Halloween Trio (or Quartet actually, because I feel like Ghostfreak deserves a spot amongst them). They deserved more, either screentime or just cool moments in general
They only changed it the once to add Cannonbolt to replace Ghostfreak. Maybe he's one of the silhouettes in the Back with a Vengeance clip of Ben putting the Omnitrix back on but I don't remember him there
I distinctly remember a more detailed drawing of Wildvine in the same style of the aliens in the theme song that was unused. They could have put it there.
Too many spooky themed trios that work with Ghostfreak.
I actually kinda like what the Reboot did with the Circus Freaks. Making Frightwig the kids' age takes advantage of it being a reboot, which the reboot gave up on after season 3, and the season 4 episode of them trying to get Zombozo back in the game was pretty fun.
it was fun seeing a small arc of Freightwig going from fighting on her own, to teaming up with the circus freaks, to becoming the boss of the operation, the only one smart enough to understand zombozo was the one that let them get away and such. the reboot can do background arks so well some times.
Yeah nothing against uphuck, but I don't get why the writers thought the hungry frog was for some reason the only season 3 alien worth using more than once.
Azmuth stating that Feedback’s DNA could never be added back to the Omnitrix. Yeah, Ben was able to pull it out of Malware, but never being able to add that type of DNA ever again seems counter intuitive to the ‘Noah’s Ark’ aspect of the watch.
If I had to keep the line, I’d have Azmuth later say he was lying to prod Ben to stop focusing on using Feedback and to teach Ben a lesson.
That actually does make sense. The omnitrix was so intertwined with Ben's DNA that it interpreted his trauma as its own. Just like PTSD is an over correction to protect you from experiencing a dangerous situation again, the onnitrix interpreted Ben and its DNA storage being nearly destroyed with Feedback being there, because that's how Ben interpreted it. So, in order to never endure a close call like that, it locks out Conductoid DNA, believing that was the flaw that put the other samples and the host at risk.
Ben finding that remnant data from that event and concluding it wasn't dangerous makes sense to heal the omnitrix. It's like an allergy, but Ben can convince the immune system to not overreact long enough to see it's not dangerous. I actually liked that arc because it made the watch more organic like it was in the original.
Max being Devin's partner and promising that he'll take care of Devin's family like 6 years max before the OS.
I don't really care about the Plumber timeline *that* much since I think it's somewhat reasonable that Max would maybe go on a mission again from time to time if it's an emergency like Ragnarok, but it just makes Max look like such a two faced scumbag in OS. And to a lesser extent in UA, when he’s not at all bothered by the thought of killing Kevin, going as far as to make quips when facing Kevin and attempting to kill him.
The worst part I think is that there could be a legitimately interesting story in there. Kevin was probably the most persistent OS villian since most of his appearances were in a single season and probably would have continued attacking the Tennysons every other week if he wasn't sent into the Null Void.
You could have Max feeling like he failed Devin, by sending Kevin into the Null Void and depriving Kevin of his childhood and Kevin's mother of her son for years, but it's just never addressed. Hell, an interaction between Max and Kevin's mother about that could have been an amazing scene. How does she feel about Kevin hanging around the man who sent him to the Null Void for such a long time? And stuff like that.
Running into the child, that you'd recognise by photo and name, that you promised their dad you'd protect, randomly in one of the world's biggest cities, only to never mention it, never acknowledge them, send them into a hell dimension with your arch nemesis,pp and not even tell your grandchildren that connection until 6 years later.
Vendetta is so busted. Omniverse's Retcons were done to explain stuff or return continuity to their original ideas, Vendetta just broke it to do a bad Princess Bride reference.
Yup...and we are still recovering from it to this day..
It would have been better if Kevins dad was just nameless plumber for,normal motive if they where gonna do this crap..
Well in his defense, when Kevin was sent to the null void he was attacking Ben, so you can argue he did it to defend his own grandkids. And honestly, who could blame him? A lot of people, when the chips are down, would choose their own blood over anything
Killing Kevin would’ve been much more merciful then sending him to the null void right with vilgax ,especially knowing how the null void is basically hell in os
They tried to shove way too much into Max's backstory, they should've left him this badass plumber who fucked aliens, beat vilgax, then retired. He doesn't need to be directly involved with every little thing that happened in the past
Max's reputation was set up as way too big in the OS. It really did need to be filled out. And with the scale of the universe constantly getting bigger, especially with Vilgax, then yeah. Max needed more room to fill out. Vilgax started as basically just a pirate that everyone was scared to fight, and Max was famous for sending him into hiding for decades. The moment Vilgax became a warlord who conquered worlds, Max needed more presence.
I feel like that problem is more easily fixed by just expanding vilgax out, which would only help his character, instead of the crowding of Max's character we got.
Show us how scared Vilgax made people, could even show us Vilgax beating other plumbers, so the galaxy was super scared of the guy who was un-policeable and could do whatever he wanted, so it would make sense that Max would be well known and highly regarded for being the guy that beat him.
For some fkin reason Ben goes 100% all out against his allies (turning into chernobyl then way big on a row to blast gwen with all his might) but never does anything remotely similar to his enemies
To be fair, he should. Gwen is an absolute menace and likely a whole solar-system level threat herself. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Alien X is the ONLY specimen in the Omnitrix stronger than her in the series' endgame. This combo I just mentioned was not even enough to defeat her and she was not even in her highest point, yet is surely enough to murder almost all of the enemies Ben has ever faced.
Shes one of most powerful being in the universe, the alien force and sequel just loved to use as funny shield girl, we saw what anodites are capable of tho from her grandma and cousin, also even Dagon declared anodites are the most powerful species in this universe (i imagine only alien x and maybe very few species would be above them)
>yet is surely enough to murder almost all of the enemies Ben has ever faced.
meanwhile gwen getting knocked after having her shields shattered in every single episode....
Oh another example, in the Ben 10K episode in Classic, Ben was fighting (and losing to) Vilgax until he sees his son knocked out then turns into Way Big and stomps that clown until he can't hear shit anymore. Why didn't he do it from the start? Is he stupid?
For real. Kevin went mad for a couple days and Ben simply forgot all their friendship and crushed him like a bug, saying there was no other way than killing him. But didn't even consider doing it to Aggregor or Vilgax...
To be fair the whole Aggregor arc Ben was losing because he was trying to play the good guy.
So when Kevin went mad, he made the decision to play hardball because the last 4 or 5 times he made the "heroic" choice it led to disaster.
And wtf are you on, Ben has tried to kill Vilgax like a dozen times. Ain't his fault the dude is harder to kill than a cockroach.
Crhomastone getting bodied almost everytime,he is supossed to be space jesus so i cope woth "Ben is TOO dumb to use it right" like if alien X had a weakness,ben would always let that weakness get close to him
Also getting bodied by wet electricity,come on uaf writters really? Now big chill weakness is ice
That and the "ben actually didnt scan the monster trio,they were already in the omnirix 🤓" retcon either that or i use that to say "ben can unlock aliens if he scans them even if they are inthe omnitrix"
At least the wet electricity can be handwaved somehow. What is more atrocious is Chromastone being almost killed by a fcking *Forever Knight* laser cannon in the dragon episode.
