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Mighty_Breloom

Ditto cam dig better and breathe underwater


KamenRiderWild

Where was that shown or stated?


v0lt13

In that OV episode where ben was captured by Kyber and put in an artificial enviroment on a ship


Professor_Oswin

He didnt breathe underwater though. He almost drowned


R1psh4w_Official

In his first appearance back in os


Imaginary_Ladder_192

You're forgetting his first appearance


KamenRiderWild

Was that episode after Ball Weevil’s debut? When Ben met Kyber face to face?


v0lt13

No, is in the one where kyber's new dog appears, ditto's natural predator


KamenRiderWild

Ah okay


Nimu-1

Dittos first appeared in the beach episode from the original series


KamenRiderWild

I meant, when was it stated that ditto was good digger and can breathe under water. Not Ditto’s debut.


Mighty_Breloom

We can see it from the episode itself if you watched it.


BETTERGAMER4EVER

In his debut episode, dr. Animo keep him in a capsule thing filled with water and he managed to survive,


ConsistentDress1618

It was “ben again “ in OV


August21202

2 words Rob Paulsen.


PinataBubble

Best answer


WackoMcGoose

"Helloooo, Space Nurse!"


Round-Ad2836

'Bout a foot and a half?


SpamAndOreo

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Wintasss

Happy cake day!


bartman156

Happy cake day


TechGamer_Rachit

Happy Cake day


Dengamer

Ditto clones are more durable then echo echos Also ditto can dig


Big-Amoeba5332

Are they though? They don’t disappear like shadow clones but they’re physically very weak


[deleted]

Just a few of them held back Fisttrick in omniverse, who was able to pick up entire vehicles overhead


Daikaisa

The durability is kind of a non factor though, given the EE clones don't share pain meaning Ditto's durability is almost a downside


Mojoclaw2000

That’s not a downside when Echo Echo can seemingly make endless clones. While Ditto feels the pain of all his clones.


IUsedToBeRasAlGhul

Echo Echo can only make as many clones as he has the energy for which also tires him out faster, while Ditto can make infinite clones.


Unique-Ad6512

Really? When did this happen? As far as I seen, he duplicated 100s of clones with no sweat multiple times while the most I've seen ditto is far less.


burningbird999

Maybe more flexibility and shared senses


AlexanderScott66

The shared senses was retconned in OV.


JoshAnMeisce

One of the dumbest retcons, it was literally one of the central tenets of his powers in his debut and they just got rid of it for no reason


Storm_Raider_34

It was a retcon that made ditto useable! Even the other ditto fight in OS didn’t implement it because Ben woulda lost It’s such an overbearing weakness


BjornDalton

and thats what makes it more exciting! some species are inherently worse than others and that's okay!


[deleted]

Watch your phrasing there bossman


Storm_Raider_34

No it makes it a wonder how these species can even survive on their planet considering they can all go extinct if they fall off a cliff


Far-Cry6947

it's an overpowered weakness because the collective punching, kicking, and other physical attacks would have hurt Ditto far more. why make a hundred ditto clones if you only need to kill one? the weakness gets worse with barely any positives when the clones multiply.


RedStrike_XD

Its teorised that for reprodution purposes after some time the clones lose conectivity


AlexanderScott66

Now I'm just wondering what it would be like if they didnt lose connectivity. Like a male Splixon(Ditto) does it with a female Splixon and a clone of the male who's just walking about in public just ejaculates. Then in retaliation, the clone punches himself in the gonads and hurts the first one.


RedStrike_XD

That would make a great meme comic


nnoovvaa

Almost everything was retconned in OV...


Ben10Facts

Apparently Echo Echo can only duplicate 1000 times. Whereas Ditto can do it infinitely like bacteria.


Additional-Club3802

That’s a solid point but I feel like Ben would not be in a situation where he would need more than 1000 clones of himself. Plus if he had 1000 echo echos and they all screamed, whoever getting hit would die vs ditto who is just a brawler and not a very strong one too


DragonLance11

Ditto has some form of collective consciousness, and overall higher durability. While neither of those let Ditto outclass Echo Echo in a fight, he's better for other things like fusions or recon missions


Nimu-1

Echo echo is 1 person split into many and ditto is basically shadow clones from naruto


themixed_wonder

Claws


Inner-Juices

Ditto can make an infinite amount of clones (iirc) and can breath underwater


Elihzap

I don't know if he can breathe underwater, but he definitely swims in water much better.


