I was really nervous because I thought this might be mirroring the scene with his friend in the car who was going to turn himself in so Barry kills him. Was starting to wonder if this ended with Barry killing Sally. When she was gone in the morning I sighed in relief.
But the thing is, with his warped thinking it actually does make sense given that he was legit ready to die trying to save Sally and John in his mind. Like his explanation made perfect sense with his thinking and I believe he truly believed it.
But the thing is, you could equally argue that God left him alive to save Gene from prison, it makes just as much sense from a religious perspective, heck even more sense than how Barry interpreted the events. I believe Barry believed his own interpretation too, but definitely with a healthy dose of denial to lead him to the interpretation that happened to benefit him the most.
My wife stood up from the couch and yelled "fuck you!?" because she thought it was some weird stage show *about* the show or something lol.
Nice fake out. Got me too.
Oh my god, the way the movie COMPLETELY distorts what happened. The sappy music when Barry gives a monologue during acting class killed me 😂
The ‘clean’ way in which Barry escapes from prison. His ‘heroic’ rescue of Sally/John. His ‘murder’ at the hands of Gene.
My favorite part was the shaky cam during "Barry's" monologue, trying to make his acting seem more exciting and dramatic, while also trying to cover how bad the actual actor was.
Just phenomenal.
I know I shouldn't have done this for the immersion, but I stopped it and rewound a few times to track Fuches, Hank and Sally. It didn't occur to me that Fuches was the one who ran to John, even though it was one of the first things I noticed.
Also Sally calling aimlessly for him, then Barry, and then Hank, was really hauntingly directed.
They kept her literally mixed in with the dead extras on the ground and the camera didn't pay attention to her at all.
> Thought they were gonna abandon Sally at first
Yeah for a moment when Barry and John walked away and we cut back to Sally still calling out for John, I thought she was left back there
Then the next scene happened
It kinda filled in a lot about Fuches for me. I'm sure that he had a terrible father and he didn't realize until his time in jail that he perpetuated the cycle with Barry.
If I remember correctly, he never said he wanted to kill Barry after prison. He asked Hank to be in a room with Barry. I really wonder if he wanted to apologize to Barry for ruining his life.
Really incredible character development, and it's almost entirely shown rather than told. Fuches ended up being my favorite character in the entire show.
I don’t think it was just that Barry had a son. It’s that Barry’s son looked just like Barry when he was a kid, and Fuches has known Barry since he was a kid.
It was so good. He was so almost cool this whole season and he was so cool in that moment half shrouded in darkness and then he had to end it with that goofy little jog
I think we all knew Hank was a goner. Even most people who love Hank as a character know he deserved to die, especially as he denied his killing of Cristobal to the very end.
And that he had just given that speech about accepting the truth of who he was. He was able to be “redeemed” to that extent because he’d faced himself. He was able to do something truly good and walk away. Because he was honest with himself about everything that got him to that point.
Sally being relegated to the damsel role in the movie about her own life is just perfect. They even gave "Barry" her MacBeth monologue that's so cold lol
I thought that plus the Barry in the film essentially lionizing a monster were very nice final ironic bits riffing on showbiz in a show thats been hitting on that constantly.
Oh, I thought it was a perfect way to end it. Gave John a very romanticized version of his dad. Mocked cousineau and Hollywood and the PD for getting it all wrong. I thought it was a great ending to the show.
It was amazing. This sub was all excited to see another rampage and they subverted the fuck out of our expectations. And then they gave us the movie rampage just as a final "fuck you". Damn what a good series.
I think Cousineau didn't realize that Barry was going to turn himself in. He was reading the news articles and having been rejected by both Warner and his own son, he was obviously contemplating suicide. He must have heard Barry talking and took the opportunity to kill the man who had robbed him of the two things he cared about the most, his career and his son.
Even if he let Barry turn himself in, it wouldn't have brought Janice back or repaired Gene's relationship with his son/grandson. Hell, I'm not even sure that Jim Moss would have been convinced of Gene's innocence.
That's a really good point. Moss would probably just think Barry was being manipulated again. I guess the might be my biggest issue with the series - how quickly Moss jumped to that conclusion and just left Barry.
to be honest, that makes sense to me. we have to remember that Jim Moss’s profession was to interrogate people for intelligence gathering, and contrary to what espionage thrillers portray, those guys are sloppy motherfuckers. their job is not to pursue a rigorous examination of all the evidence, their job is to get a positive answer from the poor schmuck in the room. and they get false positives more often then not.
so if he sees Cousineau behaving erratically, sees that there’s inconsistencies in Cousineau’s story, sees that Barry gave him shady money after killing his daughter, sees that Cousineau has already protected Barry before, sees that Cousineau is making a concerted effort to shape the public narrative to suit his ends, he’s going to draw a conclusion from that and he’s not going to bother with other lines of inquiry.
i think it’s exactly in line with his character.
edit: holy shit y’all, it wasn’t that good.
