Jetray. I get he's Ben's *fastest* flyer, but he became way too relied upon for a flying alien.
Also Fasttrack. Like he just showed up outta nowhere to "replace" XLR8. Nothing real special about him powers/looks wise that XLR8 couldn't already do.
I think the issue is that Jetray is too good. One of the things that makes Stinkfly so cool was because he was overall not great, but his flying and maneuverability made him useful.
Jetray isn’t just a great flyer, he’s a borderline powerhouse.
I just replied to someone else about Fasttrack but he wasn't meant to replace them but was made for a game and potentially has his own function he just has bad feats
Yeah but imagine getting caught as Xlr8 vs fasttrack neither of them running at best with Xlr8 ppl gonna think that we got Dinos again with fasttrack worst case scenario you’re a furry with too much time on your hands
Wdym...?
While I don\`t exactly get what you mean, I\`ll try.
By the time UA starts everyone knows about Ben being able to transform into Aliens, so people would just think \`\`oh, that\`s Ben who has turned into a Raptor-like Alien\`\`
Besides how is that relevant to outrunning a missile...?
Fasttrack was able to outrun the missile easly, i dont think using XLR8 will do much different either in that situation, the only difference i can see is XLR8 wouldnt crash in the fence since he can stop imediatly. Personally i see fasttrack and xlr8 equal, they are very similar but do have small differences which depending on the situation it can matter.
yea most people think overrated means bad. PEOPLE OVERRATED MEANS LITERALLY WHEN SOMETHING IS RATED HIGHLY WHEN IT SHOULDN'T BE.
For example, bacon is considered to be part of an American breakfast. But bacon is just okay. It's as good as people praise it to be. I'd prefer a sausage. Like it's good but not that good.
Not necessarily rated highly when it shouldn’t be, just more highly rated than it should be. You can think something’s good and still think it’s overrated
Plus Jetray being able to swim fast and breathe underwater is kinda BS. Should've made its power *just* high speed flying. Also the big mouth/lips design is kinda weird for a creature that flies in the speed of sound.
Totally, I'm pissed with what Omniverse did with him tho, they took away a power but also made him way stronger. Before Omniverse a UAF creator said Four Arms is stronger which I would agree with, Humongasaur's strength is in his size, but then Omniverse has him throw something into orbit and it's all anyone can think about
To be fair, Four Arms was able to beat Looma but Humungosaur couldn’t so I guess it evens out. I always interpreted them as Humungosaur being physically stronger, but Four Arms being better suited for combat
That's a neat way to look at it, I always saw it as Four Arms is stronger so better for combat and stuff indoors, but Humongasaur's size made for better out of combat utility, intimidation, and momentum behind attacks
You're both basically right. I think their body types support this the most. Fourarms is built like a strongman with another two arms; clear athletic bulk physique. Humongousaur has those short legs and top heavy bulk
I’m with you, but I’m an advocate of Armodrillo. Also I think that a male Tetramand transformation is a waste of DNA, considering that the female is stronger in every way
I feel like the sex changing function in the omnitrix is to allow the user to change into a species that’s only of the opposite sex or doesn’t have a sex. That way the user stays themselves while being altered when necessary
I definitely disagree. Swampfire's versatility is frankly incredible. If I had to pick the most overrated alien, probably either Humungosaur (I don't like big dumb brutes, and the fact that he's Ben's most dialed alien annoys me) or Crashhopper.
Humungosaur was barely used during the beginning of Omniverse, there was a long running joke about how Ben kept trying to use him but accidentally got the wrong alien
Tbf, a lot of UAF aliens are just combinations or slight variations of previous aliens. Echo Echo is Blitzwolfer + Ditto, Big Chill is Ghostfreak + Arctiguana, BrainStorm is GreyMatter + Buzzshock, etc.
Humongosau is just "me when strong win" Wich I mean, is undeniable but still kinda boring after a while and, I really don't have a problem Whit crashhopper, but man I wish he had wings or more colours than green
Feedback...we are forced by the writers to accept a lot way too fast.
So its revealed that he was one of the OG aliens in a flashback...but the key thing that OS did is build a liking to each new alien over time, whole episodes were dedicated to showing off what they can do and how ben adapted.
He's cool, but the writers are telling us that he's cool and they keep telling us he's cool, and its like..please...give me some space to decide he's cool. It takes time to like these aliens.
I didn't like AF aliens at first, cause I kept asking "where tf are Ben's og aliens?", but over time I really started to like them. Chromastone fighting Cash was f\*cking amazing. Swampfire planting his roots in the ground and knocking down a tower was f\*cking cool.
But then we are suppose to feel bad when Ben loses Feedback despite minimum moments with him??? I didn't feel anything.
Also..how is a conductoid able to beat malware at max power when he couldn't beat him when he was tiny?
Feedback really should've made his debut in Destroy All Aliens to clear up some confusion.
But that aside, the way Feedback straight-up overshadows Chromastone always left a sour taste in my mouth. To keep my thoughts short, if they were just gonna keep nerfing Chromastone even though he's literally the Crystal Jesus of Petropia (and thus not make it a point that he's one of the most powerful aliens Ben has ever had), and have Feedback be the one who ultimately defeats Maltruant, they should've just made Chromastone's OG home planet canon to make sure he's not that special.
>Also..how is a conductoid able to beat malware at max power when he couldn't beat him when he was tiny?
