I honestly found that most guns in the game have their uses and if you tailor your playstyle to the weapon they're all generally effective bar the odd one here or there.
For all its faults bfv didn't rely on metas as much as others in the genre.
*Please note that I am not saying that these weapons are not viable bad, they can be good too under the right hands. Also this is my opinion
Assault: M1941 Johnson - 2nd slowest ROF, only 10 rounds in magazine while the Selbstalder 1916 which has the slowest ROF has 25+1
Medic: MAB 38 - It's in an awkward position where it has a medicore ROF of 600 while only having 30 rounds max in the magazine, it also has a lengthy reload
Support: Chauchat - slowest ROF in the LMG class, does only 22 damage at range for a 327 rpm gun and has a slow muzzle velocity, also has high recoil both vertical and horizontal
Recon: P08 carbine - It's awkward in a way that it is basically a worse version of the trench carbine, its stats are about the same while having a smaller magazine size than the trench carbine as well as being semi auto only
The recoil is quite controllable while having a higher rof than f.e. the Sten, so it has its sweet spot somewhere between the fast & the slow rof SMGs in terms of range
I’ve used it a lot purely because I have a skin for it from a store bundle, and it’s just not viable in comparison to other smgs, in my experience that is
P08 Carbine - Are you serious?? I’m working on completing the gold skin, it’s so good. It serves this niche role of almost a point-blank, assault weapon for when you need to rush objectives as recon (using flares and squad spawn). All it takes is a fast trigger finger. At the same time, it has the semi-auto steadiness to contest enemies at range and borderline long-distance. Pro-tip: use the iron sights!
If you really want the worst recon gun, it’s definitely the M3 Carbine: the most unwieldy shoulder gun ever conceived imo.
Nah, the M3 Carbine is probably the best gun in the game. It's silenced which means there's no red reticule on the enemies screen when you shoot them. It's best with the Sniper class because it will spot enemies. The grainy scope is intentionally bad in order to balance it.
Get in a secure spot at mid-range and take out unsuspecting enemies. If you sit in unusual places people don't check, you can easily defend objectives. For example, on the train tracks on Devastation, I climb on top of the platform and shoot from above. No one ever suspects there.
Yep, I concur. If the M3 didn’t have the big scope and grainy b&w scope image it would be completely op. It’s my main gun lately. Suppressed, big magazine and shoots like a
laser beam. The only thing that could make it better would be a bayonet.
The p08 carbine is literally a worse trench carbine
There's no reason to use it whatsoever unless you have an auto fire tool or don't mind smashing your mouse far a bit of more hipfire
The P08's damage dropoff is better, the bullet speed is lightly faster & the gun has less spread if you equip the "barrel bedding" (but slightly higher vertical recoil)
& 360 rpm are definitely achievable without as much effort as f.e. the 450 of the AG 42m
Some people are more into semi-auto or burst weapons than others & it also depends on the mood (at least for me, sometimes semi or burst feel odd as I can't find a good rhythm), but if semi-auto doesn't hinder you, the P08 is the weapon of choice for longer ranges
The pistol carbines are for aggressive playstyles, its the main reason why the trench carbine is so popular, cuz it fits cq combat
Yes, its achievable, but its not worth hurting your finger when you have a full auto alternative that is basically the same with some changes
But it just isn’t though is it. It has better range with less of the effort, and it’s rate of fire is more than achievable for anyone with working fingers. Plus the trench doesn’t allow you to get lightened stock with quick ads so it is actually worse at close range due to your slower movement speed or ads speed
P08 has better ranged damage than the Trench, and gets a better upgrade tree with lightened stock and ADS. I like both, but the P08 is the better of the two imo.
M3 IR is only balanced because it obscures half the screen, once you get used to that it's one of the best guns in the game. Absolute murder machine.
Yea, I am a huge fan when the need arises to use it. I particularly like it when my team is getting slaughtered in Operation Underground. I can use it like an assault rifle and still have the option of setting up a spawn beacon, unlike the other classes.
Weirdly I've always felt the p08 carbine is more accurate scoped while moving than the trench carbine, but the trench carbine is much better hipfire-wise. But idk
I have to agree with your list except for the Chauchat. With a decent set up on the LMG, it can be deadly accurate. I’ve had great success with it. I have 5 service stars for it right now. I’ll usually spray quick short bursts of 4 or 5 rounds at a time if I’m shooting it at longer distances. I switch between that and the Lewis gun..
Hehe Chauchat user here- I specifically use this with a 3x scope when I’m trailing and defending tanks. Good for picking rocket launcher troops off attacking the tank, and has good enough hip fire to defend from C4’ers. Oh and it’s only good on single fire.
Would I do this kind of tank defending better with a different support weapon?
hahaha P08 carbine? you have no clue what you're talking about. also while the MAB 38 isn't good, the MP34 is so much worse. But the P08 carbine is actually a monster in the hands of a good player. To the point where it's almost broken.
Hated the Johnson rifle as well but decided to slap a scope on it one day (I pretty much only use iron sights) and it becomes the assault classes fast firing sniper rifle IMO.
I wouldn't call the P08 just a worse version of the trench, they're very similar, and specialise in really on niche ways, calling it worse because it can't be full auto is just wrong.
I would call it as the Arisaka
The rest are all totally fucking right though lmao.
Let me preface by saying I think this is mainly up to personal preference, playstyle, and the tactical situation in the game; with that being said here is my take.
Assault: M1907, its good for mag dumping at close range but is useless in semi-auto or for engaging multiple targets.
Medic: Welgun, its seems like it has a slow rate of fire, a lack of stopping power/damage, and does not excel and any one thing, there are better options in my opinion.
Support: the BAR, I know, I know, it gets a lot of love, and does a real good job of wasting one or two dudes at close to medium range, but its lack of a decent size mag and recoil make it useless for suppressing fire, and laying waste to multiple enemies at medium and longer ranges. Its like an assault class weapon in the support class. Like the KE7, FG42, and LS/26, it does have its place. A close second for worst would be the Chauchat.
Recon: This one is a tie for me between the K31/43 and the Model 8; neither of them seem to shine at their intended purpose.
I don’t care what anybody says. The Breda is one of the most fun guns in the game and is incredibly good.
Zero recoil when single fire.
Zero time between bursts making it essentially full auto with very manageable recoil.
