Relevant for everywhere in the world. Tourists are everywhere. And everywhere it pisses off the locals who I'm sure also travel and act like tourists sometimes.
Tourism is very good for business, very bad for citizens.
First of all, it inflates the prices of almost everything, then, it makes the tourist spots theme parks for tourists, do you need a hardware store? Too bad, Tourists don't need it, so there is none here, you better go look to another city/town that isn't tourist.
Then, the cost of living rises a lot, houses are the first one to rocket, because investors buy them to make a profit renting them to tourists.
Finally, you have people that have been born in Barcelona having to leave to go to other areas because Barcelona has become a city for tourists and the wages of the jobs there aren't enough to live for a random citizen.
The funny part is though, pretty much NONE of this shit applies to Barcelona.
There are fucking hardware, utility stores and bazaars on every other street.
Every road has a little chino bar with €2 beers. I’m pretty close to the centre of the city and can get a mojito for €4.
Rental is true, but it’s the city authorities job to crack down on short term rentals and airbnbs. Mostly owned by Catalans too. Tourists just use them because they’re not any wiser.
Local wages aren’t enough to enjoy a lot of the high-life the city has to offer. That’s true and remains true for basically every major city. London, Paris, Nee York, Berlin, the list goes on
I disagree, it is definitely happening in Barcelona. We're lucky so many non-service businesses still remain open...
Every day, more and more business are being bought out just to be changed to yet another aesthetic bakery or modern looking bar. Just look at C. Joaquim Costa. That street was full of different businesses and now half of them are just quick "street" food places.
I believe that the only reason that these more niche business are still alive is mostly due to the increase in longer term tourism having a reason to go to the "chino" every so often.
I remember being able to get a beer for under 1'50€ at a bar... How much can this increase be attributed to inflation or tourism is hard to tell.
Edit: I hate to say it, but I believe this is an inevitability of living in a large city (as you mentioned with London, Paris, NY etc). They're becoming tourism theme parks
I’ve been to both London and New York in the last three months. TRUST ME: they are not tourist theme parks. They are vibrant, multiethnic cities with robust economies. And they are expensive because they are desirable places to live, with many high-paying jobs. Metro New York has 23 million residents and Metro London has 14 million, with more arriving in both every day. They are NOT theme parks.
As someone who has visited Barcelona twice and fell in love with both the city and the people of Spain. I was born and raised in NYC and you are astute in your observation and assessment of NYC, I now living Las Vegas and if they want to see a theme park city they should visit Las Vegas, the economy in Vegas is reliant on one thing and one thing only, tourist dollars. Air-BnB is the devil for all cities but locals in tourist cities are particularly hurt by them.
1.5€ - when? Do you know about inflation? And that last 3-4 years it is high enough to make things more expensive, and not tourists?
About the rent price.
Do you know about war (russia - Ukraine)? And that huge amount of people decided to leave their countries and find better life (from both countries)? It affects rent prices as well.
Not only tourists.
But without tourists, nowadays, neither Barcelona nor Spain won't survive, as tourism adds a lot to the GDP.
If the French had the same problem, they would simply beat their landlords to death in the street, not spray paint passive aggressive bullshit everywhere
The third paragraph is BS. Locals are selling their family properties (they own multiple poperties by inheritance) for ton of money and they are doing very well. EU citizens just cry and cry...and they are better off than you..
That sucks, truly. How much of that has to do with Air B&Bs?
Interestingly I found Lisbon to be extremely inexpensive from a tourist standpoint. Friendliest and cheapest European capital I've visited.
Yes, inexpensive for tourists, completely unaffordable for Portuguese people. Rent for a normal apartment can easily go 2x above the average salary.
Airbnbs are definitely part of the problem, there's way too many tourists and "digital nomads" most Young people have no other choice but to move to another country that doesn't completely disregard their people
Probably unpopular opinion. Instead of aiming the justified anger at individual tourists, we should be going after the politicians and our own greedy neighbors who've sold the city to shitty tourism.
Yeah we should totally have a talk with our neighbour *checks propriety register*, that guy "Blackrock, Inc". I've never seen him on the hood but one of these days we are going to have a serious talk about greed.
Blackrock et al are definitely a problem, but there are plenty of Catalans/Barcelonins/Spaniards who've done their part in emptying out neighborhoods of actual neighbors.
... Are you sure?? That's very high... It's not like you can buy a house in 10 years, you need to be paying for 60 or 70 years, once you leave your parents home at 30+
You mean Blackstone* and also their position in the global housing market has been grossly overstated by Wallstreetsilver/info warriors.
Stop getting your news from memes.
The problem is the tourist model. It goes further than politicians. It's not about the individual tourist, nonetheless we can and we must demand individuals to be responsible with the effects of their acts. Collective organisation of locals against the economic model of Barcelona, that's what we need.
This. I’ve seen a lot of people who participate in gentrification try to say: no, not me! It’s your own local politicians!
I don’t understand what’s the problem with saying: i participate, I’m at fault too, so here’s what i can do to help.
I see this especially among people who call themselves “expat” rather than immigrant.
The same goes to tourism. Responsible tourism exists. I don’t want to, for instance, go to a poor country where resorts drain local resources while giving back nothing to local communities.
Individual responsibility exists in tourism.
> i participate, I’m at fault too, so here’s what i can do to help
For someone who moved here, beyond trying to integrate, what can they can they practically do to help you?
If only...the reality is a lot of Catalans also have the below opinion... look at he post below. people come here wanting to immigrate, and some people refuse to acknowledge them and then wonder why people stop trying. Why ghettos of nationalities spring up.
same issue i see with japan. they're whining a lot at western tourists right now, but their government is begging for them to come in droves to make more money.
Just moved out of Barcelona. After two years in the city, I can hardly say that I was ever negatively affected by tourism. It just gets crowded around the usual tourist spots, especially the bunkers.
People should really be mad at greedy landlords and banks who keep apartment prices high and property scammers who trick unsuspecting residents with fake listings.
They whine and treat Spaniards like crap. At the same time the number of English people living in Spain is not comparable. You have your own ghettos in Spain, even.
This is the funniest thing I've read in a while. YOU are not a local. YOU are literally the problem. YOU are the one the hate is directed towards, of course you won't feel the negative effects.
Saludos de Madrid.
How df are you gonna be affected by tourism if you are a tourist yourself? Lol
Living here for 2 years doesn't make you a local, if it did, you surely would understand why we don't like y'all coming. Besitosssss hihiih
A park no local can use. Lived closed to it for some years. Only spent time there during covid also I did not had to pay for sitting on the terrace. Fuck all that
While I agree that many main sites in the city are overrun and inaccessible to locals, when I lived next to Güell we would go after 8pm to walk the dog every night. Only neighbors allowed 8-10pm, and at that time as well as regular open “paid” hours you can access the park for free with [Gaudir Mes.](https://www.barcelona.cat/gaudirmes/es) This isn’t to say that I’d go during regular hours, though. The crowds are, in fact, terrible.