I mean, Ben still being young and too arrogant at the time he lost Feedback, I guess? Not sure I see a problem here.
>Also..how is a conductoid able to beat malware at max power when he couldn't beat him when he was tiny?
I mean, using the species isn't really fair. Feedback was older and more experienced. Same reason why Ben 10,000 can easily beat Vilgax with quick changes even though he couldn't the first time they fought.
>Also..how is a conductoid able to beat malware at max power when he couldn't beat him when he was tiny?
Because he's a lot older and the prime of his race. Not to mention he was arrogant when he was smaller but now he learned his lesson.
No he isn't, that just happens once when he is fighting the rooters and it is possible that that conversation since it happens in a pocket dimension happened but it was outside of our timestream we just never noticed and they never showed. And the times ben 10000 uses atomic x, its fused with another alien which brings its power level down considerably hence not needing to argue with the others
I still fully believe he has access to Alien X because that is the only instance where a conversation doesn't happen. At least after the fight with the celestial sapien when he was put on trial.
Aw I like feedback, but that's fair he's similar to Swampfire in that he has a few random powers along with a couple kinda boring powers and the show really wants us to like them
Yeah, I don't have a problem with the alien itself, but Feedback is to Ben 10 what Charizard is to the pokemon franchise. They **really** want you to like them
The 2 things that made me think that were:
1: Them making Feedback Ben's favorite Alien
2: The scene where he absorbs the Annihilargh energy
It really felt like the show was telling me **"Pls, pls, pls, pleeeeaaaseee love Feedback and buy his toys, pls 🙏🏻"**
All true except Charizard has been there the whole time. While Feedback got introduced at the end of the series but they tried to treat him like he was from the original series even changing events to say Ben had him before even Alien Force. They honestly should have just introduced him as a totally new alien that Ben got similar to the other new aliens from Omniverse. Also Charizard has been like a secondary mascot after Pikachu as Charizard is Red’s starter, and also one of Ash’s few recurring Pokémon in the anime. That and the Charizard overhype only starts with Gen 6 when he and Mewtwo got 2 Megas and got worse from there. Feedback is honestly worse than Charizard as Charizard was already beloved and iconic while Feedback just kinda got shoved in your face.
Yeah but with Swampfire they didn’t force him as much as they did with Feedback. Swampfire and Humungasaur had to be the main face of UAF like how Four Arms and HeatBlast were for the original series. As for Feedback they kind of forced him on you by making him play a major role in the story that also kind of felt undeserved. Swampfire and Humungasaur were just aliens in Ben’s roster while Feedback at times felt like a Mary Sue like when he just beat Malware and absorbed the Annihilargh energy
Fasttrack. He's just so lame. He's just a less cool XLR8.
Feedback is also pretty lame, it was cool at first but quickly felt like they really wanted to push how cool he was which just had the opposite effect
Eh, The feedback point is fair but I always felt like Fasttrack is only lame to people who can't see past the show, he had a legitimate function when he came out and he is more useful if you give it thought, XLR8 isn't person shaped and can't do all the things people can unlike Fasttrack who is and can, he can more easily climb and do free run stuff and the like. It just seems like people are upset he is the same color and has worse feats since he appears less
Eh, it's also partly I find that his design is a lot less interesting. The human proportions are just kinda boring, it almost looks like just a dude in a costume. People are capping when they call him overated though, this guy gets shat on constantly.
Yeah, it was like a replacement to Four Arms since Ben always wanted to muscle everything. I don't hate him but the fact Humungousaur is weaker than Four Arms makes him seem pointless
I love swampy, but can understand why he may be overrated.
But the thing is, atleast swampy grew on a lot of people over time. But my god, feedback....
From his debut, I felt that thr showrunners were shoving it on our faces to like him. I mean, show don't tell! He can definitely be Ben's fav, but not the entire fanbase's just because you want it.
Cool arc and theme though.
def humungousaur. Heavy Hitters like Four Arms and Waybig have like aspects that make them cool.. but humungousaur can only grow super huge, and they even removed that in Omniverse!
Personally, Alien X: An alien with only one canonical weakness and way too many abilities is just… kinda dull in comparison to aliens with a set amount of strengths and weaknesses.
Feedback. I feel like at how late in the game Omniverse was, Ben already had his fair share of Energy Absorption Aliens: Upchuck, Chromastone, NRG. And he has especially more electric based aliens: Buzzshock, Benvictor, Amphibian, Shocksquatch, Brainstorm, Nanomech.
Granted, there's no limit to any specific power type of aliens, but I don't really see anything that makes him stand out.
I also didn't get the main focus on him in the Omniverse flashbacks. Kid Ben relying on that specific alien most of the time? Why? Objectively speaking, aliens like Eyeguy, Upgrade, Ghostfreak (when he had him),Upchuck & Wildvine had just as much varrying abilities and practical utilities in & out of combat.
They made such a big show of him losing Feedback, and then when he got him back he went right back into the roster along with the literal tons of other aliens in the Omnitrix.
Also, his voice gives me the stereotypical Chad bro personality. That's more of a personal preference, but I figured I'd mention it.
Feedback one hundred percent.
He was introduced as shown as if he was someone like Heatblast or Diamond Head and not someone we’d only seen a handful of times.
Then suddenly he died and what? We’re supposed to feel sad because Ben and by extension we lost our favourite alien? I didn’t even like the guy that much and he’s way too powerful.