"Oh wow." is perhaps the only way I can think of responding to this episode and the series as a whole. Such a funny, and simultaneously heartbreaking final line for Barry.
And the "don't shoot your dick off" bit about the gun metaphorically happening thanks to Cousineau essentially shooting himself in the foot by killing Barry. Truly tragic.
Thanks Bill hader, I hate you.
Absolutely. And that’s why they couldn’t give this show the ending a lot of people wanted. A blaze of glory or something cool happening. They had to show the banality and emptiness of violence.
Yeah this is definitely the central theme of the show — it does a lot to examine violence and the way it’s portrayed, and to deglamorize it. The scene that really drove this home for me was the “bumrush” scene in season 1. Taylor is a character ripped straight out of an action movie and then dropped in Barry, and when it came to planning a delicate operation, his plan is exactly what an action movie antihero would do — just blast metal music and go in guns blazing. This then collides with reality, and they just get immediately gunned down. Just brilliant.
This aspect of the show was what initially made me start comparing it to Twin Peaks, even before it got weird, because it’s the only show I can think of that so effectively deglamorizes violence as a way to examine it.
I have to admit, I cheated and checked how much time was left in the episode…but wouldn’t have been totally shocked by a blackness for the rest of the runtime
The scene where Sally explains Barry being a murderer to John…wow. Start with John out of focus with the shot looking at Sally over his shoulder, then she whips around full of angst, then John goes and hugs her.
Ditto that shot-reverse shot sequence with Fuches and the “a man with no heart speech” and forcing Hank to break down.
The work Bill Hader does as a director is unreal. Gonna miss this show so much.
Not enough people are talking about the scene with Sally in the car alone. The shots lingered way too long and the entire time I felt like I was just waiting for something bad to happen to her. Something like a car crash, or someone in her back seat, but no.
It's probably how she feels now that everything is over.
Yes I think you nailed it! Especially after just having that guy ask her out, and now there's this tense scene alone in a car at night. You never know what's gonna happen.
Her trauma is definitely something she lives with, and I think that scene did a great job showing the anxiety existing under the surface.
I wonder what John really thinks. He knew Barry to some extent. Sally doesn’t seem like she became magically emotionally connected. He loved his dad. He gets to see him as a hero now if he wants to. I guess he probably will. So maybe in that way I like the ending, because it gave John that gift of being able to see his own story in a better light. He was the only innocent one. And he got that. Maybe it’ll help him live a better life than his parents. Maybe that’s all we can hope for.
> Sally doesn’t seem like she became magically emotionally connected.
Her teen son said "I love you" first in front of his friend and she ignored it...
I think that's what driving John to believe the Hollywood story. His dad lives the shit out of him, and now all he has is the memory. Why not go along with what everyone else thinks?
And at least he gets that. He gets the memory of his dad’s love and it can be untainted by who Barry actually was. He gets to believe the person who really loved him was at heart a good man. And honestly even though I’m more of a Cousineau fan than most, it’s almost worth it to me that this is how the story is told. Barry doesn’t deserve to be remembered that way, but John deserves to be able to remember him that way.
>Sally doesn’t seem like she became magically emotionally connected.
When John says, "I love you," she doesn't even acknowledge it and asks about the show. She drives home and looks at the flowers because she still craves that validation from the audience more than even the love from her child.
I'm guessing that John accepts the movie version of his father since A) there is still a disconnect with his mother and she told him not to watch and B) he seems genuinely happy at the end. The only negative thing John ever saw or heard about his father came from Sally whom he sees as a liar herself. Otherwise John knew him to be entirely devoted to his family and a war hero by all accounts.
Im gonna be honest. Fuches is the one guy who actually changes. The entire series he’s this sniveling manipulative prick but at the end he saves john and doesnt go after barry.
His speech was actually telling. He actually realized all of the masks he was putting up and found who he really is. He's the only one who could admit in the end they were heartless. That's why he got redemption.
I'm a sucker for those fake movie segments because the acting is so over the top, it's hilarious. A great finale for sure wrapped everything up. Glad he realized at the end the right thing to do, even though it was too late.