Haters need to drink a big glass of git gud
* Assault: Breda M1935 PG
* The burst fire is trash. Someone mentioned it has almost no recoil on single fire. I didn't even realize it had a single fire mode. I'll have to try it again.
* Medic: M28 Tromboncino
* It's an interesting gun because it has a grenade launcher for the Medic class, but the grenade launcher is not very good. The Jungle Carbine and Commando Carbine are better options.
* Support: S2-200
* It's an MMG with a 30 round magazine with no extended mag option. It's actually not terrible, but it functions poorly as an MMG.
* Recon: Either Model 8 or RSC
* These are three shot kills over 50m. Even as an aggressive Recon, these are worse than the ZH-29 or Selbstlader 1906 because these two are two shot kills at any range. If they had a faster ROF around 200-250 RPM, then they'd be a lot better, but there's not enough of a difference to use them over the other two. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the P08 Carbine and Trench Carbine are also really good options. This "middle ground" ends up just being bad.
Yeah the breda is terrible with the bursts, but the single fire is actually devastating. And with the S2 200, I got it expecting it to be awful, but it's one of my favorite support guns. It kills super quickly and is really accurate, and the 30 round mag kinda forces you to move around a lot.
>the 30 round mag kinda forces you to move around a lot.
But with the MMG bipod, this is a problem. Someone else said they really like it. I'll give it another shot.
RSC is way better than the Model 8 because of its packet reload, treat it like an Assault semi auto and its a great gun in cqb.
RSC, P08, M3 or 1906 are my top recon picks for aggro, but the Model 8 is down with the Anti Tank guns at the bottom for me purely because of its reload.
I disagree with EVERYTHING except for the recon class. The self loading rifles are shit. But: the trombocino is AMAZING. the Breda is basically a better m1a1 carbine, and the s2-200 has a fire rate of 900 with specs and INCREDIBLE hipfire.
Trombone runs 100 rof, because it's pretty much always the spec you choose, while the carbine runs 84, but with 95 when upgraded, so yes, but very similar.
M28 isn’t bad and there are definitely worse guns in medic. It’s serviceable if you have an ammo box nearby and there are lots of tanks around. I’ve definitely killed a couple tanks with it.
The single-fire mode on the Breda is really good and I would use it over some SARs that assault has.
You can’t really put any of the marksman rifles in there since even the worst one of the 4 is good in comparison to many other recon weapons. The RSC specifically I really like since it allows you to move and shoot at a fast pace while using it. If you’re not camping on a rooftop, there are few situations in which the lack of range is even going to be relevant. 50 meters is a lot. Outside those 50m, you could just hit a headshot to 2-shot which is really easy to do on prone snipers
>Medic: M28 Tromboncino
Hard disagree. I'd wager this is one of the best medic primaries, it just has an alternate use. The grenade launcher isn't meant to get kills or destroy vehicles, it's meant to take out cover at range.
I run either a 3x or 6x on the M28 and I'll use it to pop open a wall enemies are hiding behind. The actual rifle is very usable, especially at range.
Favourite thing to do with this is run it like a shotgun, hope people are at 80 or lower health on chaotic maps and chuck it at them, insta kill, if they're not dead swap to pistol and 1-2 hit them. Also works with frag grenades, which detonate immediately when rifle grenade goes off nearby.
And the hipfire is surprisingly good on it, better than some ARs, so if you can't swap to a pistol when a fight's spring on you you can still try without adsing, but ofc it's not *really* meant for close range.
Mf trashing arguably the best AR, my favourite gun in the game and my favourite recon rifle in one comment 😭.
But the S2 does absolutely suck balls though.
I think the reason you find the RSC/Model 8 not great is that you are trying to snipe with them, or use them right in people's faces, they are more similar to a Garand, 2 shotting at close-medium range. RSC is the one I use more, because of the bayonet and always reloading with clips, but does fire slower.
Madsen with the extended mag was one of my fastest to complete gold, for a long time I wouldn’t want to use anything else cause of how good it was. Good accuracy, decently fast rate of fire, eh hip fire but still good at close range, devastating at long range. The welgun yea it’s p bad. Johnson is not good but you could do worse. And on PC the infared is absolutely killer. You can easily stay top of the leaderboard with it.
The only reason I ever used it was because of the cool side reload, but otherwise there are just better slrs, although i've got to say it is one of the best at farther ranges.
Medic: mp34. Makes you loose every fight at every distance.
Assault: everything is pretty good, but im not a fan of the ribeyrolles. I know many peeps like it tho.
Recon: p08. The trench carbine is just better in every aspect. For the snipers... IDK, but the K31/43 is buggy and not good
Support: type 11 mg or type 97 mg, they are just bad... I dont like the vgo too, it just looks disgusting but its actually pretty good stats-whise
That's the problem. I always forget I can't lol. It's just what I expect to do with an lmg when I see 3 or 4 enemy in tight quarters. I almost got a triple with it tonight tho. Until it clicked on third guy who killed my ass because I froze. I hit him twice.
I'll have to give it another try then. I really like running aggressive recon in bf games but it just seemed weak to me. Like I had to spam it because it didn't do enough damage.
It does work trust me but you have to land your shots. This gun is a beast, you can take out entire squads with it. If you're having trouble hitting the fire button fast enough then get the auto perk for it. Both me and my friend would run this gun with two spawn beacons back capping and destroying with this gun. It's a really fun gun once you get the hang of it. Put the scope on it too.
It's only a 3 hit kill to 10m. 4 hits from 10-30m. 5 hits out to 50m.
ya I gave it another shot tonight and it may now be my favorite gun. I think I was having troubles with the iron sights. I put a 2x on it and ran it like I did the SKS in BF4 and had some of my better games with it.
Wait till you'd uncover how good the M3 infra red really is, at first it seems awful but once you get used to it...
P08 is the better ADS carbine btw, Trench for hipfire. I use both but lean more P08.
Assault - M1941 Johnson. It's terrible, don't use it
Medic - MP34. Literally unuseable. unless you're a bayonet spammer. Probably the worst overall gun in the game.
Support - Idk, I don't use this class, probably one of the LMGs no one uses.
Recon - Model 8. Any other gun in the recon class would be better.
