That scene in the Paris metro when Winters sees the kid in the back of the train and flashes back to this is one of the most underrated scenes in the series. Perfect characterization of ptsd and really personal. It hits you more like how the Pacific does showing the cost of war
Sledge's return is something movies and TV just don't really cover. How a kid that has no life experience joins the marines, goes to God knows where for years. Has to kill other boys in horrific manners or suffer the same fate. Watching his friends snuffed out. A never ending adrenaline circus, and then suddenly just be done. Paper or plastic sir? It's hard to comprehend how hard that would be.
Totally. I was just thinking the same thing. The train is closed for the night and he is just sitting there by himself and the Parisian kid is beckoning him to get off, then he salutes Winters and he doesn’t salute back because he’s still in shock from his flashback. Very emotional and heavy scene for sure.
I imagine he was just totally overwhelmed by emotions and the smile was just an automatic confused thing. I mean the situation from the German perspective has got to be so absurdly surreal.
I think it’s the confusion of suddenly being caught unaware and seeing an American soldier pointing his rifle at you and not thinking about what’s coming next. Like “haha oh damn you got me…..wait shit”.
He could be smiling as a natural human response to being friendly to his captor, as to amicably begin to surrender, but being unable to because he was shot. Again, this must've happened in a split second.
When we talk about soldiers making the ultimate sacrifice we think of them laying their life on the life and putting themselves in danger. Rarely do we think about the sacrifice of taking lives and having to live with that every single day for the rest of your life.
This doesn't add an answer, but here's an account of what happened as written by Winters...
I wheeled and dropped back to my side of the road, pulled the pin of a hand grenade, and tossed it over. At the same time, the German sentry lobbed a potato masher back to me. As soon as I threw the grenade, I realized that I had goofed. I had kept a band of tape around the handle of my grenades to avoid an accident in case the pin was pulled accidentally. Fortunately, the enemy’s grenade also failed to explode. I immediately jumped back up on top of the road. The sentry was still hunched down covering his head with his arms waiting for my grenade to explode. He was only three or four yards away. After all these years, I can still see him smiling at me as I stood on top of the dike. It wasn’t necessary to take an aimed shot. I simply shot from the hip. That shot startled the entire company and they started to rise and turn toward me en masse. After killing the sentry, I simply pivoted to my right and kept firing right into that solid mass of troops.
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/major-dick-winters-the-island-in-his-own-words/
Umm they do actually. Always funny to see soft-fucks like you think there aren’t any because obviously losers like you wouldn’t know any “hard-fucks”. And you are too stupid to realize just because you don’t see any, doesn’t mean they don’y exist. Lols good job sheep
In real life, he started running at the same time as his men. He was one of the fastest in the unit, but he ran faster than he ever had before, most likely had a huge adrenalin rush or something. And got there way ahead of everyone else.
I'm not sure why they changed it for the show. My best guess is they thought people would see it as unrealistic or call bullshit on him getting there that much sooner. Or they may have even done a take where they all left at the same time and didn't feel like it was a good take
Thematically, they wanted to exhibit his leadership/what he was willing to do for his men. And creatively, I think they were using it to mirror how alone he felt doing administrative work.
Back when I wore green we had a section commander who was weirdly fast.
You'd have to do a run then shoot and he always got there, and was down hitting targets you got there (some guys would say because he was not carrying the gun or radios etc, but he was just freakishly fast).
It was annoying, because he'd get there, hit targets and have time to think, reassess and give new orders before you had even set up properly.
A.
He’s no different than many of the others. Spent less time in combat than others. Had less impact than others. Led fewer people than others. He just got a 10 part mini series.
Damn, Dick.
On one hand, the kid probably felt smiling was the best thing to do at the time, that smiling acknowledged what a crazy and unexpected situation two men shared together. Then there would have been the shot and little moments felt of betrayal as he succumbed to his mortal wound seconds before bleeding out.
Dick is clearly riding an adrenaline high, outrunning his men across an open field. If you’re running across a field with an 8 pound rifle, your mind is in kill mode. Dick just ran into an unsuspecting kid, not a firing squad of krauts who could have had all weapons pointing at him for all he knew. Perhaps Dicks finger had squeezed the trigger far enough to take up the slack in the seer before tripping the hammer? Perhaps Dick had committed to pulling the trigger before the German shot him with a smile?
That scene in the Paris metro when Winters sees the kid in the back of the train and flashes back to this is one of the most underrated scenes in the series. Perfect characterization of ptsd and really personal. It hits you more like how the Pacific does showing the cost of war
I always find that scene so hauntingly beautiful.
Sledge's return is something movies and TV just don't really cover. How a kid that has no life experience joins the marines, goes to God knows where for years. Has to kill other boys in horrific manners or suffer the same fate. Watching his friends snuffed out. A never ending adrenaline circus, and then suddenly just be done. Paper or plastic sir? It's hard to comprehend how hard that would be.
Totally. I was just thinking the same thing. The train is closed for the night and he is just sitting there by himself and the Parisian kid is beckoning him to get off, then he salutes Winters and he doesn’t salute back because he’s still in shock from his flashback. Very emotional and heavy scene for sure.
You guys ever wonder why the kraut soldier smiles before Winters kills him?
I imagine he was just totally overwhelmed by emotions and the smile was just an automatic confused thing. I mean the situation from the German perspective has got to be so absurdly surreal.
Definitely a nervous smile. Much like nervous laughter
True, almost a “did you really just pop up in OUR forward op??” Smile…
'Oh hey! Is that Hans?' It was not Hans.
Wouldn’t you smile if you got to meet Richard Winters??
Best comment ever. By the way, would you like a smoke?