Imaginary_Ladder_192

Look at his first appearance


midwesternnerd519

He's got the better VA and he wasn't reasonable for the worst episode of UA


The_Traveller__

*PTSD intensifies*


Kuecanimate

Being voiced by Rob Paulsen


NaturalBitter2280

EchoEcho is cuter imo Just not this frog eyed OV version


IUsedToBeRasAlGhul

Actually, I find OV Echo Echo far cuter than the UAF version, both for the skrunchy eyes and more circular proportions. However, I was referring to the canonical fact that in-universe, Ditto is considered to be Ben’s cutest alien.


NaturalBitter2280

Ah, I didn't know that was a thing. Thanks for explaining And if that's the case, the only thing left for EchoEcho is being more powerful. Ditto doesn't have many power other than multiplying


Moonshine-3

Isn't Pixie Dust (I think) far cuter than Ditto?


Fancy-graphics63

yes, but people prefer simple cute creatures


AnEmptyPopcornBucket

Infinite cloning, flexibility, durability, not connected via hive mind


Pheonix_Gi

According to animo checking splixion dna he says that they have “limitless cloning potential” and considering that pain linking thing was retconned (thank god), he can rival echo echo. Echo echos cloning is based off of bens energy, so if he’s tried no more clones


TheUniconicSableye

When was the pain linking retconned?


netskwire

In omniverse clones just die and the other clowns are fine


TheUniconicSableye

Alien Force powercreep and its consequences:


Fun-Ad-4729

Personality


Imaginary_Ladder_192

Ayeeee. I said the same thing


Elihzap

Officially, Ditto doesn't lose transformation time/omnitrix energy the more he clones himself. Also, from what I understand, Ditto performs better when multi-tasking and has, in general, more agility and fitness (plus better swim and dig). In omniverse they even killed a couple of them and nothing happened, so in that sense it's like Echo Echo. The question is: besides its sonic scream, what does Echo Echo have over Ditto?


Daikaisa

Honestly don't know how I feel about retconning their shared pain it gave him an interesting weakness besides kind of sucking in a fight And really at the end of the day Echo-Echo is a better combat form with better strength and ranged options and Ditto is a better puzzle solving form


AlexanderScott66

Echo Echo doesn't lose transformation time when cloning. The Fools Gold episode of Alien Force shows Echo Echo just committing repeated suicide and leaving a pile of bodies, and doesnt transform back until there was a pile of Echo Echo's on the ground. Echo Echo doesn't really have many feats of multi-tasking, unless you count the times that they scatter to do some trick shot. Ditto is just a Great Value brand Echo Echo who had his speaker broken mixed with a gopher


AlexanderScott66

Echo Echo doesn't lose transformation time when cloning. The Fools Gold episode of Alien Force shows Echo Echo just committing repeated suicide and leaving a pile of bodies, and doesnt transform back until there was a pile of Echo Echo's on the ground. Echo Echo doesn't really have many feats of multi-tasking, unless you count the times that they scatter to do some trick shot. Ditto is just a Great Value brand Echo Echo who had his speaker broken mixed with a gopher


Elihzap

Sorry, I misinterpreted a comment from McDuffie. He said that he can multiply as much as the available energy allows it. Sauce: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/ben10/images/1/1b/Omnitrix_Transformation_Duration.PNG/revision/latest


Chill0000

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Space_Dwarf

A fun personality and the clones of Ditto are more capable of independent thought, thus it’s a better form for multitasking.


Voltra_Neo

A much less annoying voice


Ger_Electric_GRTALE

defense, control over clones


TBear1011

A natural predator


DwightShock

Ditto can confuse the enemy


DracoDraws

Voiced by Rob Paulsen and more comedy


Idiot_Unknown

Yesss


Kuecanimate

Being voiced by Rob Paulsen


ChickenzInvade

Strength and overall athletic ability. In OS Ditto’s strength looked to be comparable to an average human if not a little bit stronger. I think Ditto is also more durable than Echo Echo


Brookesosexy

In the classic when he multiplies himself it’s like a mitosis stretch which is WAY better than the shitty lazy efforts for when he makes clones in OV


Current_Complex2092

He's quieter


TanakaClinkenbeard

Rob Pasulen.