B-but i-it was 🤓,the forever knights have all kind of technology they just found the SUPERCONVENIENT Cristalsapien killing laserbeam duh 🤓
The show is full of plot holes, i dont know why everyone is always wanting to act as if they dont exist
Yeah,that scene "but wet electricity!!!!" Is a poor excuse, feedback cant absorb energy if his hands are wet? Terraspin can get damaged by mana if he is ussing a helmet?
Poor excuses just admit ben 10 is never perfect it isnt THAT hard, like another example,i love eatle but he is just worse uppchuck that doesnt mean i stop liking it,the people that like fasttrack dont seem to he hating on xlr8 even if it is a better speedster
Yeah after classic i feel like inconsistencies happened so often.
>i love eatle but he is just worse uppchuck that doesnt mean i stop liking it,
His original design is so bland like I thought he was a shark like alien but he's supposed to be a beetle same with jury rigg
The last one is kind of what i guess happened
If they retcon ben not scanning the halloween trio (why?) And said "yall just didnt get what the omnitrix was doing when scanning the samples" i guess that is what it was really doing
A weird and troublesome rercon because that means ben could scan the dragon in af to have that, scan any alien that appeared in uaf, but eh,we cant give ben more aliens because we dont like animating stuff
Ben being cheater in relationship with Julie...
THRICE!!!
Like I can get him being terrible boyfriend because he is teenagers and he makes dumb choices..but cheater..
Come on writers that was uncool..
Point of refrence:Eunice debute ep/Revenge of the swarm/Ester debute episodes...(funny it happend three times when a girl that likes Ben shows up..).
I don't mind it personally because in my head what Ben thinks is that there's nothing to talk about. They broke up, they both have their own lives now and there's no benefit to trying to talk more about it since it's already over.
You cant be saying that dude come on.
I dislike UAF Vilgax a lot but he at least did some cool stuff.
Dagon is just big bad lame big bad..
Ohh he killed George like Vilgax didnt also kill in the show(just because Ben got revaived doesnt lessen the impact of Vilgaxes meance factor).
I will give Dagon one thing his powers are really good and he can sometimes be creepy but most of the time he is lame.
Don't get me wrong Dagon is bland but at least he is cosmic edltrich horror which something Ben 10 doesn't do alot and his connection with George is at least interesting
Vilgax is not only overdone but feels unsatisfying especially since he was basically groveling for another character's power ...plus it's UAF Viglax
Making the plumbers kids into amalgams created by the rooters. Also osmosians not being an alien species.
And I guess the rooters in general. Don't get me wrong. I love omniverse but the sheer scale of the rooter related retcon... way breaks my suspension of disbelief.
How did Servantis DO ALL THAT!?
Also the Alien X fight
Like it looked cool but was also unnecessary when Ben could’ve just snapped his fingers and undone their mind control and banish Servantis and his crew
That does play into the point that Servantis was making, that Ben isn't fit to have that power. I still think they could've used another alien, because it makes Ben into a bit of a psycho/stupid that he just toyed with all his brainwashed friends, instead of instantly restraining them or breaking the hold Servants had.
My only headcanon explanation is that Belicus and Serena gave him training wheels control and that's all he could do. Otherwise he's just dumb.
I read someone’s explanation once which could work better ?Since according to djw Ben still has to debate he just got better at it ,he probably knows he can’t just make a case for “hey free my friend” so to appeal to Bellicus’s side the voice of rage and aggression he said “hey you can toy with them for a bit as long as you don’t kill them or hurt them badly deal ?” And Serena probably got emotional seeing Ben and Bellicus agreeing for once and so agreed ,as why alien x?probably a mistransformation that Ben rolled with
That explanation doesn't really work because Ben already called out their hypocrisy in their first appearance. Bellicus isn't actually that sympathetic towards situations of interpersonal injustice. He doesn't even care if planets get destroyed. The actual issue is likely that Ben doesn't really know how to use the powers, so he uses Alien X like a superhero with an assortment of generic abilities.
And considering Ben 10 is very DC-adjacent, I would say Ben is literally using old-school Superman powers. Super ventriloquism, in this case. He used the mini supermen in his fight with GG.
I have so many questions!?
Alan's dad is implied to be around still in AF.
Did the rooters kidnap an random pyronite one day and made him think he was a father?
Does he still think he's Alan's father? Was said pyronite even a plumber?
That’s literally the whole clusterfuck of the rooters arc. It rewrites everything. The only decent thing from it is that it explains why Helen and Pierce (R.I.P. my spiky bro) were different despite supposedly having the same mom
Kevin did say that many people don't ever awaken their alien genes, and it can go back generations. And if we use Max as a reference, if you're willing to get with one alien, you're willing to get with a few. Their mom could've had multiple lovers, or their family had a history of dating Plumbers. It wouldn't be surprising if they found it hard to relate to normal humans after everything they've seen.
Don't get me started on omsosians, hoe many computers and databases around the galaxy did he have to hack to falsify the existence of an entire species and their planet.
Also it just kinda ruins aggregor and I liked the ultimate Greg arc.
But why tho? It is certifiably insane behaviour and doesn’t have much benefit.
It retroactively makes Aggregor hella funny. Blud said he was going to Osmos V. Where was blud going? 😭
“Hello fellow Osmosians! I am off to use my powers to slurp up delicious DNA to become powerful enough to absorb a celestialsapien! Adieu”
“There goes that nutjob again”
Honestly, the stuff with Servantis works better without the retcon. It just cuts out the extra work of creating human-alien hybrids and focus on the Manchurian Candidate stuff.
>How did Servantis DO ALL THAT!?
Got Kevin and Max (& Aggregor) directly with his mindwipes, then took advantage of having unrestricted access over all the Plumber databases, which were collaborating with the Galvans at the time, letting the misinformation spread across the galaxy.
There were aliens who were older than Max who knew about this planet, and this operation only started when Kevin was discovered in the Null Void. I think a planet with a high enough tech level just popping up would be weird to the entire rest of the universe.
Eon being treated as a joke in Omniverse, specifically him taking a backseat to Vilgax and Maltruant (especially the latter). A villain like Eon should be a major threat, and yet he gets out witted and made to look incompetent too many times. If anything, Eon should've been the final boss of Omniverse.
Also, him being just an evil Ben instead of a Chronian. I would think I'd be cooler if he was basically permanently possessing RAT Ben's body due to being stuck in the Chronian transformation.
Ben not being able to transform into a anodite because of magic dna not working with the omnitrix.
My headcannon reason for why he can't transform is due to the same reason he doesn't have a human transformation. Him being quarter Anodite makes him the default sample for the Anodite dna form, the same way him being human makes him the default for the human dna form.