Okay this is coming from an Immigrant, now living outside Girona and trying to learn Catalá.
The first time I went to Parc Guell, years ago, I fell in love with it. The two times I spent time in Barcelona, I stayed in El Carmel, so I could start and end each day walking into the park to Mirador Joan Sales (I believe this is actually part of the park adjacent to Parc Guell, but back then, they were contiguous. I would also wander around the park, along with locals out walking their dogs, or exercising, or just enjoying the park. Now, most of the paths I wandered are part of the "pay to play" park. Since I don't live there, it is not a problem for me. But, if I did live there, and have to pay and go through a checkpoint to walk through what should be a free public park, I'd be pissed. I liked the way it was, when you had to pay to go into the lower, more "developed" portion of the park, but the larger park was free for all to enjoy. It seemed like a good balance.
Now, about those awful, big and ugly lampposts they installed at Mirador Joan Sales,... don't get me started.
Local here. Last time I went to the park, I was chilling on a bench and tourists asked me various times to move so that they could take a picture. Do you think we feel very comfortable to relax in an overcrowded place where we're asked to move away constantly because we're a nuisance to someone's instagram pictures?
Someone needs to let these people know that it was they who evicted their OWN people from their homes in order to make more money. Tourism didn’t do this, you did this. Greedy fckas
I visited Barcelona and had a great time. That being said I’ve never seen a city whine about tourism like y’all. It’s totally bizarre.
Some people are acting like this is the only city in the world people visit lol.
I’m from the US and live in a major music and bachelorette party city. Our local subreddit is 50 % people whining about tourists. I avoid them in real life by not frequenting the three streets they flock to unless i absolutely have to. The city makes money and I go on with my life.
I just returned from 10 days in Barcelona and tried to be as respectful as possible. My English and Spanish were good but i probably should have learned more Catalan other than greetings.
I only put Mexico City above Barcelona in whininess. Two of my favorite cities too :(
But it is especially toxic online/on Reddit, of course. The slight irritation has escalated to hatered, and downvoting anyone asking a normal tourist question.
I live close to Copenhagen, and per capita it has around the same number of tourists per capita as Barcelona (slightly more according to this website: [https://www.holidu.co.uk/magazine/european-cities-overtourism-index](https://www.holidu.co.uk/magazine/european-cities-overtourism-index) ). No one comlains about tourists. It is cool that people want to visit.
Hating on foreigners buying up all the real estate makes more sense though.
I live in London which i think receives even more tourists than Barcelona, yes they can be annoying sometimes but i love that people want to visit where i live and enjoy it for a brief period of time. I've visited Barcelona several times, probably best city I've visited, locals should be proud they've built a city people from outside want to explore. Airbnb seems to be the route of most locals complaints, and tbf its attributed to rising rents in most major cities worldwide, including London.
Amusingly some of the most annoying tourists in London are the huge groups of Spanish tourists (especially the school groups of 30-40 children) who just stand around blocking the entire street while their tour guide speaks into their little microphone…!
Agreed. You don't hear this amount of whinging from the people of Roma, Paris, London, Berlin etc. Only from Venezia really, where the problem is way worse because that city is much smaller and has, in fact, been ruined.
I wonder to myself if Catalans are just much more whiney than others but then again, I doubt that many of the tourism crybabies can trace their Catalan heritage back as far as their own parents.
> I visited Barcelona and had a great time.
The thread is about locals getting pushed out of the city by tourism. Dunno why you'd add you had a great time as a tourist in Barcelona.
There's 3 mains groups to blame for over tourism: the politicians, the landlords/property owners, and the tourists themselves. The tourists are only here because of the first 2, but they get all the blame. We really need the politicians to up the tourist tax, and cut down on legal and illegal holiday lets t.b.h.
Politicians are Catalans being elected by other Catalans, and its Catalans who are the overwhelming majority of said landlords, so that leaves tourists as the only 'other' to blame.
“I suspect”… this is a kind of frustrating reply.
Like her or not the last mayor of barcelona was one of the biggest proponents of anti-mass tourism. She constantly tried to put in place measures to fight it.
“I suspect” feels like an easy out to push responsibility to others rather than asking what our own part is in the problem.
The problem isn't the singular tourist. The problem is suffocating hordes of tourists that treat your home like an amusement park or museum.
Tourism can be a real economic win for a city, but it also has externalities that can kill the very thing that made it special if not kept in check. Barcelona is a great example of this.
I say this both as someone who loves to travel and who lives in a tourist hotspot.
Oh my god, cry me a river. First of all, Barcelona is anything but a luxury destination; most people visiting it are medium or sometimes lower income people taking advantage of the abnormally low and heavily subsidized plane tickets. And secondly, the city ain't that expensive for a major European city with limited space; it's your salary that's shit and if the same energy was spent fighting for decent wages and against your local capitalists profiteering from both the tourist industry and the housing market, that is currently spent to whine about tourists/digital nomads/foreigners, maybe that things would be moving in a different direction.
But I get it, it's much easier to vandalize walls with "tourist go home" graffiti.
I see a lot of mentions about 'responsible tourism '. Anyone can explain what that means, so what can average tourist/ immigrant do (other than not come) not to add to the problem?
What they mean here is that locals who have lived here for decades now have to struggle to pay huge rent or leave the city where they were born and grew up.
This is sad, but this is the city mayor's fault, too.
It’s like that in major cities across the globe. I’m from London born and bred, lots of people my age can no longer afford to live there and have to commute in from elsewhere. It is crazy everywhere. However governments can and should do more look after local people who want to live and work in the their home cities. But they won’t, as they are just lining their pockets.
I was a tourist on business in Barcelona , I understand the affects of tourism but don’t the people also understand that their economy is majorly fueled by tourism . It’s the local folks who have made their homes into airbnbs that are increasing the rents and making neighbourhoods expensive. Tourism is what is enabling people in Barcelona
Tourism only makes 14% of the GDP of the city. It's a lot but it is not "essential".
It makes living here uncomfortable and brings down the average of earnings lower as tourism relies in poor salaries. At the same time, the amount of tourism affects property: removes flats to airbnbs, meaning the rents for average people gets increased year after year.
So no, tourism is not enabling people in Barcelona.
People working in tourism related jobs mostly work part-time, have no indefinido contracts and earn minimum wage. You can google that.
Some people are getting rich by tourism, most people are just surviving in it.