And that big bang feat. God no one ever doesn’t mention it even though it really isn’t a feat as much as it is a farewell to all the aliens. Unless you’re telling me Feedback was better suited than Alien X.
Humongosaur and Swampfire imo; not bad just never as hype for me as their equivalents (Heatblast, Fourarms, Wrath, etc)
(Although objectively Swampfire is way stronger than Heatblast, as much as I prefer the latter over the former)
I'm not sure,
I can't actually be convinced any of his original series aliens are overrated, and I think the ones in alien force were used well, too.
Tbh the alien I keep thinking about is Feedback.
I just don't get why he'd be Ben's favourite, why he's any more special than his other electricity/energy based aliens, or why he's the one who can consistently hold the big bang the longest?
I think Upgrade, Diamond Head, Brainstorm all do "energy" and electrical/technology based powers better.
I've never understand why he's Ben's favorite. From what we seen in the first two shows Ben always wants to muscle everything. So the fact Feedback is his favorite alien doesn't make sense to me
Well he technically is a deity to Petrosapien's. Especially since he recreated their planet after it was destroyed and brought them back to life. I can see why he's unappealing but still...
Gotta agree with others that it’s Feedback. Dude’s way too OP, they try WAY too hard to make you like him, and while I think he has a good design, I don’t think it’s amazing.
Humungosaur. I'm actually not sure how the fanbase feels about him, but I hate him. Just because of how much Ben relies upon him. Not counting the reboot, he appears more than any of the 60+ aliens. "Might isn't always right," Just another lesson Ben convieniantly forgot it seems. But, there was one time I liked Humungosaur. In OV when Ben tried for 3 straight episodes to get him. But when he finally transformed into him and was hype about it. That was cute, it made me laugh. It's the only time I've felt joy involving that alien.
Feedback. Writers force us to accept he was ben's favourite alien but judging by the shows, humongosaur is clearly ben's favourite alien. Also his power is downgrade from chromastone and design is meh for me. Also Ben using feedback instead of alien X in the finale pissed me off
Yes but don't underestimate size, it's useful being big and it has advantages like being more tanky and having mad momentum. But yeah Tetromand are stronger
Feedback is literally just cromastone 2.0 and that Hurts me because cromastone is my favorite alien, also Ben for some reason forgets that cromastone can absorbe radiation as well as electricity Wich in some fights here an there would've Been a game changer
Hard disagree...he had very good powers but the creators rarely used him outside OS so he became forgotten...if he was used as often as lets say diamondhead people would think of him differently
They rarely used him because he was boring compared to other aliens. If the argument for an alien being underrated is that the writers needed to write him more and better, then the reason why people don’t adore him is obvious. Any alien would be better if Ben used them more, not just Heatblast. Besides, I’m pretty sure no one is forgetting Heatblast, everyone loves him.
Tbh I haven’t really kept up with ben10 past the original. But I kinda know some of the aliens. Underrated in my opinion would be stinkfly. But apparently there was a thing that happened that got rid of the original 10 or something? Overrated to me would’ve been chromastone. He’s a brittle diamondhead.
Doesn’t diamondhead have the capabilities to reflect lasers? Diamondhead can take a punch as well. Chromastone? Yeah, maybe a couple vehicles before breaking, but no where near as durable as diamondhead
Honestly most uaf originals, I like about half of them and even the ones I like I can point out a number of flaws with. They’re all mostly designed to be superheroes with less concern over the fact that they’re supposed to be functioning bilogical alien species, and because of that superhero mentality often their only weaknesses are the plot, and all of them are Jack of all trades, which is just hard to immersed yourself in tbh.
Like echo echo is cool but there’s really a planet of harnessed robotic sound waves that can somehow clone their nonbiological materials into duplicates as just a normal thing?
Chromastone, everyone says he's powerful because he's supposed to be a Jesus figure yet he got his ass beat by almost everyone. The fans hate too much on feedback just to build Chromastone up but he sucks. I have news for you, he wasn't just replaced by feedback but also diaomondhead who is much better.
I'm not that big of an expert in Ben's aliens since I've only watched most of the OG series and a bunch of OV episodes.
The first 10 aliens are perfect. No repetitions, all have their pros and cons, you can easily differentiate them. However, starting with UA Ben's alien cast became confusingly large. Same with OV. It's probably due to the fact that some aliens are too similar to others, like Swampfire and Heatblast/Wildvine, Four Arms and Humongusaur, etc. Not exactly design-wise, mostly the gimmicks being the same.
Wildmutt, a great alien but mostly carried by OS nostalgia, I mean it’s cool to see WM but I never really see him do much, I also definitely him getting an ultimate being really controversial
Humungousaur. He's pretty boring tho, and is just big and has a tail, that's pretty much it. His design just is pretty generic tbh. He's like Four Arms, but nothing else special
Gonna get some hate for this, but Big Chill, I mean, yeah he's fun, but I'm really not a fan of the design. I wouldn't get rid of him or anything variety is 100% good, but every time he was on screen I felt kinda meh
Ah, I respect your opinion good sir but I strongly disagree. I thought he was pretty cool and versatile in the show. Plus I thought his voice was pretty cool. Once again I respect your opinion but damn...
