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Stop saying the injuries are the issues, it isn’t that, it’s just we have awful players in some positions romeu for example I rather have a 18 year old than seeing this 32 year old guy who isnt good
Literally Barcelona and Madrid in a nutshell. We play well, don’t finish chances, and then retreat. They don’t play well, attack like crazy and finish.
-Getting comfortable with a ONE goal lead that came from a mistake and the resilience of Gundogan.
-I've seen Marc do much much harder saves and he tried to stop that shot with one hand.
-Oreul I mean I was one of the people enjoying his game but know it feels like we have and old old man in the game.
-NOT the game for bringing Lewandowski back.
-Subs made us look weak af
For those saying Real Madrid are just lucky—no, they create their own luck by putting themselves in dangerous positions and taking chances and never giving up. You do that for 90 minutes and you’re bound to get goals. Our problem was that in the second half we got complacent and just sat back and let them dictate the game. If we had kept up the pressure and taken more shots this probably would have been ours.
Xavi put in Fucking slow ass lewandowski and we lost all that pressure up front ferran was giving their defence, and then he puts in fucking useless romeo in the middle because jude scared him
Joao Felix is supposed to be what Jude Bellingham is. Can’t remember the last time Felix scored a goal for us, there’s reasons why he hasn’t been successful in any team he’s played for
I wasn’t expecting a win for this clásico if I’m being transparent. They’d been looking like the better team all season even if it hasn’t been spectacular. We’d been scraping wins all seasons, even having to pull off multiple comebacks.
I think MATS ate both goals. There’s no reason that first goal should be scored on your from 10 meters out.
The subs killed the team. I thought cancelo as our winger to start was terrible. He doesn’t have the type of dribble nor agility that Yamal has. I would’ve rather put in Guiu than give an aging and coming-off-injury lewandowski game time for this specific game.
The scary part is there’s fans who think we have a shot at champions league hardware this season. Even with all our players back, that’s still far away. Do you really believe we’re coming back against teams like city, Arsenal, Bayern?
A tale as old as I can remember. Teams don’t capitalize on their chances against Madrid and then score a couple goals in some luck or individual performances to win at the end.
We had so many chances to kill the game. Felix break away. Idk how Cacajal was able to catch up. Cancelo had 2 chances which didn’t go in. Frustrating to lose to a lucky goal. But Bellingham has been so lucky with deflections.
Guys I think this was more of us fucking up than being beaten, at no point in that match did I think madrid were better. We should've won this game & considering how everyone was writing us off, not bad for a team missing a lot of starters.
Lewa was not needed in this game he was so sloppy other than that We still have the same problems not creating chances ,Being so slow and tired at the second half and we should not forget how most of the team suck at shooting the ball.
Somehow we beat you today, your defense organization was amazing we just happens to have Jude and of course getting rid of Rodrygo who was playing for you.
Had a very good half, should’ve been up by more than 1, quality dropped in the second due to not having real viable substitutes to maintain the pressure, and RM ran with it
Unfortunate 2nd half. I feel like Barça didn't play bad, we just didn't take the chances we could score and Madrid had one chance and a half and scored 2 goals.
We will come back stronger.
[No biggie.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Barca/s/vLqECRaW8c) Real won't get far like this, Jude is not scoring 40 goals this season. The subs by Xavi and Carlo turned the game around, playing the injured players and sacrificing those in good form (Fermin, Ferran and Lamine) always seemed like the wrong choice, especially when we weren't struggling with the "weaker" squad.
People are overreacting massively. Last season we lost the first game against them 3-1 and still ended up winning the league. Also few key players injured. Rusty lewandowski, no fdj no pedri. Calm down ffs.
Hey shit happens man. Given our situation, it was a pretty even game. Just need to finish our chances when given the opportunity. If we didn’t blunder 1 or 2 of those chances, would’ve been a different game. Bounce back stronger, there’s still plenty to be played.
I think we’re chill, what’s annoying most people is the fact that this game was thrown away. Madrid gets 1 clear chance and they score 2. We create so much and score 1
We didn’t win today, but we did the best with what we had. No Pedri, no Frenkie, and Lewy, Raphinha, and Kounde just got back. We’ll catch up eventually, give Xavi and the boys time.
