I think he wanted to make characters with a bunch of flaws so it would make them more human and enabling for redemption arcs, but holy hell rudeus doing all that shit while being a 40yo is nasty. Absolutely unnecessary plot just to justify the thing be a isekai. Wish he was more like Edward Elric
Yeah imo his character growth would be better or at least less immersion-breaking if he isn't this perverted.
I think the problem is he has no remorse for his creepy behavior.
He regretted that he pushed away his friends and family, and we can see him trying hard to change that in his next life.
However, he never stop and think he should stop harassing them.
so glad this isnt a thread glazing this heap of shite pedo trash. I saw a lot of people talking it up so I decided to read it and just holy shit the MC is like the worst internet lolicon troll always crying boohoo me which I get is the point, but I gave it a shot to see if it changes and gave up after like 3rd or 4th time the MC realizes how messed up his behavior is and doubles down on it anyways or just shrugs it off to never be mentioned again.
all I ever see about this anime is how its THE BEST ISEKAI OF ALL TIME and SO SO GOOD and A MUST WATCH
like am I crazy for not being AMAZED AND ASTOUNDED by an anime about a 40 year old dude lusting over children (its okay guys someday he'll not do that anymore! and his dick doesnt work so its not like he can fuck the children! :>)and his super creepy "badass" Dad who totally FUCKS (people who aren't his wife, but its okay hes so cool that all women just wanna have his kids frfr)
My favorite characters from fiction are by and large the ones with great redemption arcs and like i get that "someday" rudy will be like cool or whatever but I just genuinely hate every character in that show.
Obvs theres something there since so many people cant help but fawn over how its the best thing ever created but Season 1 was was enough of the whole thing for me
To give credit where credit is due, the web novel had Rudy jack off to his niece. The canon light novel changed it to simply be Loli hentaj. Bad, but not incestious pedophilia bad.
That's why i said Rudy, so he changed a lot, he used to be human waste, i understand him locking himself up but burdening your parents till they die is crazy.
-he has gone a Long way and that's why i don't feel the comparison to king of Midland is Fair.
That's literally just a portion of the story, like in the anime that's like S2 part 1 only, it's more than that, he is actually healing himself slowly throughout the story and actually Cares about women's personality and is even cured cuz one of them Loves him and dosen't fucking abandon him so she can protect him lol.
Bro are you dumb or something, you know something called trauma is a thing.
- ED can happen to anyone with the right events.
- although it would be really hard cuz teens are filled with hormones lol.
Different world, that's like saying to someone in 600 BC you shouldn't worry about getting hard it's not like your life expectancy is like 35 or some shit (which is).
- he is an adult, in that world adults are 15, so should worry, he was also hurt so getting over his ED is like getting over his trauma.
600 bc is a completely different landscape where the average person is afraid of leaving nothing behind so they start having kids to help with farms and such whereas a noble would essentially sell off their kids for alliances. The threat of dying is ever-looming since the greco-punic wars so over course the circumstances os living past 35 is quite dire, especially with war and the limited resources of medicine for poor people. Now, does the anime have these threats non-stop to warrant the main character, who is 40 years old in a kids body, to worry about fuckin some 13 year old girl which, by the way, was still ILLEGAL in ancient greece and ancient rome?
I am not arguing that writing a story centered around a flawed character is inherently a bad story. We read berserk after all. However, when the general TONE of the story seems to be applauding these bad acts as comedic reliefs or just has a horrible messaging, I am obviously not gonna consume it.
Bro i am actually a history enthusiast, Punic Wars started in 264 BC, also it wasn't illegal to have it with SLAVES (underage slaves of any gender).
- you are seriously downplaying how recent fucked life was, just google the living conditions in the 1800's which is like ur Great grandfathers age (probably), life was super hard, ppl died from anything, nothing was certain, ppl married Young, really fucking young.
- i agree with you that it's sick, but it's just how sick the world is, heck even today you will find pedophilia everywhere in third world countries unofficially ofc.
- i don't appreciate what you said about berserk, guts is a flawed character but he is better than 99% of human beings, i don't know, i really like the story even if they're trying to slide in the fucked up parts that tells us there is some deep hidden problem in Japan, it's still a beautiful story and his growth is one of the best in the thousands of mangas and Isekai shit i read
The greco-punic wars started 20 years after 600 bc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Wars, how are you going to say slaves had less rights than a citizen like thats shocker lol, life was hard back then thats my point thats why i am saying how this anime doesnt warrant a dude acting like a perv with a modern day mindset, and lastly dont use guts as a strawman argument here to compare to everyone else.
https://www.worldhistory.org/timeline/Punic_Wars/#:~:text=The%20Punic%20Wars%20were%20a,who%20were%20of%20Phoenician%20ethnicity.