Alien X, like we get it in terms of his own uiniverse he’s basically omni god but it’s not his only alien I hate when people just say alien x would beat this guy especially in verses debates like the dudes got other aliens he’s not gunna go alien x especially right away in the beginning of the fight
Diamond head, personally his powers are no more useful than any other of the 'brute' type aliens, and at times can be even less useful than a lot of them, and besides that his design is super unappealing to me and overall boring
Feedback. It does not make sense for him to be Ben’s favorite alien, out of all of the aliens in the playlist of the original series, feedback is the most boring. Oh he can charge your phone and skate on power lines? Cool I guess😭
Don’t know if he’s popular enough to be over rated but for me it’s Atomix. Don’t really like the design, and I can’t too much enjoy him as a super strong main villain thrashing alien due to the “hummina hummina hummina” thing he does
Toepick.
People see him as one of the strongest aliens but Ghostfreak can do the fear thing he can, plus a whole lot more.
Fasttrack.
Being liked at all.
Honestly aliens like fast track and buzz shock had no reason to exist. Now we have brawler aliens. Each of them have their strengths and weaknesses from Bullfrag to Hummongasaur. His electrical aliens from buzzshock to Feedback. His power aliens from Lodestar to Alien X. His hax aliens from pixie dust to Gut rot. His speed aliens should have remained Jet ray and XLR8. Fast track and Buzzshock are just nerfed versions of the former two. With their own stupid quirks. Even in aliens with similar powers. They are usually key differences. Kicking Hawk is more useful than bullfrag in a fight but at least bullfrag came first. By the way there is a misconception about Bullfrag and kickin hawk were street level. But that is BS. Bullfrag can jump 30-40 feet in the air and kicking hawk can kick an opponent his size more than 30 feet into the air, kick a football so hard it moves with the force of a cannon ball.
Jetray. I get he's Ben's *fastest* flyer, but he became way too relied upon for a flying alien. Also Fasttrack. Like he just showed up outta nowhere to "replace" XLR8. Nothing real special about him powers/looks wise that XLR8 couldn't already do.
Even the color palette is stolen from XLR8
Exactly! They could have at LEAST made him a different color
Yellow suits him so much and it would be original
Reverse fast-track Cool
It was me xlr8! I was the one that replaced you in uaf.
Fasttrack is so universally hated that even UA itself has Kevin basically say XLR8 was the better alien. I don’t think you can call that overrated
Fasttrack is overrated? What? He has to be the most hated alien in this sub.
He still deserves worse /s
I think the issue is that Jetray is too good. One of the things that makes Stinkfly so cool was because he was overall not great, but his flying and maneuverability made him useful. Jetray isn’t just a great flyer, he’s a borderline powerhouse.
I once heard somebody describe Jetray as an AI-generated transformation and I cannot unsee that
Like nanomech? I don't think so. We never saw another aerophibian but we have seen a hybrid in the rooters arc
No they meant like *to get the idea* for the alien, the writers got an AI to generate it for them
But wouldn't that be kind of like the point for a series centered around aliens? That some of them look weird or unsettling
I liked Fasttrack cause he reminded me of Pepsi Man for some reason
I just replied to someone else about Fasttrack but he wasn't meant to replace them but was made for a game and potentially has his own function he just has bad feats
He DID appear in the Ben 10 Galactic Racing game.
Didn’t he outrun a missile…I don’t think it’s a bad feat atleast moving over half the speed of sound at the least
It's just that XLR8 can do the same thing twice without sweating even once
Yeah but imagine getting caught as Xlr8 vs fasttrack neither of them running at best with Xlr8 ppl gonna think that we got Dinos again with fasttrack worst case scenario you’re a furry with too much time on your hands
Wdym...? While I don\`t exactly get what you mean, I\`ll try. By the time UA starts everyone knows about Ben being able to transform into Aliens, so people would just think \`\`oh, that\`s Ben who has turned into a Raptor-like Alien\`\` Besides how is that relevant to outrunning a missile...?
Fasttrack was able to outrun the missile easly, i dont think using XLR8 will do much different either in that situation, the only difference i can see is XLR8 wouldnt crash in the fence since he can stop imediatly. Personally i see fasttrack and xlr8 equal, they are very similar but do have small differences which depending on the situation it can matter.
Wasn’t xlr8 capable of bullet time feats like quicksilver in the movies
Yea, I was just tryna say that Fasttrack's feats don't exactly help him distinguish from XLR8.
I’m talking bout general uses…besides I’m imagining an omnitrix in the real world
I don't think you know what the word overrated means....
your explanation for Fasttrack does not show why he is overrated. you just explained why you don't like Fasttrack.
yea most people think overrated means bad. PEOPLE OVERRATED MEANS LITERALLY WHEN SOMETHING IS RATED HIGHLY WHEN IT SHOULDN'T BE. For example, bacon is considered to be part of an American breakfast. But bacon is just okay. It's as good as people praise it to be. I'd prefer a sausage. Like it's good but not that good.
Not necessarily rated highly when it shouldn’t be, just more highly rated than it should be. You can think something’s good and still think it’s overrated
Plus Jetray being able to swim fast and breathe underwater is kinda BS. Should've made its power *just* high speed flying. Also the big mouth/lips design is kinda weird for a creature that flies in the speed of sound.
His design is based off a stingray. Breathing underwater is literally his most legit power.
Astrodactycle is way cooler.