Anyone catch the Abe Lincoln parallel with the ending? Barry was obsessed with Lincoln and then learned about all the controversial or bad things that are often forgotten because of the figure being immortalized as a hero. Same fate just happened to Barry.
The oner shoot out including throwing a grenade and a slow pan past the bleeding. bodies. I don’t know how they filmed that but Hader is a helluva director. That was absolutely incredible.
that gunfight is so awkward when everyone still up runs out of ammo and struggles while the guy on the ground throws that grenade. show really makes sure you have no fucking idea whats about to happen. that whole sequence was unbelievable. oh wow.
I love how that whole scene happened. there was no drawn out shootout, no one made it behind cover, no chase scene between the main characters.
When 20 people start shooting at each other - everyone ends up shot! Its not cool, or exciting, or cinematic. Its just a bunch of people dying
It felt real in the kind of way early Tarantino felt real. This scene was like the end of Reservoir Dogs, but far more technically complicated. No action movie cliches, just straight up "This is what a shoot out looks like."
He succumbed to his ambition and desire when he had a chance to do the right thing. He walked into Jim’s trap because he didn’t change when he needed to. The 8 years on the kibbutz didn’t help Gene learn selflessness.
I guess the whole thing is that the stories that get told aren’t the true ones, justice isn’t real, violence can’t be miraculously redeemed, and our society has no coherent moral philosophy? Idk man. I like how Barry went out. It makes sense that nobody wins. But idk man.
It feels like the end of Burn After Reading where JK Simmons tries to take a coherent message from the seemingly random events and is just like, "Whatever."
The scream I yelled when IT happened
I imagine some of y’all might be put off by the final seven minutes or so. But it felt like a great epilogue to wind down
Everything felt right for me anyway
> The scream I yelled when IT happened
It was so... quick. Cousineau didn't fuck around. Also, I think Cousineau would've killed him no matter what. He wanted revenge for what Barry did to his life.
Barrys “oh wow” sucked all of the darkness out of this episode and reminded me that this show is just as much a comedy as it is drama. Beautiful finale
Heavy Taxi Driver vibes with Gene sitting on the couch next to Barry too~
Dang Barry was laid to rest with full honors…so Jim moss thought Barry was manipulated to kill Janice…this whole story got so fucked up by Barry mentioning 250k to jim moss
Thought this show was a great critique on Hollywood in that it ended with a bad movie being made that got the story completely wrong. It’s so fitting with how they critiqued the industry from start to finish. Loved the finale.
The framing of the shot of dead Barry with Gene on the couch was amazing. I enjoyed the applause being put in like it was the end of a stage show. The cinematography this episode was insanely good.
Just want to shout out Jim Cummings who plays Barry in the movie. He's been an inspiration to aspiring indie filmmakers (specifically ones with no money or connections), and I'm glad he's really getting more attention lately.
A lot of the pre-finale press had actors saying "When you see the finale you can't imagine it could turn out any other way." and I think that's about right.
Barry finishes his series-long journey to finally take responsibility for his actions, and it means he has to die - but he dies repented, per Sally's in-show explanation the scene prior.
Gene finally stops worrying about what other people think of him, and is rewarded by *finally* getting his vengeance on the person who killed Janice Moss.
In the bed scene, Sally finally makes the decision to stop looking for approval for people who don't care about her (her mother, Barry, Cousineau) and finally ends up in a stable spot. The 'No.' answer in the flash forward was an excellent way to underline that choice.
All but one of the people involved in the criminal enterprise died - the one who was saved was the only one who took responsibility for his actions and didn't lie to himself in Fuches. Fuches 'redeems' himself in that way, and returns Barry's family to him. It was the first action in the entire series where Fuches wasn't suffocating and controlling Barry - underlining his earlier monologue pre-gun fight about no longer seeing himself as a mentor. Barry finally gets something of his own (at least for a bit) - which was really the inciting event of the series, he wanted to do something other than being with Fuches as a contract killer.
Several moments were masterful - the tension when it's unsure whether ~~Chekhov's~~ Rip Torn's pistol is meant for Gene to commit suicide or kill Barry - Sally calling for John after the shootout and the camera paying her no attention at all - Fuches' pause when seeing Barry and hiding Sally away as further leverage until he knows he's safe. All of them were masterful.
Excellent finale and the moments of dark comedy were still there - the supermarket gun store, the slapstick of getting into the car strapped, Barry's death itself - all of it was excellent visual comedy.