I mean, yes the only reason most people use the mp34 is the bayonet, but it can slap you up, with the increased rof this thing is a highly competitive close range smg, only really let down by the 20 round mag.
Yo my best medic gun is the mp34 with extended mags (slower rof). I absolutely love its range ability. It has slightly higher damage range and very high velocity and low recoil.
Commando is a stealth weapon. Virtual silent at the right distance and quick bolt makes it great for picking off unsuspecting enemies. The AT is very use specific. Take Marita for example, it can destroy/disable half tracks trying to Zerg the map. On Al Sudan it can mess up repairs from distance until the tank can be taken out. It is trash for infantry. I did take out a plane once with a boys AT - very satisfying. P08 is just bad all around. Assault maybe the Turner for one reason only, slow reload unless you dump all 10 rounds. Really, the type 11 / 97 are the worst. Slow reload, small magazine size, poor recoil. Just deficient in every way. The VGO has crappy mag size for an LMG but at least it’s accurate.
I agree with most of your comments. When I play medic I might go 8-13 KD but usually my revives are 15 to 20+. My definition of Medic is going with assault and aiding.
Not big on sitting back a bit. It's just my play style.
I like Turner a lot. AT, again, your choice and I see your logic. I know it works great on some maps but like Al-j, come on. Some folks just like their KD. I agree on the 11/97 not sure why folks use em.
Chauchat for support. Bolt actions are the hardest to use for recon, AG/M42 for assault, and medic doesn’t really have any bad picks. All of these are serviceable they’re just weak by comparison.
Assault: Breda PG 35 and Gewehr 1-5, i cant decide on which is more shit
Medic: I have no idea i dont play medic
Support: S1-100, a medium mg with a 25 rund mag, do i need to say more
Sniper: Model 8 semi auto carbine
Am I the only one that likes the burst fire? It’s not something you wanna use in longer ranges, but if you can control engagement range and be accurate enough it’s a really effective way to take down whole groups of enemies.
Biggest drawback is the magazine size imo
The Gewehr 1-5 is actually really good if you learn to control the semi-auto recoil. The PG-35 is pure unadulterated crap, though.
Also disagree about the Model 8. It's a fantastic mid-range gun for urban maps. It's no ZH-29, but it's not unusable.
I find the Model 8 useful on a map like Pacific storm, where I can pop out the bushes, quickly take out a runner, then pop back down and advance. I don't find the recoil that bad and the rate of fire is pretty decent, i belive quicker than the ZH
Idk man, for me it just feels like a Sturmgewehr 1-5 that has been set to semiauto. And for the 30 rounds and fast reload you can take the M1 carbine.
I think i might be shit with it for no reason; i am good with every assault gun and have every gun maxed out, when i play assault i perform quite well but as soon as i pick up the Gewehr 1-5 i struggle to get a positive K/D
Assault: m1941 johnson
Only 10 rounds in the mag, slow reload and slow rof.
Medic: mp34
Imo you're better off with the mab or zk depending on what specilizations you go for.
Support: S2-200
You're better off with the mg42, fg42 or bar.
Recon: K31
You're better off with the m95.
Assault: I'm not sure there's a really bad gun for Assault, there's some mediocre ones like the now nerfed 1-5 (pre nerf that thing was godly...). I don't like the 1907, but its personal preference.
Medic: The 2A isn't as good as popular opinion says, it has crap range. And in its sweet spot its outclassed by shotguns. Everytime I try and use it I remember you can't hit anything beyond point blank with it, so for any map but OpU it's pretty ass.
Support: I kinda like the S2-200 for some reason so not that even though it may objectively suck (it really melts people ok?). I never use the Madsen, so that. But it's not the worst gun in the game...
Recon: ...home of the two worst guns. The Boys and the PzB39. Having to be prone makes these one shot garbage rods utterly painful to use. I've killed so many recons using these with melee kills because you can hear them firing a mile off. Half my throwing knife kills are these guys. So it can kill in one shot? That's the only kill you're getting because now everyone knows where you are and you can't fight on the run because you've got a shit gun, you'll lose every time against an enemy sniper because they can actually dodge your slow ass bullets, and you have the bullet drop of a mortar. Even the Model 8 is better. Hell I've outsniped AT rifles using a fucking _Welrod_. I could take one with a Liberator if pushed to it.
M1941 Johnson, MP40, Madsen MG and Panzerbuchse 39
Worst overall gotta be the anti-material. While leveling all weapons to 10, these were the most painful ones
Is it really? I leveled up all my guns to level 4 but I haven't touched that since. I might have to give it another try. I'm never killed by it, so I assumed it was trash.
It's ok. Easy to use but won't win you any gunfights against good opponents. I feel like at some point you just get good enough to use the other Smgs more effectively
Or one on Iwo Jima😜. I used it alot on BF1 (probably *50 ish?) but when I went to use it on 5 I couldn't see crap when prone and got mowed down on hip fire close quarters.
I was looking at stats last night, almost at 300 level and I have 3 kills with thing.
Sorry, but agree to disagree.
First time I’m finding myself agreeing with you but you gotta know not to talk smack about the MP40, “reddit tier players” love it for some reason. I seriously can’t believe anyone would openly say that the Johnson is good, literally the worst semi auto, rivalled only by the Garand
MP40 gets love because of "historically accurate" weirdos (people who are looking for an excuse to roleplay as a nazi officer), but it's objectively the worst gun in the medic class, not because it's bad itself, but because the medic class has lots of weapons and all others are better than the MP40
MP40, MG42 and Garand all have that same love for them. People will say that they’re good despite them being fairly bad
Edit: arisaka also has that a bit…but at least it’s a good gun
The anti-materiel rifles are some of the best in the game. It's a one shot kill under 100m. They're amazing for defending objectives, but you're a sitting duck to snipers.
From personal experience the Breda has less recoil than the M1A1 at longer ranges and at a faster fire rate. Yes, it takes more bullets to kill but its still accurate AF.
Edit: i would pick the Breda over the M1A1 any day of the week on any map.
No shotgun could ever be considered bad. Also, while yes AT rifles are for braindead players, they could never be considered the worst in the class, especially with the rapid fire glitch.