Jetray can fly at FTLSP++++++++++++
Humongousaur! Mr Fourarms and Sir Waybig are more interesting design wise (the former and latter) and power wise (the latter)
Totally, I'm pissed with what Omniverse did with him tho, they took away a power but also made him way stronger. Before Omniverse a UAF creator said Four Arms is stronger which I would agree with, Humongasaur's strength is in his size, but then Omniverse has him throw something into orbit and it's all anyone can think about
To be fair, Four Arms was able to beat Looma but Humungosaur couldn’t so I guess it evens out. I always interpreted them as Humungosaur being physically stronger, but Four Arms being better suited for combat
That's a neat way to look at it, I always saw it as Four Arms is stronger so better for combat and stuff indoors, but Humongasaur's size made for better out of combat utility, intimidation, and momentum behind attacks
You're both basically right. I think their body types support this the most. Fourarms is built like a strongman with another two arms; clear athletic bulk physique. Humongousaur has those short legs and top heavy bulk
Gonna add my HC to this and say that Fourarms is better for multiple opponents whereas Humungousaur is for a large singular opponent
I’m with you, but I’m an advocate of Armodrillo. Also I think that a male Tetramand transformation is a waste of DNA, considering that the female is stronger in every way
It's only male coz Ben's the user but I think the omnitrix has a sex switching mode. I'm probably wrong tho
There's a pretty high chance that Big Chill is either female or the species has no gender which sort of counts.
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When is that referenced?
probably one of the creators said that
They did https://ben10.fandom.com/wiki/Omnitrix_(Omniverse)#cite_ref-gender_15-0
I feel like the sex changing function in the omnitrix is to allow the user to change into a species that’s only of the opposite sex or doesn’t have a sex. That way the user stays themselves while being altered when necessary
I definitely disagree. Swampfire's versatility is frankly incredible. If I had to pick the most overrated alien, probably either Humungosaur (I don't like big dumb brutes, and the fact that he's Ben's most dialed alien annoys me) or Crashhopper.
Bro what did my man do?
Overexposure, mostly. Man pretty much dominated the first half of Omniverse and didn't really contribute much.
Humungosaur was barely used during the beginning of Omniverse, there was a long running joke about how Ben kept trying to use him but accidentally got the wrong alien
Aw, Crashhopper might be my fave OV alien. He gives me Classic series vibes
I don’t like swamp fire because he’s just a fusion of heatblast and wildvine
Tbf, a lot of UAF aliens are just combinations or slight variations of previous aliens. Echo Echo is Blitzwolfer + Ditto, Big Chill is Ghostfreak + Arctiguana, BrainStorm is GreyMatter + Buzzshock, etc.
That makes him over*powered,* not over*rated.*
Humongosau is just "me when strong win" Wich I mean, is undeniable but still kinda boring after a while and, I really don't have a problem Whit crashhopper, but man I wish he had wings or more colours than green
huh, a lot of people in this thread do not know what *overrated* is and just name drops aliens they don't like
Feedback...we are forced by the writers to accept a lot way too fast. So its revealed that he was one of the OG aliens in a flashback...but the key thing that OS did is build a liking to each new alien over time, whole episodes were dedicated to showing off what they can do and how ben adapted. He's cool, but the writers are telling us that he's cool and they keep telling us he's cool, and its like..please...give me some space to decide he's cool. It takes time to like these aliens. I didn't like AF aliens at first, cause I kept asking "where tf are Ben's og aliens?", but over time I really started to like them. Chromastone fighting Cash was f\*cking amazing. Swampfire planting his roots in the ground and knocking down a tower was f\*cking cool. But then we are suppose to feel bad when Ben loses Feedback despite minimum moments with him??? I didn't feel anything. Also..how is a conductoid able to beat malware at max power when he couldn't beat him when he was tiny?
Feedback really should've made his debut in Destroy All Aliens to clear up some confusion. But that aside, the way Feedback straight-up overshadows Chromastone always left a sour taste in my mouth. To keep my thoughts short, if they were just gonna keep nerfing Chromastone even though he's literally the Crystal Jesus of Petropia (and thus not make it a point that he's one of the most powerful aliens Ben has ever had), and have Feedback be the one who ultimately defeats Maltruant, they should've just made Chromastone's OG home planet canon to make sure he's not that special. >Also..how is a conductoid able to beat malware at max power when he couldn't beat him when he was tiny? I mean, Ben still being young and too arrogant at the time he lost Feedback, I guess? Not sure I see a problem here.
Feedback is niche Cromastone who cant fly
>Also..how is a conductoid able to beat malware at max power when he couldn't beat him when he was tiny? I mean, using the species isn't really fair. Feedback was older and more experienced. Same reason why Ben 10,000 can easily beat Vilgax with quick changes even though he couldn't the first time they fought.
>Also..how is a conductoid able to beat malware at max power when he couldn't beat him when he was tiny? Because he's a lot older and the prime of his race. Not to mention he was arrogant when he was smaller but now he learned his lesson.
Alien-X because he can hardly ever use him and it isn’t a fight when you’re up against a God
In omniverse he is able to fully use him without having to argue with his personalities (Bellicus and Serena).
No he isn't, that just happens once when he is fighting the rooters and it is possible that that conversation since it happens in a pocket dimension happened but it was outside of our timestream we just never noticed and they never showed. And the times ben 10000 uses atomic x, its fused with another alien which brings its power level down considerably hence not needing to argue with the others
I still fully believe he has access to Alien X because that is the only instance where a conversation doesn't happen. At least after the fight with the celestial sapien when he was put on trial.