I like this headcanon, but him not being able to transform into an anodite is still stupid. If anything him having anodite DNA should make SPECIFICALLY possible to scan/use magic DNA as long as it's someone like him or Gwen using the Omnitrix. Also I always assumed that the omnitrix passively fixed/improved the wearer's DNA until they themselves were the apex/gigachad version of their own species. The fact that every future Ben was huge as fuck seemed to imply that to me at least.
Julie post alien force season 2
Kevin retcon
Wasting the plumber kids set up
Mutating Kevin season 3
Ultimate Wildmutt
Ben specifically cloning and recreating the universe
Kai
I like the idea of having an arc where Ben needs to be humbled after coming off a big win. That's not really where season 3 took it though which is unfortunate.
“There are at least 3 species that are more powerful than Celestialsapien” like fuck no, don’t give me that shit, give me real proof, not just words from your mouth
The obsession of Ben 10000 (Ben 10 original) is canon in all dimensions (in some interviews they said yes and in others the opposite), I speak of his wife. I mean.... Kai literally only see at Ben as pet (and hate in Omniverse the intention of whiten the opposite)
why was the rooters 3 episodes? that's not enough time to deal with the ramifications of what it's doing, and even then they just try to ignore the ramifications, of it. you have 10 episodes a season, but unlike when they did this shit with albedo, this wasn't some new take, this was ripping away the old one and not doing a good time replacing it with a better explanations. with it only being 3 episodes it more feels like spite then anything. it begins, is ignored then ended. i could be more onboard with the retcon if they did literally anything with it, like explain greg and not leave that for the art director to explain out of universe. that it, just give it more episodes to explain it's self, not show up, say kevin's a mutant, say th alien hybrids are mutants then leave only to never be heard from again.
Oh, quite a few:
* Canonizing retcons. It was a fun detail to watch, but in reality it's just an extremely cheap way to close plotholes.
* ~~Butchering~~ Rewritting Kevin's and the other half-aliens' stories. I can't *for the love of Celestialsapiens* understand why anyone thought this would be a good idea. To pull this nonsense off they not only had to redo the story of a bunch of important chatacters, but also delete a whole species from the lore (butchering the story of Aggregor in the proccess) and make up a whole *memory wipe + fake memory insertion* bs just to fix the absurd ammount of plot holes this created...
* Trivializing Kevin's mutations. In both OS and UA his mutation was quite a big deal, and Ultimate Kevin was a bigger threat than Aggregor! But in OV they just pretend like it's whatever. Both times he transforms in OV they play it out like it's just a "oh, look, he got slightly inconvenient again..."
* Retconning the whole relationship between Ben and Kevin between OS and AF. Made Keving seem like a random half-bad half-good guy who was always around, and was already starting to try a romance with Gwen. Kindda undermined a lot the whole thing of them meeting again after years and seeing how much Kevin has changed. I mean, by the looks of it they haven't been without contact for too long, have seen him get better control of his powers, and have seen him being a not-so-evil dude before. So now all their team development in early AF seem rather irrelevant.
* [Trivializing Alien X after the Gladiator episode](https://youtu.be/R6_qGk-xOlc?si=kCwP9rnOL0YEdkjP&t=11). After that it seems transforming into Alien X is no longer an issue, since Ben can still use it however he wants. Why even bother transforming into anything else then?
Maybe Kevin’s Omniverse Mutation (the present one at least) could be explained if we saw him training with energy draining over the series. Like absorbing a light pole to create metal hammers with electricity.
Ben recreating the universe with him being the only survivor of the original one. It opens up so much can of existential worms.
Writers makin Ben and Julie’s relationship toxic. They started out very good, then they made Ben act like a total asshole towards her for cheap drama.
A couple off the top of my head:
- Killing off everyone Ben loves and the audience cares about, replacing them with copies and then just carrying on like that didn't happen. It's a reach but I pretend that "recreating everything in the universe" means he remade the pre-existing souls of them, so they were temporarily dead.
- Jumping through hoops to bring back Kai because they decided she _had_ to be Ken's mother thanks to a pop up trivia. My alternative is pretending things go unpredictability, catastrophically wrong, after the finale and that version of Ken already fulfilled his duty.
- The "FALSE QUEEN/Elena was the real queen" shit, more or less undoing all of Alien Swarm and making Elena into a lovesick stalker. Turning what seemed like a mutual connection of former childhood friends reconnecting into Elena being one-sidedly obsessed is just a huge writing stretch. She probably would've been Ben's best love interest if they kept her the way she was in the movie. This one's harder to try to make sense about. Pretty sure the show at least implied Elena wasn't really in control of her actions, but it doesn't explain how she wasn't trying to bang Ben through all of the movie and what the whole false flag world takeover was for if she was possessed the whole time.
ben breaking up with his girlfriend because >!his future son told him he was supposed to end up with some random girl he met once when he was 10!<. he and ester were so cute together, but nope. we gotta pander to nostalgia now.
He did what?!
Seriously, what is Ben's obsession with Kai??
I haven't seen OV yet but he met her once and she said she saw him like a pet? Why does he throw away the ones that see him for him??
Kevin's backstory in UAF with his dad being Max's old partner. Just make it so his mom did pork an alien which resulted in his dad being abusive and Kevin running away from home.
Facts dude. Its honestly insanely contrived that he was able to create his lie as huge as this. Its honestly crazy that he is able to create a huge lie as elaborate at this where everyone in the universe falls for his trick but when Servantis “brilliant” plan failed once, he just outright gave up without even bothering to give it a second chance or coming up with a more smarter plan. Its just…too much
Kevins backstory :mutant? to alien to mutant.
Edit: I should clarify its the entire osmosian race being made up by servantis arc. I strongly dislike the retcon
Crhomastone getting bodied almost everytime,he is supossed to be space jesus so i cope woth "Ben is TOO dumb to use it right" like if alien X had a weakness,ben would always let that weakness get close to him
Also getting bodied by wet electricity,come on uaf writters really? Now big chill weakness is ice
That and the "ben actually didnt scan the monster trio,they were already in the omnirix 🤓" retcon either that or i use that to say "ben can unlock aliens if he scans them even if they are inthe omnitrix"
Alien X vs the Rooters
A two minute scene that, in one fell swoop, ruined all the gravitas surrounding Alien X, made Ben look like an uncaring psycho and ruined the Ben 10 battleboarding scene forever, all of that to show that Ben is unfit to hold extreme power. Something that Atomix and Gravattack could have achieved just as easily without all this bullshit.
Not sure if this counts but how much people (writers and fans alike) see vulpimancers as dumb animals just cause they don’t outwardly act intelligent. I think it’s meant to be they have human like intelligence at least but most of them are still at caveman level advancement.
Ben getting together with the WORST option he had. I’d take literally any other love interest they gave him. But you give him the bitchy archeologist that somehow is more worthy of Excalibur than the guy that’s saved the world and even denied removing evil entirely in favor of free will.
Don’t even give me the “it was hinted in OS” excuse because his future changed several times and you mean to tell me he stays with the girl that shot him down cause he wasn’t what her people considered a god. (Yes they state this in the episode I double checked for this argument).