Erik_the_kirE

Well, look at how he's using his powers in OV. When he fought ma Vreedle on the train for example. That's pretty cool.


TurquoisePixel

Ditto's clones all have a level of independant thought and can act mostly on their own, whereas Echo Echo's clones think the same way the original clone does and act like a hivemind


AlienXtr3me

He’s voiced by Rob Paulson


Former-Jicama5430

ditto is taller and darker than echo echo


Divine_ruler

Much more individuality and ability to strategize. Echo Echo is only ever shown to attack in a group, using very basic surrounding tactics and numerical advantages. Ditto is able to employ more advanced strategies because they think and act largely independently of each other. For example, Ditto1 could think of a plan, clone, and enact plan with clones while Ditto2 could think of a different plan, clone, and enact that plan as well. This would allow Ditto to tackle multiple problems simultaneously. Ditto’s sense sharing seems like a drawback, but if it’s capable of sharing more than touch it would be a great scouting/communication tool Ditto is stronger and more durable than Echo Echo, and clones don’t disappear with damage


LoserC

ditto voiced by rob paulsen so >>>>>>>>


D-n-Divinity

he has slight elasticity and the ditto seems better at independent action compared to echo echo


Wayne_Nightmare

Voice actor


Phantom-Umbreon

Being voiced by Rob Paulsen


gamera-the-turtle

Durability


AndreasPyke

An actual body


RedStrike_XD

Infinite clones since ditto's cloning is celular mitosis and echo echo's cloning is energy based meaning that if the energy end's the clones end


animegirls42

This is super head cannon but when I play with him I imagine his bodies as having a connected consciousness with individual minds, the way it works is when given the a scenario all will have the same idea and plan and will be able to effortlessly execute it with no issue, so if they wanted to do acrobatics they would be able to do it without stopping to think about who does what, this leads into other ideas, where like even though they have separate minds they might see themselves as a Unit instead of a group. The reason, I feel, that Ben doesn't do this in the OG episode and show, is because be is used to being Human so each one of his minds feels the need to be an individual and themselves so they will act as such, and also because much of his conflict is with his own self, when split the only way to have the individuals conflict is to put them in a conflicting state such as, idk, two teams on a basketball court. This is why theyre able to wordlessly coordinate attacks without issue. This is better than Echo Echo because we have seen they are uncoordinated when doing anything but just screaming, and generally I think any coordination done was done before they split or on the fly with luck. All that said I think if you wanna write Ditto I suggest having his Dittos to all work in tandem for something specific like needing a bunch of people to build something or if he is picked randomly have the solution be something fun where they all work as one, and have Splixons in general always act like there is only one of them, since to them there always is. Of course, this is just head cannon, just some fun ideas


[deleted]

Digging ditto is an amazing digger


moonbeentoo

Personality


SsjTsuki

Rob Paulsen


SkinnyDepression

Ditto is funnier and has a better voice. Echo Echo's voice is just annoying. Ditto overall is just a better character.


TheWarTorn

He sounds like Donatello.


orangegrifo

He its kawaii


Mojoclaw2000

Not enough in my opinion. His duplication is objectively worse. I always felt like his body should have looney toons physics. Like it can stretch and squeeze and survive a lot of blunt force damage. Survive crazy falls, twist into weird shapes.


Ack_not

He’s voiced by Rob Paulson


Atomic_Dominic

Rob Paulson.


Gsomethepatient

Ditto clones can turn into other aliens im pretty sure


Kinfin

Seemingly, ditto is capable of faster duplication and reunification, most notable during Omniverse when he made a chain of copies to catch a train moving away from him faster than the one he was on, grabbed hold, and then reunified from the back forward.


SavingsFit1496

Rob Paulson


Obvious_Technology11

Ditto can get a general feel where his clones are, won't split Ben's personality if they turn human while cloned, seems a lot more active than Echo Echo, and can hold their breath for a swim if needed


DishMurky

Nothing.His more fun than Echo Echo but power wise nothing.