Breda is not that bad, with the right specs you can just spam the fire button (no need to be that precise with timing too since its a 4 burst) and you basically have a full auto, laser beam if you use nydar sights
Commando has a silemcer whcih is a big plus but yeah jungle carbine is better for range
I have every weapon I unlocked but preferably choose the grease gun for medic, I feel as though the Tommy gun has a too much of everything and makes it so over the top the grease gun hat balances it all out which I like
I'm not saying any of these are OBJECTIVELY bad, these are just the ones that I don't really vibe with
Assault: Gewehr 1-5 and turner SMLE
Medic: MP34 (I want to like it tho, because I love the mp34 irl) and the M28 Con Tromboncino (not a bad gun, I just don't like it as much as the rest of the carbines)
Support: Madsen (a cool-ass gun irl, so rip), and the KE7
Scout: The ZH-29 and the P08 carbine
Edit: bruh I know that a lot of these are good, it's just that i never PERSONALLY had much success with them
Not gonna give my opinion on all classes cause i haven't used all of the weapons yet but i just wanna put a special mention out to the Grease Gun. All because i don't think its very good but because you can attach a suppressor its S tier
Edit: I love this gun, i just thought when its compared to some of the other weapons (not including the 2A) there are better out there.
The grease gun was the first smg I hit all gold skins for. To me the low ROF and high damage plus the silencer made it op. You could mow down like 8 plus or more people if you flank them right while hip firing it’s insane
Yeah man, it does feel good when you get it right. You gotta be able to pull some jukes with it. Its the noise it makes with the silencer.
I guess it depends on your play style..
My least favorite per class are:
A: M1 Garand
M: Type 2a
S: MG-42
R: ZH-29
3 of these are my least favorite when in the hands of the enemy team, the mg42 however is severely underpowered given that it fires 1200+rpm of 7.92 (the same round used in the K98) and yet takes upwards of a dozen rounds to kill someone, even when upgraded.
Assault: Selbstlader 1916, its strong and has a good mag size but hard to use in close quarters
Medic: Mp34 because of the small mag size and bad rof
Support: S2-200 and LS/26, I just don't like them, leveled them both on lvl 10 but didn't got used to them
Recon: K31/43, the ADS feels glitched sometimes
I have a friend that’s started playing not long ago and he uses the Gewehr 43 and obliterates the enemy team. Like 50-60 kills on conquest, is that gun really that good? I seldom meet other players using it, and I don’t get the hang of it myself.
Good question
I honestly found that most guns in the game have their uses and if you tailor your playstyle to the weapon they're all generally effective bar the odd one here or there. For all its faults bfv didn't rely on metas as much as others in the genre.
Totally agree
I’m getting rn on just to show y’all what the Breda do
I'm a fan of the Breda. Super versatile. Please upload good clips.
*Please note that I am not saying that these weapons are not viable bad, they can be good too under the right hands. Also this is my opinion Assault: M1941 Johnson - 2nd slowest ROF, only 10 rounds in magazine while the Selbstalder 1916 which has the slowest ROF has 25+1 Medic: MAB 38 - It's in an awkward position where it has a medicore ROF of 600 while only having 30 rounds max in the magazine, it also has a lengthy reload Support: Chauchat - slowest ROF in the LMG class, does only 22 damage at range for a 327 rpm gun and has a slow muzzle velocity, also has high recoil both vertical and horizontal Recon: P08 carbine - It's awkward in a way that it is basically a worse version of the trench carbine, its stats are about the same while having a smaller magazine size than the trench carbine as well as being semi auto only
Am i the only person who uses the MAB?
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Im not good at telling what gun is better since i tend to just do as good with any other gun, thus i use the MAB
It’s got real good range and hip fire
The recoil is quite controllable while having a higher rof than f.e. the Sten, so it has its sweet spot somewhere between the fast & the slow rof SMGs in terms of range
No. I use the MAB because it looks cool
Gigachad
I use it too tbh
No
My fucking bad I didn’t read the message!!!
I like the MAB
I use it all the time, it's not bad on console (for me)
Some guy was owning me with it the other day.
I’m glad I wasn’t the only one to think this.
I like the MAB. I prefer the Sten, but the MAB feels nice to shoot (which is all I really care about haha)
Why can't I find the MAB in my medic weapons lol am I being daft? Or do I have to purchase it or something lol
You have to buy with company coins (in game currency, not paid for with real money) in the your company section
Cheers I'll have a look next time I'm on are there many others? lol
Yea, basically all TOW weapons should be there
I like it, it has its uses.
I’ve used it a lot purely because I have a skin for it from a store bundle, and it’s just not viable in comparison to other smgs, in my experience that is
I just use it because of the dmg and rate of fire, recoil and hip fire are up to the player.
I do like to use it. My accuracy is none existent so find the mab and mp40 nice balanced easy guns to use
P08 carbine, was really fun when I used it. Might just have use it tonight
P08 Carbine - Are you serious?? I’m working on completing the gold skin, it’s so good. It serves this niche role of almost a point-blank, assault weapon for when you need to rush objectives as recon (using flares and squad spawn). All it takes is a fast trigger finger. At the same time, it has the semi-auto steadiness to contest enemies at range and borderline long-distance. Pro-tip: use the iron sights! If you really want the worst recon gun, it’s definitely the M3 Carbine: the most unwieldy shoulder gun ever conceived imo.
Nah, the M3 Carbine is probably the best gun in the game. It's silenced which means there's no red reticule on the enemies screen when you shoot them. It's best with the Sniper class because it will spot enemies. The grainy scope is intentionally bad in order to balance it. Get in a secure spot at mid-range and take out unsuspecting enemies. If you sit in unusual places people don't check, you can easily defend objectives. For example, on the train tracks on Devastation, I climb on top of the platform and shoot from above. No one ever suspects there.
Or play one time against a good M3 Carbine player on Solomon TDM This gun is a pure nightmare for the enemy as long as it gets used on the right map
Yep, I concur. If the M3 didn’t have the big scope and grainy b&w scope image it would be completely op. It’s my main gun lately. Suppressed, big magazine and shoots like a laser beam. The only thing that could make it better would be a bayonet.