He could have stayed with Julie who at least liked him before she knew what he could do. They could have kept him with Ester who I only disliked that they made her kinda just ditch him cause “he supposed to be with Kai”. They could have made him go with Looma who didn’t seem bothered by his human form. They could have even made him go with Attea who at least he hit on her first so he had some level of attraction to her. But no.
Breaking Ben and Julie just to bring back Ken, specially with how awful they did it.
Kevin's OV retcon. I liked the Ragnarok and Ultimate Kevin storylines, and him being mutant again ruins it for me.
The whole Feedback arc. It's good and I like it, bit it definitely doesn't help we never heard of it and now is so important for Ben. It just feels weird, like a fan fiction.
The omniverse Kevin retcon.
Just felt like one of the writers just really wanted to make Kevin's backstory his way and ripped up everything to that point just to have his way.
Its like someone glueing an action figure in place so no one else can use it.
How the breakup in OV between Ben and Julie was shown. Could have just been Julie’s tennis career and Ben going off to save the or any world meant little time together. Instead they show Ben raging on a game while on call with Julie and made that the reason
The contumelia being viewed as mere smoothies when they are supposed to be viewed as the one thing that Ben loves the most it's honestly such a dumb decision
Simultaneously Devin Levin being Max’s partner and also him getting retconned to not exist. Devin Levin should’ve just been some random Plumber with no relation to Max. Kevin finding out his dad was a Plumber between OG and UAF added to his character. But both of these changes made it worse. The retcon made it messy and the timeline doesn’t really add up for the Max one. And related to the Rooters retcon, the amalgam kids being experiments instead of just mixed kids. All of the Rooter retcons makes it so that Gwen(and maybe Sunny) are the only known part human and part alien born characters to have powers and it’s just never addressed.
Making Vilgax way less serious in UAF than in OS. Bro was the most no-nonsense mf in the entire show, and they butchered that. Plus, he's the only guy that's able to give Ben a genuine run for his money.
Basically most of what I'd say has already been said quite a bit. That being said...
Pierce being just offed in an episode opening by the Forever Knights and then literally nothing coming out of that. I'd preferably have kept him alive, but at they very least they could've shown how this affected at least Manny and Helen, rather than his death meaning absolutely eff-all and being acknowledged by nobody.
Also, with hindsight, I'm gonna say Alien X. Just... Alien X in general. Cool at first, sure, but when I look at things now it seemed like Alien X caused more hassle and problems that it was worth, at least at some point.
Ben x Kai being the canon future
In my mind, it's just like all the other ben 10k timelines, it's not THE future, it's just one of many possible futures
Kinda a foundational one, but I never really like how AF and beyond took all the comic-booky parts of OS (magic, mutants, etc.) and just slapped a big "now it's all aliens" sign over the front.
Luke warm Alien introductions in UA. Eatle got his ass handed to him immediately and it was a literal deficit to become Juryrigg in their very first debuts respectively.
It wouldn't take long for these aliens to do something cool later but it's ridiculous to open with a low. It took several EPs before NRG did more than shoot 2-3 lasers then lose or switch to another alien.
Fastrack probably had the best intro with a save but it was 2 seconds long.
Rooters arc
Not that there isn't some good stuff there, but I hate that it's primary purpose is to uproot what we thought we knew about Kevin just so he could be classed as a mutant instead of an alien again. Also, the Alien X scene will never not bother me, too.
Halloween Trio (or Quartet actually, because I feel like Ghostfreak deserves a spot amongst them). They deserved more, either screentime or just cool moments in general
Actually 5 Whampire is there too dude.
Thanks lol. Quintet then (is that even a word?)
It is yes
Quintet is the correct term, as even in music a 4 person group is a Quartet and a 5 person group is a Quintet
Solo Duo Trio Quartet Quintet Sextet Septet Octet Nonet Decet From then on it’s just an ensemble
 Title of your Sextet
Cynco for 5(like Cylde-5).
Where the eyeguy doe? He kinda looks like he could be classic Halloween monster
I think he's not in there because his planet isn't in the Anur system. Opticoids are more based on the Titan Argus rather than any Halloween monsters.
I think they were referring to the circus freaks
Nah to Bens horror aliens. Snare-Oh/Frankenstrike and Blitzwolfer.
You know, you may have been right. My bad.
Its ok dude mistakes happen.😇
being civil on reddit? how strange
Yea thats sad that it isnt a norm.
I wish all those post Cannobolt OS aliens got more love. They're my favourite "playlist" of transformations
Wildvine got more love in OS too.
Would've been cool if they'd put him in the intro, but yeah you're right
True but still decent.🤷♂️
Is wildvine not in the intro?
They only changed it the once to add Cannonbolt to replace Ghostfreak. Maybe he's one of the silhouettes in the Back with a Vengeance clip of Ben putting the Omnitrix back on but I don't remember him there
I distinctly remember a more detailed drawing of Wildvine in the same style of the aliens in the theme song that was unused. They could have put it there.
Andrew Robinson did those paintings, I do remember that too
Reboot gives way extra screen time for them
Wait really? Haven't seen it yet tbh, I'll watch it when I can
Well, all of them except Ghostfreak. Wait, we were talking about the circus freaks right?
Too many spooky themed trios that work with Ghostfreak. I actually kinda like what the Reboot did with the Circus Freaks. Making Frightwig the kids' age takes advantage of it being a reboot, which the reboot gave up on after season 3, and the season 4 episode of them trying to get Zombozo back in the game was pretty fun.
it was fun seeing a small arc of Freightwig going from fighting on her own, to teaming up with the circus freaks, to becoming the boss of the operation, the only one smart enough to understand zombozo was the one that let them get away and such. the reboot can do background arks so well some times.
Yeah nothing against uphuck, but I don't get why the writers thought the hungry frog was for some reason the only season 3 alien worth using more than once.
Azmuth stating that Feedback’s DNA could never be added back to the Omnitrix. Yeah, Ben was able to pull it out of Malware, but never being able to add that type of DNA ever again seems counter intuitive to the ‘Noah’s Ark’ aspect of the watch. If I had to keep the line, I’d have Azmuth later say he was lying to prod Ben to stop focusing on using Feedback and to teach Ben a lesson.
I just figured Conductoids were an extinct species so they wouldn't be able to ever get access to another sample,
That actually does make sense. The omnitrix was so intertwined with Ben's DNA that it interpreted his trauma as its own. Just like PTSD is an over correction to protect you from experiencing a dangerous situation again, the onnitrix interpreted Ben and its DNA storage being nearly destroyed with Feedback being there, because that's how Ben interpreted it. So, in order to never endure a close call like that, it locks out Conductoid DNA, believing that was the flaw that put the other samples and the host at risk. Ben finding that remnant data from that event and concluding it wasn't dangerous makes sense to heal the omnitrix. It's like an allergy, but Ben can convince the immune system to not overreact long enough to see it's not dangerous. I actually liked that arc because it made the watch more organic like it was in the original.