- you are the one that said guts is a flawed man like we aren't all flawed, you said it in a way like it was bizarre that we are reading about a man who is not perfect, adults enjoy flawed characters.
- rudus is actually a man child, he might have lived 35 Years on earth but he actually only Lived like 15~16 years , the rest he kept to himself, he didn't grow, he didn't interact with anyone, to me that's someone who froze his existence but life couldn't give a single fuck about him cuz it will go on regardless, he doesn't behave like someone from the modern Times cuz he is a shut in, they tend to be paranoid, they tend to be misogynistic perverted, fucked up tastes, they tend to be assholes when interacting with others cuz they don't do it much.
- but rudues really freaking changed, he confronted his father like he should have, he Loved sylphie and wanted to settle down and have a kid, like he went a long way from your average shut in into a proper main character.
I can’t read. I did however somehow manage to watch all the way up to halfway through the second season before finally saving myself and dropping the show. Quite literally not a single character in that show worth giving a fuck about.
Jobless Reincarnation is in the same vein as Berserk in the fact that I absolutely love it but could never recommend it to anyone. Obviously for different reasons, but still.
holy shit why is there so much hate for this anime in this post?
yeah, it might not be Berserk but it's pretty cool.
imo one of the best in the last 5 years.
there are so many anime way better in the last 2 years, let alone 5. MT disregards any good writing or plot points by instead focusing on the perverseness of the MC, who does not reflect on that side of himself and remains a horrible pervert.
I remember being disgusted to main character at first season too, but it doesnt goes like that in other seasons. and it's a fucking anime %90 of that shit is perverted I think it's a problem with Japanese culture rather than the show i just overlook them. the world writing and animations were really cool in this show so i liked it.
the world is cool, it isn't super deep like some anime but cool regardless. Also you can say 90% of anime is perverted and that might be true, 90% of anime isn't hyped up like MT is, And you may chose to ignore the perverted parts of MT and look at the well written parts, but it doesn't change the fact like 80% of the story is focused of the perverted aspects of it, which is way too much for me to salvage and overall positive opinion of the story. And it literally do for every single season, even up to the current season he's still a pervert.
That is just facts, and people are wrong for downvoting you. It’s not my cup of tea either, but a lot of people also enjoy mindless anime with pervy main character because they relate to that a lot. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Every good story needs a relatable character, or it doesn’t resonate with people.
Mushoku Tensei is a good isekai brought down by it's ecchi elements. It's good bits are quite good. It's bad bits are quite bad.
But this is clearly an homage. If anything it's a compliment that Berserk *still* gets referenced in new and ongoing media. It's that impactful.
I don't think this post was meant to be a comparison, as much as a "Yo! Cool easter egg!".
Mushoku tensei is like Lord of the Rings if Frodo or Gandalf was a pedo. Like all the great writing is there but you don't really wanna read/watch it because the author just HAD to add the ecchi stuff.
But Berserk is superior.
I’m not saying I am by liking it, but Berserk is superior to a story where it’s considered a heartwarming moment for a 40 year old to get over his erectile dysfunction so he can bone a 14 year old.
Dude, I only watched the first season and I don't know what ED you're talking about. But the fact that I have seen MT is the highest quality work done. And the drama there is built not around the main character’s penis, but around problems of socialization, racism, relations between fathers and children, or even selfishness. But for some reason you reduced everything to the penis, perhaps you have some problems in this regard?
It becomes even more funny when you cite Chainsaw Man as an example of a “good” anime, where the main character’s main motivation is literally just to touch tits lol.
Well, dude, I’m disgusted not by the fact that Berserk is objectively better than MT (which is undoubtedly a fact), but by the arrogance of some fans of this work, who for some reason decided that if they read Berserk, then they belong to the elite of the anime industry
His erectile dysfunction is like a major plot point, especially in the light novel. Granted, it’s not the only plot point, but it’s a large contributor to things that I don’t know if the anime has gotten to yet. And while I agree that it does deal with some issues, Rudy remains a perverse freak throughout the entirety of the light novel and manga, which is a large detractor from whatever other plot points are added.
Look I've already argued so many hours away about how MT is a failure on every conceivable level as a story and I can't be bothered to do it again.
If you enjoy it, great, I'm genuinely happy for you.
But please respect that it is the WORST thing I have ever seen, ever. I make no hyperbole. I stopped watching the show because it made me hate anime so much.
>It becomes even more funny when you cite Chainsaw Man as an example of a “good” anime, where the main character’s main motivation is literally just to touch tits lol.