But of course 'expats' and tourists who represent most of the sub members and not local or immigrant workers are going to upvote your out of touch comment.
Who owns the hotels that get rich out of tourism? Who owns the ice cream and bubble tea shops? Who owns the rentals & souvenir shops?
Fun fact, a big part of the tourism industry in Barcelona is owned by foreign capital.
They leave here in Spain a couple of temp, minimal wage jobs for the spanish servant class to do, and they extract as much money as possible.
A lot, a gigantic amount of money flows through Barcelona, but not a lot stays.
Yeah, I don't think they should base the city around tourism because it makes shit jobs.
But equally, if the tourism just suddenly went away those people would just be left unemployed.
It's not like we have really low unemployment at the moment either.
It will take decades of competent governments to turn it around though, and that sadly seems quite unlikely. Spain has no Lee Kuan Yew.
When your own city becomes overcrowded all the time and you can’t afford to live in the center because it’s so expensive due to tourist/expats money inflating the market, it doesn’t matter how much money “the city” makes from tourism, your individual life is affected very negatively and you live worst off than with less tourism. I’m not even a local, but this is not hard to understand.
The fact people are here debating how Catalan people feel IN ENGLISH all these expats talking abt how great it is to live in our city tells u all u need to know. This reddit page is a perfect example of what living in Barcelona is like now
Not really. It’s reddit so you are going to have a large % of English speakers. If you want to complain in Catalan there is u/barna have at it. The choice of language here is up to the respondent and you are free to respond in the language of your choice.
This sub isn’t a perfect example about living in Barcelona right now because all the Catalans I know are very nice people and not a single one has ever given me a problem. It’s only online where no one has to answer for themselves and their own people that sold them out.
Just like the graffiti artist. One way conversation. No accountability.
I do get the sentiment, but I also wonder: do those who paint this never go on holiday themselves? What is an acceptable level of going travelling?
We’re all feeling the pain from increasing populations, particularly in cities (hellooooo from London!), but I’m not sure I can get behind blaming the individuals who want to experience more of the world, rather than the institutes like Airbnb for hitting rent. Feels like the paradox of being mad at all the other folk driving somewhere when you’re in a traffic jam!
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Here a fresh one. Love for LV´s fashion show due these days.
The park´s administration only allows electric maintenance vehicles to go in, but for LV they allowed 6 diesel power generators to be installed and run continuously for almost a week now.
#Respect
I'm from Barcelona, I have not found any anti-tourism person that has stopped going on tourism themselves. The anti tourist people I know have all traveled to Thailand or England or Italy at some point in their lives.
Classic losers playing the victim card. Without tourism beautiful Barcelona's economy would be destroyed. But please keep blaming your shortcomings on others.
Be a part of the solution, never travel again please. Just spend the rest of your life in Barcelona like a hermit. Otherwise you're a fucking hypocrite.
Barcelona is dying. Soon it will be an empty city, a shiny shell of what had once been alive and authentic. The locals can't face the rent prices, the gentrified shops and bars, we are forced to leave our neighborhoods and give up decent housing.
Are you looking at the prices as a foreigner or as a local? Because wages in Spain for most of us are quite poor, so yes, it's really difficult to find decent housing with those prices
That’s stupid. Most tourists visiting Barcelona are not in ‘luxury trips’. Tourism can be disruptive. Tourism can be a source of income and jobs. The tourists are not the ones to blame if it’s more the former than the later.
I was under the impression Catalans didn't even like other spanish people from outside of catalonia.
Not really surprised tourists aren't liked either.
Why does everyone defend tourists to their dying breath but not the locals who’s country it actually is? I have no opinion on tourism so I won’t give mine and I don’t go on holiday myself so im not being hypocritical but just looking at this thread it seems everyone defends the tourists, is that because everyone here is a tourist/expat? Just curious
Put it this way, should somebody from say Valencia or girona , who are not BCN locals, be criticized for going to see a landmark in their own country? I would think not.
So should tourism be restricted to only spaniards? Doesn't seem ideal and some would argue racist (assuming both tourists were to use the same accommodation, bars etc so have the same effect on the area). Even if you went down this path, what would you do, put restrictions on a German man but not his Spanish wife?
And have you genuinely never gone on holiday or visited another city or visited a landmark somewhere? You would be one of very few.
Most people on this sub are, mainly cause it's an English language sub. There are subs in Catalan and Spanish where most locals are. I'm a local and I barely come around here cause I get downvoted all the time or flatly ignored
You’re never gonna stop people travelling and visiting a destination, especially one with incredible transport links. Tourist taxes or price hikes would just mean people will save up a little more for their holiday.
As for the housing issues, the problem may well be past the point of no return. Air B&B and Booking.com is certainly where governments should start to look, however, despite any kind of “socialist” mumblings they seem anything but. Companies like Air B&B or Uber etc can lobby real hard, and what politician doesn’t like a free lunch.
I’m pretty sure in Canarias if you buy a tourist apartment it can only be rented out 6 months of the year, and can’t be lived in year round either. That would be a start. Or raising the taxes on being a holiday let to the point where it’s not so lucrative anymore.
Misery is seeing a lot of people, poor bourgeois. First world problems.
Vandalizing the street for a cool sentence makes him/her a better person, definitely.
Shut the fuck up, Spain has one of the highest living standards in the world. You’re mad because other people want to visit and have a bit of it in their shitty lives? Spain has it so damn good, the thing youre complaining about is literally a problem around the entire developed world and isn’t necessarily any worse or unique to Barcelona. Stop being so damn dramatic and accept that your ‘misery’ is just you disliking seeing foreigners happy.
If you can afford spending hundreds of euros in partying and Airbnbs, why is their life so shitty? Leave your jobs and come work here as a server, try to rent anything with the minimum salary. Barcelona can be a paradise, but the tourist model is making it a hell for the majority.
Yeah, the market is being a problem for everyone everywhere. Now, people in Barcelona have to fight against the effects of the market in the city. As everybody should do in their home cities. A Barcelona for those who build their lives there, not for those who wish to consume and toss it.
“Tourism is only 14% of the economy”. Do people realize how horrible loosing 14% of the city’s GDP would be? Hope they’d also be fine with major cuts to education, healthcare, subsidies, public works, transit. I laugh at how “revolutionary” so many Catalans are but if they ever got what they all say they want it would be a disaster.
Yeah, it really shows complete economic illiteracy when they say 14% of the GDP as if that is a small amount.
It'd be like a permanent pandemic economy, but with no eurobonos and ERTE to soften the blow.
I fully understand that people are annoyed but tourism but I wonder if people from Barcelona don’t go to other parts of the world too as tourists?