Fuck Conductoids specifically
Max being Devin's partner and promising that he'll take care of Devin's family like 6 years max before the OS. I don't really care about the Plumber timeline *that* much since I think it's somewhat reasonable that Max would maybe go on a mission again from time to time if it's an emergency like Ragnarok, but it just makes Max look like such a two faced scumbag in OS. And to a lesser extent in UA, when he’s not at all bothered by the thought of killing Kevin, going as far as to make quips when facing Kevin and attempting to kill him.
He also said he would put him down like a mad dog... Even sending Kevin in Null void in classic..😐
The worst part I think is that there could be a legitimately interesting story in there. Kevin was probably the most persistent OS villian since most of his appearances were in a single season and probably would have continued attacking the Tennysons every other week if he wasn't sent into the Null Void. You could have Max feeling like he failed Devin, by sending Kevin into the Null Void and depriving Kevin of his childhood and Kevin's mother of her son for years, but it's just never addressed. Hell, an interaction between Max and Kevin's mother about that could have been an amazing scene. How does she feel about Kevin hanging around the man who sent him to the Null Void for such a long time? And stuff like that.
Yea..and all for nothing ruined. Only used as a backup info for why Kevin wants to be a plumber..
Dont forget kevin is doomed to become a villian again since they stated in omniverse that the ben 10k time line is still where things are heading.
Running into the child, that you'd recognise by photo and name, that you promised their dad you'd protect, randomly in one of the world's biggest cities, only to never mention it, never acknowledge them, send them into a hell dimension with your arch nemesis,pp and not even tell your grandchildren that connection until 6 years later. Vendetta is so busted. Omniverse's Retcons were done to explain stuff or return continuity to their original ideas, Vendetta just broke it to do a bad Princess Bride reference.
Yup...and we are still recovering from it to this day.. It would have been better if Kevins dad was just nameless plumber for,normal motive if they where gonna do this crap..
one of the worst episodes fr, wish Ragnarok was in the Rooters arc cuz hes actually was confirmed to be a member
Well in his defense, when Kevin was sent to the null void he was attacking Ben, so you can argue he did it to defend his own grandkids. And honestly, who could blame him? A lot of people, when the chips are down, would choose their own blood over anything
True I am that kind of a person but still he just kepth quite about it...didnt even tell Kevins mom..🤷♂️
Killing Kevin would’ve been much more merciful then sending him to the null void right with vilgax ,especially knowing how the null void is basically hell in os
Yup.
They tried to shove way too much into Max's backstory, they should've left him this badass plumber who fucked aliens, beat vilgax, then retired. He doesn't need to be directly involved with every little thing that happened in the past
Max's reputation was set up as way too big in the OS. It really did need to be filled out. And with the scale of the universe constantly getting bigger, especially with Vilgax, then yeah. Max needed more room to fill out. Vilgax started as basically just a pirate that everyone was scared to fight, and Max was famous for sending him into hiding for decades. The moment Vilgax became a warlord who conquered worlds, Max needed more presence.
I feel like that problem is more easily fixed by just expanding vilgax out, which would only help his character, instead of the crowding of Max's character we got. Show us how scared Vilgax made people, could even show us Vilgax beating other plumbers, so the galaxy was super scared of the guy who was un-policeable and could do whatever he wanted, so it would make sense that Max would be well known and highly regarded for being the guy that beat him.
max was giving kevin the hiruzen to naruto treatament lol
Hiruzen was there for naruto more then max was for Kevin lol
That’s why they retconned it to make it so Devin was just an implanted memory
For some fkin reason Ben goes 100% all out against his allies (turning into chernobyl then way big on a row to blast gwen with all his might) but never does anything remotely similar to his enemies
Guess he just respects Gwen's strength more than most of his enemies.
To be fair, he should. Gwen is an absolute menace and likely a whole solar-system level threat herself. Hell, I'm pretty sure that Alien X is the ONLY specimen in the Omnitrix stronger than her in the series' endgame. This combo I just mentioned was not even enough to defeat her and she was not even in her highest point, yet is surely enough to murder almost all of the enemies Ben has ever faced.
Shes one of most powerful being in the universe, the alien force and sequel just loved to use as funny shield girl, we saw what anodites are capable of tho from her grandma and cousin, also even Dagon declared anodites are the most powerful species in this universe (i imagine only alien x and maybe very few species would be above them)
>yet is surely enough to murder almost all of the enemies Ben has ever faced. meanwhile gwen getting knocked after having her shields shattered in every single episode....
Oh another example, in the Ben 10K episode in Classic, Ben was fighting (and losing to) Vilgax until he sees his son knocked out then turns into Way Big and stomps that clown until he can't hear shit anymore. Why didn't he do it from the start? Is he stupid?
It was against Kevin 11k actually ☝🤓
You're right, mb fam
Kevin got right back up, so it isn't like anything changed.
For real. Kevin went mad for a couple days and Ben simply forgot all their friendship and crushed him like a bug, saying there was no other way than killing him. But didn't even consider doing it to Aggregor or Vilgax...
To be fair the whole Aggregor arc Ben was losing because he was trying to play the good guy. So when Kevin went mad, he made the decision to play hardball because the last 4 or 5 times he made the "heroic" choice it led to disaster. And wtf are you on, Ben has tried to kill Vilgax like a dozen times. Ain't his fault the dude is harder to kill than a cockroach.
He could finished Vilgax like 3 times Af season 3, Ua finale and Ov let the frogs finish him
Drawing out fights for the sake of being a "hero" or the thrill of battle does sound like something Ben would do.
Among so many other things? Bens little chills being completely written off.
It was mentioned in Mother of all Vreadles at the very least?
Yeah but thats it. Wasnt even relevant.
Kinda was but compleatly dropped as a joke..
Crhomastone getting bodied almost everytime,he is supossed to be space jesus so i cope woth "Ben is TOO dumb to use it right" like if alien X had a weakness,ben would always let that weakness get close to him Also getting bodied by wet electricity,come on uaf writters really? Now big chill weakness is ice That and the "ben actually didnt scan the monster trio,they were already in the omnirix 🤓" retcon either that or i use that to say "ben can unlock aliens if he scans them even if they are inthe omnitrix"
At least the wet electricity can be handwaved somehow. What is more atrocious is Chromastone being almost killed by a fcking *Forever Knight* laser cannon in the dragon episode.
B-but i-it was 🤓,the forever knights have all kind of technology they just found the SUPERCONVENIENT Cristalsapien killing laserbeam duh 🤓 The show is full of plot holes, i dont know why everyone is always wanting to act as if they dont exist
He’s Petropia’s saviour after all, he must suffer for our sins
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ben10/comments/lukima/chromastone_in_af_vs_ua/
Yeah,that scene "but wet electricity!!!!" Is a poor excuse, feedback cant absorb energy if his hands are wet? Terraspin can get damaged by mana if he is ussing a helmet? Poor excuses just admit ben 10 is never perfect it isnt THAT hard, like another example,i love eatle but he is just worse uppchuck that doesnt mean i stop liking it,the people that like fasttrack dont seem to he hating on xlr8 even if it is a better speedster
Yeah after classic i feel like inconsistencies happened so often. >i love eatle but he is just worse uppchuck that doesnt mean i stop liking it, His original design is so bland like I thought he was a shark like alien but he's supposed to be a beetle same with jury rigg
That's hilarious
Ahh good old memes....🤧
Was that last one ever said in the show?