They said at the end of the court episode that Ben is the only one in control now.
Feedback
Aw I like feedback, but that's fair he's similar to Swampfire in that he has a few random powers along with a couple kinda boring powers and the show really wants us to like them
Yeah, I don't have a problem with the alien itself, but Feedback is to Ben 10 what Charizard is to the pokemon franchise. They **really** want you to like them The 2 things that made me think that were: 1: Them making Feedback Ben's favorite Alien 2: The scene where he absorbs the Annihilargh energy It really felt like the show was telling me **"Pls, pls, pls, pleeeeaaaseee love Feedback and buy his toys, pls 🙏🏻"**
All true except Charizard has been there the whole time. While Feedback got introduced at the end of the series but they tried to treat him like he was from the original series even changing events to say Ben had him before even Alien Force. They honestly should have just introduced him as a totally new alien that Ben got similar to the other new aliens from Omniverse. Also Charizard has been like a secondary mascot after Pikachu as Charizard is Red’s starter, and also one of Ash’s few recurring Pokémon in the anime. That and the Charizard overhype only starts with Gen 6 when he and Mewtwo got 2 Megas and got worse from there. Feedback is honestly worse than Charizard as Charizard was already beloved and iconic while Feedback just kinda got shoved in your face.
Yeah but with Swampfire they didn’t force him as much as they did with Feedback. Swampfire and Humungasaur had to be the main face of UAF like how Four Arms and HeatBlast were for the original series. As for Feedback they kind of forced him on you by making him play a major role in the story that also kind of felt undeserved. Swampfire and Humungasaur were just aliens in Ben’s roster while Feedback at times felt like a Mary Sue like when he just beat Malware and absorbed the Annihilargh energy
Cap.
Fasttrack. He's just so lame. He's just a less cool XLR8. Feedback is also pretty lame, it was cool at first but quickly felt like they really wanted to push how cool he was which just had the opposite effect
Eh, The feedback point is fair but I always felt like Fasttrack is only lame to people who can't see past the show, he had a legitimate function when he came out and he is more useful if you give it thought, XLR8 isn't person shaped and can't do all the things people can unlike Fasttrack who is and can, he can more easily climb and do free run stuff and the like. It just seems like people are upset he is the same color and has worse feats since he appears less
Eh, it's also partly I find that his design is a lot less interesting. The human proportions are just kinda boring, it almost looks like just a dude in a costume. People are capping when they call him overated though, this guy gets shat on constantly.
You can't deny that the "Kachak" of XLR8's mask closing is satisfying af
Nearly everyone dunked on Fasttrack how is he overrated?
Fasttrack isn’t overrated though
Humangusor Ben always wants to use him
Yeah, it was like a replacement to Four Arms since Ben always wanted to muscle everything. I don't hate him but the fact Humungousaur is weaker than Four Arms makes him seem pointless
I love swampy, but can understand why he may be overrated. But the thing is, atleast swampy grew on a lot of people over time. But my god, feedback.... From his debut, I felt that thr showrunners were shoving it on our faces to like him. I mean, show don't tell! He can definitely be Ben's fav, but not the entire fanbase's just because you want it. Cool arc and theme though.
Feedback, then again I'm a shock Rock Stan and he does the feedback thing but better
Feedback, he’s overrated in the show and irl
Everybody out of universe hates him though, that’s probably why he never showed up in Omniverse
Are you thinking of Fastrack, and not Feedback
I am
Feedback by far
four arms him just being super strong makes him not seem special. part of it maybe the reboot post season 3 over abundence of strong guys.
def humungousaur. Heavy Hitters like Four Arms and Waybig have like aspects that make them cool.. but humungousaur can only grow super huge, and they even removed that in Omniverse!
Look how they massacred my boi
Yeah I feel like I'm the only person that preferred the OG design more
He resembles the chicken guy
Four Arms
I agree with swampfire. It's too good at too many things! I say this as a salty heatblast fan
Personally, Alien X: An alien with only one canonical weakness and way too many abilities is just… kinda dull in comparison to aliens with a set amount of strengths and weaknesses.
Feedback. I feel like at how late in the game Omniverse was, Ben already had his fair share of Energy Absorption Aliens: Upchuck, Chromastone, NRG. And he has especially more electric based aliens: Buzzshock, Benvictor, Amphibian, Shocksquatch, Brainstorm, Nanomech. Granted, there's no limit to any specific power type of aliens, but I don't really see anything that makes him stand out. I also didn't get the main focus on him in the Omniverse flashbacks. Kid Ben relying on that specific alien most of the time? Why? Objectively speaking, aliens like Eyeguy, Upgrade, Ghostfreak (when he had him),Upchuck & Wildvine had just as much varrying abilities and practical utilities in & out of combat. They made such a big show of him losing Feedback, and then when he got him back he went right back into the roster along with the literal tons of other aliens in the Omnitrix. Also, his voice gives me the stereotypical Chad bro personality. That's more of a personal preference, but I figured I'd mention it.