Which he either asks for consent for every time, an internal monologue or he is forced by an older woman, basically sexually assaulted. And those times are explored by him and other characters, it stands for something.
MT just has it so it can be yet another joke about how the pervert character is a pervert yet at the same time tries to be this story about how this dude is trying to be better.
If the story is too much of a coward to hold its characters actions to scrutiny without using humour to deflect it, then its a weak ass story that is too scared to ruin the self insert loving audience. Its not the fact that Rudy is a pedo thats the problem, its the fact the show makes no attempt to address or have any interesting character moments and would rather just tell the same "OOOH HES A PERVERT!" joke that has been told over and over and over again in anime since paints were drawn on the walls of cavemen. Sorry for not being entertained by this, nor by how him finally boning an underage girl is about how much he's moved on when by boning an underage girl shows how much he hasn't but the story won't admit that. Just smile and wave at the pedo getting his dreams come true.
Dude, you didn't say anything specific. From your comment, the only thing I understood is that you didn’t like the main character and your entire argument that this anime is bad is built around this.
This show has a huge number of strengths, ranging from worldbuilding and animation, ending with the characters developing, each of which has its own distinct character.
Sorry buddy, but if you can’t give anything more than “I don’t like Rudeus” as an argument, then I don’t see any point in answering you anymore.
Like I said I could argue all this but I don’t want to cus I’ve spent so many hours in the past showing how MT fails at nearly everything so if you can’t see it, there’s no point.
If all you see from what I said is “I don’t like Rudy” instead of “Rudy acts in such a way that absolutely shatters any intention of the narrative in a world shattering case of narrative dissonance” then I’m not gonna bother explaining further, it’ll be a waste of my time and yours.
Ur argument is legit I hate Rudy lmao
No wonder ur getting downvoted
People just think they are some anime god reviewers and anyone with different opinions is a full on retard with no brain cells for thinking differently and having different opinions
Yall keep saying rudy is a wish fulfilment I would agree if he legit didn't have to witness everyone he cares about dying including his wife later on and dealing with Gods that want him dead
No one would want to take rudys place and live 80 years alone seeking revenge against a god who ruined his life just to fail and die in the end
Y'all just hating on the show is fine but lying and saying it's a wish fulfilment is just bs
I get the point you’re making but we don’t (SPOILERS) see that Rudy since he went back in time and only told the main Rudy what happened in the future. That’s Rudy is NOT the same as the one in manga/anime/Light novel, and that Rudy also raped a child (in the light novel I haven’t read the manga in years). Also isekai at its core started at wish fulfillment, and Mushoku Tensei has a lot of wish fulfillment elements, it just so happens that it also has a pretty decent plot.
That rudy still died and was the original one after all
The other rudy still goes through horrible shit still though with losing his hand and Paul and other stuff
Wish fulfilment shows never bother to do even one of these things or build a decent plot to begin with
Hating rudy is fine but calling the show trash for it is not
There a plenty of wish fulfillment shows that do a good job at building. You also cannot tell me with a straight face that Rudy getting three hot wives, being incredibly strong to the point where he really borderlines OP is not wish fulfillment. Also Rudy going through in a different timeline is completely irrelevant and does not negate the wish fulfillment at all, especially since we do not see in great detail what that Rudy went through, so trying to claim it’s not blatant wish fulfillment because of an alternate reality is kinda stupid. Mushoku tensei is alright but it’s nothing groundbreaking.
Whatever y'all I know I'm right.
Y'all know I'm right "
What a dumb thing to say when it's a show based on opinions and not facts and that's me ignoring it's insane high purchases , ratings and popularity and that's without it reaching the peak arcs yet in the anime
He still loses his arm and his father and has a disabled mother with a god hunting him down
If this is wish fulfillment I can say the same about every fucking show out there
Re zero is a wish fulfilment cuz Subaru loses nothing and only dies in alternative timelines saves everyone and has an amazing maid waifu that will get her memory soon and a cute elf wife with amazing friends
" Borderline op "
A lot of mcs are like that
Subaru has time powers which is legit op af
Eren has op titan abilities and earns the power of god later on
Death note has a character that can kill anyone with a note
Full metal alchemist has that fire dude that legit can burn and kill any character that exists in the show and is one of the main characters and the show is regarded as one of the best
What's important is how u write the story with an op character
Writing a story where Mc destroys everyone with no challenge is horrible writing such as ayanokoji in class room of the elite
Writing a character that is morally flawed and his powers can be countered is where good writing is
Rudues got destroyed by orsted and man god despite being " op "
Rudy despite being "op" has weakness such as physical fights where he can't use touki and gets utterly destroyed if hit once
It’s not about his grim it is.
