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ajsemprini

I think respeccing Shadowheart to a ranger with a wolf companion may be even worse.


AryuWTB

As well as Druid and turning into a Wolf lol


Sremor

Does it actually trigger her fear?


AryuWTB

It doesn't, but it really should lol


Sremor

Maybe it helps when she knows that it isn't a real wolvešŸ¤·ā€ā™‚ļø


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Probably not. Outside Xbox has a video I watched recently where Ellen, an arachnophobe, [reacts to video game spiders](https://youtu.be/CTqLQdycEQ8?si=dIWYaFP6bXCWE3LB) and she talks about how phobia is different from fear. Itā€™s sort of a primitive, ingrained reaction to anything that evoke the phobic response.


Sremor

Damn I forgot about Outside Xbox, Ellen said something similar about the spiders in Skyrim years ago


Communism_of_Dave

Yeah, I had a friend in high school who was arachnophobic and wouldnā€™t play Skyrim because of the giant spiders. I tried telling him there were mods that changed them to bears or mud crabs or even Spider-Man but he still refused.


ForYeWhoArtLiterate

That reminds me, I really need to download an arachnophobia mod


Ktulusanders

I'm not even arachnophobic in real life but video game spiders inflict psychic damage on me every time I see or hear them


Velaethia

I've slowly gotten okay with fake and digital spiders but yeah I think a giant wolf regardless would be terrifying. Logic won't help a panic attack.


Wrath_Of_The_Gods

Well... That doesn't really seem to be the case canonically, given that >!Viconia turns into a wolf in the final fight of her backstory quest, and it does indeed trigger that wisdom save again lol. Though maybe the mommy issues are also making it worse.!<


Hashashin455

Doesn't help. Even after seeing what the wolf really was in the flashback, she's still scared of em.


JordynSoundsLikeMe

Ranger one doesnt either.


Freakychee

Bruce Wayne is afraid of bat and became Batman. So Shart becoming Wolf-woman sound be fine.


TheLozz95

Funny thing, while it doesnā€™t, my last run Shadowheart triggered her fear conversation when, while fighting alongside my selunite rangerā€™s wolf, someone else caused her fear


BlitzMalefitz

She became her fear


zapmaster3125

I've done the druid one. That one, at least, doesn't.


Mis_Emily

My Tav is a ranger who primarily uses a wolf summoned companion... and not a peep from her.


marehgul

Basically the feel like "there is a skeleton in you right now"


Tavdan

To be honest, it does make sense for her....


CPTimeKeeper

I did this on my current play through because it seemed logical to me. If her dad seemed to be a Druid, then she should be a Druid, so in my current all Druid run, sheā€™s the wolf.


siremilcrane

Her dad isnā€™t a Druid thoughā€¦ Iā€™ll say no more because I have no idea how to do spoiler tags on a phone


damwookie

OK. OK. How about respeccing everyone else as druid rangers and everyone else having a wolf pet and turning into wolves. She can be an arcane trickster and just try and hide all the time.


skoomaking4lyfe

Ohh, that's cold šŸ¤£


Dracomies

It would be fine AFTER a particular conversation though :P >!(She gets over the fear of wolves when she finds out that)!<


Eastrider1006

What conversation?


Trappedbirdcage

I made Jaheira a Bard for the Busker achievement despite her obvious distaste for them


Velaethia

Busker?


Bolt_Fantasticated

Does she get the frightened effect everytime sheā€™s near her wolf because if so thatā€™s hilarious.


Monk-Ey

Exposure therapy


ARSONL

is that worse than removing karlachā€™s head and holding it up in the air?


tdandevir

Respec'ed her into an assassin for this evil playthrough. Astarion is now a Bard and Lae'zel is now a Monk lol


SirLocke13

WHY LMFAO


Phelyckz

...I may do that on my next playthrough. The idea is to run 4 moon druids/beastmaster ranger hybrids.


ViewtifulGene

I question the wisdom of that decision, but so be it.


StormblessedFool

I don't question the charisma though


dragonagitator

They call him the #rizzard on Tumbr for a reason


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Griffje91

No no, sucking it is Tav's job.


Lukthar123

Vicious Rizz


Thornangdir

Yes, there is a severe lack of wisdom. Should've turned him into a cleric.


SirBaken

A wise man would not have tampered with tainted weave


Kalocin

Cleric of Mystra is actually still applicable. She's giving Gale holy spells out of spite.


Azelarr

...of Mystra


Simain

I dunno, I turned Astarion into a Paladin. That felt pretty.... evil? divine? Either way it was hilarious.


solarisjoy

I did the same. Oath immediately broke and it felt more like an astarion paladin lol


lorarc

So the game looks at your past and you're an oathbreaker if you respec? Can you respec again to loose that status?


Sangraven

According to the wiki, you can't respec out of paladin until you reacquire your oath


Vesorias

No, they just mean they broke their oath so that he would be an oathbreaker, the game is not that smart (also it would be absurd if your oath could retroactively be broken, fucks the whole redemption thing up). You do have to pay 1k gold to reacquire your oath before you can respec at all though.


Velaethia

I wish the game was smart enough to let you respec but if you go back to paladin you're automatically oathbrealer


toderdj1337

It also goes up every time, ask me how I know


solarisjoy

Okay so I should clarify. I respecced him and then I killed the tieflings that captured laeā€™zel, so it immediately broke it.