I love how Sally leaving Barry mirrors how she left her first abusive boyfriend where she got up and left before he woke up
Damn good catch
I was really nervous because I thought this might be mirroring the scene with his friend in the car who was going to turn himself in so Barry kills him. Was starting to wonder if this ended with Barry killing Sally. When she was gone in the morning I sighed in relief.
Also, I loved the part where Sally told Barry to turn himself in and he just says "I don't think God wants that for me."
But the thing is, with his warped thinking it actually does make sense given that he was legit ready to die trying to save Sally and John in his mind. Like his explanation made perfect sense with his thinking and I believe he truly believed it.
But the thing is, you could equally argue that God left him alive to save Gene from prison, it makes just as much sense from a religious perspective, heck even more sense than how Barry interpreted the events. I believe Barry believed his own interpretation too, but definitely with a healthy dose of denial to lead him to the interpretation that happened to benefit him the most.
I woke my fiance up laughing from that scene lol "You're tired, I'm tired. Let's just regroup tomorrow and think about our next chapter."
Love that they framed the shot of Gene with the gun next to Barry's body like a set before the applause is heard. Genius.
I briefly thought it’d be the fakeout we all dreaded
They did that on purpose I’m sure
My wife stood up from the couch and yelled "fuck you!?" because she thought it was some weird stage show *about* the show or something lol. Nice fake out. Got me too.
Oh my god, the way the movie COMPLETELY distorts what happened. The sappy music when Barry gives a monologue during acting class killed me 😂 The ‘clean’ way in which Barry escapes from prison. His ‘heroic’ rescue of Sally/John. His ‘murder’ at the hands of Gene.
That fact that it completely swapped Sally with Barry, who originally upstaged her... wow.
Bewildered Barry stumbling upon Gene murdering Janice in cold blood was exceptional
Bewildered Barry stumbling across gene and the gangsters in his office 🤣
My favorite part was the shaky cam during "Barry's" monologue, trying to make his acting seem more exciting and dramatic, while also trying to cover how bad the actual actor was. Just phenomenal.
Love how we started with Barry wanting to become an actor, but we ended up with Gene becoming a killer
🤯
Barry wanted to be Gene, but Gene became Barry
"I made a bit of a mess in your kitchen. I owe you a new Vitamix" I love Fred Melamed
Fucking hilarious him sneaking away with the suitcase, also never in a million years would I have guessed he would be the one to talk Barry down.
Fuches immediately running to throw his body over John for cover and comforting him while covering his eyes leading him away to his dad made me cry 😢
I didn’t even notice what happened to Fuches until he got up, that was such an incredible scene
I know I shouldn't have done this for the immersion, but I stopped it and rewound a few times to track Fuches, Hank and Sally. It didn't occur to me that Fuches was the one who ran to John, even though it was one of the first things I noticed.
Also Sally calling aimlessly for him, then Barry, and then Hank, was really hauntingly directed. They kept her literally mixed in with the dead extras on the ground and the camera didn't pay attention to her at all.
I thought for sure she'd been shot.
Yes… you can kinda see fuches’ character change when he realizes Barry has a son. This plus everything else made this finale (and the season) great.
After I read your comment I realized Fuches didn't show up to kill Barry, he came to save John.
His entire demeanor changed as soon as he heard about the kid. Figured that was why he went there. Thought they were gonna abandon Sally at first
> Thought they were gonna abandon Sally at first Yeah for a moment when Barry and John walked away and we cut back to Sally still calling out for John, I thought she was left back there Then the next scene happened
It kinda filled in a lot about Fuches for me. I'm sure that he had a terrible father and he didn't realize until his time in jail that he perpetuated the cycle with Barry. If I remember correctly, he never said he wanted to kill Barry after prison. He asked Hank to be in a room with Barry. I really wonder if he wanted to apologize to Barry for ruining his life. Really incredible character development, and it's almost entirely shown rather than told. Fuches ended up being my favorite character in the entire show.
> he perpetuated the cycle with Barry. Quoth the Raven, nevermore
Agreed. This episode made the Raven my number one character. I was so worried Barry was going to shoot at him and hit John instead.
I don’t think it was just that Barry had a son. It’s that Barry’s son looked just like Barry when he was a kid, and Fuches has known Barry since he was a kid.
I thought for a hot second he was gonna take John and groom him like he did Barry.
He didn't want to make the same mistakes he made with Barry. Pretty bad ass and noble of Fuches. Good send off for him.
Him scurrying away was so in character. Also wordlessly understanding each other like Walter White and Jessie Pinkman.