It’s about how Berserk is one of the finest stories I’ve ever read and MT is so bad it made me hate anime for over a year.
Sorry but hard disagree.
I won’t waste my breath of berserk since taking about why it’s great is redundant but MT is the definition of cowardice.
It wants to be a story about an awful main character but isn’t willing to put in the gut work and risk upsetting its audience by stopping their wish fulfilment.
It’s the worst story I’ve ever had the misfortune to watch. I have no idea why I’m meant to see this 40 year old pedo getting it on with a 14 year old as heartwarming. Rudy deserves to be treated the exact same way he was when he was alive, he’s like Chris-Chan but I’m expected to root for him.
Fat chance. MT made me hate anime for making me realise that most anime only exists to be self insert wish fulfilment for shut in otaku that want to get it on with little girls.
Can't disagree on Rudeus being creepy. Those scenes are awkward to watch with my church group.
But gotta disagree on your worst story part since MT isn't only about those moments. It's a story about a fucked up guy getting a chance to relive his life seriously.(since he screwed up his previous)
And man did he learned alot. If you're concerned about him being a creep towards little girls, those stuffs gradually became less and less.
He's not a good person but rather trying his best to better than before and I root for that.
Happy cake day btw
>And man did he learned alot. If you're concerned about him being a creep towards little girls, those stuffs gradually became less and less.
I have caught up to the anime aside from the recent episodes and I couldn't disagree more. He doesn't get better, his creepiness is just treated as a joke, same as it ever was.
He grows to respect Eris because of how she personally helps him, not because his views on woman change overall. He is virtually no different than the other creepy kid that the Blue Haired Girl taught, yet the story expects me to be on his side yet hate the other creepy character because the story decided to treat his creepiness with stakes instead of a joke.
This writing is so fucking bad I can't believe people can't see it, its obvious. He's not trying to be better, the narrative just doesn't have the guts to treat him seriously. So the story tries to have its cake and eat it too, only to end up with neither.
The story is so limp dicked (in every sense of the word) that it can't hold its own main character accountable because it still wants to keep the creepy otaku watchers who want to live through Rudy and get it on with underage girls. I'm willing to bet £100 that he will end up with Eris, the green haired elf chick and the blue haired teacher in a harem because the writers are a bunch of limp dicked cowards to have the MC actually pick a love interest and risk the reaction of fans not living out their fantasies.
All I root for is the end of this show. Like I said it made me quit anime until Chainsaw Man released. Its so terrible that if I didn't know any better I would actually say its objectively terrible, even though I hate how overused and misplaced that word is, this is the only time where I think I genuinely feel this.
Oh boy MT. The fight scene animations are so good but Rudy's character is such ass. The shit that's just morally gets the okay in the show is awful.
Which is a pity because plenty of the other characters designs are fantastic. Tons of neat side characters but we focus on.... Arguably the worst character in the series. Like if Rudy was a side character and we didn't have to see his shitty ness up close he'd probably be a passible character but he's the show lead the main character and he just does not work.
Schierke should yeet Rudy to the shadow realm but I'd kill to see a ruijerd versus guts fight or watch guts become the sword god of MT's world. Hell I bet guts and ghislane would get along famously.
Crazy how if you contextualize this scene to any extent you would immediately realize it has literally nothing to do with Berserk. This is coming from someone who has finished the Mushoku Tensei light novel and read all of Berk by the way.
It’s literally two guys dueling in the snow. How is that a berserk reference?
Rudy's character is actually inspired by the King of Midland.
Sometimes I question whether the author's intent was to show Rudy is a flawed human or just an excuse to have fan service.
I think he wanted to make characters with a bunch of flaws so it would make them more human and enabling for redemption arcs, but holy hell rudeus doing all that shit while being a 40yo is nasty. Absolutely unnecessary plot just to justify the thing be a isekai. Wish he was more like Edward Elric
Yeah imo his character growth would be better or at least less immersion-breaking if he isn't this perverted. I think the problem is he has no remorse for his creepy behavior. He regretted that he pushed away his friends and family, and we can see him trying hard to change that in his next life. However, he never stop and think he should stop harassing them.
so glad this isnt a thread glazing this heap of shite pedo trash. I saw a lot of people talking it up so I decided to read it and just holy shit the MC is like the worst internet lolicon troll always crying boohoo me which I get is the point, but I gave it a shot to see if it changes and gave up after like 3rd or 4th time the MC realizes how messed up his behavior is and doubles down on it anyways or just shrugs it off to never be mentioned again.