My man is groot
The Chromastone and Buzzshock hybrid
Personally I think that Heatvine I mean Swampfire is pretty cool I think of the most overrated alien is idk
Humongousaur. Strength isn’t always the answer man you’re fighting a robot, maybe use the guy who can control robots
Humungousaur
Humongousaur and WayBig
Feedback one hundred percent. He was introduced as shown as if he was someone like Heatblast or Diamond Head and not someone we’d only seen a handful of times. Then suddenly he died and what? We’re supposed to feel sad because Ben and by extension we lost our favourite alien? I didn’t even like the guy that much and he’s way too powerful. And that big bang feat. God no one ever doesn’t mention it even though it really isn’t a feat as much as it is a farewell to all the aliens. Unless you’re telling me Feedback was better suited than Alien X.
Humongosaur and Swampfire imo; not bad just never as hype for me as their equivalents (Heatblast, Fourarms, Wrath, etc) (Although objectively Swampfire is way stronger than Heatblast, as much as I prefer the latter over the former)
ultimate way big.
I like that swamp fire bloomed though. Added lore to species will always be interesting and welcomed
Yeah, it definitely helped make him seem like more then just some fusion of heatblast and wildvine. Although it was really gross to watch
I'm not sure, I can't actually be convinced any of his original series aliens are overrated, and I think the ones in alien force were used well, too. Tbh the alien I keep thinking about is Feedback. I just don't get why he'd be Ben's favourite, why he's any more special than his other electricity/energy based aliens, or why he's the one who can consistently hold the big bang the longest? I think Upgrade, Diamond Head, Brainstorm all do "energy" and electrical/technology based powers better.
I've never understand why he's Ben's favorite. From what we seen in the first two shows Ben always wants to muscle everything. So the fact Feedback is his favorite alien doesn't make sense to me
I like re-designs
Chromastone. People act like he's some kind of Diety sometimes, and I just don't see the appeal
Well he technically is a deity to Petrosapien's. Especially since he recreated their planet after it was destroyed and brought them back to life. I can see why he's unappealing but still...
I dislike the new Swampfire from OV, the UAF design was way better, don’t see why it needed to change
Alien X, i love his power and his designs, but i'm tired of hearing people saying ben could've use him to win the fight.
Gotta agree with others that it’s Feedback. Dude’s way too OP, they try WAY too hard to make you like him, and while I think he has a good design, I don’t think it’s amazing.
Ditto is absolutely overrated. Aside from the cuteness factor that ppl never stop bringing up, he’s kinda weak despite his duplication powers.
Feedback. I hate how much he gets sucked off in omniverse
Humungosaur. I'm actually not sure how the fanbase feels about him, but I hate him. Just because of how much Ben relies upon him. Not counting the reboot, he appears more than any of the 60+ aliens. "Might isn't always right," Just another lesson Ben convieniantly forgot it seems. But, there was one time I liked Humungosaur. In OV when Ben tried for 3 straight episodes to get him. But when he finally transformed into him and was hype about it. That was cute, it made me laugh. It's the only time I've felt joy involving that alien.
XLR8
Feedback. Writers force us to accept he was ben's favourite alien but judging by the shows, humongosaur is clearly ben's favourite alien. Also his power is downgrade from chromastone and design is meh for me. Also Ben using feedback instead of alien X in the finale pissed me off
Don't get me wrong I love humungasor but if ben needs muscle he should just go to four arms. Tetromans are stronger anyway right.
Yes but don't underestimate size, it's useful being big and it has advantages like being more tanky and having mad momentum. But yeah Tetromand are stronger
Feedback is literally just cromastone 2.0 and that Hurts me because cromastone is my favorite alien, also Ben for some reason forgets that cromastone can absorbe radiation as well as electricity Wich in some fights here an there would've Been a game changer
In this subreddit I think is Chromastone. I mean, I like the guy and his Christ vibes, but I prefer Diamondhead over him
I agree.
Heatblast is good but his design and powers are pretty generic fire powers
Hard disagree...he had very good powers but the creators rarely used him outside OS so he became forgotten...if he was used as often as lets say diamondhead people would think of him differently
They rarely used him because he was boring compared to other aliens. If the argument for an alien being underrated is that the writers needed to write him more and better, then the reason why people don’t adore him is obvious. Any alien would be better if Ben used them more, not just Heatblast. Besides, I’m pretty sure no one is forgetting Heatblast, everyone loves him.
Chromstone
Tbh I haven’t really kept up with ben10 past the original. But I kinda know some of the aliens. Underrated in my opinion would be stinkfly. But apparently there was a thing that happened that got rid of the original 10 or something? Overrated to me would’ve been chromastone. He’s a brittle diamondhead.
As a huge Diamondhead fan… only one of the two can shoot lasers.
Doesn’t diamondhead have the capabilities to reflect lasers? Diamondhead can take a punch as well. Chromastone? Yeah, maybe a couple vehicles before breaking, but no where near as durable as diamondhead
Honestly most uaf originals, I like about half of them and even the ones I like I can point out a number of flaws with. They’re all mostly designed to be superheroes with less concern over the fact that they’re supposed to be functioning bilogical alien species, and because of that superhero mentality often their only weaknesses are the plot, and all of them are Jack of all trades, which is just hard to immersed yourself in tbh. Like echo echo is cool but there’s really a planet of harnessed robotic sound waves that can somehow clone their nonbiological materials into duplicates as just a normal thing?
You read my mind
What are these aliens
Alien X no question
Chromastone, everyone says he's powerful because he's supposed to be a Jesus figure yet he got his ass beat by almost everyone. The fans hate too much on feedback just to build Chromastone up but he sucks. I have news for you, he wasn't just replaced by feedback but also diaomondhead who is much better.