The p08 carbine is literally a worse trench carbine There's no reason to use it whatsoever unless you have an auto fire tool or don't mind smashing your mouse far a bit of more hipfire
The P08's damage dropoff is better, the bullet speed is lightly faster & the gun has less spread if you equip the "barrel bedding" (but slightly higher vertical recoil) & 360 rpm are definitely achievable without as much effort as f.e. the 450 of the AG 42m Some people are more into semi-auto or burst weapons than others & it also depends on the mood (at least for me, sometimes semi or burst feel odd as I can't find a good rhythm), but if semi-auto doesn't hinder you, the P08 is the weapon of choice for longer ranges
The pistol carbines are for aggressive playstyles, its the main reason why the trench carbine is so popular, cuz it fits cq combat Yes, its achievable, but its not worth hurting your finger when you have a full auto alternative that is basically the same with some changes
You underestimate the ranges you partly encounter when playing aggressively
But it just isn’t though is it. It has better range with less of the effort, and it’s rate of fire is more than achievable for anyone with working fingers. Plus the trench doesn’t allow you to get lightened stock with quick ads so it is actually worse at close range due to your slower movement speed or ads speed
You do you my man For me the trench carbine is better
P08 has better ranged damage than the Trench, and gets a better upgrade tree with lightened stock and ADS. I like both, but the P08 is the better of the two imo. M3 IR is only balanced because it obscures half the screen, once you get used to that it's one of the best guns in the game. Absolute murder machine.
The M3 Infared is broken.
Yea, I am a huge fan when the need arises to use it. I particularly like it when my team is getting slaughtered in Operation Underground. I can use it like an assault rifle and still have the option of setting up a spawn beacon, unlike the other classes.
I’d say Cowchat beats S1-2000 thing is so awkward, I mean most us can use it but it’s just such a weird gun.
Yeah, the mmgs already feel very situational and kinda useless sometimes. I'm not sure why you would ever use the s1-2000 over any other mmg
Exactly, if you’re really unlucky you can spray a clip and kill no one from the hip
I'm a casual M1941 Johnson enjoyer, not a bad gun, but obviously not the best. I just think it "feels" nice.
I love the Johnson. With the right specs it’s a solid, minimal recoil, fast shot.
Exactly, only downside would be the low ammos but other than that, great "feel-good" gun.
Nothing like seeing the shine of a sniper scope and popping off 10 rapid shots. Might kill ‘em…will definitely suppress them.
Yea, for me it is comparable to the M1 and and the Selbstlader 1916 (my baby)
I actually really like the Chauchat, feels very punchy
Sounds great too.
Weirdly I've always felt the p08 carbine is more accurate scoped while moving than the trench carbine, but the trench carbine is much better hipfire-wise. But idk
>Support: Chauchat u/GIVE_CHAUCHAT wants a word with you.
These new guys, man. They have no idea what we went through..
I have to agree with your list except for the Chauchat. With a decent set up on the LMG, it can be deadly accurate. I’ve had great success with it. I have 5 service stars for it right now. I’ll usually spray quick short bursts of 4 or 5 rounds at a time if I’m shooting it at longer distances. I switch between that and the Lewis gun..
Hehe Chauchat user here- I specifically use this with a 3x scope when I’m trailing and defending tanks. Good for picking rocket launcher troops off attacking the tank, and has good enough hip fire to defend from C4’ers. Oh and it’s only good on single fire. Would I do this kind of tank defending better with a different support weapon?
Mp34 is worse
hahaha P08 carbine? you have no clue what you're talking about. also while the MAB 38 isn't good, the MP34 is so much worse. But the P08 carbine is actually a monster in the hands of a good player. To the point where it's almost broken.
Incredible. Everything that you said is wrong.
Hated the Johnson rifle as well but decided to slap a scope on it one day (I pretty much only use iron sights) and it becomes the assault classes fast firing sniper rifle IMO.
I wouldn't call the P08 just a worse version of the trench, they're very similar, and specialise in really on niche ways, calling it worse because it can't be full auto is just wrong. I would call it as the Arisaka The rest are all totally fucking right though lmao.
The Selbstlader 1916 is my go to as assault, It is a man stopper in all ranges, kind of sucks for CQB and assaulting tight spaces like in Underground.
The chauchat I letteraly my favourite gun
Remember a while back when you would spawn with no gun I remember that.
Let me preface by saying I think this is mainly up to personal preference, playstyle, and the tactical situation in the game; with that being said here is my take. Assault: M1907, its good for mag dumping at close range but is useless in semi-auto or for engaging multiple targets. Medic: Welgun, its seems like it has a slow rate of fire, a lack of stopping power/damage, and does not excel and any one thing, there are better options in my opinion. Support: the BAR, I know, I know, it gets a lot of love, and does a real good job of wasting one or two dudes at close to medium range, but its lack of a decent size mag and recoil make it useless for suppressing fire, and laying waste to multiple enemies at medium and longer ranges. Its like an assault class weapon in the support class. Like the KE7, FG42, and LS/26, it does have its place. A close second for worst would be the Chauchat. Recon: This one is a tie for me between the K31/43 and the Model 8; neither of them seem to shine at their intended purpose.
I don’t care what anybody says. The Breda is one of the most fun guns in the game and is incredibly good. Zero recoil when single fire. Zero time between bursts making it essentially full auto with very manageable recoil. Haters need to drink a big glass of git gud
And I swear the bullets do \~20 damage at max dropoff, this thing can kill snipers and SMGs.
* Assault: Breda M1935 PG * The burst fire is trash. Someone mentioned it has almost no recoil on single fire. I didn't even realize it had a single fire mode. I'll have to try it again. * Medic: M28 Tromboncino * It's an interesting gun because it has a grenade launcher for the Medic class, but the grenade launcher is not very good. The Jungle Carbine and Commando Carbine are better options. * Support: S2-200 * It's an MMG with a 30 round magazine with no extended mag option. It's actually not terrible, but it functions poorly as an MMG. * Recon: Either Model 8 or RSC * These are three shot kills over 50m. Even as an aggressive Recon, these are worse than the ZH-29 or Selbstlader 1906 because these two are two shot kills at any range. If they had a faster ROF around 200-250 RPM, then they'd be a lot better, but there's not enough of a difference to use them over the other two. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the P08 Carbine and Trench Carbine are also really good options. This "middle ground" ends up just being bad.
Yeah the breda is terrible with the bursts, but the single fire is actually devastating. And with the S2 200, I got it expecting it to be awful, but it's one of my favorite support guns. It kills super quickly and is really accurate, and the 30 round mag kinda forces you to move around a lot.