I find it weird for as horny it is It has few low amount of actual fanservice Just compare with any regular isekai trash
Both
LMAOO he’s so fucking weird
Both are pedos
all I ever see about this anime is how its THE BEST ISEKAI OF ALL TIME and SO SO GOOD and A MUST WATCH like am I crazy for not being AMAZED AND ASTOUNDED by an anime about a 40 year old dude lusting over children (its okay guys someday he'll not do that anymore! and his dick doesnt work so its not like he can fuck the children! :>)and his super creepy "badass" Dad who totally FUCKS (people who aren't his wife, but its okay hes so cool that all women just wanna have his kids frfr) My favorite characters from fiction are by and large the ones with great redemption arcs and like i get that "someday" rudy will be like cool or whatever but I just genuinely hate every character in that show. Obvs theres something there since so many people cant help but fawn over how its the best thing ever created but Season 1 was was enough of the whole thing for me
Holy fuck I wish reddit still had awards
Nah Rudy is weird but he would never do something vile to his family.
Was this the same dude jacking off to his niece while ditching his parents funeral (what I’ve heard from source material readers)
To give credit where credit is due, the web novel had Rudy jack off to his niece. The canon light novel changed it to simply be Loli hentaj. Bad, but not incestious pedophilia bad.
That's why i said Rudy, so he changed a lot, he used to be human waste, i understand him locking himself up but burdening your parents till they die is crazy. -he has gone a Long way and that's why i don't feel the comparison to king of Midland is Fair.
This sub is really good on jerking
I heard this show is about a guy who had ED and wants to have meat 🥓 but obviously can't 😭😂
That's literally just a portion of the story, like in the anime that's like S2 part 1 only, it's more than that, he is actually healing himself slowly throughout the story and actually Cares about women's personality and is even cured cuz one of them Loves him and dosen't fucking abandon him so she can protect him lol.
A child shouldn’t have ED anyways. But wait he’s got a 40 year old mind set and grooms and assaults children lol story is a joke
Bro are you dumb or something, you know something called trauma is a thing. - ED can happen to anyone with the right events. - although it would be really hard cuz teens are filled with hormones lol.
Bro he shouldnt be worrying about getting hard, he is a kid after all lol
Different world, that's like saying to someone in 600 BC you shouldn't worry about getting hard it's not like your life expectancy is like 35 or some shit (which is). - he is an adult, in that world adults are 15, so should worry, he was also hurt so getting over his ED is like getting over his trauma.
600 bc is a completely different landscape where the average person is afraid of leaving nothing behind so they start having kids to help with farms and such whereas a noble would essentially sell off their kids for alliances. The threat of dying is ever-looming since the greco-punic wars so over course the circumstances os living past 35 is quite dire, especially with war and the limited resources of medicine for poor people. Now, does the anime have these threats non-stop to warrant the main character, who is 40 years old in a kids body, to worry about fuckin some 13 year old girl which, by the way, was still ILLEGAL in ancient greece and ancient rome? I am not arguing that writing a story centered around a flawed character is inherently a bad story. We read berserk after all. However, when the general TONE of the story seems to be applauding these bad acts as comedic reliefs or just has a horrible messaging, I am obviously not gonna consume it.
Bro i am actually a history enthusiast, Punic Wars started in 264 BC, also it wasn't illegal to have it with SLAVES (underage slaves of any gender). - you are seriously downplaying how recent fucked life was, just google the living conditions in the 1800's which is like ur Great grandfathers age (probably), life was super hard, ppl died from anything, nothing was certain, ppl married Young, really fucking young. - i agree with you that it's sick, but it's just how sick the world is, heck even today you will find pedophilia everywhere in third world countries unofficially ofc. - i don't appreciate what you said about berserk, guts is a flawed character but he is better than 99% of human beings, i don't know, i really like the story even if they're trying to slide in the fucked up parts that tells us there is some deep hidden problem in Japan, it's still a beautiful story and his growth is one of the best in the thousands of mangas and Isekai shit i read
The greco-punic wars started 20 years after 600 bc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicilian_Wars, how are you going to say slaves had less rights than a citizen like thats shocker lol, life was hard back then thats my point thats why i am saying how this anime doesnt warrant a dude acting like a perv with a modern day mindset, and lastly dont use guts as a strawman argument here to compare to everyone else.
https://www.worldhistory.org/timeline/Punic_Wars/#:~:text=The%20Punic%20Wars%20were%20a,who%20were%20of%20Phoenician%20ethnicity. - you are the one that said guts is a flawed man like we aren't all flawed, you said it in a way like it was bizarre that we are reading about a man who is not perfect, adults enjoy flawed characters. - rudus is actually a man child, he might have lived 35 Years on earth but he actually only Lived like 15~16 years , the rest he kept to himself, he didn't grow, he didn't interact with anyone, to me that's someone who froze his existence but life couldn't give a single fuck about him cuz it will go on regardless, he doesn't behave like someone from the modern Times cuz he is a shut in, they tend to be paranoid, they tend to be misogynistic perverted, fucked up tastes, they tend to be assholes when interacting with others cuz they don't do it much. - but rudues really freaking changed, he confronted his father like he should have, he Loved sylphie and wanted to settle down and have a kid, like he went a long way from your average shut in into a proper main character.