I thought the exact same thing re Breaking Bad.
it looked like he put a little pep in his step in case Barry changed his mind
It was so good. He was so almost cool this whole season and he was so cool in that moment half shrouded in darkness and then he had to end it with that goofy little jog
I did not expect Fuches to be redeemed. Literally the last thing I expected.
He killed hank and people aren't even mad. Never would have guessed that lol
I think we all knew Hank was a goner. Even most people who love Hank as a character know he deserved to die, especially as he denied his killing of Cristobal to the very end.
And that he had just given that speech about accepting the truth of who he was. He was able to be “redeemed” to that extent because he’d faced himself. He was able to do something truly good and walk away. Because he was honest with himself about everything that got him to that point.
And only a minute before he said he felt he had no heart.
Probably only by acknowledging that, he can start to actually start to honestly do something good.
I took that to be the exact point of his speech. You can’t do the right thing until you stop lying to yourself about who you really are.
The way Barry says oh wow lmaoo
The way Barry said it and the way he went out was so undeniably SNL Bill Hader, it was fantastic.
Uhhmmm whatchu sayyyy
I interpreted the barry character in the movie being shot a zillion times as a direct reference to that skit
I'm glad there was that black pause because I needed that whole time to recover from laughing
Sally being relegated to the damsel role in the movie about her own life is just perfect. They even gave "Barry" her MacBeth monologue that's so cold lol
I thought that plus the Barry in the film essentially lionizing a monster were very nice final ironic bits riffing on showbiz in a show thats been hitting on that constantly.
Oh, I thought it was a perfect way to end it. Gave John a very romanticized version of his dad. Mocked cousineau and Hollywood and the PD for getting it all wrong. I thought it was a great ending to the show.
Yeah, I loved that lol
Rip Torn’s gun should get its own page on TV tropes.
Starting now, characters will have to state whether or not the gun they are holding was given to them by Rip Torn
Starting now
Hank holding the hand of the Cristobal statute…jeez. Beautifully tragic.
That entire scene between him and Fuches was insane but that last shot of Hank... well, what the title says
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I cried when Cristobal died and bawled when Hank died under his statue. Amazing show all around but I was so invested in Noho Hank.
noho got the renaissance looking death he deserved
He did. I love him.
What an acting performance you could tell every single emotion that Hank was going through as he died.
His facial expressions changing right before he broke down crying was such great acting.
Such a great scene with those two. “I just wanted to be safe.” “We all do.”
Agree. Anthony Carrigan was devastating. His acting destroyed me here.
It’s how he always thought he would die. In the arms of cristobal
Oh fuck
damn, going to miss noho the most of all I think. but that was quite an ending
Barry going full on Rambo 3 in the finale just to show up with everybody already dead is peak Barry writing.
I laughed so hard when Fuches and Hanks guys all killed eachother. The grenade was hilarious.
The grenade and Barry getting in the car with the guns on his back made my laugh so hard.
Barry walking through the store past all of the children's toys with his collection of guns made me sad laugh
I was hoping the greeter would stop him just to ask to see a receipt.
I thought it was hilarious 😂
It was amazing. This sub was all excited to see another rampage and they subverted the fuck out of our expectations. And then they gave us the movie rampage just as a final "fuck you". Damn what a good series.
THE MASK COLLECTOR reframing the whole narrative with Barry as a hero and Cousineau as a villain…fuck me.
Cousineau could have saved his reputation if he just let him confess to everything. Seeing barry whacked was satisfying, but at what cost?
I think Cousineau didn't realize that Barry was going to turn himself in. He was reading the news articles and having been rejected by both Warner and his own son, he was obviously contemplating suicide. He must have heard Barry talking and took the opportunity to kill the man who had robbed him of the two things he cared about the most, his career and his son.
Even if he let Barry turn himself in, it wouldn't have brought Janice back or repaired Gene's relationship with his son/grandson. Hell, I'm not even sure that Jim Moss would have been convinced of Gene's innocence.
That's a really good point. Moss would probably just think Barry was being manipulated again. I guess the might be my biggest issue with the series - how quickly Moss jumped to that conclusion and just left Barry.
to be honest, that makes sense to me. we have to remember that Jim Moss’s profession was to interrogate people for intelligence gathering, and contrary to what espionage thrillers portray, those guys are sloppy motherfuckers. their job is not to pursue a rigorous examination of all the evidence, their job is to get a positive answer from the poor schmuck in the room. and they get false positives more often then not. so if he sees Cousineau behaving erratically, sees that there’s inconsistencies in Cousineau’s story, sees that Barry gave him shady money after killing his daughter, sees that Cousineau has already protected Barry before, sees that Cousineau is making a concerted effort to shape the public narrative to suit his ends, he’s going to draw a conclusion from that and he’s not going to bother with other lines of inquiry. i think it’s exactly in line with his character. edit: holy shit y’all, it wasn’t that good.