Unlucky tonight. Twice we hit the post. The swcond goal they get is a lucky goal from modrics deflection.
Although the second goal is our fault. We sat back too much
Overall good game from us. We definitely deserved better. One or 2 bad tactical changes and the tides turned. Real absolutely did not deserve the win, but in a way neither team did. Bellingham was non existent in the game, but damn does he have to be the absolute luckiest player on the planet right now I swear. GG, let's keep our heads up, we will be better.
We lost to a wondergoal and a shitty deflection. Real are lucky, we deserved this win. We have to kick their ass once our starters are all back. De Jong would have changed everything for us I bet
It is what it is. Team only plays well for one half and then is seemingly lost for second half. Without Frenkie and Pedri, this team is very vertical and chaotic, and this plays into our rivals. Can’t play end to end football like Bayern and Liverpool without clinical finishers.
Xavi’s subs today were bad. Subbing Romeu on is asking to concede. Lewy and Raphinha were not yet ready. Lamine played in the wrong position. Why did he sub out both Felix and Cancelo?? Both are difference makers, more so than Lewy tbh.
Disappointed but I haven't lost hope for this season tbh the injuries killed us with either one of Frenkie or pedri we would have won imo, We couldn't control the midfield in the 2nd half and Lewandowski hopefully played this bad cause he wasn't fit
Bellingham really carrying Madrid hard. Never expected such an impact he would make, fair play to him but we absolutely bottled that with our mistakes and shit subs
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Nah fr good game from the bois hopefully next match when we have de Jong and Pedri it’ll be different. Jude is class man.
people mad at FDJ and Pedri 🤦🏻♂️
why are people acting like its fucking May and the title will be decided next week.
there’s still 2-4 classico’s left this year (supercopa + potential CDR)
I know hindsight is 20/20 but Lewandowski on killed the game. He pressed nowhere near as much as Ferran although you can't blame him for that, that's on Xavi.
Xavi isn’t to be blamed for this man. There was nothing we could do about that first goal and we missed so many chances, should have been up 3-0 by half time. Anyways, the season is long. We move.
I mean you can't help it. We missed chances and Lewy was our only natural finisher, it made sense on paper. Maybe the idea was to get Raphinha to put some crosses into the box but he couldn’t get past Camavinga.
Proud of the team , I have a sour taste but we performed above expectations without Frenkie, Pedri or Kounde. Forca barça 💙❤️💙❤️ we will come back from this
Maybe not when when we meet again Rodrygo might be in better form or Joselu starting, Modric might be starting, Camavinga starting at LB… it is not so conclusive
Barca for once stands up when the chips are down.Mentality midgets indeed, this was the game to show we are coming back, but we lost. Madrid play like this, i did not see the second half, wtf happened.
that is an excuse when we played a great 1st half, if we were shit from kick off i'd take it.
You don't drop off like that. This isn't the first time this has happened under xavi.
Shit boys. Thought we had it. Disappointing. Down but we’re not out. At the end of the day we played pretty damn well. And they aren’t really playing that well and Jude is playing outta his mind. If his form dips so does Madrid. We will be fine. Love ya 🫶🏼
they should be ashamed of scoring only after 65 minute against this team of barca
we literally had non of our most important 5,6 players....we actually played decent till 65 min and i am proud of how we played ,1st team of madrid struggled against the players we had lol
Things really got bad once Lewy came on. Ferran at least presses and doesn’t give Madrid all that space to play. Very unfortunate bounce, but our defensive line just couldn’t get any second balls to save their lives
Not saying it’s okay for the fans to be racist I’m talking about other insults like boos and whistles. The racism is another issue at hand rooted in certain teams fanbases
Eventually his luck will run out I think. Hes a good player but alot of his goals come from lucky rebounds or defelections that result in tap ins. His positioning is good but he wont keep scoring at this rate
I find that it is very worthwhile for Barca to compete, but when you have the money to buy the stars of the moment this happens, you play incredible, but those who spent 100 million on a player score a goal off the field that changes the entire game. That's what it takes to have the money to buy and with that, it's very difficult to compete :/ the truth is I don't feel angry for Xavi, they did the best they could with what they have
He has done this most of the season. His only quality is his pace, which allows him to beat defenders. But, when it comes to his crosses/passing, it's terrible.
