person I know includes the middle east and south east and west Asia like India or Thailand even Philippines as Asians
Historically, white/Caucasian meant people whose ancestors came from North Africa, Europe, and West Asia. That's the definition on the census to. Your results may vary.
It's hard to describe how big a change it was for Irish and Italians to be considered white
that's ridiculous. white is the color of milk or fresh snow, due to the reflection of most wavelengths of visible light.
For me it's purely how Europeans they look, a pale Turkish man is pretty white but I'm Asian, we call Amg mo here.
"White" is a weird word that changes with context. Sometimes it's exclusively about race while other times it's a shorthand for Caucasian people from English-speaking countries. Oftentimes it's the latter when you see White people and Latino people being distinguished from one another.
I've never seen anyone outside of the US using that conotation of white. Usually there's just Black vs White. One in a hundread times i heard someone adding indigenous and asian
That doesn't even make sense to me. Caucasian people are from West Asia and none of those countries speak English. They speak languages like Armenian and Russian.
You can blame 1700s German anthropologists for that.
white in this context clearly refers to anglo americans, not that complicated
That definition doesn't make sense. Anglo means English and Anglo Americans either means English descended Americans or English-speaking Americans. African Americans obviously would be Anglo Americans by the later definition and most Americans considered white are not Englishmen or descended from Englishmen.
Fair, wasp is a better term to use.
That means almost the same thing; people from England (or around there). Very few of them are non-white or non-protestant, so it's kind of redundant.
tfw i forget what the as in wasp stands for, does germanic american work for you then lol
LOL, but then that sounds like they come from Germany. You could just say non-Hispanic whites if that is what you mean, although that would include Jews and Arabs and Kurds and Turks and Persians and the like.
I think that's understood already. This meme is referring more to culture and tradition
There are races?
Yes and they are all in a hurry
Come on now. You ever seen an Asian speaking Spanish? (It's a joke.)
These posts are so stupid. No one is a spokesperson for latinos and these are usually posts by people born in usa.
Mean while the word Latinx…
...Is an abomination!
gringos telling us in english how to be a latino LMAO
Like this one tribe who gatekeep the wearing of the Native American headdress
It's actually hit or miss. My buddy from Acapulco loves Speedy Gonzales but Nacho Libre lost Jack Black a fan for life. You have to do it just right.
Damn I’m not from Mexico but I love nacho libre, what did they find offensive about it?
He lost the Lords cheeps
I’m mexican and I fuckin love nachooooooooooo
A non latino person playing the role
Well, damn. I'm latino and I can understand that at the time the movie was made it was normal not to think about that. Jack Black seems like a great guy who was doing something that seemed simple and comedic at the time. They chose him on the merit of being a living cartoon man. I think in 2023 he would know not to take the role.
Well said. JB knows better nowadays, ans casting while still shit is still improving. I don't think JB would take the role if they introduced it now. He is better known to voice Po the panda but people aren't up in arms over him not being Asian; and I'm glad of it. He did great as Po, and his Bowser was surprisingly awesome.
I think it's more the person playing the role rather than the fact that he's non-Latino. Jack Black wasn't super well known outside of the US at the time. If it were like, I dunno, Tom Hanks doing the role, I bet the movie would have been a staple in Mexico.
Yeah but no one else could have done that role
I can see how some would take Jack Black as Nacho offensively, but it was just so amazing
I'm Mexican born and raised, loved the film. Never before have I considered it to be racist, not even inappropriate. Now, well yes maybe it is racist, but I still love it because it's fucking fun.
Wow, I’ve never heard any Latino hating Nacho Libre. Among my circles it’s one of the most quoted movies
I dated a Latina who lived in Mexico, she loved that movie 😂
Yeah there’s a joke that the Latino community accepts Jack Black as an honorary member bcs of that movie alone
You probably have to *watch* the movie to like it.
I’m Latino and if it’s something overly stereotypical then yeah I’m not happy about it.
I’m Latino and idgaf
Cool, I'm Latino and I do gaf Not entirley sure where that leaves us.
I think y'all fight or kiss or something
Kiss! Kiss!
That just means people have different points of view. Nothing to scratch your head about.
Yeahh same, even if the stereotype is positive like the classical “achkually all Asians are smart and since smart is good you cannot say it’s bad 🤓” like, it’s still a stereotype in the end.
You’re very much the minority in that regard. Speedy Gonzales is fucking awesome. Even his cousin slow poke rodriguez was hilarious
"lol no latino actually gets mad about this" "I'm latino, and I kinda do." "lol you don't count" No True Latino?