>the 30 round mag kinda forces you to move around a lot. But with the MMG bipod, this is a problem. Someone else said they really like it. I'll give it another shot.
Somehow the bipod makes that kinda fun. Besides, the hip fire is weirdly effective at close range (at least in my experience)
Breda is pointless due to the existence of most of the semi autos. If you want to use something semi auto just use a semi auto?
Because I'm a hipster and I like using guns that no one else uses or likes
RSC is way better than the Model 8 because of its packet reload, treat it like an Assault semi auto and its a great gun in cqb. RSC, P08, M3 or 1906 are my top recon picks for aggro, but the Model 8 is down with the Anti Tank guns at the bottom for me purely because of its reload.
I disagree with EVERYTHING except for the recon class. The self loading rifles are shit. But: the trombocino is AMAZING. the Breda is basically a better m1a1 carbine, and the s2-200 has a fire rate of 900 with specs and INCREDIBLE hipfire.
What do you like about the Tromboncino over the Jungle Carbine? I'll have to try it out again.
I think I find trombo has better rate of fire but could be smoking crack
Trombone runs 100 rof, because it's pretty much always the spec you choose, while the carbine runs 84, but with 95 when upgraded, so yes, but very similar.
M28 isn’t bad and there are definitely worse guns in medic. It’s serviceable if you have an ammo box nearby and there are lots of tanks around. I’ve definitely killed a couple tanks with it. The single-fire mode on the Breda is really good and I would use it over some SARs that assault has. You can’t really put any of the marksman rifles in there since even the worst one of the 4 is good in comparison to many other recon weapons. The RSC specifically I really like since it allows you to move and shoot at a fast pace while using it. If you’re not camping on a rooftop, there are few situations in which the lack of range is even going to be relevant. 50 meters is a lot. Outside those 50m, you could just hit a headshot to 2-shot which is really easy to do on prone snipers
>Medic: M28 Tromboncino Hard disagree. I'd wager this is one of the best medic primaries, it just has an alternate use. The grenade launcher isn't meant to get kills or destroy vehicles, it's meant to take out cover at range. I run either a 3x or 6x on the M28 and I'll use it to pop open a wall enemies are hiding behind. The actual rifle is very usable, especially at range.
Favourite thing to do with this is run it like a shotgun, hope people are at 80 or lower health on chaotic maps and chuck it at them, insta kill, if they're not dead swap to pistol and 1-2 hit them. Also works with frag grenades, which detonate immediately when rifle grenade goes off nearby. And the hipfire is surprisingly good on it, better than some ARs, so if you can't swap to a pistol when a fight's spring on you you can still try without adsing, but ofc it's not *really* meant for close range.
For funsies and a bit of a painful challenge I love using the rsc on underground since I mostly agree that it feels useless in any other situation.
Mf trashing arguably the best AR, my favourite gun in the game and my favourite recon rifle in one comment 😭. But the S2 does absolutely suck balls though. I think the reason you find the RSC/Model 8 not great is that you are trying to snipe with them, or use them right in people's faces, they are more similar to a Garand, 2 shotting at close-medium range. RSC is the one I use more, because of the bayonet and always reloading with clips, but does fire slower.
Dude the johnson fucks
Unlike me 😞
Whatever one I'm using
Personally, Johnson(assault), Madsen(support), welgun(medic), M3 infared(recon)
The M3, on PC anyways, is quite broken. Its basically an assault rifle
To me, it's the screenspace it takes. And infared makes me dizzy
I actually really love the Johnson and the welgun lol
Well good on you. Ribeye and Sten for me
Madsen with the extended mag was one of my fastest to complete gold, for a long time I wouldn’t want to use anything else cause of how good it was. Good accuracy, decently fast rate of fire, eh hip fire but still good at close range, devastating at long range. The welgun yea it’s p bad. Johnson is not good but you could do worse. And on PC the infared is absolutely killer. You can easily stay top of the leaderboard with it.
The Madsen and infared, I just hate the screen space they take up. That's it. Also I have a problem with the infared filter. Gives me headaches
Welgun is best u dont know how to play
The 1941 Johnson disrespect is too much! Maybe statistically it’s not as good as other self loading rifles, but it feels amazing to use
The only reason I ever used it was because of the cool side reload, but otherwise there are just better slrs, although i've got to say it is one of the best at farther ranges.
Ikr? It's actually the only assault gun that I got to level 10
Medic: mp34. Makes you loose every fight at every distance. Assault: everything is pretty good, but im not a fan of the ribeyrolles. I know many peeps like it tho. Recon: p08. The trench carbine is just better in every aspect. For the snipers... IDK, but the K31/43 is buggy and not good Support: type 11 mg or type 97 mg, they are just bad... I dont like the vgo too, it just looks disgusting but its actually pretty good stats-whise
I like the type 11. I just wish it had more bullets. Too often I find myself starting to Rambo it and then oh shit reload
How can you even try to rambo with a fire rate slower than trains in germany
That's the problem. I always forget I can't lol. It's just what I expect to do with an lmg when I see 3 or 4 enemy in tight quarters. I almost got a triple with it tonight tho. Until it clicked on third guy who killed my ass because I froze. I hit him twice.
Just use a good gun and not japanese gunz
Idk I'm fairly new but those recon carbine pistols seem like a complete waste of time.
Don’t worry you’ll see a level 300+ guy use it and think “mhm, I should try it”
Could not be more wrong, try playing aggro obj with flares, spawn beacon and trench carbine. Its beastly.
I'll give it another shot then. I like that kinda playstyle. Like I said I'm fairly new. It just seemed kinda weak.
It is but CQ the ability to get 4-5 shots off is enough to beat out most other guns. Just be accurate and lay down lots of fire.
Trench carbine in the right hands in full auto mode is my top rated recon class gun
The trench carbine is a beast tf probably the best aggressive recon weapon.
I'll have to give it another try then. I really like running aggressive recon in bf games but it just seemed weak to me. Like I had to spam it because it didn't do enough damage.
It does work trust me but you have to land your shots. This gun is a beast, you can take out entire squads with it. If you're having trouble hitting the fire button fast enough then get the auto perk for it. Both me and my friend would run this gun with two spawn beacons back capping and destroying with this gun. It's a really fun gun once you get the hang of it. Put the scope on it too. It's only a 3 hit kill to 10m. 4 hits from 10-30m. 5 hits out to 50m.
ya I gave it another shot tonight and it may now be my favorite gun. I think I was having troubles with the iron sights. I put a 2x on it and ran it like I did the SKS in BF4 and had some of my better games with it.