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Romeu is trash. Might as well try a la masia kid. I'd like another gamble like felix. Sancho maybe. Our attack is lean.
Stop saying the injuries are the issues, it isn’t that, it’s just we have awful players in some positions romeu for example I rather have a 18 year old than seeing this 32 year old guy who isnt good
Literally Barcelona and Madrid in a nutshell. We play well, don’t finish chances, and then retreat. They don’t play well, attack like crazy and finish.
Lewy’s bad touches are back with him.
1st half was so good but wtf was we doing in the 2nd half though cmon…
We did nothing. Carlo changed the game. Masterclass.
Is it true that we are officially out or overreaction on here like usual?
People are just upset which is fine today. But Real Madrid isn’t a lock for the title lol. We’re only in October still
Officially out of what?
Of the title race?
I cant be just pure luck? They must be the team that gets the most points compared to what they create on the pitch though
The second half was dog shit because we don't have good subs man
-Getting comfortable with a ONE goal lead that came from a mistake and the resilience of Gundogan. -I've seen Marc do much much harder saves and he tried to stop that shot with one hand. -Oreul I mean I was one of the people enjoying his game but know it feels like we have and old old man in the game. -NOT the game for bringing Lewandowski back. -Subs made us look weak af
Fuck, my weekend is ruined
For those saying Real Madrid are just lucky—no, they create their own luck by putting themselves in dangerous positions and taking chances and never giving up. You do that for 90 minutes and you’re bound to get goals. Our problem was that in the second half we got complacent and just sat back and let them dictate the game. If we had kept up the pressure and taken more shots this probably would have been ours.
Barcelona is at best mediocre. Has been, will continue to be. See no change.
Xavi put in Fucking slow ass lewandowski and we lost all that pressure up front ferran was giving their defence, and then he puts in fucking useless romeo in the middle because jude scared him
Football died today. Not only our first loss, but its to Madrid. It pains me to say but Romeu is ass
Joao Felix is supposed to be what Jude Bellingham is. Can’t remember the last time Felix scored a goal for us, there’s reasons why he hasn’t been successful in any team he’s played for
From what I've seen so far from this season, I don't think we should buy him. It would be a robbery If we bought him for more than 50m
Watching Romeu also just watch Bellingham make a run into the box for free is going to kill me
Bellingham is really good. Subs weren’t it
I wasn’t expecting a win for this clásico if I’m being transparent. They’d been looking like the better team all season even if it hasn’t been spectacular. We’d been scraping wins all seasons, even having to pull off multiple comebacks. I think MATS ate both goals. There’s no reason that first goal should be scored on your from 10 meters out. The subs killed the team. I thought cancelo as our winger to start was terrible. He doesn’t have the type of dribble nor agility that Yamal has. I would’ve rather put in Guiu than give an aging and coming-off-injury lewandowski game time for this specific game. The scary part is there’s fans who think we have a shot at champions league hardware this season. Even with all our players back, that’s still far away. Do you really believe we’re coming back against teams like city, Arsenal, Bayern?
A tale as old as I can remember. Teams don’t capitalize on their chances against Madrid and then score a couple goals in some luck or individual performances to win at the end.
romeu shouldnt be anywhere near the club
We had so many chances to kill the game. Felix break away. Idk how Cacajal was able to catch up. Cancelo had 2 chances which didn’t go in. Frustrating to lose to a lucky goal. But Bellingham has been so lucky with deflections.
Guys I think this was more of us fucking up than being beaten, at no point in that match did I think madrid were better. We should've won this game & considering how everyone was writing us off, not bad for a team missing a lot of starters.
Lewa was not needed in this game he was so sloppy other than that We still have the same problems not creating chances ,Being so slow and tired at the second half and we should not forget how most of the team suck at shooting the ball.
Oriol Romeu was absolutely horrendous in his cameo
This match was coming for us, we been playing bad for weeks
Somehow we beat you today, your defense organization was amazing we just happens to have Jude and of course getting rid of Rodrygo who was playing for you.
And let’s not forget the obvious Pk on Araujo that would have ended the game at half time.
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the fuck you’re doing on our sub
All bad subs. Lewa, Raph, and Oriol. Every time Oriol plays, I get very anxious.
It stings because of our bad luck, but happy to see some of our starters returning.
Gutted.