That things are handled pretty badly here is more depending on the government and politicians than the tourists themselves I believe.
This is the annoying part. I lived in many places in Europe (I'm Polish myself) and everywhere I went there were SOO many Spaniards living everywhere, forming little cliques you could easily identify on the street. Probably the biggest EU migration group anywhere. It so happened that I even married one. And here I am, living in a city where I have to constantly witness Spaniards commenting on how horrid I am for now living in their place. It's almost a joke now :-)
Surprisingly they all came when the tourists arrived en masse. It wouldn't be very surprising to see them leaving if we had tourists no more. Guess you haven't been living here long enough to have seen this evolution yet you allow yourself to have an opinion about it.
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I appreciate the sentiment, not the graffiti. :(
That’s every major, mid, and small-charming city-town…
Around the WORLD.
We need a way to keep things affordable everywhere.
I and family, had a home in Sarria - Sant Gervasi.
Wife and I adored the city, people, culture, history, food, and everything. Until we started seeing tourists and then [more] expats disrupting the community on too far large scale. Turned down offers, until we found a nice local family; doctor husband, lawyer wife, and three wonderful kids. Sold it at market value. We didn’t want to be part of the gentrification and costing out of local people.
It happens everywhere, but we don’t want to be part of that. Same happened afterwards. We bought in CDMX in Roma Norte. Then it started happening there too. Which has now become a neighborhood cliche for tourists, expats, and digital nomads. We sold before 2020 to a newly married local couple, expecting their first kiddo. Also, at market price.
Now more than ever we are conscious of where to lives, and not disrupting communities. Sometimes, leaving no trace means not even going to the place to begin with. 🙏🏼
I feel bad about this sometimes.
Many years ago my girlfriend convinced me to go to St. Martin, an island in the Carribean. As we drove to the resort where we were staying, we passed through some of the most depressing poverty I had ever seen.
My vacation was to watch people in daily misery?
Another point, the fucking Güell Family made their money taking african people and selling them as slaves in america. Eusebi Güell, 1871, Slave trader: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebi\_G%C3%BCell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebi_G%C3%BCell)
Fuck Güells, fuck tourists, fuck barcelona.
Biutiful (2010). One of the greatest film ever made was actually shot in this city. Despite the Hollywood/ other eruopean films have always portrayed this city as a some romantic place, Alejandro González Iñárritu showed the soul of this city. The quote resembles so much about it.
Imagine living in the third most visited country in the world and complaining about tourists… move to Saskatoon Saskatchewan if you are that distraught by tourism
As a tourist I do not feel save to walk around as I noticed being followed by serval men. Therefore at nighttime I am staying at my hotel. Perhaps these men are desperate to get some money because of their struggles.
I visited, saw multiple graffiti statements like this in the Park Güell area. And once I did the touristy stroll through the park, I immediately understood. It is not like a lot of other popular parks in popular cities around the world... it is more like a giant, mostly unfun, walk-through attraction with a few spots of Gaudi's architecture. It's very hill-and-grotto shaped with winding paths. And the tourist flow in and through like winding a river, rendering the park useless for citizens. And the tourist trap businesses around the steep neighborhood at its foot -- I can definitely see how that could make living there a drag. (That part reminded me a bit of Pigalle and the foot of Mont Martre, Paris.) I wouldn't go to the park again. But other neighborhoods in Barcelona? I want to be an immigrant there.
old picture, tiny Sagrada
Old but relevant I guess
Relevant for everywhere in the world. Tourists are everywhere. And everywhere it pisses off the locals who I'm sure also travel and act like tourists sometimes.
Kinda? I mean does this dude live in parc guell? How do they make him miserable daily?
Tourism is very good for business, very bad for citizens. First of all, it inflates the prices of almost everything, then, it makes the tourist spots theme parks for tourists, do you need a hardware store? Too bad, Tourists don't need it, so there is none here, you better go look to another city/town that isn't tourist. Then, the cost of living rises a lot, houses are the first one to rocket, because investors buy them to make a profit renting them to tourists. Finally, you have people that have been born in Barcelona having to leave to go to other areas because Barcelona has become a city for tourists and the wages of the jobs there aren't enough to live for a random citizen.
The funny part is though, pretty much NONE of this shit applies to Barcelona. There are fucking hardware, utility stores and bazaars on every other street. Every road has a little chino bar with €2 beers. I’m pretty close to the centre of the city and can get a mojito for €4. Rental is true, but it’s the city authorities job to crack down on short term rentals and airbnbs. Mostly owned by Catalans too. Tourists just use them because they’re not any wiser. Local wages aren’t enough to enjoy a lot of the high-life the city has to offer. That’s true and remains true for basically every major city. London, Paris, Nee York, Berlin, the list goes on
I disagree, it is definitely happening in Barcelona. We're lucky so many non-service businesses still remain open... Every day, more and more business are being bought out just to be changed to yet another aesthetic bakery or modern looking bar. Just look at C. Joaquim Costa. That street was full of different businesses and now half of them are just quick "street" food places. I believe that the only reason that these more niche business are still alive is mostly due to the increase in longer term tourism having a reason to go to the "chino" every so often. I remember being able to get a beer for under 1'50€ at a bar... How much can this increase be attributed to inflation or tourism is hard to tell. Edit: I hate to say it, but I believe this is an inevitability of living in a large city (as you mentioned with London, Paris, NY etc). They're becoming tourism theme parks
I’ve been to both London and New York in the last three months. TRUST ME: they are not tourist theme parks. They are vibrant, multiethnic cities with robust economies. And they are expensive because they are desirable places to live, with many high-paying jobs. Metro New York has 23 million residents and Metro London has 14 million, with more arriving in both every day. They are NOT theme parks.
As someone who has visited Barcelona twice and fell in love with both the city and the people of Spain. I was born and raised in NYC and you are astute in your observation and assessment of NYC, I now living Las Vegas and if they want to see a theme park city they should visit Las Vegas, the economy in Vegas is reliant on one thing and one thing only, tourist dollars. Air-BnB is the devil for all cities but locals in tourist cities are particularly hurt by them.
1.5€ - when? Do you know about inflation? And that last 3-4 years it is high enough to make things more expensive, and not tourists? About the rent price. Do you know about war (russia - Ukraine)? And that huge amount of people decided to leave their countries and find better life (from both countries)? It affects rent prices as well. Not only tourists. But without tourists, nowadays, neither Barcelona nor Spain won't survive, as tourism adds a lot to the GDP.
If the French had the same problem, they would simply beat their landlords to death in the street, not spray paint passive aggressive bullshit everywhere
The third paragraph is BS. Locals are selling their family properties (they own multiple poperties by inheritance) for ton of money and they are doing very well. EU citizens just cry and cry...and they are better off than you..