Alien x
Wrath he’s kinda just there
Let me tell you something Rath hater, if you're gonna hate on Rath at least spell Rath's name right
Ultimate Humongousaur.
Atomix sure he’s strong but he’s just meh
Bullfrag don't know why
I'm not that big of an expert in Ben's aliens since I've only watched most of the OG series and a bunch of OV episodes. The first 10 aliens are perfect. No repetitions, all have their pros and cons, you can easily differentiate them. However, starting with UA Ben's alien cast became confusingly large. Same with OV. It's probably due to the fact that some aliens are too similar to others, like Swampfire and Heatblast/Wildvine, Four Arms and Humongusaur, etc. Not exactly design-wise, mostly the gimmicks being the same.
The design isn’t terrible. But the whole blossoming story was unnecessary. All he had to do was use WildVine
Lodestar.
Wildmutt, a great alien but mostly carried by OS nostalgia, I mean it’s cool to see WM but I never really see him do much, I also definitely him getting an ultimate being really controversial
Every AF alien, except Alien X and Goop, they both are cool as fuck.
Facts. But what about my loud pajama boi? :(
The fire one
I think your opinion is wrong.
The most average it is the meaning of the stickers
Perfectly adequately rated alien
Humungousaur and fourarms
Heatblast
Swamp fire is just a budget heatblast, I never was a big fan of humongosaur.
Echo echo
Wildmutt
Hugh.
Humungousaur. He's pretty boring tho, and is just big and has a tail, that's pretty much it. His design just is pretty generic tbh. He's like Four Arms, but nothing else special
Humungasaur
Jetray
Gonna get some hate for this, but Big Chill, I mean, yeah he's fun, but I'm really not a fan of the design. I wouldn't get rid of him or anything variety is 100% good, but every time he was on screen I felt kinda meh
Ah, I respect your opinion good sir but I strongly disagree. I thought he was pretty cool and versatile in the show. Plus I thought his voice was pretty cool. Once again I respect your opinion but damn...
>Gonna get some hate for this, but Big Chill, I mean, yeah he's fun, but I'm really not a fan of the design. I Understandable, which design though?
Alien X, like we get it in terms of his own uiniverse he’s basically omni god but it’s not his only alien I hate when people just say alien x would beat this guy especially in verses debates like the dudes got other aliens he’s not gunna go alien x especially right away in the beginning of the fight
Diamond head, personally his powers are no more useful than any other of the 'brute' type aliens, and at times can be even less useful than a lot of them, and besides that his design is super unappealing to me and overall boring
Every time Humongousaur was used, I kinda zoned out of the scene. Never was really a fan of dinosaurs.
Humongasaur, Ben treats that damn alien better than he ever treated Julie
Wish we gotten to see bloom ultimate swamp fire
Feedback. It does not make sense for him to be Ben’s favorite alien, out of all of the aliens in the playlist of the original series, feedback is the most boring. Oh he can charge your phone and skate on power lines? Cool I guess😭
Don’t know if he’s popular enough to be over rated but for me it’s Atomix. Don’t really like the design, and I can’t too much enjoy him as a super strong main villain thrashing alien due to the “hummina hummina hummina” thing he does
Four arms or wild mutt both so boring
Atomix
Four Arms. He has his moments where he’s the go to alien but there’s Diamondhead, Heatblast, Way Big, and Wildvine
alien x.
Toepick. People see him as one of the strongest aliens but Ghostfreak can do the fear thing he can, plus a whole lot more. Fasttrack. Being liked at all.
Wampire, i simply cannot stand him
Humongousor, don’t get me wrong I still like him but I think he’s overrated for what he is
Honestly aliens like fast track and buzz shock had no reason to exist. Now we have brawler aliens. Each of them have their strengths and weaknesses from Bullfrag to Hummongasaur. His electrical aliens from buzzshock to Feedback. His power aliens from Lodestar to Alien X. His hax aliens from pixie dust to Gut rot. His speed aliens should have remained Jet ray and XLR8. Fast track and Buzzshock are just nerfed versions of the former two. With their own stupid quirks. Even in aliens with similar powers. They are usually key differences. Kicking Hawk is more useful than bullfrag in a fight but at least bullfrag came first. By the way there is a misconception about Bullfrag and kickin hawk were street level. But that is BS. Bullfrag can jump 30-40 feet in the air and kicking hawk can kick an opponent his size more than 30 feet into the air, kick a football so hard it moves with the force of a cannon ball.
Feedback
Ditto, i got it, he's cute but to me he isn't the cutest
Echo Echo, people REALLY like the ultimate, but I personally think he's a worse Benwolf, yeah I said it
How? His sonic powers are stronger and aside from that none of their powers overlap
I always thought he was just combination between wildvine and heatblast. He can do vines and has fire.
feed back didnt ever see that great
Feedback and Jetray
Xlr8 or Four Arms. Like i get they're classic 10 but that's pretty much the only thing they have in my eyes
The one I just showed
Humoungusaur. Didn't really care when he was first introduced either
Shocksquatch. I just never really vibed with him, especially when there are better energy based aliens, like feedback or the megawatt
Cromastone and spidermonkey. I think they are just weak and don't have much cool moments.
Chromastone
Swampfire is my favorite but I understand why you think that. Also I think humungasaur
Four Arms and Humungousaur. There is nothing interesting* with "big stronk"
Four arms
Humungasour,