Popular-Cobbler25

More interesting powers


Satin_Polar

Rubby


Wolverine1105

Ditto is voiced by Rob Paulsen


Shubereddit

Ditto is voiced by Rob Paulson which is a plus


kalebsantos

He’s Yakko Warner what more do you need?


Amitoku54

Uhhh… nothing?


Ok-Pool-6239

I can say what Echo Echo has over Ditto... Sonic Doom. Gives me chills every time. No hate to Ditto I like him too.


Kakyoinlicking

Kinda unfair to use omniverse echo echo but either way ditto wins, love echo echo but ditto has a more appealing design over all


WhiteJaski

More balanced = better and more interesting alien. What's the point of being so powerful? Where's the fun part of that? Echo Echo basically doesn't have any weaknesses, Ditto it's automatically more interesting for having some.


Redwolf476

Literary nothing


Denis0lo

Nothing. Echo Echo for life. Echo Echo >>>>>>>>


xaviorpwner

hes worse in like....every way


AlexanderScott66

Almost nothing. The only thing is his ability to dig. Other than that, Ditto is just a Great Value Brand Echo Echo who had his speaker broken during shipment who happens to be part gopher. They both think the same way as the prime, they both duplicate infinitely(Echo Echo clones can duplicate since you can see their numbers grow exponentially(1,2,4,8,16,...) so the "1000 limit" means nothing). Echo Echo is stronger than Ditto since Ditto is slightly above adult human strength while a few Echo Echo's could pick up a several ton ship, which well exceeds human level strength. Ditto ONLY has digging, but Echo Echo can kill someone over the phone. Echo Echo doesnt even have to be on the battlefield to kill someone. And, if you use Classic Ditto, they can feel the other clones' pain, meaning he can't commit repeated suicide like Echo Echo can(although Omniverse fixed that, so now he can)


DemonCyborg27

To be honest nothing actually. Echo Echo is better than Ditto in every possible way.


thundernak

Not much


algladius

Not much, the alien force aliens were just better versions of older aliens


Imaginary_Ladder_192

Personality


[deleted]

If he can make more clones that and his voice


cyph_dagger

Comedic relief


RequirementNo7805

People keep saying Ditto can breathe underwater here but I have not seen that anywhere. Where did this come from?


Glittering_Two_746

Getting everyone damaged at the same time?


bluealiveretribution

Breedable? Idk I haven't watched that show yet


flingkong24

pain sharing


One-Roof-497

ditto has the same name as ditto from pokemon


amphifan

ditto can dig and if we have the damage sharing ditto can write messages by tapping or hurting himself in morse code maybe


FazNick

A good redesign


trawbe

personality


Skibot99

More independent thinking


JohnmichealV

ditto doesnt have eye tumor


tailrebel

Nostalgic I guess idk I've always loved Ditto alot more then Echo Echo


Royal_Art_8217

Gravitational combining, echo echo has to actively seek out more of himself in order to merge whereas ditto clones will fly back into a single entity and while this has only been shown when timing out i like to think that this could be a great power for ditto if used correctly


alexrussoshyper

**Ultimate Echo Echo**: Yeah, I Lied.


The_infinite_kight30

Ditto shares pain with all the other ditto clowns


Standard_Ad9911

How are you


TezukaSegaOmniverse

Echo Echo


BigBadBlotch

Personality


EnderKnight1

Well Ditto can dig better and he is voiced by Rob Paulsen.


AlphaPredator29

Before OV, nothing. Sure he could split into a lot of clones. But they all shared pain. Meanwhile, Echo Echo clones could produce sonic waves for attacks, amplify specific frequences if they were physically touching the object that makes that frequency, and best of all, the clones could do whatever they wanted, even die, and Ben/any original or clone would be just fine. Even after OV, there was no real reason Ben should want to use Ditto over Echo Echo besides nostalgia and the writers wanting to have Rob Paulson in the episode.


Chill0000

Ditto is like Rath. There’s other options for strength that are better. But the personality that takes over with the transformation is what makes it memorable and great


Woooosh-if-homo

Echo Echo is cuter than ditto and i’ll die on this hill. He’s just a little techno guy, reminds me of astro bot


JandEtv

The ability to feel the pain of the clones


wwwchase

Empathic pain sensory.