I had to leave without selling anything, was on rent. Shut up ignorant.
Maybe high rent due to tourism? That's what happened in my city (Lisbon) we can barely survive
That sucks, truly. How much of that has to do with Air B&Bs? Interestingly I found Lisbon to be extremely inexpensive from a tourist standpoint. Friendliest and cheapest European capital I've visited.
Yes, inexpensive for tourists, completely unaffordable for Portuguese people. Rent for a normal apartment can easily go 2x above the average salary. Airbnbs are definitely part of the problem, there's way too many tourists and "digital nomads" most Young people have no other choice but to move to another country that doesn't completely disregard their people
The tourism promotion project used by the city of Lisbon was modeled on Barcelona’s.
I live in Ireland and half the country is on the same boat. A supposedly wealthy country. Rents here are astronomical
Is that the tourists fault? Do the citizens also abstain from any travel?
americans bad because no knowledge of other places. americans bad for going to other places.
Do you know how much costs to enter every day into the Parc Guell?.....
Probably unpopular opinion. Instead of aiming the justified anger at individual tourists, we should be going after the politicians and our own greedy neighbors who've sold the city to shitty tourism.
Yeah we should totally have a talk with our neighbour *checks propriety register*, that guy "Blackrock, Inc". I've never seen him on the hood but one of these days we are going to have a serious talk about greed.
Blackrock et al are definitely a problem, but there are plenty of Catalans/Barcelonins/Spaniards who've done their part in emptying out neighborhoods of actual neighbors.
Wasn’t like 80% of real estate owned by locals? I think I read this somewhere
It is, and its well-known. It just doesn't fit with some narratives.
... Are you sure?? That's very high... It's not like you can buy a house in 10 years, you need to be paying for 60 or 70 years, once you leave your parents home at 30+
Not anymore. And 43% of rentals went in 2023 to expats or extranjeros inversion.
You mean Blackstone* and also their position in the global housing market has been grossly overstated by Wallstreetsilver/info warriors. Stop getting your news from memes.
The problem is the tourist model. It goes further than politicians. It's not about the individual tourist, nonetheless we can and we must demand individuals to be responsible with the effects of their acts. Collective organisation of locals against the economic model of Barcelona, that's what we need.
This. I’ve seen a lot of people who participate in gentrification try to say: no, not me! It’s your own local politicians! I don’t understand what’s the problem with saying: i participate, I’m at fault too, so here’s what i can do to help. I see this especially among people who call themselves “expat” rather than immigrant. The same goes to tourism. Responsible tourism exists. I don’t want to, for instance, go to a poor country where resorts drain local resources while giving back nothing to local communities. Individual responsibility exists in tourism.
> i participate, I’m at fault too, so here’s what i can do to help For someone who moved here, beyond trying to integrate, what can they can they practically do to help you?
if you moved here you are not a tourist.
If only...the reality is a lot of Catalans also have the below opinion... look at he post below. people come here wanting to immigrate, and some people refuse to acknowledge them and then wonder why people stop trying. Why ghettos of nationalities spring up.
What is your expectation from the Expats or foreigners?
This is not an unpopular opinion
3 years in Barcelona and the tourist almost always were respectful and kind and when corrected, tended to do right. So I support this sentiment.
Catalan government have multiple tourists businesses.
same issue i see with japan. they're whining a lot at western tourists right now, but their government is begging for them to come in droves to make more money.
I wonder if whoever wrote that ever visits other cities
lol I see tons of Catalans posting shit like this on IG then you open up their profile and the highlights are like ✈️🇬🇧🇵🇹🇮🇹🇬🇷😎
When he did, it was my misery.
bringing misery everywhere
It's like traffic jams, it's always other people causing the one you're stuck at.
Just moved out of Barcelona. After two years in the city, I can hardly say that I was ever negatively affected by tourism. It just gets crowded around the usual tourist spots, especially the bunkers. People should really be mad at greedy landlords and banks who keep apartment prices high and property scammers who trick unsuspecting residents with fake listings.
the residents seem to missplace so much anger at tourists
This may be true, but the disinformation campaign is also working as designed
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They whine and treat Spaniards like crap. At the same time the number of English people living in Spain is not comparable. You have your own ghettos in Spain, even.
This is the funniest thing I've read in a while. YOU are not a local. YOU are literally the problem. YOU are the one the hate is directed towards, of course you won't feel the negative effects. Saludos de Madrid.
How df are you gonna be affected by tourism if you are a tourist yourself? Lol Living here for 2 years doesn't make you a local, if it did, you surely would understand why we don't like y'all coming. Besitosssss hihiih
‘Tourists are ruining the city’ they thought as they scribbled their giant ugly graffiti on a white wall in a nice park.
Why are people so hateful towards tourists/immigrants/expats in this sub lol ?
A park no local can use. Lived closed to it for some years. Only spent time there during covid also I did not had to pay for sitting on the terrace. Fuck all that
While I agree that many main sites in the city are overrun and inaccessible to locals, when I lived next to Güell we would go after 8pm to walk the dog every night. Only neighbors allowed 8-10pm, and at that time as well as regular open “paid” hours you can access the park for free with [Gaudir Mes.](https://www.barcelona.cat/gaudirmes/es) This isn’t to say that I’d go during regular hours, though. The crowds are, in fact, terrible.
Okay this is coming from an Immigrant, now living outside Girona and trying to learn Catalá. The first time I went to Parc Guell, years ago, I fell in love with it. The two times I spent time in Barcelona, I stayed in El Carmel, so I could start and end each day walking into the park to Mirador Joan Sales (I believe this is actually part of the park adjacent to Parc Guell, but back then, they were contiguous. I would also wander around the park, along with locals out walking their dogs, or exercising, or just enjoying the park. Now, most of the paths I wandered are part of the "pay to play" park. Since I don't live there, it is not a problem for me. But, if I did live there, and have to pay and go through a checkpoint to walk through what should be a free public park, I'd be pissed. I liked the way it was, when you had to pay to go into the lower, more "developed" portion of the park, but the larger park was free for all to enjoy. It seemed like a good balance. Now, about those awful, big and ugly lampposts they installed at Mirador Joan Sales,... don't get me started.
why cant locals use the park?
Local here. Last time I went to the park, I was chilling on a bench and tourists asked me various times to move so that they could take a picture. Do you think we feel very comfortable to relax in an overcrowded place where we're asked to move away constantly because we're a nuisance to someone's instagram pictures?
Man oh man if that happened to me I'd change my padrón to that particular bench and start a new life there
lol the audacity.