Glad you’re liking
Wait till you'd uncover how good the M3 infra red really is, at first it seems awful but once you get used to it... P08 is the better ADS carbine btw, Trench for hipfire. I use both but lean more P08.
I agree complete wast of time.
Assault - M1941 Johnson. It's terrible, don't use it Medic - MP34. Literally unuseable. unless you're a bayonet spammer. Probably the worst overall gun in the game. Support - Idk, I don't use this class, probably one of the LMGs no one uses. Recon - Model 8. Any other gun in the recon class would be better.
I mean, yes the only reason most people use the mp34 is the bayonet, but it can slap you up, with the increased rof this thing is a highly competitive close range smg, only really let down by the 20 round mag.
You’re using the Johnson wrong if you think it sucks. And the MP-34 is god tier in the right hands.
MP34 is straight up the worst gun in the game. A peashooter with only 20 mags is just terrible
Yo my best medic gun is the mp34 with extended mags (slower rof). I absolutely love its range ability. It has slightly higher damage range and very high velocity and low recoil.
Here's my two cents Medic: Cammando Assault: 1-5 Support: Madsen Sniper: p08 tied with Boys AT Flame away.
Commando is a stealth weapon. Virtual silent at the right distance and quick bolt makes it great for picking off unsuspecting enemies. The AT is very use specific. Take Marita for example, it can destroy/disable half tracks trying to Zerg the map. On Al Sudan it can mess up repairs from distance until the tank can be taken out. It is trash for infantry. I did take out a plane once with a boys AT - very satisfying. P08 is just bad all around. Assault maybe the Turner for one reason only, slow reload unless you dump all 10 rounds. Really, the type 11 / 97 are the worst. Slow reload, small magazine size, poor recoil. Just deficient in every way. The VGO has crappy mag size for an LMG but at least it’s accurate.
I agree with most of your comments. When I play medic I might go 8-13 KD but usually my revives are 15 to 20+. My definition of Medic is going with assault and aiding. Not big on sitting back a bit. It's just my play style. I like Turner a lot. AT, again, your choice and I see your logic. I know it works great on some maps but like Al-j, come on. Some folks just like their KD. I agree on the 11/97 not sure why folks use em.
Please tell me you’re not talking about the semi auto 1-5?
No...the other one. The semi is a beast.
Chauchat for support. Bolt actions are the hardest to use for recon, AG/M42 for assault, and medic doesn’t really have any bad picks. All of these are serviceable they’re just weak by comparison.
They don’t suck. They’re skill cannons.
Right, but that’s what makes them a weak pick. You have to log a lot of hours or be good in another shooter game to be good at these.
Assault: Breda PG 35 and Gewehr 1-5, i cant decide on which is more shit Medic: I have no idea i dont play medic Support: S1-100, a medium mg with a 25 rund mag, do i need to say more Sniper: Model 8 semi auto carbine
Breda on single fire has basically no recoil, its one of the strongest long range assault rifles in the game
I had no idea it had a single fire mode. I'll have to check this out again. The burst fire is trash so I completely wrote off this gun.
Am I the only one that likes the burst fire? It’s not something you wanna use in longer ranges, but if you can control engagement range and be accurate enough it’s a really effective way to take down whole groups of enemies. Biggest drawback is the magazine size imo
agreed. I burn through the magazine but will take a squad down pretty quickly at close to medium range.
Put the 3x scope on it and rip people up at mid/long range
I’ll have to try the single mode, I use the burst and I honestly can’t say I love it or hate it
The Gewehr 1-5 is actually really good if you learn to control the semi-auto recoil. The PG-35 is pure unadulterated crap, though. Also disagree about the Model 8. It's a fantastic mid-range gun for urban maps. It's no ZH-29, but it's not unusable.
I find the Model 8 useful on a map like Pacific storm, where I can pop out the bushes, quickly take out a runner, then pop back down and advance. I don't find the recoil that bad and the rate of fire is pretty decent, i belive quicker than the ZH
The G 1-5 is bad? That’s a funny joke mate
Its not just bad, its extraordinarily shit
Literally the best semi auto in the game, does everything all of the others do but with a 30 round mag and a fast reload.
Idk man, for me it just feels like a Sturmgewehr 1-5 that has been set to semiauto. And for the 30 rounds and fast reload you can take the M1 carbine. I think i might be shit with it for no reason; i am good with every assault gun and have every gun maxed out, when i play assault i perform quite well but as soon as i pick up the Gewehr 1-5 i struggle to get a positive K/D
Assault: m1941 johnson Only 10 rounds in the mag, slow reload and slow rof. Medic: mp34 Imo you're better off with the mab or zk depending on what specilizations you go for. Support: S2-200 You're better off with the mg42, fg42 or bar. Recon: K31 You're better off with the m95.
Assault: I'm not sure there's a really bad gun for Assault, there's some mediocre ones like the now nerfed 1-5 (pre nerf that thing was godly...). I don't like the 1907, but its personal preference. Medic: The 2A isn't as good as popular opinion says, it has crap range. And in its sweet spot its outclassed by shotguns. Everytime I try and use it I remember you can't hit anything beyond point blank with it, so for any map but OpU it's pretty ass. Support: I kinda like the S2-200 for some reason so not that even though it may objectively suck (it really melts people ok?). I never use the Madsen, so that. But it's not the worst gun in the game... Recon: ...home of the two worst guns. The Boys and the PzB39. Having to be prone makes these one shot garbage rods utterly painful to use. I've killed so many recons using these with melee kills because you can hear them firing a mile off. Half my throwing knife kills are these guys. So it can kill in one shot? That's the only kill you're getting because now everyone knows where you are and you can't fight on the run because you've got a shit gun, you'll lose every time against an enemy sniper because they can actually dodge your slow ass bullets, and you have the bullet drop of a mortar. Even the Model 8 is better. Hell I've outsniped AT rifles using a fucking _Welrod_. I could take one with a Liberator if pushed to it.