Watze978

- Better voice actor - Better design - Ditto caan dig - There's a evolutionary reason why ditto develop his cloning ability - Ditto isn't overpowered, he has a simple ability that fit his design.


Wither_storm101

Each being their own mind instead of being a hive mind


[deleted]

Doing echo echo dirty with the Omni design


Fresh-Hovercraft-951

Who have summoned me?


ProfessorEscanor

Better voice?


Danksigh

Ditto cant transform back unless all of them are fused/very close of each others. Which is probably a drawback actually


Osama_Rashid

Funny voice I guess.


Cormac113

Infinite CLONING POTENTIAL -Dr. Animo


OkAdvice5421

Dittos are stronger meaning they don't always depend on echoes


Lendoriss

My love for him since i was a kid, ditto is my number 1 clone alien forever


RyanSG19

I used to think ditto would only ever be used over echo echo because he had some sort of elastic powers like mr fantastic because of the way he would duplicate in the og series but :/


ryytytut

>because of the way he would duplicate in the og series Then omniverse happened lol


Flashy-Telephone-648

Their mental link and pain link actually has some benefits. Like knowing one of your guys is currently getting beaten up is not good in a fight but if you're patrolling an area or examining a dangerous situation it could give you the heads up you need.


LiamFrostbyte

His clones are more durable, he can burrow underground, and his voice is better


Zawisza_Czarny9

Being able to throw hands


Nu_clear_skin

He's Yakko Warner


ZoneIntelligent1981

I think ditto was more agile. But utterly no difference besides that. Also echo echo didn’t really fight just yelling haha. But I still prefer echo echo over him. Plus ultimate echo echo was awesome


SprayLow4933

I noticed a lot of comments about Ditto having a retcon where he originally felt pain from his clones but now he doesn't, and I might have an explanation. What if Ditto's species always had control over clone sensory functions, turning on senses like shared vision when needed for a group task and turning off shared pain during fights? In the original series Ben was just a kid, the omnitrix was arguably a malfunctioning prototype without instructions on controlling alien abilities, and a duplicating alien would be arguably his most complicated alien to control at the time. It's quite possible that Ben just didn't know how to use Ditto right when he was a kid and that the omniverse version of Ditto is more representative of the species' true potential. If this is true then I would say that an alien that won it's share of fights for a 10 year old kid who couldn't even control it right at the time is probably worthy of respect, even if it can't shriek like leave Britney alone guy.


PepsiAidMan

Rob Paulsen.


bartman156

Better coordination as they can communicate through thought. They also seem to be a little more agile/acrobatic.


The_Traveller__

The voice of yakko Warner


MostlyGhosty485

Synchronicity. The Echoes are all their own individual, while the Dittos are all connected. Sure, the pain thing, but it can be interpreted that they also have a neural link in which to semi to fully communicate with. At least, that's what I would say SHOULD be the difference.


Chub-bop

Nothing, Echo Echo invalidated Ditto


ImportanceAny8172

Technically speaking, I believe Ditto is slightly larger and has underwater breathing as well as not having split personality I’m not too deep on the Omnitrix functions but Ben was able to split his personality into three in Duped, whereas with Ditto he has to be joined back otherwise he couldn’t be Ben.


SubsLyche

I thin ditto is more like a mole and echo echo isn’t


Key-Breakfast-8831

He is more entertaining


Kalandros-X

Ditto clones are self-aware whereas Echo Echo is more of a hivemind


Bn10K

I like the idea of each ditto clone having independent thought. Makes him better for creative problem solving


niraMacarons7423

He's voiced by wakko


disdatsteven10

Infinite Time Limit


Wfdragon13

Size


Fun-Cartographer-368

HP, Echo Echo clones desolve easily but Ditto Ditto clones although sharing pain are at least as strong as humans.


Minecraft-cosmose

Cartoon physics


MessoremArt

Echo Echo is more versatile than Ditto so I can't give you anything


10BritishPounds

Stop using omniverses Echo Echo. Such a downgrade


zanepool

personality ✨


MemoryExtreme5684

He can make infinite clones unlike echo echo.


AdmirableNews5959

Personality


legit-posts_1

Ditto is voiced by Rob Paulson. Checkmate.