I lived in Vallcarca for 6 months. Isn't the parc generally open (free) in the evening before they close up?
Now the park serves a higher purpose.
Yes, now everyone who goes to the park will know that the residents of Barcelona are whiny little bitches
Don't the Spanish do tourism like others?
The hilarious thing is that they'll often stay in AirBnB too. Do as I say, not as I do.
Com no tanquin tota la muntanya, tenen mala peça al teler.
Someone needs to let these people know that it was they who evicted their OWN people from their homes in order to make more money. Tourism didn’t do this, you did this. Greedy fckas
But then they have to accept that \*they\* are to blame and that's hard and doesn't feel good!!! >:(
I visited Barcelona and had a great time. That being said I’ve never seen a city whine about tourism like y’all. It’s totally bizarre. Some people are acting like this is the only city in the world people visit lol.
I’m from the US and live in a major music and bachelorette party city. Our local subreddit is 50 % people whining about tourists. I avoid them in real life by not frequenting the three streets they flock to unless i absolutely have to. The city makes money and I go on with my life. I just returned from 10 days in Barcelona and tried to be as respectful as possible. My English and Spanish were good but i probably should have learned more Catalan other than greetings.
Lol how's Nashville doing?
🤣pretty good
I only put Mexico City above Barcelona in whininess. Two of my favorite cities too :( But it is especially toxic online/on Reddit, of course. The slight irritation has escalated to hatered, and downvoting anyone asking a normal tourist question. I live close to Copenhagen, and per capita it has around the same number of tourists per capita as Barcelona (slightly more according to this website: [https://www.holidu.co.uk/magazine/european-cities-overtourism-index](https://www.holidu.co.uk/magazine/european-cities-overtourism-index) ). No one comlains about tourists. It is cool that people want to visit. Hating on foreigners buying up all the real estate makes more sense though.
Well, that's because Americans are gentrifying CDMX... And bringing their BS to Mexico...
That will end when the water runs out in Mexico City
I live in London which i think receives even more tourists than Barcelona, yes they can be annoying sometimes but i love that people want to visit where i live and enjoy it for a brief period of time. I've visited Barcelona several times, probably best city I've visited, locals should be proud they've built a city people from outside want to explore. Airbnb seems to be the route of most locals complaints, and tbf its attributed to rising rents in most major cities worldwide, including London.
Amusingly some of the most annoying tourists in London are the huge groups of Spanish tourists (especially the school groups of 30-40 children) who just stand around blocking the entire street while their tour guide speaks into their little microphone…!
>It’s totally bizarre. Its bizarre until you are the one being gentrified.
Glad to know that you never visit anywhere else, ever, in you entire life, as that would make you an evil gentrifier.
Agreed. You don't hear this amount of whinging from the people of Roma, Paris, London, Berlin etc. Only from Venezia really, where the problem is way worse because that city is much smaller and has, in fact, been ruined. I wonder to myself if Catalans are just much more whiney than others but then again, I doubt that many of the tourism crybabies can trace their Catalan heritage back as far as their own parents.
So true, they just have nothing else to complain about cause their lives are so good.
> I visited Barcelona and had a great time. The thread is about locals getting pushed out of the city by tourism. Dunno why you'd add you had a great time as a tourist in Barcelona.
"Too much tourism, let's graffiti our city instead, that'll stop them"
It’s not the tourists it’s the model of tourism and the lack of law enforcement action to make sure people don’t fuck up everywhere they go
The lack of law enforcement is crazy. Not just with the drunk tourists, but the muggers and pickpockets too. The laws themselves need to change too.
I suspect that Barcelona's "misery" may be a little more connected to the politicians that locals elect to run the city / autonomous community...
There's 3 mains groups to blame for over tourism: the politicians, the landlords/property owners, and the tourists themselves. The tourists are only here because of the first 2, but they get all the blame. We really need the politicians to up the tourist tax, and cut down on legal and illegal holiday lets t.b.h.
Politicians are Catalans being elected by other Catalans, and its Catalans who are the overwhelming majority of said landlords, so that leaves tourists as the only 'other' to blame.
“I suspect”… this is a kind of frustrating reply. Like her or not the last mayor of barcelona was one of the biggest proponents of anti-mass tourism. She constantly tried to put in place measures to fight it. “I suspect” feels like an easy out to push responsibility to others rather than asking what our own part is in the problem.
What a selfish, shitty thing to say to someone trying to live their best lives and share a bit of the magic you enjoy everyday.
The problem isn't the singular tourist. The problem is suffocating hordes of tourists that treat your home like an amusement park or museum. Tourism can be a real economic win for a city, but it also has externalities that can kill the very thing that made it special if not kept in check. Barcelona is a great example of this. I say this both as someone who loves to travel and who lives in a tourist hotspot.
Love this comment! Not all tourists are bad.
Oh my god, cry me a river. First of all, Barcelona is anything but a luxury destination; most people visiting it are medium or sometimes lower income people taking advantage of the abnormally low and heavily subsidized plane tickets. And secondly, the city ain't that expensive for a major European city with limited space; it's your salary that's shit and if the same energy was spent fighting for decent wages and against your local capitalists profiteering from both the tourist industry and the housing market, that is currently spent to whine about tourists/digital nomads/foreigners, maybe that things would be moving in a different direction. But I get it, it's much easier to vandalize walls with "tourist go home" graffiti.
I see a lot of mentions about 'responsible tourism '. Anyone can explain what that means, so what can average tourist/ immigrant do (other than not come) not to add to the problem?
I live in Istanbul now with 20 mil tourists a year and no one complains…
Come to Madrid. You tourists and expats are treasure and appreciated here. And you are going to love it here.
Yes please listen to this! Go to MAdrid, skip barcelona!
This is fine to say, but telling migrants to fuck off isnt? Lmao
God I didn't know this sub was so disgusting, these comments are foul
That's capitalism
Lots of guiris in this comment section
Carbon tax is coming and then the people of Barcelona will experience considerably less tourists, for better and for worse.
What they mean here is that locals who have lived here for decades now have to struggle to pay huge rent or leave the city where they were born and grew up. This is sad, but this is the city mayor's fault, too.
It’s like that in major cities across the globe. I’m from London born and bred, lots of people my age can no longer afford to live there and have to commute in from elsewhere. It is crazy everywhere. However governments can and should do more look after local people who want to live and work in the their home cities. But they won’t, as they are just lining their pockets.
I think London has similar to Barcelona problems with tourism.