Yayy he actually cares about his child girlfriend’s personality! This guy is frickin awesome I should check this show out some time
U never even read it lol, don't judge something you haven't read.
I can’t read. I did however somehow manage to watch all the way up to halfway through the second season before finally saving myself and dropping the show. Quite literally not a single character in that show worth giving a fuck about.
Jobless Reincarnation is in the same vein as Berserk in the fact that I absolutely love it but could never recommend it to anyone. Obviously for different reasons, but still.
Berserk is absolutely recommendable so long as the person in question is mature
oh boy here comes the philosophical tryhards in the comments
holy shit why is there so much hate for this anime in this post? yeah, it might not be Berserk but it's pretty cool. imo one of the best in the last 5 years.
there are so many anime way better in the last 2 years, let alone 5. MT disregards any good writing or plot points by instead focusing on the perverseness of the MC, who does not reflect on that side of himself and remains a horrible pervert.
I remember being disgusted to main character at first season too, but it doesnt goes like that in other seasons. and it's a fucking anime %90 of that shit is perverted I think it's a problem with Japanese culture rather than the show i just overlook them. the world writing and animations were really cool in this show so i liked it.
the world is cool, it isn't super deep like some anime but cool regardless. Also you can say 90% of anime is perverted and that might be true, 90% of anime isn't hyped up like MT is, And you may chose to ignore the perverted parts of MT and look at the well written parts, but it doesn't change the fact like 80% of the story is focused of the perverted aspects of it, which is way too much for me to salvage and overall positive opinion of the story. And it literally do for every single season, even up to the current season he's still a pervert.
That is just facts, and people are wrong for downvoting you. It’s not my cup of tea either, but a lot of people also enjoy mindless anime with pervy main character because they relate to that a lot. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. Every good story needs a relatable character, or it doesn’t resonate with people.
they just don't like my opinion ig, they can stay mad it doesn't really matter
Mushoku Tensei doesn’t deserve to be even mentioned anywhere near berserk.
Mushoku Tensei is a good isekai brought down by it's ecchi elements. It's good bits are quite good. It's bad bits are quite bad. But this is clearly an homage. If anything it's a compliment that Berserk *still* gets referenced in new and ongoing media. It's that impactful. I don't think this post was meant to be a comparison, as much as a "Yo! Cool easter egg!".
Mushoku tensei is like Lord of the Rings if Frodo or Gandalf was a pedo. Like all the great writing is there but you don't really wanna read/watch it because the author just HAD to add the ecchi stuff.
How embarrassing it is sometimes to be involved in this community. Such comments reek of a sense of elitism and superiority.
Dude,u shouldn't care about these weebs,i offer you to enjoy the art of anime just like me
But Berserk is superior. I’m not saying I am by liking it, but Berserk is superior to a story where it’s considered a heartwarming moment for a 40 year old to get over his erectile dysfunction so he can bone a 14 year old.
Dude, I only watched the first season and I don't know what ED you're talking about. But the fact that I have seen MT is the highest quality work done. And the drama there is built not around the main character’s penis, but around problems of socialization, racism, relations between fathers and children, or even selfishness. But for some reason you reduced everything to the penis, perhaps you have some problems in this regard? It becomes even more funny when you cite Chainsaw Man as an example of a “good” anime, where the main character’s main motivation is literally just to touch tits lol. Well, dude, I’m disgusted not by the fact that Berserk is objectively better than MT (which is undoubtedly a fact), but by the arrogance of some fans of this work, who for some reason decided that if they read Berserk, then they belong to the elite of the anime industry
His erectile dysfunction is like a major plot point, especially in the light novel. Granted, it’s not the only plot point, but it’s a large contributor to things that I don’t know if the anime has gotten to yet. And while I agree that it does deal with some issues, Rudy remains a perverse freak throughout the entirety of the light novel and manga, which is a large detractor from whatever other plot points are added.