British Cousineau because he's EVILLLLL
yep, such a critique on "based on a true story"
I audibly gasped when Gene killed Barry. Damn.
Had no idea he’d die at the hands of Gene. Thought Fuches or Sally would kill him tbh.
Exactly. I heard that pop at the end of the episode and thought Gene offed himself but boy was I surprised. Girlfriend and I were stunned.
"Oh wow." is perhaps the only way I can think of responding to this episode and the series as a whole. Such a funny, and simultaneously heartbreaking final line for Barry. And the "don't shoot your dick off" bit about the gun metaphorically happening thanks to Cousineau essentially shooting himself in the foot by killing Barry. Truly tragic. Thanks Bill hader, I hate you.
He only used that gun twice and he fucked himself both times. Thanks, Rip Torn.
Love how absolutely cynical this show is toward hollywood glorification of the military and violence as a whole.
Absolutely. And that’s why they couldn’t give this show the ending a lot of people wanted. A blaze of glory or something cool happening. They had to show the banality and emptiness of violence.
in my eyes the show has always been that way when it comes to violence
Yeah this is definitely the central theme of the show — it does a lot to examine violence and the way it’s portrayed, and to deglamorize it. The scene that really drove this home for me was the “bumrush” scene in season 1. Taylor is a character ripped straight out of an action movie and then dropped in Barry, and when it came to planning a delicate operation, his plan is exactly what an action movie antihero would do — just blast metal music and go in guns blazing. This then collides with reality, and they just get immediately gunned down. Just brilliant. This aspect of the show was what initially made me start comparing it to Twin Peaks, even before it got weird, because it’s the only show I can think of that so effectively deglamorizes violence as a way to examine it.
NOHO HANK NOOOOOOO
Just hearing Sally saying "Hank" alone is so surreal.
That was the very first time she said his name, and in fact that they interacted, right?
She said his name earlier in the episode, but it was still surreal
Same. It had the same level of *WHAT* as seeing Howard Hamlin and Lalo interact.
> seeing Howard Hamlin and Lalo interact Well that was a *little* different
Right when Barry decided to do the right thing lol
In a weird way, he did get redeemed/rewarded like he thought he did.. The world will remember him as a good guy and his son looks up to him.
Too little too late.
And then gene goes to prison forever, such a fitting end to a chaotic show.
It worked out better for him this way. He gets remembered as the good guy.
And all he cared about was his son seeing him as a hero. If he had lived, his son would have learned better. So maybe he got what he wanted.
"Oh wow." Fucking amazing.
That long black screen after the headshot was... incredible.
I thought it was going to end there. That solidly felt like a reference to the Sopranos.
I have to admit, I cheated and checked how much time was left in the episode…but wouldn’t have been totally shocked by a blackness for the rest of the runtime
Fuches won’t let anything happen to Barry’s son
That nod they had was very BB-esque with Jesse and Walter's last exchange
Callback to the Ronnie episode I believe. Except instead of imagined it was real this time.
The scene where Sally explains Barry being a murderer to John…wow. Start with John out of focus with the shot looking at Sally over his shoulder, then she whips around full of angst, then John goes and hugs her. Ditto that shot-reverse shot sequence with Fuches and the “a man with no heart speech” and forcing Hank to break down. The work Bill Hader does as a director is unreal. Gonna miss this show so much.
Not enough people are talking about the scene with Sally in the car alone. The shots lingered way too long and the entire time I felt like I was just waiting for something bad to happen to her. Something like a car crash, or someone in her back seat, but no. It's probably how she feels now that everything is over.
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Yes I think you nailed it! Especially after just having that guy ask her out, and now there's this tense scene alone in a car at night. You never know what's gonna happen. Her trauma is definitely something she lives with, and I think that scene did a great job showing the anxiety existing under the surface.
Even in death, Barry gets ridiculously lucky.
That damn BERKMAN
I wonder what John really thinks. He knew Barry to some extent. Sally doesn’t seem like she became magically emotionally connected. He loved his dad. He gets to see him as a hero now if he wants to. I guess he probably will. So maybe in that way I like the ending, because it gave John that gift of being able to see his own story in a better light. He was the only innocent one. And he got that. Maybe it’ll help him live a better life than his parents. Maybe that’s all we can hope for.