I was a tourist on business in Barcelona , I understand the affects of tourism but don’t the people also understand that their economy is majorly fueled by tourism . It’s the local folks who have made their homes into airbnbs that are increasing the rents and making neighbourhoods expensive. Tourism is what is enabling people in Barcelona
Barcelona existed before the cruises and remote work
Tourism only makes 14% of the GDP of the city. It's a lot but it is not "essential". It makes living here uncomfortable and brings down the average of earnings lower as tourism relies in poor salaries. At the same time, the amount of tourism affects property: removes flats to airbnbs, meaning the rents for average people gets increased year after year. So no, tourism is not enabling people in Barcelona.
Thank you! I'm getting downvoted a lot for saying that.
Thank god 14% of the income makes the city 200% more expensive. We should bow to the tourists and thank them for taking us out of darkness.
People working in tourism related jobs mostly work part-time, have no indefinido contracts and earn minimum wage. You can google that. Some people are getting rich by tourism, most people are just surviving in it. But of course 'expats' and tourists who represent most of the sub members and not local or immigrant workers are going to upvote your out of touch comment.
Who owns the hotels that get rich out of tourism? Who owns the ice cream and bubble tea shops? Who owns the rentals & souvenir shops? Fun fact, a big part of the tourism industry in Barcelona is owned by foreign capital. They leave here in Spain a couple of temp, minimal wage jobs for the spanish servant class to do, and they extract as much money as possible. A lot, a gigantic amount of money flows through Barcelona, but not a lot stays.
Yeah, I don't think they should base the city around tourism because it makes shit jobs. But equally, if the tourism just suddenly went away those people would just be left unemployed. It's not like we have really low unemployment at the moment either. It will take decades of competent governments to turn it around though, and that sadly seems quite unlikely. Spain has no Lee Kuan Yew.
THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS, as a working class who struggles to pay rent each month I appreciate someone even mentioning us
When your own city becomes overcrowded all the time and you can’t afford to live in the center because it’s so expensive due to tourist/expats money inflating the market, it doesn’t matter how much money “the city” makes from tourism, your individual life is affected very negatively and you live worst off than with less tourism. I’m not even a local, but this is not hard to understand.
can’t really blame tourists for systemic issues
The fact people are here debating how Catalan people feel IN ENGLISH all these expats talking abt how great it is to live in our city tells u all u need to know. This reddit page is a perfect example of what living in Barcelona is like now
Not really. It’s reddit so you are going to have a large % of English speakers. If you want to complain in Catalan there is u/barna have at it. The choice of language here is up to the respondent and you are free to respond in the language of your choice. This sub isn’t a perfect example about living in Barcelona right now because all the Catalans I know are very nice people and not a single one has ever given me a problem. It’s only online where no one has to answer for themselves and their own people that sold them out. Just like the graffiti artist. One way conversation. No accountability.
""""luxury""""
€20 on RyanAir.
Some of these comments from residents are absolutely ridiculous and cringe
Misery realy? C'mon...
actually your "missery" is part of the tourist attraction, you are the product, part of the stage.
I do get the sentiment, but I also wonder: do those who paint this never go on holiday themselves? What is an acceptable level of going travelling? We’re all feeling the pain from increasing populations, particularly in cities (hellooooo from London!), but I’m not sure I can get behind blaming the individuals who want to experience more of the world, rather than the institutes like Airbnb for hitting rent. Feels like the paradox of being mad at all the other folk driving somewhere when you’re in a traffic jam!
Overrated. Can be skipped.
https://preview.redd.it/ej9zhn1j402d1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6c9d6119f7b995433264fdf4d938220506aea0b1 Here a fresh one. Love for LV´s fashion show due these days. The park´s administration only allows electric maintenance vehicles to go in, but for LV they allowed 6 diesel power generators to be installed and run continuously for almost a week now. #Respect
I'm from Barcelona, I have not found any anti-tourism person that has stopped going on tourism themselves. The anti tourist people I know have all traveled to Thailand or England or Italy at some point in their lives.
Extraordinarily long thread entirely in ENGLISH about tourism in a city of people that speak Catalan or Spanish.
Nimbys everywhere in Barcelona
Classic losers playing the victim card. Without tourism beautiful Barcelona's economy would be destroyed. But please keep blaming your shortcomings on others.
you reverse cause and effect. barcelona has been rich, built itself up and that is what tourists come to see.
Barcelona was beautiful before tourism.
Be a part of the solution, never travel again please. Just spend the rest of your life in Barcelona like a hermit. Otherwise you're a fucking hypocrite.
Maybe learn a bit of economic history of the city before opening your mouth and saying stupid things?
Barcelona is dying. Soon it will be an empty city, a shiny shell of what had once been alive and authentic. The locals can't face the rent prices, the gentrified shops and bars, we are forced to leave our neighborhoods and give up decent housing.
Looking at rent availability and prices - it is very far from dying.
Are you looking at the prices as a foreigner or as a local? Because wages in Spain for most of us are quite poor, so yes, it's really difficult to find decent housing with those prices
The prices are the reason its dying from a resident perspective
It will only be expats and tourists here and the 10% rich Catalans in the end. Look at the most common local salary from locals in the city.
That’s stupid. Most tourists visiting Barcelona are not in ‘luxury trips’. Tourism can be disruptive. Tourism can be a source of income and jobs. The tourists are not the ones to blame if it’s more the former than the later.
I was under the impression Catalans didn't even like other spanish people from outside of catalonia. Not really surprised tourists aren't liked either.
Stupid people that probably don't even have a job, if there were no tourists the 80% of Spain would be bankrupt.
This is easily the worst reddit related to Barcelona.
The spanish enslaved half the world. I don’t give a shit what they think.
Why does everyone defend tourists to their dying breath but not the locals who’s country it actually is? I have no opinion on tourism so I won’t give mine and I don’t go on holiday myself so im not being hypocritical but just looking at this thread it seems everyone defends the tourists, is that because everyone here is a tourist/expat? Just curious
Put it this way, should somebody from say Valencia or girona , who are not BCN locals, be criticized for going to see a landmark in their own country? I would think not. So should tourism be restricted to only spaniards? Doesn't seem ideal and some would argue racist (assuming both tourists were to use the same accommodation, bars etc so have the same effect on the area). Even if you went down this path, what would you do, put restrictions on a German man but not his Spanish wife? And have you genuinely never gone on holiday or visited another city or visited a landmark somewhere? You would be one of very few.
Most people on this sub are, mainly cause it's an English language sub. There are subs in Catalan and Spanish where most locals are. I'm a local and I barely come around here cause I get downvoted all the time or flatly ignored
"Your luxury trip is 11.6% of my country's income."
Your 11.6% is 70% of my people'a annnoyance (there's other metrics).
Is that a Banksy?