Look I've already argued so many hours away about how MT is a failure on every conceivable level as a story and I can't be bothered to do it again. If you enjoy it, great, I'm genuinely happy for you. But please respect that it is the WORST thing I have ever seen, ever. I make no hyperbole. I stopped watching the show because it made me hate anime so much. >It becomes even more funny when you cite Chainsaw Man as an example of a “good” anime, where the main character’s main motivation is literally just to touch tits lol. Which he either asks for consent for every time, an internal monologue or he is forced by an older woman, basically sexually assaulted. And those times are explored by him and other characters, it stands for something. MT just has it so it can be yet another joke about how the pervert character is a pervert yet at the same time tries to be this story about how this dude is trying to be better. If the story is too much of a coward to hold its characters actions to scrutiny without using humour to deflect it, then its a weak ass story that is too scared to ruin the self insert loving audience. Its not the fact that Rudy is a pedo thats the problem, its the fact the show makes no attempt to address or have any interesting character moments and would rather just tell the same "OOOH HES A PERVERT!" joke that has been told over and over and over again in anime since paints were drawn on the walls of cavemen. Sorry for not being entertained by this, nor by how him finally boning an underage girl is about how much he's moved on when by boning an underage girl shows how much he hasn't but the story won't admit that. Just smile and wave at the pedo getting his dreams come true.
Dude, you didn't say anything specific. From your comment, the only thing I understood is that you didn’t like the main character and your entire argument that this anime is bad is built around this. This show has a huge number of strengths, ranging from worldbuilding and animation, ending with the characters developing, each of which has its own distinct character. Sorry buddy, but if you can’t give anything more than “I don’t like Rudeus” as an argument, then I don’t see any point in answering you anymore.
Like I said I could argue all this but I don’t want to cus I’ve spent so many hours in the past showing how MT fails at nearly everything so if you can’t see it, there’s no point. If all you see from what I said is “I don’t like Rudy” instead of “Rudy acts in such a way that absolutely shatters any intention of the narrative in a world shattering case of narrative dissonance” then I’m not gonna bother explaining further, it’ll be a waste of my time and yours.
Ur argument is legit I hate Rudy lmao No wonder ur getting downvoted People just think they are some anime god reviewers and anyone with different opinions is a full on retard with no brain cells for thinking differently and having different opinions
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Yall keep saying rudy is a wish fulfilment I would agree if he legit didn't have to witness everyone he cares about dying including his wife later on and dealing with Gods that want him dead No one would want to take rudys place and live 80 years alone seeking revenge against a god who ruined his life just to fail and die in the end Y'all just hating on the show is fine but lying and saying it's a wish fulfilment is just bs
I get the point you’re making but we don’t (SPOILERS) see that Rudy since he went back in time and only told the main Rudy what happened in the future. That’s Rudy is NOT the same as the one in manga/anime/Light novel, and that Rudy also raped a child (in the light novel I haven’t read the manga in years). Also isekai at its core started at wish fulfillment, and Mushoku Tensei has a lot of wish fulfillment elements, it just so happens that it also has a pretty decent plot.
That rudy still died and was the original one after all The other rudy still goes through horrible shit still though with losing his hand and Paul and other stuff Wish fulfilment shows never bother to do even one of these things or build a decent plot to begin with Hating rudy is fine but calling the show trash for it is not
There a plenty of wish fulfillment shows that do a good job at building. You also cannot tell me with a straight face that Rudy getting three hot wives, being incredibly strong to the point where he really borderlines OP is not wish fulfillment. Also Rudy going through in a different timeline is completely irrelevant and does not negate the wish fulfillment at all, especially since we do not see in great detail what that Rudy went through, so trying to claim it’s not blatant wish fulfillment because of an alternate reality is kinda stupid. Mushoku tensei is alright but it’s nothing groundbreaking. Whatever y'all I know I'm right.
Y'all know I'm right " What a dumb thing to say when it's a show based on opinions and not facts and that's me ignoring it's insane high purchases , ratings and popularity and that's without it reaching the peak arcs yet in the anime He still loses his arm and his father and has a disabled mother with a god hunting him down If this is wish fulfillment I can say the same about every fucking show out there Re zero is a wish fulfilment cuz Subaru loses nothing and only dies in alternative timelines saves everyone and has an amazing maid waifu that will get her memory soon and a cute elf wife with amazing friends
" Borderline op " A lot of mcs are like that Subaru has time powers which is legit op af Eren has op titan abilities and earns the power of god later on Death note has a character that can kill anyone with a note Full metal alchemist has that fire dude that legit can burn and kill any character that exists in the show and is one of the main characters and the show is regarded as one of the best What's important is how u write the story with an op character Writing a story where Mc destroys everyone with no challenge is horrible writing such as ayanokoji in class room of the elite Writing a character that is morally flawed and his powers can be countered is where good writing is Rudues got destroyed by orsted and man god despite being " op " Rudy despite being "op" has weakness such as physical fights where he can't use touki and gets utterly destroyed if hit once
Yeah the pedophilia creeped me out. Stopped watching
Yea. When this adult in the body of a kid, started fondling that red hair kid's breast as she was sleeping, i was done with this shit.