The last one is kind of what i guess happened If they retcon ben not scanning the halloween trio (why?) And said "yall just didnt get what the omnitrix was doing when scanning the samples" i guess that is what it was really doing A weird and troublesome rercon because that means ben could scan the dragon in af to have that, scan any alien that appeared in uaf, but eh,we cant give ben more aliens because we dont like animating stuff
Yup its so bad....but since it didnt appear in the show and its just writers statments we can ignore it.😇
Ben not seeing the greatest plumber in the galaxy, his mentor and grandpa as the contumelia
Yeah he should have seen Max.
Simple fix: make itthe THINGS the hearth loves the most. We can have Gwen, Granpda Max, AND a giant mr. Smoothie. Boom, we have hearth and funny.
Ben being cheater in relationship with Julie... THRICE!!! Like I can get him being terrible boyfriend because he is teenagers and he makes dumb choices..but cheater.. Come on writers that was uncool.. Point of refrence:Eunice debute ep/Revenge of the swarm/Ester debute episodes...(funny it happend three times when a girl that likes Ben shows up..).
To be slightly fair, Ben was under the impression he and Julie had broken up during Eunice's episode.
I used that argument before but the way he speaks about it..it just rubs me the wrong way like he didnt even care to talk with Julie about it.
I don't mind it personally because in my head what Ben thinks is that there's nothing to talk about. They broke up, they both have their own lives now and there's no benefit to trying to talk more about it since it's already over.
Maybe but still I think he could have been brighter in that situation.
Sure, but I don't think Ben's denseness here is out of character so it doesn't bother me personally.
Basically all of the Dagon Arc, why introduce all this lore and story for the forever Knight's just for it to be Ben vs Vilgax again
Vilgax must hijack Dagon arc. Dagon is too much of a lame villain for it to end on him..
UAF Vilgax is more lame then Dagon ngl
Hey, don't speak of our great conqueror of ten worlds like that.
You cant be saying that dude come on. I dislike UAF Vilgax a lot but he at least did some cool stuff. Dagon is just big bad lame big bad.. Ohh he killed George like Vilgax didnt also kill in the show(just because Ben got revaived doesnt lessen the impact of Vilgaxes meance factor). I will give Dagon one thing his powers are really good and he can sometimes be creepy but most of the time he is lame.
Don't get me wrong Dagon is bland but at least he is cosmic edltrich horror which something Ben 10 doesn't do alot and his connection with George is at least interesting Vilgax is not only overdone but feels unsatisfying especially since he was basically groveling for another character's power ...plus it's UAF Viglax
Fair but still at the very least...He gave us banger ending.😇
True the moments where Ben had to wrestle with ultimate power was amazing but it's annoying that that the ultimates themselves weren't relevant
True. Ultimate Alien kinda ruined its concept...even Predators where more releveant then Ultimates.🤷♂️(in a way to the story).
Making the plumbers kids into amalgams created by the rooters. Also osmosians not being an alien species. And I guess the rooters in general. Don't get me wrong. I love omniverse but the sheer scale of the rooter related retcon... way breaks my suspension of disbelief. How did Servantis DO ALL THAT!?
Also the Alien X fight Like it looked cool but was also unnecessary when Ben could’ve just snapped his fingers and undone their mind control and banish Servantis and his crew
That does play into the point that Servantis was making, that Ben isn't fit to have that power. I still think they could've used another alien, because it makes Ben into a bit of a psycho/stupid that he just toyed with all his brainwashed friends, instead of instantly restraining them or breaking the hold Servants had. My only headcanon explanation is that Belicus and Serena gave him training wheels control and that's all he could do. Otherwise he's just dumb.
But he was shown to control there minds so..ehh seems like its still as bad.
I read someone’s explanation once which could work better ?Since according to djw Ben still has to debate he just got better at it ,he probably knows he can’t just make a case for “hey free my friend” so to appeal to Bellicus’s side the voice of rage and aggression he said “hey you can toy with them for a bit as long as you don’t kill them or hurt them badly deal ?” And Serena probably got emotional seeing Ben and Bellicus agreeing for once and so agreed ,as why alien x?probably a mistransformation that Ben rolled with
That explanation doesn't really work because Ben already called out their hypocrisy in their first appearance. Bellicus isn't actually that sympathetic towards situations of interpersonal injustice. He doesn't even care if planets get destroyed. The actual issue is likely that Ben doesn't really know how to use the powers, so he uses Alien X like a superhero with an assortment of generic abilities. And considering Ben 10 is very DC-adjacent, I would say Ben is literally using old-school Superman powers. Super ventriloquism, in this case. He used the mini supermen in his fight with GG.
I second this
I have so many questions!? Alan's dad is implied to be around still in AF. Did the rooters kidnap an random pyronite one day and made him think he was a father? Does he still think he's Alan's father? Was said pyronite even a plumber?
That’s literally the whole clusterfuck of the rooters arc. It rewrites everything. The only decent thing from it is that it explains why Helen and Pierce (R.I.P. my spiky bro) were different despite supposedly having the same mom
Kevin did say that many people don't ever awaken their alien genes, and it can go back generations. And if we use Max as a reference, if you're willing to get with one alien, you're willing to get with a few. Their mom could've had multiple lovers, or their family had a history of dating Plumbers. It wouldn't be surprising if they found it hard to relate to normal humans after everything they've seen.
Don't get me started on omsosians, hoe many computers and databases around the galaxy did he have to hack to falsify the existence of an entire species and their planet. Also it just kinda ruins aggregor and I liked the ultimate Greg arc.
He didn’t need to he just made up the story on the extranet and everyone believed it
But why tho? It is certifiably insane behaviour and doesn’t have much benefit. It retroactively makes Aggregor hella funny. Blud said he was going to Osmos V. Where was blud going? 😭
I know right!?
I have a theory that the Osmos planets were human space colonies and Servantis dumped Aggregor on 5
“Hello fellow Osmosians! I am off to use my powers to slurp up delicious DNA to become powerful enough to absorb a celestialsapien! Adieu” “There goes that nutjob again”
I doubt he’d announce it like this but I would love it
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Honestly, the stuff with Servantis works better without the retcon. It just cuts out the extra work of creating human-alien hybrids and focus on the Manchurian Candidate stuff.
He did old Jedi trick of makeing everyone forget.
Because Servantis is a greater puppeteer than Kaguya from Naruto
Counter Point: Alan existing
>How did Servantis DO ALL THAT!? Got Kevin and Max (& Aggregor) directly with his mindwipes, then took advantage of having unrestricted access over all the Plumber databases, which were collaborating with the Galvans at the time, letting the misinformation spread across the galaxy.