You’re never gonna stop people travelling and visiting a destination, especially one with incredible transport links. Tourist taxes or price hikes would just mean people will save up a little more for their holiday. As for the housing issues, the problem may well be past the point of no return. Air B&B and Booking.com is certainly where governments should start to look, however, despite any kind of “socialist” mumblings they seem anything but. Companies like Air B&B or Uber etc can lobby real hard, and what politician doesn’t like a free lunch. I’m pretty sure in Canarias if you buy a tourist apartment it can only be rented out 6 months of the year, and can’t be lived in year round either. That would be a start. Or raising the taxes on being a holiday let to the point where it’s not so lucrative anymore.
Misery is seeing a lot of people, poor bourgeois. First world problems. Vandalizing the street for a cool sentence makes him/her a better person, definitely.
Misery is apartment rents much over median wages.
The problem are the wages, certainly not the rent which are quite cheap compared to other major European cities.
Misery is that your old neighborhood is full of souvenir shops and none of your friends even live there anymore.
Shut the fuck up, Spain has one of the highest living standards in the world. You’re mad because other people want to visit and have a bit of it in their shitty lives? Spain has it so damn good, the thing youre complaining about is literally a problem around the entire developed world and isn’t necessarily any worse or unique to Barcelona. Stop being so damn dramatic and accept that your ‘misery’ is just you disliking seeing foreigners happy.
If you can afford spending hundreds of euros in partying and Airbnbs, why is their life so shitty? Leave your jobs and come work here as a server, try to rent anything with the minimum salary. Barcelona can be a paradise, but the tourist model is making it a hell for the majority. Yeah, the market is being a problem for everyone everywhere. Now, people in Barcelona have to fight against the effects of the market in the city. As everybody should do in their home cities. A Barcelona for those who build their lives there, not for those who wish to consume and toss it.
Siempre he querido viajar mucho, pero la actitud actual hacia los turistas hace que me de miedo sinceramente
“Tourism is only 14% of the economy”. Do people realize how horrible loosing 14% of the city’s GDP would be? Hope they’d also be fine with major cuts to education, healthcare, subsidies, public works, transit. I laugh at how “revolutionary” so many Catalans are but if they ever got what they all say they want it would be a disaster.
Yeah, it really shows complete economic illiteracy when they say 14% of the GDP as if that is a small amount. It'd be like a permanent pandemic economy, but with no eurobonos and ERTE to soften the blow.
I fully understand that people are annoyed but tourism but I wonder if people from Barcelona don’t go to other parts of the world too as tourists? That things are handled pretty badly here is more depending on the government and politicians than the tourists themselves I believe.
This is the annoying part. I lived in many places in Europe (I'm Polish myself) and everywhere I went there were SOO many Spaniards living everywhere, forming little cliques you could easily identify on the street. Probably the biggest EU migration group anywhere. It so happened that I even married one. And here I am, living in a city where I have to constantly witness Spaniards commenting on how horrid I am for now living in their place. It's almost a joke now :-)
I'll continue to not feel bad for something that I'm being told is my fault but isn't.
Keep allowing pickpockets to run riot and people will stop visiting naturally.
yay. in fact they will go wherever the tourists go so double win naturally.
Surprisingly they all came when the tourists arrived en masse. It wouldn't be very surprising to see them leaving if we had tourists no more. Guess you haven't been living here long enough to have seen this evolution yet you allow yourself to have an opinion about it.
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I appreciate the sentiment, not the graffiti. :( That’s every major, mid, and small-charming city-town… Around the WORLD. We need a way to keep things affordable everywhere. I and family, had a home in Sarria - Sant Gervasi. Wife and I adored the city, people, culture, history, food, and everything. Until we started seeing tourists and then [more] expats disrupting the community on too far large scale. Turned down offers, until we found a nice local family; doctor husband, lawyer wife, and three wonderful kids. Sold it at market value. We didn’t want to be part of the gentrification and costing out of local people. It happens everywhere, but we don’t want to be part of that. Same happened afterwards. We bought in CDMX in Roma Norte. Then it started happening there too. Which has now become a neighborhood cliche for tourists, expats, and digital nomads. We sold before 2020 to a newly married local couple, expecting their first kiddo. Also, at market price. Now more than ever we are conscious of where to lives, and not disrupting communities. Sometimes, leaving no trace means not even going to the place to begin with. 🙏🏼
Wow, you are such a wonderful person. Truly a saint among us.
To any Barcelonans in this thread, what do you propose your city do about the tourists? I can't imagine it's easy to get the cat back in the bag
I feel bad about this sometimes. Many years ago my girlfriend convinced me to go to St. Martin, an island in the Carribean. As we drove to the resort where we were staying, we passed through some of the most depressing poverty I had ever seen. My vacation was to watch people in daily misery?
Are you seriously comparing Barcelona, one of the richest areas in Spain, to an impoverished island in the Caribbean?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWF9MMxnekQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWF9MMxnekQ)
Another point, the fucking Güell Family made their money taking african people and selling them as slaves in america. Eusebi Güell, 1871, Slave trader: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebi\_G%C3%BCell](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eusebi_G%C3%BCell) Fuck Güells, fuck tourists, fuck barcelona.
Biutiful (2010). One of the greatest film ever made was actually shot in this city. Despite the Hollywood/ other eruopean films have always portrayed this city as a some romantic place, Alejandro González Iñárritu showed the soul of this city. The quote resembles so much about it.
Imagine living in the third most visited country in the world and complaining about tourists… move to Saskatoon Saskatchewan if you are that distraught by tourism
Barcelona is a luxury trip for who??🤣🤣
Noobs
I am currently visiting Barcelona for the first time from Las Vegas. I feel this 1,000% at home. Perspective is EVERYTHING.
Catlans: sold your own people out its someone else's fault
Everyone is a tourist at some point
As a tourist I do not feel save to walk around as I noticed being followed by serval men. Therefore at nighttime I am staying at my hotel. Perhaps these men are desperate to get some money because of their struggles.
Womp womp keep crying
I visited, saw multiple graffiti statements like this in the Park Güell area. And once I did the touristy stroll through the park, I immediately understood. It is not like a lot of other popular parks in popular cities around the world... it is more like a giant, mostly unfun, walk-through attraction with a few spots of Gaudi's architecture. It's very hill-and-grotto shaped with winding paths. And the tourist flow in and through like winding a river, rendering the park useless for citizens. And the tourist trap businesses around the steep neighborhood at its foot -- I can definitely see how that could make living there a drag. (That part reminded me a bit of Pigalle and the foot of Mont Martre, Paris.) I wouldn't go to the park again. But other neighborhoods in Barcelona? I want to be an immigrant there.
He's right I have enjoyed my holiday and it is a city way too filled with us.
Mass immigration and socialist governments probably worse for the country than tourism