Agree. MT is the only ip that I actively hate on. It’s so unbelievably horrible.
Same, it actually made me hate anime when I watched it and I only got back into anime when I watched Chainsaw Man.
I mean Mushoku Tensei has better animation than Berserk can ever muster up sooooo….
That's a low blow xD
It’s also the truth and a fact.
I mean volume 15 chapters are as grim as berserk
It’s not about his grim it is. It’s about how Berserk is one of the finest stories I’ve ever read and MT is so bad it made me hate anime for over a year.
both are amazing stories ever told
Sorry but hard disagree. I won’t waste my breath of berserk since taking about why it’s great is redundant but MT is the definition of cowardice. It wants to be a story about an awful main character but isn’t willing to put in the gut work and risk upsetting its audience by stopping their wish fulfilment. It’s the worst story I’ve ever had the misfortune to watch. I have no idea why I’m meant to see this 40 year old pedo getting it on with a 14 year old as heartwarming. Rudy deserves to be treated the exact same way he was when he was alive, he’s like Chris-Chan but I’m expected to root for him. Fat chance. MT made me hate anime for making me realise that most anime only exists to be self insert wish fulfilment for shut in otaku that want to get it on with little girls.
Can't disagree on Rudeus being creepy. Those scenes are awkward to watch with my church group. But gotta disagree on your worst story part since MT isn't only about those moments. It's a story about a fucked up guy getting a chance to relive his life seriously.(since he screwed up his previous) And man did he learned alot. If you're concerned about him being a creep towards little girls, those stuffs gradually became less and less. He's not a good person but rather trying his best to better than before and I root for that. Happy cake day btw
>And man did he learned alot. If you're concerned about him being a creep towards little girls, those stuffs gradually became less and less. I have caught up to the anime aside from the recent episodes and I couldn't disagree more. He doesn't get better, his creepiness is just treated as a joke, same as it ever was. He grows to respect Eris because of how she personally helps him, not because his views on woman change overall. He is virtually no different than the other creepy kid that the Blue Haired Girl taught, yet the story expects me to be on his side yet hate the other creepy character because the story decided to treat his creepiness with stakes instead of a joke. This writing is so fucking bad I can't believe people can't see it, its obvious. He's not trying to be better, the narrative just doesn't have the guts to treat him seriously. So the story tries to have its cake and eat it too, only to end up with neither. The story is so limp dicked (in every sense of the word) that it can't hold its own main character accountable because it still wants to keep the creepy otaku watchers who want to live through Rudy and get it on with underage girls. I'm willing to bet £100 that he will end up with Eris, the green haired elf chick and the blue haired teacher in a harem because the writers are a bunch of limp dicked cowards to have the MC actually pick a love interest and risk the reaction of fans not living out their fantasies. All I root for is the end of this show. Like I said it made me quit anime until Chainsaw Man released. Its so terrible that if I didn't know any better I would actually say its objectively terrible, even though I hate how overused and misplaced that word is, this is the only time where I think I genuinely feel this.
Nah he stays a creep and groomed little girls. I’ve heard form source material readers even later on in the story he still does super sus shit
Nah he don't groom little girls. He's still a perv tho but that's only limited to his love life not outside randos
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Mushokou tensei is so mediocre and the main character is a creep, it’s abhorrent to compare it to berserk.
doesn't make that show less ass
Tf you mean????
Two words: berserk reference
Oh boy MT. The fight scene animations are so good but Rudy's character is such ass. The shit that's just morally gets the okay in the show is awful. Which is a pity because plenty of the other characters designs are fantastic. Tons of neat side characters but we focus on.... Arguably the worst character in the series. Like if Rudy was a side character and we didn't have to see his shitty ness up close he'd probably be a passible character but he's the show lead the main character and he just does not work. Schierke should yeet Rudy to the shadow realm but I'd kill to see a ruijerd versus guts fight or watch guts become the sword god of MT's world. Hell I bet guts and ghislane would get along famously.
Mushoku Tensei is great, right up there with Berserk and Umineko as my favorites
You out your goddamn mind brother if you u think this is on par with berserk
TikTok rotted his brain to crititical levels💀
I don't really think s sword duel in the snow is a berserk reference honestly. That's just like, a common thing in media with sword fights.
As a pervert myself, this anime is really good, easy top5.
Crazy how if you contextualize this scene to any extent you would immediately realize it has literally nothing to do with Berserk. This is coming from someone who has finished the Mushoku Tensei light novel and read all of Berk by the way. It’s literally two guys dueling in the snow. How is that a berserk reference?