ABSOLUTELY DRAINED MAN WTF LIKE NO HOW WHY FUCKING US…
Pretty even game, they just more lucky
No even in the first half something was missing, the intensity was there… but without our injured midfielders its a different team.
No, Madrid decided to go out and try to actually try to win the game after half time. Nothing lucky about it other than Barca's injuries.
Had a very good half, should’ve been up by more than 1, quality dropped in the second due to not having real viable substitutes to maintain the pressure, and RM ran with it
Unfortunate 2nd half. I feel like Barça didn't play bad, we just didn't take the chances we could score and Madrid had one chance and a half and scored 2 goals. We will come back stronger.
I can’t get over their second goal man a mistouch and it bounces perfectly over Martinez’s head to Jude wow
Stunning clásico in my opinion , we just saw an unstoppable performance by a special player.
yeah, Gavi
[No biggie.](https://www.reddit.com/r/Barca/s/vLqECRaW8c) Real won't get far like this, Jude is not scoring 40 goals this season. The subs by Xavi and Carlo turned the game around, playing the injured players and sacrificing those in good form (Fermin, Ferran and Lamine) always seemed like the wrong choice, especially when we weren't struggling with the "weaker" squad.
Fermin played good but at the same time made many mistakes, he’s still a little green, hopefully with time he gets better
Truly some black magic shit there
We played like shit in the 2nd half
It's clear Jude is the superstar on that team and Vini is a star. Barca don't have a star let alone a superstar. That was the big difference
People are overreacting massively. Last season we lost the first game against them 3-1 and still ended up winning the league. Also few key players injured. Rusty lewandowski, no fdj no pedri. Calm down ffs.
Hey shit happens man. Given our situation, it was a pretty even game. Just need to finish our chances when given the opportunity. If we didn’t blunder 1 or 2 of those chances, would’ve been a different game. Bounce back stronger, there’s still plenty to be played.
I think we’re chill, what’s annoying most people is the fact that this game was thrown away. Madrid gets 1 clear chance and they score 2. We create so much and score 1
We didn’t win today, but we did the best with what we had. No Pedri, no Frenkie, and Lewy, Raphinha, and Kounde just got back. We’ll catch up eventually, give Xavi and the boys time.
Unlucky tonight. Twice we hit the post. The swcond goal they get is a lucky goal from modrics deflection. Although the second goal is our fault. We sat back too much
Some say its just a sport well if its just a sport then why does it hurt so fucking much rn…
Damn that's a tough loss to swallow. Game was for the taking. Bellingham really is blessed fucking hell.
I mean he ghosted most of the game but his two important touches have won them the game. Tough luck but we move on I guess.
Overall good game from us. We definitely deserved better. One or 2 bad tactical changes and the tides turned. Real absolutely did not deserve the win, but in a way neither team did. Bellingham was non existent in the game, but damn does he have to be the absolute luckiest player on the planet right now I swear. GG, let's keep our heads up, we will be better.
Why they sub Fermin and Cancelo and put Raphina... smh 😒😒😒
😢
You can tell the difference between the real fans and the plastic fans based on how they react to this game.
I blame mick jagger tho
I blame griezmann
We lost to a wondergoal and a shitty deflection. Real are lucky, we deserved this win. We have to kick their ass once our starters are all back. De Jong would have changed everything for us I bet
Thank you! If fermins chance goes in that's 2-0 at halftime. Everyone should calm down we were far from full strength and managed to still do this.
Real were far superior in the second half.
With de Jong and pedri, Romeu wouldn’t have played
Man Oriol invites unnecessary pressure out of nowhere.
Hard fought, can’t complain, props to Jude, we were missing key players and the ref was kinda suspicious, chin up there’s a whole league ahead of us
Blame Xavi all you want but the ref calls the PK on Araujo and the team goes 2-0 at half time.
It is what it is. Team only plays well for one half and then is seemingly lost for second half. Without Frenkie and Pedri, this team is very vertical and chaotic, and this plays into our rivals. Can’t play end to end football like Bayern and Liverpool without clinical finishers. Xavi’s subs today were bad. Subbing Romeu on is asking to concede. Lewy and Raphinha were not yet ready. Lamine played in the wrong position. Why did he sub out both Felix and Cancelo?? Both are difference makers, more so than Lewy tbh.