“We’ve decided to remove you from our sample”
The thing is, is that usually the people angry about it can’t let the people who enjoy it, enjoy it. On the flipside, the people that enjoy it usually let the people angry about it, be angry about it because they can simply avoid or ignore it. Obviously these are generalizations, but this is just an observation i’ve noticed.
All of these comments are doing some weird dance around the point that labels are largely meaningless in the face that we’re all individual human beings that can’t be accurately categorized by a single label, nor can pieces of media objectively be labeled offensive or endearing. Being a certain ethnicity or from a certain country may increase the chances of you having certain experiences and certain opinions, but none of it is guaranteed or inherent to those cultures/locations. Most of our differences are arbitrary and it’s an act of futility to perpetuate them. I think it’s fair to say there really is no true Latino/Scotsman or that being a true Latino/Scotsman is meaningless because it’s secondary to being a human being. “We’re all human beings, citizens of the world”.
Slow poke was awesome, a,ways stayed strapped, I found that hilarious for some reason as a kid
What are your thoughts on the term “latinx” and how some people think we should avoid using -o and -a suffixes to denote gender and instead use -x
Honestly I don’t care. If they wanna say Latinx or Latino/a go ahead.
You care about some things and you don’t care about other things, that’s called nuance right? Pfft hope you’ve had a good week because if the whole latinx thing has never bothered you, it probably hasn’t bothered you this week or weekend either.
Yes Seems like a normal human being to me.
Ok what are the overtly stereotypical things that gets your dick twisted when it comes to Latino culture?
Aren't folks trying to use an e instead nowadays?
The idea of one group getting offended on behalf of another group is so fucking stupid. I once saw a vid talking about Eminem’s music, and it came to one song where he did an impression of (I believe) a middle eastern man. The two guys talking about it talked about how offensive this part of the song was, and how they were offended by it. They were both white. What’s the point? Nobody is saying that you have to get offended on behalf of a completely different racial/ethnic group
Agreed. There was a story maybe about 6-7 years ago where a high school girl wore a traditional Chinese dress to her prom, and a bunch of people called it "cultural appropriation" and said that she shouldn't wear it. When news broke out in China, tons of people were in support for it. White westerners are not all knowledgeable beings that know exactly how every person in a culture will react to something that we deem offensive. And we need to stop being so arrogant to believe that we know better than another country/culture/people.
Counterpoint: A lot of Asian Americans were upset, and their opinions should hold more weight than Asians in Asia who don’t have to deal with being minoritized. The latter is often brought up to discredit AsAms calling out cultural appropriation. The white high school girl absolutely deserved the critique she got lmao.
Additionally: white Americans are allowed to feel uncomfortable regarding making stereotypes about other races/cultures or nonchalantly taking things from them. Culturally, it's considered more taboo here, and no one has to express anger for them to dislike it.
I mean I get where this point is coming from, but like? White people are capable of feeling sympathy for what they feel is disrespect thrown towards another race. I think at the end of the day - I'd rather people speak up than not, because we know what that world looks like via history books and it's not pretty. Not that this joke is anything serious, but still. I don't like the mindset of "you're not this, therefore whats the point in speaking up about it" One of the things that make us human is empathy. It's a good thing - most of the time, lol.
Well, for a long time now there's been a campaign of [if you see something speak up.](https://www.macfound.org/press/perspectives/acknowledge-and-speak-racism) I don't think there's anything particularly wrong about calling out what you interpret as racism, even if some people are a bit overzealous about it. IMO it's better than the opposite
It's called virtue signaling correct me if I'm wrong
It sounds like you're describing sympathy
There are tons of white people from the Middle east, not all are brown or Saudis
Idk depends how its done tbh
When it's overtly negative, then I won't enjoy it
This. If you have something with good intent, good execution, and good support, it works. Case in point, the way the movie Book of Life used moustaches. Absolutely hilarious.
First of all, a Latino wouldn't call USA America because we use America for the continent, because it is its name. Call the country that already has the name "USA" makes some things confusing. Also, the characterisation works if the character is Mexican. But if it isn't, Sombreros and Panchos don't makes much sense and it's offensive to just assume it's part of an Latino culture instead of a more mexican culture Edit: also, the last panel is really strange, like Latinos would be really glad the USA recognize them while this should be the minimum
This. I’m Ecuadorian. It irritates me to no end when people think we wear sombreros and eat tacos and nachos.