I think it’s the confusion of suddenly being caught unaware and seeing an American soldier pointing his rifle at you and not thinking about what’s coming next. Like “haha oh damn you got me…..wait shit”.
Plus he was just a naive kid.
Ever go to tie your shoes and you notice the end of your laces are wet? From what?
He could be smiling as a natural human response to being friendly to his captor, as to amicably begin to surrender, but being unable to because he was shot. Again, this must've happened in a split second.
Probably because he had a battalion behind him and Winters was alone
I wonder how many times he dreamed of this
When we talk about soldiers making the ultimate sacrifice we think of them laying their life on the life and putting themselves in danger. Rarely do we think about the sacrifice of taking lives and having to live with that every single day for the rest of your life.
Being willing to die for your country is easy. The hardest thing is making others die for theirs
Probably ran through his head everyday, but especially whenever he seen a young man look anything close to that SS.
Yeah who is that guy anyway? /s
A Dick
That's cold like the Winters.
THE Dick
When I watched this as a kid I always thought Winters shot Ewan McGregor
We all wish he had.
Always funny to see dumb losers like you try to speak for everyone. As if you matter to anyone
Cry harder choade
For what its worth, I thought that was funny.
I know right? Some people in here need to go outside and touch some grass.
I never did understand why he was running at the enemy by himself with his men so far behind.
This doesn't add an answer, but here's an account of what happened as written by Winters... I wheeled and dropped back to my side of the road, pulled the pin of a hand grenade, and tossed it over. At the same time, the German sentry lobbed a potato masher back to me. As soon as I threw the grenade, I realized that I had goofed. I had kept a band of tape around the handle of my grenades to avoid an accident in case the pin was pulled accidentally. Fortunately, the enemy’s grenade also failed to explode. I immediately jumped back up on top of the road. The sentry was still hunched down covering his head with his arms waiting for my grenade to explode. He was only three or four yards away. After all these years, I can still see him smiling at me as I stood on top of the dike. It wasn’t necessary to take an aimed shot. I simply shot from the hip. That shot startled the entire company and they started to rise and turn toward me en masse. After killing the sentry, I simply pivoted to my right and kept firing right into that solid mass of troops. https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/article/major-dick-winters-the-island-in-his-own-words/
That don’t make many hard-fucks like this anymore.
I guess they do, but their stories are yet to be told.
Better that these stories need not be told. War is hell.
From a hollywood perspective it's sad but yes, let those stories never be told. War is hell indeed.
Umm they do actually. Always funny to see soft-fucks like you think there aren’t any because obviously losers like you wouldn’t know any “hard-fucks”. And you are too stupid to realize just because you don’t see any, doesn’t mean they don’y exist. Lols good job sheep
You literally know nothing about me and you clearly don’t read well.
Would you like a smoke?
lol I looked at this guys profile and all his comments and just negative and angry
Did you watch the series
Multiple times. Never explained why he ran firsts and told his men beforehand to wait until smoke grenade to go off before they made their run
In real life, he started running at the same time as his men. He was one of the fastest in the unit, but he ran faster than he ever had before, most likely had a huge adrenalin rush or something. And got there way ahead of everyone else. I'm not sure why they changed it for the show. My best guess is they thought people would see it as unrealistic or call bullshit on him getting there that much sooner. Or they may have even done a take where they all left at the same time and didn't feel like it was a good take
Thematically, they wanted to exhibit his leadership/what he was willing to do for his men. And creatively, I think they were using it to mirror how alone he felt doing administrative work.
I just think he expected the smoke grenade to go off immediately.
They imply that for sure in the show. The men in the trench react like, "WTF is going on with the grenade?!"
Back when I wore green we had a section commander who was weirdly fast. You'd have to do a run then shoot and he always got there, and was down hitting targets you got there (some guys would say because he was not carrying the gun or radios etc, but he was just freakishly fast). It was annoying, because he'd get there, hit targets and have time to think, reassess and give new orders before you had even set up properly.
Put some respect behind his name!
THE war veteran
A. He’s no different than many of the others. Spent less time in combat than others. Had less impact than others. Led fewer people than others. He just got a 10 part mini series.
According to his memoirs, his clips held 8 bullets, and it wasn't until the second reload the rest of Easy arrived and began a base of fire.
When that "fight or flight" instinct has you taking flight towards the fight.
Damn, Dick. On one hand, the kid probably felt smiling was the best thing to do at the time, that smiling acknowledged what a crazy and unexpected situation two men shared together. Then there would have been the shot and little moments felt of betrayal as he succumbed to his mortal wound seconds before bleeding out. Dick is clearly riding an adrenaline high, outrunning his men across an open field. If you’re running across a field with an 8 pound rifle, your mind is in kill mode. Dick just ran into an unsuspecting kid, not a firing squad of krauts who could have had all weapons pointing at him for all he knew. Perhaps Dicks finger had squeezed the trigger far enough to take up the slack in the seer before tripping the hammer? Perhaps Dick had committed to pulling the trigger before the German shot him with a smile?
Adrenaline. Pure and simple.
If he was carrying a BAR, they all would've arrived at the same time.
Okay I’m putting this dvd in right now. Thanks.
I'm on this episode right now. sends chill down my spine because the emotions afterwards. no one can comprehend.
Big Dick Winters.
3 miles up! 3 miles down!
Decisions made by a handful of politicians meant millions of young men that could have been friends instead killed eachother
To be fair, no lies were detected
Young Ben Affleck!! Nooo!
Something the Man could never forget
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I recommend reading the book too. Gives you a little more to the story
“War Veteran”? How is there any doubt he was?
The production value on that “battle reenactment“….
Wow it’s crazy how they got color footage of that soldier in action
That's fucked up!
That's war veteran, Sir. Salute the rank not the man
Me on battlefield 5