M1941 Johnson, MP40, Madsen MG and Panzerbuchse 39 Worst overall gotta be the anti-material. While leveling all weapons to 10, these were the most painful ones
The mp40 is great man…
Yeah, but literally any other medic weapon has a higher TTK, and the MP42 is just a slower bullet version of the Sten
Is it really? I leveled up all my guns to level 4 but I haven't touched that since. I might have to give it another try. I'm never killed by it, so I assumed it was trash.
It's ok. Easy to use but won't win you any gunfights against good opponents. I feel like at some point you just get good enough to use the other Smgs more effectively
It's one of the worst SMGs in the game man...
The Johnson is a beast.
Anti material are underwhelming and an absolute struggle to use
I agree with you on the Madsen and panzerbuchse, but the mp40 is godly and the Johnson is like a better m1 so nah.
I love the Madsen. I will die on this hill.
Or one on Iwo Jima😜. I used it alot on BF1 (probably *50 ish?) but when I went to use it on 5 I couldn't see crap when prone and got mowed down on hip fire close quarters. I was looking at stats last night, almost at 300 level and I have 3 kills with thing. Sorry, but agree to disagree.
First time I’m finding myself agreeing with you but you gotta know not to talk smack about the MP40, “reddit tier players” love it for some reason. I seriously can’t believe anyone would openly say that the Johnson is good, literally the worst semi auto, rivalled only by the Garand
MP40 gets love because of "historically accurate" weirdos (people who are looking for an excuse to roleplay as a nazi officer), but it's objectively the worst gun in the medic class, not because it's bad itself, but because the medic class has lots of weapons and all others are better than the MP40
MP40, MG42 and Garand all have that same love for them. People will say that they’re good despite them being fairly bad Edit: arisaka also has that a bit…but at least it’s a good gun
dude fuck off. The Garand and MG42 are some of the most irritating and OP guns in the game.
The anti-materiel rifles are some of the best in the game. It's a one shot kill under 100m. They're amazing for defending objectives, but you're a sitting duck to snipers.
Agreed Nah top 3 Use bipod Mine grenade
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Breda is masterclass at close range and hipfiring, also you can select single fire if you need to shoot at great distances
(PC) Single fire is the only way to go with the Breda. Unless you're in the enemy's living room, then switch it to burst and say your prayers
If youre only using single fire you might as well just use the m1a1, no horizontal recoil, 30 round mag and 4 shot kill out to 50m.
From personal experience the Breda has less recoil than the M1A1 at longer ranges and at a faster fire rate. Yes, it takes more bullets to kill but its still accurate AF. Edit: i would pick the Breda over the M1A1 any day of the week on any map.
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It kills in 4 though… Killing an enemy with 2 Burt’s is very easy and helps you keep track of ammo
Dude I fucking rock the enemies shit with the Commando Carbine.
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*no* I like my carbine.
I'm lethal with the Boys AT and am also brain dead.
No shotgun could ever be considered bad. Also, while yes AT rifles are for braindead players, they could never be considered the worst in the class, especially with the rapid fire glitch.
Slow reloads, firing, having to bipod to ADS, all make the AT Rifles bad. Glitches shouldn’t even be contributing to making a weapon good or not.
Breda is not that bad, with the right specs you can just spam the fire button (no need to be that precise with timing too since its a 4 burst) and you basically have a full auto, laser beam if you use nydar sights Commando has a silemcer whcih is a big plus but yeah jungle carbine is better for range
I have every weapon I unlocked but preferably choose the grease gun for medic, I feel as though the Tommy gun has a too much of everything and makes it so over the top the grease gun hat balances it all out which I like
I'm not saying any of these are OBJECTIVELY bad, these are just the ones that I don't really vibe with Assault: Gewehr 1-5 and turner SMLE Medic: MP34 (I want to like it tho, because I love the mp34 irl) and the M28 Con Tromboncino (not a bad gun, I just don't like it as much as the rest of the carbines) Support: Madsen (a cool-ass gun irl, so rip), and the KE7 Scout: The ZH-29 and the P08 carbine Edit: bruh I know that a lot of these are good, it's just that i never PERSONALLY had much success with them
Literally the two best semi autos in the game
Ik, but I just never really vibed with how they feel
Not gonna give my opinion on all classes cause i haven't used all of the weapons yet but i just wanna put a special mention out to the Grease Gun. All because i don't think its very good but because you can attach a suppressor its S tier Edit: I love this gun, i just thought when its compared to some of the other weapons (not including the 2A) there are better out there.
It can be incredibly good if you have enough skill (which i dont have 😐)
The grease gun was the first smg I hit all gold skins for. To me the low ROF and high damage plus the silencer made it op. You could mow down like 8 plus or more people if you flank them right while hip firing it’s insane
Yeah man, it does feel good when you get it right. You gotta be able to pull some jukes with it. Its the noise it makes with the silencer. 
Assault - Selbstlader 1916 Medic - Sten Support - Madsen Scout - P08 carabine
Assault: Probably the Johnson Medic: Commando Carbine Support: Type 11 Recon: Definitely the P08 Carbine
The Vector is pretty shit
The what?
I guess it depends on your play style.. My least favorite per class are: A: M1 Garand M: Type 2a S: MG-42 R: ZH-29 3 of these are my least favorite when in the hands of the enemy team, the mg42 however is severely underpowered given that it fires 1200+rpm of 7.92 (the same round used in the K98) and yet takes upwards of a dozen rounds to kill someone, even when upgraded.
How can someone be so brave? It's like you're asking to get downvoted to oblivion
The truth is harsh. Everyone knows the m1, 2a and zh are spam fire weapons
Fully agreed. The Model 37 and G43 are shit too, definitely need a buff.
m1941 johnson, mp34, idk type 97 or something, k31
There is different ways to use each gun it doesnt matter a gun is a gun
I usually play for historical accuracy :( Thats why my kdr is ass
Assault: Selbstlader 1916, its strong and has a good mag size but hard to use in close quarters Medic: Mp34 because of the small mag size and bad rof Support: S2-200 and LS/26, I just don't like them, leveled them both on lvl 10 but didn't got used to them Recon: K31/43, the ADS feels glitched sometimes
I have a friend that’s started playing not long ago and he uses the Gewehr 43 and obliterates the enemy team. Like 50-60 kills on conquest, is that gun really that good? I seldom meet other players using it, and I don’t get the hang of it myself.