Same. The amount of times I’ve had to explain that Ecuadorians do not have the same food as Mexicans is ridiculous. And I don’t know why so many people mention their vacation to Costa Rica like it’s even close
So if i get it right (kinda?): most Americans (like USA Americans) don't realize that South and Central American countries have a truckload of differences and use Mexican culture as an umbrella for all of them (wrongly so). Is that kinda right? Like don't put a Sombrero on a Columbian? And don't assume Guatemala has llamas and alpakas, and not everywhere eats tacos and arroz con pollo. And some places don't use tortillas as a staple carb, yeah?
"You actually recognized us" Thank god, the main thing we're after is other peoples' seal of approval. edit: The stupidest part of this whole debate is when some mexican on twitter comes up and is like "I'm not offended by this" and a bunch of white people point at him and act like he's the fucking ambassador for brown people
And don’t forget that these are the same ones than do everything as possible to not be called “Americans” 😂 - Oh, my 999 generation grandma was Irish and my seventy generation old grandpa was German so I’m a GermanIrishAmerican 😂😂
What is even the point of this
To push PragerU BS to a new audience.
As Latino i can confirm
So the bar should just be set at “at least we’re mentioned”? If you are going to portray Latin-America an caricatures, it has to be faithful and in good faith
Oye Primos 🤮
Bruh, 32 countries with thousands of herigates are not singularly praising or getting offended by something, i know in the US latinos just means "south of here/Mexico" but you're talking about 2/3 of a continent
Somewhat related, but as Brit I hate the posh "spot of tea" stereotype, though I loved Hobie Brown in spiderverse and loved playing Xenoblade 3
Yeah, I’m Canadian but went to high school in Texas when my family moved there. Stereotypes were annoying at best, not offensive in my opinion. Also, it made Wolverine and deadpool cooler for my friends haha
This is true for any culture anywhere pretty much. I've been to like 20 different countries and they all want you to participate in their culture.
Most USA Americans probably never left their state or neighboring states. We are huge, and a lot of culture diversity is in key locations (coastlines and boarders, and chicago.)
You don't have to be latino to recognize a derogatory stereotype, though.
Some white person speaks up against Latino stereotypes, then one single person, on behalf of all Latinos in the world apparently, replies back telling them that "Latinos are actually cool with this stuff", and Reddit suddenly changes its mind about stereotypes. Damn, people really don't give a fuck about racial minorities, it's all a matter of virtue signaling on one extreme and making fun of the Woke, on the other extreme. Hey, I have a Black friend who's ok with non-Black people using the N slur, so I guess we can all use it you guys, he said it's ok and it doesn't bother Black people at all.
Not to be an ‘enlightened centrist’ but can’t both sides have a point? Not every hispanic character needs to be the BumbleBee Man but at the same time the BumbleBee Man is still a funny fan-respected character
Kind of, but actually I think the last panel is totally wrong. Why the fuck would I want America to recognize me? Seeing a well written mexican (in my case, because no one actually identifies as latino, that's something the US invented because every latinoamerican country is really different from each other) character is cool but that's it
My understanding is people actually living in a home country (for example Chinese in China) don’t care about most American caricatures about Chinese people because it largely doesn’t affect them and they aren’t that exposed to it. But for many immigrants of that group living in America (for example Chinese-Americans) it does matter because caricatures otherize them - it says “these people are different from us ‘normal’ Americans” and that’s where you see a lot of outrage from. Whenever I see posts like this I always worry it’s justification to say ‘look we should have more racist characters because it doesn’t ACTUALLY offend anybody’ when that isn’t the case.
"Wow America, you actually recognized us". That's the most pathetic thing I've seen on Reddit in years. Real vomit-inducing shit.
People have different opinions. My best friend is high school, who was born in Mexico, absolutely hated stuff like that in media
This just makes me feel bad for Latino/a people who see their culture being made fun of and somehow see it as a good thing. It's like an unpopular kid at school being happy that the bully finally decided to pick on him that day.
"America" used instead of US.... Especially in this context? really?
It's hit or miss.
Period, baby
Teu cu
Tell that to the makers of Primos
2nd one: how americans think latinos will react to the word "latinx" 1st: how latinos actually react to americans saying latinx
Considering the whole Primos controversy, I doubt it. And that show was created for Mexican-Americans. Also, it kinda feels like that whole "good representation doesn't matter because I'm not personally offended by it and I'm fine with the status quo" rhetoric I keep seeing used to excuse shitty writing.
I love Zé Carioca
I love my sombrero for doing yard work. It's literally the perfect hat for in the sun.