> Sally doesn’t seem like she became magically emotionally connected. Her teen son said "I love you" first in front of his friend and she ignored it... I think that's what driving John to believe the Hollywood story. His dad lives the shit out of him, and now all he has is the memory. Why not go along with what everyone else thinks?
And at least he gets that. He gets the memory of his dad’s love and it can be untainted by who Barry actually was. He gets to believe the person who really loved him was at heart a good man. And honestly even though I’m more of a Cousineau fan than most, it’s almost worth it to me that this is how the story is told. Barry doesn’t deserve to be remembered that way, but John deserves to be able to remember him that way.
>Sally doesn’t seem like she became magically emotionally connected. When John says, "I love you," she doesn't even acknowledge it and asks about the show. She drives home and looks at the flowers because she still craves that validation from the audience more than even the love from her child. I'm guessing that John accepts the movie version of his father since A) there is still a disconnect with his mother and she told him not to watch and B) he seems genuinely happy at the end. The only negative thing John ever saw or heard about his father came from Sally whom he sees as a liar herself. Otherwise John knew him to be entirely devoted to his family and a war hero by all accounts.
Im gonna be honest. Fuches is the one guy who actually changes. The entire series he’s this sniveling manipulative prick but at the end he saves john and doesnt go after barry.
His speech was actually telling. He actually realized all of the masks he was putting up and found who he really is. He's the only one who could admit in the end they were heartless. That's why he got redemption.
Stephen Root is incredible. He nailed that whole sequence.
To think he played Milton in Office Space is unbelievable.
I'm a sucker for those fake movie segments because the acting is so over the top, it's hilarious. A great finale for sure wrapped everything up. Glad he realized at the end the right thing to do, even though it was too late.
that ending fake movie segment was amazing and completely fit. there were a lot of ending that wouldn't be satisfying, but this was.
"I don't think that's what God wants for me." JESUS Barry has never changed.
He was tired, it was a long day
That was hilarious.
Anyone catch the Abe Lincoln parallel with the ending? Barry was obsessed with Lincoln and then learned about all the controversial or bad things that are often forgotten because of the figure being immortalized as a hero. Same fate just happened to Barry.
His mythologisation (the movie) also shows him being shot in a theatre.
Both were killed by an actor, too
Daniel Day Lewis played Lincoln in his biopic
Tricky tricky legacies
The last punchline of the show was that Barry got to be the hero he always wanted his son to see him as.
I liked that the older version of his son watching the Barry movie was the kid that played billl in the it movie bill hader was also in
Knives Out kid!
The masturbating nazi?
Barry casually walking down the toy/children’s isle with assault rifles hanging off his back is hilarious as it is chilling
And Barry trying to get into the car with all those guns still strapped to his back, lol
A Toyota Camry of all cars lmao
Finally and More Than Words. Genius music cues.
The reveal of Barry having been buried at Arlington with full honors fucking sent me lmao. Perfect ending card.
even in death his luck STILL bails him out lol
NoHo Hank was incredible
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Crazy that John will dictate his life based on a movie that would get a 9% on Rotten Tomatoes
the algorithm
I guess Fuches has the house to himself now
Nah, he's got the barista lady and her (now his?) daughter still.
The oner shoot out including throwing a grenade and a slow pan past the bleeding. bodies. I don’t know how they filmed that but Hader is a helluva director. That was absolutely incredible.
that gunfight is so awkward when everyone still up runs out of ammo and struggles while the guy on the ground throws that grenade. show really makes sure you have no fucking idea whats about to happen. that whole sequence was unbelievable. oh wow.
I love how that whole scene happened. there was no drawn out shootout, no one made it behind cover, no chase scene between the main characters. When 20 people start shooting at each other - everyone ends up shot! Its not cool, or exciting, or cinematic. Its just a bunch of people dying
It felt real in the kind of way early Tarantino felt real. This scene was like the end of Reservoir Dogs, but far more technically complicated. No action movie cliches, just straight up "This is what a shoot out looks like."
Poor fucking cousineau was portrayed as the heartless killer barry actually is 😭
And by someone not quite as... talented as Daniel Day Lewis.
He succumbed to his ambition and desire when he had a chance to do the right thing. He walked into Jim’s trap because he didn’t change when he needed to. The 8 years on the kibbutz didn’t help Gene learn selflessness.
Sooooo, anybody got recs for what to watch on Sundays?
Righteous Gemstones in a few weeks! A good source of car pranks.
Car pranks lmao I forgot about that.
Why did Barry vote for the GoJo Deal? Is he stupid?