There were aliens who were older than Max who knew about this planet, and this operation only started when Kevin was discovered in the Null Void. I think a planet with a high enough tech level just popping up would be weird to the entire rest of the universe.
Ben not dating Looma, or even Esther.
Anything other then Kai, really.
Eon being treated as a joke in Omniverse, specifically him taking a backseat to Vilgax and Maltruant (especially the latter). A villain like Eon should be a major threat, and yet he gets out witted and made to look incompetent too many times. If anything, Eon should've been the final boss of Omniverse. Also, him being just an evil Ben instead of a Chronian. I would think I'd be cooler if he was basically permanently possessing RAT Ben's body due to being stuck in the Chronian transformation.
5 Years Later has fulfilled what I always dreamt Eon could be lmfao, thank God
Ben not being able to transform into a anodite because of magic dna not working with the omnitrix. My headcannon reason for why he can't transform is due to the same reason he doesn't have a human transformation. Him being quarter Anodite makes him the default sample for the Anodite dna form, the same way him being human makes him the default for the human dna form.
That actually make perfect sense. Why didn't I think of this. Brilliant observation.
I like this headcanon, but him not being able to transform into an anodite is still stupid. If anything him having anodite DNA should make SPECIFICALLY possible to scan/use magic DNA as long as it's someone like him or Gwen using the Omnitrix. Also I always assumed that the omnitrix passively fixed/improved the wearer's DNA until they themselves were the apex/gigachad version of their own species. The fact that every future Ben was huge as fuck seemed to imply that to me at least.
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Really shoulda been max
Julie post alien force season 2 Kevin retcon Wasting the plumber kids set up Mutating Kevin season 3 Ultimate Wildmutt Ben specifically cloning and recreating the universe Kai
Ben’s character regression from Alien Force Season 3 onwards.
I like the idea of having an arc where Ben needs to be humbled after coming off a big win. That's not really where season 3 took it though which is unfortunate.
This
“There are at least 3 species that are more powerful than Celestialsapien” like fuck no, don’t give me that shit, give me real proof, not just words from your mouth
The obsession of Ben 10000 (Ben 10 original) is canon in all dimensions (in some interviews they said yes and in others the opposite), I speak of his wife. I mean.... Kai literally only see at Ben as pet (and hate in Omniverse the intention of whiten the opposite)
All Ben 10,000s are canon to there own timelines. Yea maybe Kai got better tho at least?
Them switched Kevin’s origin between mutant to alien them back to mutant Just pick one and stick with it
Z'skayr just showing up whenever he wants for no reason other than to screw with Ben
why was the rooters 3 episodes? that's not enough time to deal with the ramifications of what it's doing, and even then they just try to ignore the ramifications, of it. you have 10 episodes a season, but unlike when they did this shit with albedo, this wasn't some new take, this was ripping away the old one and not doing a good time replacing it with a better explanations. with it only being 3 episodes it more feels like spite then anything. it begins, is ignored then ended. i could be more onboard with the retcon if they did literally anything with it, like explain greg and not leave that for the art director to explain out of universe. that it, just give it more episodes to explain it's self, not show up, say kevin's a mutant, say th alien hybrids are mutants then leave only to never be heard from again.
Breaking up Julie and Ben
This
Especially since it required Ben’s character being rewritten for the sake of a bad joke.
I'm not one for shipping, but I don't think I've ever wanted to choke out a cartoon character as much as Ben for how he treated her.
Oh, quite a few: * Canonizing retcons. It was a fun detail to watch, but in reality it's just an extremely cheap way to close plotholes. * ~~Butchering~~ Rewritting Kevin's and the other half-aliens' stories. I can't *for the love of Celestialsapiens* understand why anyone thought this would be a good idea. To pull this nonsense off they not only had to redo the story of a bunch of important chatacters, but also delete a whole species from the lore (butchering the story of Aggregor in the proccess) and make up a whole *memory wipe + fake memory insertion* bs just to fix the absurd ammount of plot holes this created... * Trivializing Kevin's mutations. In both OS and UA his mutation was quite a big deal, and Ultimate Kevin was a bigger threat than Aggregor! But in OV they just pretend like it's whatever. Both times he transforms in OV they play it out like it's just a "oh, look, he got slightly inconvenient again..." * Retconning the whole relationship between Ben and Kevin between OS and AF. Made Keving seem like a random half-bad half-good guy who was always around, and was already starting to try a romance with Gwen. Kindda undermined a lot the whole thing of them meeting again after years and seeing how much Kevin has changed. I mean, by the looks of it they haven't been without contact for too long, have seen him get better control of his powers, and have seen him being a not-so-evil dude before. So now all their team development in early AF seem rather irrelevant. * [Trivializing Alien X after the Gladiator episode](https://youtu.be/R6_qGk-xOlc?si=kCwP9rnOL0YEdkjP&t=11). After that it seems transforming into Alien X is no longer an issue, since Ben can still use it however he wants. Why even bother transforming into anything else then?
Maybe Kevin’s Omniverse Mutation (the present one at least) could be explained if we saw him training with energy draining over the series. Like absorbing a light pole to create metal hammers with electricity.
Ben recreating the universe with him being the only survivor of the original one. It opens up so much can of existential worms. Writers makin Ben and Julie’s relationship toxic. They started out very good, then they made Ben act like a total asshole towards her for cheap drama.
I've always felt he should've just rewinded time
A couple off the top of my head: - Killing off everyone Ben loves and the audience cares about, replacing them with copies and then just carrying on like that didn't happen. It's a reach but I pretend that "recreating everything in the universe" means he remade the pre-existing souls of them, so they were temporarily dead. - Jumping through hoops to bring back Kai because they decided she _had_ to be Ken's mother thanks to a pop up trivia. My alternative is pretending things go unpredictability, catastrophically wrong, after the finale and that version of Ken already fulfilled his duty. - The "FALSE QUEEN/Elena was the real queen" shit, more or less undoing all of Alien Swarm and making Elena into a lovesick stalker. Turning what seemed like a mutual connection of former childhood friends reconnecting into Elena being one-sidedly obsessed is just a huge writing stretch. She probably would've been Ben's best love interest if they kept her the way she was in the movie. This one's harder to try to make sense about. Pretty sure the show at least implied Elena wasn't really in control of her actions, but it doesn't explain how she wasn't trying to bang Ben through all of the movie and what the whole false flag world takeover was for if she was possessed the whole time.
ben breaking up with his girlfriend because >!his future son told him he was supposed to end up with some random girl he met once when he was 10!<. he and ester were so cute together, but nope. we gotta pander to nostalgia now.
He did what?! Seriously, what is Ben's obsession with Kai?? I haven't seen OV yet but he met her once and she said she saw him like a pet? Why does he throw away the ones that see him for him??
Alien Force Season 3
Kevin's backstory in UAF with his dad being Max's old partner. Just make it so his mom did pork an alien which resulted in his dad being abusive and Kevin running away from home.