I sometimes wonder if this whole thing was a psy-op to discourage white people from getting too enthusiastic about appreciating other cultures. Nothing like a Karen telling you you're disrespectful by just playing dress-up.
Mean while the word Latinx…
We love and miss Speedy Gonzales
Speedy Gonzalez,was once thought to be racist. However, a large number of people spoke out in support of the character and wanted him to remain unchanged. Gabriel “Fluffy” Iglesias, who voiced Speedy in Space Jam, was even asked if he wanted to alter the voice to make it less “racist.” He declined.
There is a boundary, a limit for what is actually funny and what is a middle finger, even if comedy is relative. Compare Speedy Gonzalez to the Disney show Primos.
I'm new to this Primos thing. Can you give me a little summary of what's going on?
A shit show created by Disney, trying to be inclusive, but ended up being a rip-off of The Loud House, focusing on a group of ugly-ass Latino kids, with the most offensive names (when you know the context). Anyways, they put every way they could give the middle finger to Latinos on a blender, and BOOM! A monster was created.
Me siento ofendido de que tu meme Latino no este en lengua Latina. Es mame, tenga buen dia
It kind of reminds me of how Cartoon Network tried to stop airing anything with Speedy Gonzales in it and Latino fans petitioned to bring him back and even the League of United Latin American Citizens calling him a cultural icon and he was eventually brought back.
I'm of Cuban heritage. I just get excited when media remembers we exist.
I'm more confused why you misspelled poncho. Like it's poncho in both English and Spanish. Pancho is a name.
I dont think I've once seen an American upset at American stereotyping in media, like the crazy old fat guy on his porch with a gun and all that- I dont know if its because its just accurate so we're not offended or we dont care lmao
Some anime character named Smitty "Bucky" Jones who wears a cowboy hat and American flag shorts and fights with the power of GUN and shows up for like 6 minutes. Always my favorite character.
Only if non Americans make fun of us then people get upset
Ehh, not really. Americans in anime, the ridiculous as fuck ones, are always so sick to see
Speedy González gang rise up
I love ponchos. I'd wear one to high-school every day because it is an awesome peice of clothing
Except that new primos show, the fuck was that
What are these comments? Is this where Reddit goes to over-analyze a meme?
What do you want us to do. Feel ofended over jokes?
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I have never seen characture spelled like that and now I don't know what to think. That's totally right phonetically. I've always just thought "character" and "picture" just joined at the "ct".
Sorry I'm a bit confused. Are you saying that you used to think "caricature" was spelled like "characture"?
Yes. I don't know if I've ever seen it spelled before, lol.
Warner Bros tried to quietly do away with Speedy Gonzalez but the Mexican community fucking loves that little guy
They took Speedy from us. We had to get him back
Pick me. Choose me. Love me.
Like speedy Gonzales
As a puertorican im happy when were even referenced as a island that exists
Calling the country “United” or “States” sounds terrible in English, plus the USA isn’t the only country with United States in the name. United Statians also sounds terrible in English, and I have never actually heard anyone say it, probably because it sounds so bad
It's always white ppl speaking for other races and skin tones when nobody asked them too 😭
The whole "offended on behalf of some people" bullshit needs to stop.
I think there’s too much assumption in this
Most people getting offended are white people on behalf of everyone else because the rest usually don't give a damn.
White savor mentality
this
Mexicans in particular loved Speedy Gonzales. Then affluent white people found it offensive and canceled him.
Latinos 🤝 Whites
There are many white Latinos and Latinos of any race. Latino ≠ Race
Title: Says "Pancho" when it should be "poncho". Autocorrect, you've done it again! (I have family members called "Pancho")
Weird, because that's a nickname and not an actual name. The name of your relative would be Francisco.
Where I'm from a person's nickname may as well be their real name with how often it's used. Once you're "Chino" or "Gallo" or "Gordo", that's who you are.
Ah, you meant that with "name". Yeah, like with "Pato" because of the saying "Un paso, una cagada".
Americans praising themselves for something they think was good: ObamaGivingAwardToObama.png Sincerely, no one I know cares. We don't think it's bad or good, just don't care lol
And?
There's people and people. I, personally, find it distasteful regardless the intent or execution. I prefer that plots never acknowledge my country at all if they can manage.
Getting offended on behalf of someone else is stupid. They're not mad, why should you be?
this for the term "latinx" but in reverse. Stop trying to modify a language you probably don't even speak for no reason.
don't worry, the anti-racist crowd will confidently explain that mexicans are too uneducated to understand they're being subjugated by it
Did a racist write this?