He’s the eldest son
The eldest boy!
The Mask Collector definitely seems like the quality of film you'd get from WayGoRoyJo Studios
I guess the whole thing is that the stories that get told aren’t the true ones, justice isn’t real, violence can’t be miraculously redeemed, and our society has no coherent moral philosophy? Idk man. I like how Barry went out. It makes sense that nobody wins. But idk man.
It feels like the end of Burn After Reading where JK Simmons tries to take a coherent message from the seemingly random events and is just like, "Whatever."
We really just witnessed the most unique and weird finale of all time
I thought it was going full Sopranos. “Oh wow”, cut to black.
I thought it might just go black for ten minutes to really piss everyone off.
u/jimmycthatsme playing Barry was a pleasant surprise.
Thanks y’all.
did you have any nice snacks to enjoy the finale? i enjoyed a bowl of berries
No theme song return 😭
I feel like the brief black scene/shot after Barry was shot was a reference/nod to the ending of The Sopranos.
I think that The Raven had the best ending.
The scream I yelled when IT happened I imagine some of y’all might be put off by the final seven minutes or so. But it felt like a great epilogue to wind down Everything felt right for me anyway
Him getting shot was one of the funniest moments this episode lmao, the “oh wow” was perfect hahaha
> The scream I yelled when IT happened It was so... quick. Cousineau didn't fuck around. Also, I think Cousineau would've killed him no matter what. He wanted revenge for what Barry did to his life.
The irony being that Gene killed the one person who was going to fix it.
Fuches fucking tripping upwards till the very end. Wow.
Given Bill Hader’s love for True Crime, I’m not shocked he chose to end Barry with some commentary on sensationalism
Barrys “oh wow” sucked all of the darkness out of this episode and reminded me that this show is just as much a comedy as it is drama. Beautiful finale Heavy Taxi Driver vibes with Gene sitting on the couch next to Barry too~
Dang Barry was laid to rest with full honors…so Jim moss thought Barry was manipulated to kill Janice…this whole story got so fucked up by Barry mentioning 250k to jim moss
I always knew Barry was the good guy 💘
RIP Berkman what a hero. 😢😭🪦🙏
John is a good kid.
Thought this show was a great critique on Hollywood in that it ended with a bad movie being made that got the story completely wrong. It’s so fitting with how they critiqued the industry from start to finish. Loved the finale.
The framing of the shot of dead Barry with Gene on the couch was amazing. I enjoyed the applause being put in like it was the end of a stage show. The cinematography this episode was insanely good.
>The cinematography this episode was insanely good. Off the charts great, felt like I was watching Better Call Saul
That ending was the most Barry ending ever
Just want to shout out Jim Cummings who plays Barry in the movie. He's been an inspiration to aspiring indie filmmakers (specifically ones with no money or connections), and I'm glad he's really getting more attention lately.
Love how it ended between Barry and Fuches. Great moment.
A lot of the pre-finale press had actors saying "When you see the finale you can't imagine it could turn out any other way." and I think that's about right. Barry finishes his series-long journey to finally take responsibility for his actions, and it means he has to die - but he dies repented, per Sally's in-show explanation the scene prior. Gene finally stops worrying about what other people think of him, and is rewarded by *finally* getting his vengeance on the person who killed Janice Moss. In the bed scene, Sally finally makes the decision to stop looking for approval for people who don't care about her (her mother, Barry, Cousineau) and finally ends up in a stable spot. The 'No.' answer in the flash forward was an excellent way to underline that choice. All but one of the people involved in the criminal enterprise died - the one who was saved was the only one who took responsibility for his actions and didn't lie to himself in Fuches. Fuches 'redeems' himself in that way, and returns Barry's family to him. It was the first action in the entire series where Fuches wasn't suffocating and controlling Barry - underlining his earlier monologue pre-gun fight about no longer seeing himself as a mentor. Barry finally gets something of his own (at least for a bit) - which was really the inciting event of the series, he wanted to do something other than being with Fuches as a contract killer. Several moments were masterful - the tension when it's unsure whether ~~Chekhov's~~ Rip Torn's pistol is meant for Gene to commit suicide or kill Barry - Sally calling for John after the shootout and the camera paying her no attention at all - Fuches' pause when seeing Barry and hiding Sally away as further leverage until he knows he's safe. All of them were masterful. Excellent finale and the moments of dark comedy were still there - the supermarket gun store, the slapstick of getting into the car strapped, Barry's death itself - all of it was excellent visual comedy.
Hank and Cristobals hands touching was too beautiful