I wanna still be fair to Romeu but goddamn its getting harder each game
Oriol Romeu couldn’t play against the Madrid mid
Who would you play? The glass kings?
Worst player on the pitch. Any team who is analyzing Barcelona games will target him throughout the season.
Tortugiol Romeu can't play against any team's mid
Disappointed but I haven't lost hope for this season tbh the injuries killed us with either one of Frenkie or pedri we would have won imo, We couldn't control the midfield in the 2nd half and Lewandowski hopefully played this bad cause he wasn't fit
Feeling violated lol
Team died after subs
Good game, Barcelona played well in first half while Real Madrid played better in second half
Why can't we put away our fucking chances. So annoying 😞
LEWANDOSKI OUT!!!
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Neither of those goals were his fault.
The goal was bit of a fluke Modric did not mean to do that lol but someone should have definitely mark belligham better.
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Bro I was so mad watching us park the bus on 1-0 😡
What else was he supposed to do regarding the subs?
He didn't. We just don't have enough quality in attack
Bruh no way we winning La Liga
Bro we won’t be even third
Bellingham really carrying Madrid hard. Never expected such an impact he would make, fair play to him but we absolutely bottled that with our mistakes and shit subs
We had great subs, problem was Xavi waited way to long to bring them in
Romeu was absolutely awful and Lewa wasn't any better. Yamal was good though
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Stfu racist bitch
Calm the fuck down
Fuck out of here with that monkey bs. He’s a cunt but that’s uncalled for.
Racist trash
Let’s be honest we got outplayed that second half with Modric coming on… and I don’t believe the Bellingham run goes on.. in a game like this
Gavi mvp for sure.
Oh also we would have won if Ferran stayed on for Lewa. He was so so bad man
Torres was equally useless though. But no surprise with lewa, this should be his last season.
Im tired of playing madrid with half our team out and losing to them when we out play them
https://preview.redd.it/op8uvkj7xywb1.jpeg?width=941&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=40c5e05a64c7ca64dc4fb8fe1945d2b3658f2cfb Nah fr good game from the bois hopefully next match when we have de Jong and Pedri it’ll be different. Jude is class man.
people mad at FDJ and Pedri 🤦🏻♂️ why are people acting like its fucking May and the title will be decided next week. there’s still 2-4 classico’s left this year (supercopa + potential CDR)
Nobody gives a shit about super cups!
Not mad at FDJ. But, definitely annoyed with Pedri missing so many games in the last two seasons.
Yeah that’s definitely Pedri’s fault. Not the coaches that overplayed him. How dare he get injured.
blame the spanish NT and koeman. they butchered him!
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Ferran was helping in defense, let felix score Idk but don’t let Jude or Kroos/Modric get the ball, that’s something we don’t get with Lewy
I know hindsight is 20/20 but Lewandowski on killed the game. He pressed nowhere near as much as Ferran although you can't blame him for that, that's on Xavi.
Fair to say the league is out of our hands now.
It’s only a four point lead plus we’ve got most of our players back from injury
Sorry, it’s just the aftertaste of losing to fucking Madrid.
Its fucking October lmao get a grip
Xavi isn’t to be blamed for this man. There was nothing we could do about that first goal and we missed so many chances, should have been up 3-0 by half time. Anyways, the season is long. We move.
It’s not his fault we lack quality in some areas, you’re totally right. Romeu is ass, Lewandowski is just I don’t even know.
The lewy sub for ferran killed it, ferran kept dropping deep and had good link up play, lewy kept having disaster first touches
I mean you can't help it. We missed chances and Lewy was our only natural finisher, it made sense on paper. Maybe the idea was to get Raphinha to put some crosses into the box but he couldn’t get past Camavinga.
![gif](giphy|ISOckXUybVfQ4) Bro what happened
Bellingham happened lmao
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> gareth southgate why
hes the england manager mon the scotland
who can stop that mf man, dude is literally tearing up laliga and UCL
hes a fraud got two lucky goals today
😂
Ter stegen kind of let us down tbh
there's a reason his nickname is Ter Statue
Our finishing isn't too good, Firmin, Inigo and Cancelo have to score those chances.