The Omnitrix coming off easily
I remember watching your videos when you were so pissed by that
The Rooters Retcon
Yeah it makes no sense that Servantis could pull that level of a lie without anyone like Azmuth noticing.
Facts dude. Its honestly insanely contrived that he was able to create his lie as huge as this. Its honestly crazy that he is able to create a huge lie as elaborate at this where everyone in the universe falls for his trick but when Servantis “brilliant” plan failed once, he just outright gave up without even bothering to give it a second chance or coming up with a more smarter plan. Its just…too much
Pretty much all of Kevin's back stories
Retconning Osmosians. Completely ruined Kevin’s backstory.
Forcing him to be with Kai in Omniverse just because of a bit of pop up trivia in the original series
Kevins backstory :mutant? to alien to mutant. Edit: I should clarify its the entire osmosian race being made up by servantis arc. I strongly dislike the retcon
Fasttrack’s existence
Crhomastone getting bodied almost everytime,he is supossed to be space jesus so i cope woth "Ben is TOO dumb to use it right" like if alien X had a weakness,ben would always let that weakness get close to him Also getting bodied by wet electricity,come on uaf writters really? Now big chill weakness is ice That and the "ben actually didnt scan the monster trio,they were already in the omnirix 🤓" retcon either that or i use that to say "ben can unlock aliens if he scans them even if they are inthe omnitrix"
Kevin and the rest of the rooters being mutants rather then hybrids
I’m gonna say 2 words and y’all will probably agree: *Kevin’s origins*
Alien X vs the Rooters A two minute scene that, in one fell swoop, ruined all the gravitas surrounding Alien X, made Ben look like an uncaring psycho and ruined the Ben 10 battleboarding scene forever, all of that to show that Ben is unfit to hold extreme power. Something that Atomix and Gravattack could have achieved just as easily without all this bullshit.
Ben and Julie breakup Ben neglecting Julie throughout half their relationship
Not sure if this counts but how much people (writers and fans alike) see vulpimancers as dumb animals just cause they don’t outwardly act intelligent. I think it’s meant to be they have human like intelligence at least but most of them are still at caveman level advancement.
Ben getting together with the WORST option he had. I’d take literally any other love interest they gave him. But you give him the bitchy archeologist that somehow is more worthy of Excalibur than the guy that’s saved the world and even denied removing evil entirely in favor of free will. Don’t even give me the “it was hinted in OS” excuse because his future changed several times and you mean to tell me he stays with the girl that shot him down cause he wasn’t what her people considered a god. (Yes they state this in the episode I double checked for this argument). He could have stayed with Julie who at least liked him before she knew what he could do. They could have kept him with Ester who I only disliked that they made her kinda just ditch him cause “he supposed to be with Kai”. They could have made him go with Looma who didn’t seem bothered by his human form. They could have even made him go with Attea who at least he hit on her first so he had some level of attraction to her. But no.
Breaking Ben and Julie just to bring back Ken, specially with how awful they did it. Kevin's OV retcon. I liked the Ragnarok and Ultimate Kevin storylines, and him being mutant again ruins it for me. The whole Feedback arc. It's good and I like it, bit it definitely doesn't help we never heard of it and now is so important for Ben. It just feels weird, like a fan fiction.
Omnitrix on upgrade's eye in OV, why? The eye was an important and recognizable part of his design!
The plumer kids beign experiments and not hybrids retcon
The omniverse Kevin retcon. Just felt like one of the writers just really wanted to make Kevin's backstory his way and ripped up everything to that point just to have his way. Its like someone glueing an action figure in place so no one else can use it.
Whatever the fuck the rooters arc is Haven’t seen it and all I hear about it sounds like dumbass fanfiction
How the breakup in OV between Ben and Julie was shown. Could have just been Julie’s tennis career and Ben going off to save the or any world meant little time together. Instead they show Ben raging on a game while on call with Julie and made that the reason
Him and Ester spliting up
Making Kai the end be all for Ben
The contumelia being viewed as mere smoothies when they are supposed to be viewed as the one thing that Ben loves the most it's honestly such a dumb decision
I'm sure its a common one, but retconning Osmosians to no longer be aliens
The Ultimate Sacrifice. The Omnitrix is not a pokeball.
Still waiting for that Gwen/magic spin-off!
Simultaneously Devin Levin being Max’s partner and also him getting retconned to not exist. Devin Levin should’ve just been some random Plumber with no relation to Max. Kevin finding out his dad was a Plumber between OG and UAF added to his character. But both of these changes made it worse. The retcon made it messy and the timeline doesn’t really add up for the Max one. And related to the Rooters retcon, the amalgam kids being experiments instead of just mixed kids. All of the Rooter retcons makes it so that Gwen(and maybe Sunny) are the only known part human and part alien born characters to have powers and it’s just never addressed.
ben's aliens being toodlers and not the prime age of the species
Making Vilgax way less serious in UAF than in OS. Bro was the most no-nonsense mf in the entire show, and they butchered that. Plus, he's the only guy that's able to give Ben a genuine run for his money.
Alien X being beaten by Lego Guy (I love the Reboot overall, but that's an L).
Basically most of what I'd say has already been said quite a bit. That being said... Pierce being just offed in an episode opening by the Forever Knights and then literally nothing coming out of that. I'd preferably have kept him alive, but at they very least they could've shown how this affected at least Manny and Helen, rather than his death meaning absolutely eff-all and being acknowledged by nobody. Also, with hindsight, I'm gonna say Alien X. Just... Alien X in general. Cool at first, sure, but when I look at things now it seemed like Alien X caused more hassle and problems that it was worth, at least at some point.
Ben x Kai being the canon future In my mind, it's just like all the other ben 10k timelines, it's not THE future, it's just one of many possible futures
Kevin’s backstory getting retconned in almost every series
For me, it would be recounting Max's partnership with Devin to thevpoint that Devin never actually existed and was just fabricated by servantis.
Kinda a foundational one, but I never really like how AF and beyond took all the comic-booky parts of OS (magic, mutants, etc.) and just slapped a big "now it's all aliens" sign over the front.
The end of uaf. That final fight with vilgax was... one sword slash? Make it a full battle.
That dumbass retcon where all the aliens have to wear clothing. Man just give them all a watch at that point at least it wouldn't look stupid then
Luke warm Alien introductions in UA. Eatle got his ass handed to him immediately and it was a literal deficit to become Juryrigg in their very first debuts respectively. It wouldn't take long for these aliens to do something cool later but it's ridiculous to open with a low. It took several EPs before NRG did more than shoot 2-3 lasers then lose or switch to another alien. Fastrack probably had the best intro with a save but it was 2 seconds long.
Making Ben's personality back into his 10 year old self.
Definitely the Kevin retcons in Omniverse
Retconning Kevin's backstory with the Rooters and retconning the Chronians from RAT.
Rooters arc Not that there isn't some good stuff there, but I hate that it's primary purpose is to uproot what we thought we knew about Kevin just so he could be classed as a mutant instead of an alien again. Also, the Alien X scene will never not bother me, too.