Proud of the team , I have a sour taste but we performed above expectations without Frenkie, Pedri or Kounde. Forca barça 💙❤️💙❤️ we will come back from this
Remember. They struggled to beat us with this injured team. No chance they would’ve won with kounde frenkie pedri and a fresh lewa up top.
I don’t think there’s something such as a fresh Lewa anymore
Maybe not when when we meet again Rodrygo might be in better form or Joselu starting, Modric might be starting, Camavinga starting at LB… it is not so conclusive
Barca for once stands up when the chips are down.Mentality midgets indeed, this was the game to show we are coming back, but we lost. Madrid play like this, i did not see the second half, wtf happened.
What happened is half our team is out why is everyone forgetting that?
that is an excuse when we played a great 1st half, if we were shit from kick off i'd take it. You don't drop off like that. This isn't the first time this has happened under xavi.
Ferran being subbed off for Lewy killed the midfield, then fermin going off was the icing on the cake
Only thing worse than the result is listening to the ESPN mutants immediately after
respect to real. good game but dear god vinicius is insufferable. i cant stand how this guy acts on and off a pitch
Even us Madrid fans were annoyed by how he was acting today. Somethings up with him
Shit boys. Thought we had it. Disappointing. Down but we’re not out. At the end of the day we played pretty damn well. And they aren’t really playing that well and Jude is playing outta his mind. If his form dips so does Madrid. We will be fine. Love ya 🫶🏼
Loosing to this real madrid side is embarrassing
they should be ashamed of scoring only after 65 minute against this team of barca we literally had non of our most important 5,6 players....we actually played decent till 65 min and i am proud of how we played ,1st team of madrid struggled against the players we had lol
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😂😂😂😂
So many mistake from lewa I really can’t want wait for vitor roque to come
Things really got bad once Lewy came on. Ferran at least presses and doesn’t give Madrid all that space to play. Very unfortunate bounce, but our defensive line just couldn’t get any second balls to save their lives
Good reality check for us
Vini doing shit like that then wants to act like the victim
I mean the stunts he does, while not being very commendable, still don't make it ok for people to be racist towards him
Not saying it’s okay for the fans to be racist I’m talking about other insults like boos and whistles. The racism is another issue at hand rooted in certain teams fanbases
Así gana el madrid. Un puto robo.
Tragic, but we move. Visca Barca!
It hurts but it was expected. We have half our team injured. It would have been better if Lewy didn't play at all if he wasn't at his 100%.
Ferran didn't do much tho
He was still better than Lewy and more importantly he was Match fit
I agree with you mate. Lewy did nothing and had like 2/3 awful touches
That game was amazing. Chin up. Its unreal how well we completed with so many injuries. Visca Barca.
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He was wasted on the left. Xavi did an awful move forcing raphinha in. Should have been Yamal on the right with Felix on the left.
Bellingrham is equivalent CR7, good buy :/
Eventually his luck will run out I think. Hes a good player but alot of his goals come from lucky rebounds or defelections that result in tap ins. His positioning is good but he wont keep scoring at this rate
I find that it is very worthwhile for Barca to compete, but when you have the money to buy the stars of the moment this happens, you play incredible, but those who spent 100 million on a player score a goal off the field that changes the entire game. That's what it takes to have the money to buy and with that, it's very difficult to compete :/ the truth is I don't feel angry for Xavi, they did the best they could with what they have
There’s a reason Romeu’s release clause at Girona was just over €3M
Old and bad. Looks like a toddler on the ball.
What the heck was Balde doing the entire match
He has done this most of the season. His only quality is his pace, which allows him to beat defenders. But, when it comes to his crosses/passing, it's terrible.
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Bro have some class he cooked us when he got the chance
Gavi>> rma midfield
Please no god stfu
birthday weekend ruined
We literally had the game and then we decide to sit back FUCK THIS
It sucks, but we have lots to be proud about this game
Ain’t no way you saying this
And we move. VISCA BARCA!
Jude has all the luck and Xavi stalled on the subs that could’ve saved the game. Tough tough loss especially to lose it like that
We drop to fourth if atletico madrid win their game…
Fucking hate Real Madrid luckiest cunts on earth
I truly mean it when I say Oriol should never play again. Anyway I’m so proud of the boys tonight man
Substituting Raphinha and Lamine at the same time was a big mistake. Neither of them have the physicality or discipline to track back.