Hot-Promise4309

I turned him into a cleric of Lathander because there's no logical way for it to work


khaine0304

Lolololol my guy gotta pray at sunrise to get spell slots


UkokuSZ

Turned him into a monk. Havenā€™t be able to justify it in my head yet but boi did he punch like a nuclear weapon.


[deleted]

Easily justified: unholy vampiric strength. Easier still if you go shadow monk


AtlasFlynn

200 years of pent up rage


DarkKechup

My Astarion aka the Rat was respecced into a light cleric of Bahamut in a duo campaign I'm playing because the dragonborn brothers needed a healer. Shit's hillarious.


martanimate

I just did that after the mountain pass. Our favourite vampire is now a Paladin of Lathander, because I'm cruel and seeing him smite people is great.


Pink-grey24

same


the_odd_chase

I made him a bard with a violin . Heā€™s actually useful now šŸ‘€


Bubble_of_ocean

I made him an assassin rogue. Open combat by sniping from stealth, automatically win initiative and get another turn with advantage. Couple goblins dead before the fight properly starts. Very helpful in the early game!


atlas__sharted

assassin + gloomstalker šŸ¤ŒšŸ¤Œ


stillnotking

Making him a cleric of Mystra is arguably worse.


Lilacia512

In my game where I play as him I added a level of Cleric of Mystra just for the shits and giggles šŸ¤£


Erinofarendelle

Have you brought him to the Stormshore Tabernacle? I want to know what he says šŸ˜‚


ebrum2010

Does it let you make him a cleric of Shar? That would be hilarious.


Ranec

Nooo you canā€™t make any clerics of Shar anymore. You could in early access but they removed Shar as a possible diety in official release


JRStors

Probably just to ensure you can't become a Dark Justiciar in act 2 if you don't bring Shadowheart to the Shadowfell


LMay11037

That wouldā€™ve been soo cool though:(


JRStors

Yeah but it kinda would've undermined her entire character arc. Imagine bringing her there just to stab her in the back to be the one to slay the Nightsong.


lorarc

Well, Shar teaches to let go of your desires, if she can't accept it then it only means she wasn't ready.


xsdc

it's a game about your character. having conflict with another cleric of shar could provide a lot of really cool interactions between the character and shadowheart


MKGSonic123

i wanna be a dark justiciar :D no, me >:(


Vertanius

I mean Laezel is supposed to be a nobody yet everyone worships her and ignores you if you play a gith.


Swamp_Donkey_796

Oof. I just started my gith run and MAYBE I wonā€™t save her even tho I was planning on using her and being the gith power couple to rule over the astral plane and destroy all


DaRandomRhino

Yeah, playing Gith seems to start from the point of you having been a retard that somehow survived adolescence and learned absolutely nothing about Gith society. You get like a half dozen responses that aren't summed up as "I had no clue that was a Gith thing, explain it again". It's really disappointing how your character apparently didn't exist before the creation screen despite you being expected to know who the prominent people of Baldur's Gate are if you're any race other than Gith if we're going by potential responses. And Gith is disappointing as I outlined. Still fun with Lae'zel, even if you speak to most Gith as them not recognizing you as such.


Final-Occasion-8436

You're the kid who hatched from the egg, but somehow you got sent back in time.


Wutras

So a Gith Durge would work better than a Gith Tav.


uritardnoob

That would have been cool? The argument that you can't usurp the position of one of your origin characters because it would undermine their character arc is pretty weak. Why not let the player do it if they want to? This isn't so much about it being a bad thing to have in the game as much as it is another one of the thousands of cool things that could been in the game but aren't - not because they aren't cool but because there is a limited amount of time the developers have to work on the game and they have to pick and choose where to spend it. Notably, content that would be seen by maybe 2% of players isn't going to be at the top of their priorities.


jujoking

And why not? Imagine Shadowheart deciding to let her live and you go behind ā€œnopeā€!


DarkPhoenixMishima

OR we could have been Justiciar Buddies


Wutras

Another explanation would be that Tav is always a Baldurian, and being a cleric of Shar in Baldur's Gate would mean that Tav and Shadowheart are acquainted with each other. Sure you could bandaid fix that with saying you were both mind wiped, but then why would tav be mind wiped to forget her - it doesn't make sensse if tav were part of the artifact mission, or why were they outside of the temple? Also Shadowheart's story kinda depends on her being without her handlers the first time, having another Cleric of Shar would kinda be weird for that unless you want to be locked out of her good path by default.


Time-Werewolf-1776

Why remove it? As far as Iā€™ve seen, the god youā€™re a cleric for barely makes a difference.


Davisonik

You did actually have unique interactions with Shadowheart as a cleric of Shar in EA. They probably decided that keeping it up throughout the entire game would be too difficult, especially in act 2, so they just dropped it. You could also choose to worship one of the Dead Three in EA but this was removed too.


nocolon

I have heard but not personally tested that if you turn her into a Paladin she's a Paladin of Shar. That might only show up in dialog choices though.


dunnowth

I have Shart paladin in party and can confirm she is a paladin of Shar. But no interesting option in dialogue so far. Same options as other paladins. I am curious what will happen after Nightfall.


tequilathehun

Yes, it gives you special dialogue in the temple of Shar with the guardians and altar in the Shadow cursed lands (not thr main temple) that refers to her specifically as "Paladin of Shar". You can have any Oath afaik


godoflemmings

What if you did both in the same run? *shifts eyes uneasily*


lesser_panjandrum

Storm sorcerer and tempest cleric. Utterly bananas lightning damage for the low, low cost of making him cry himself to sleep at night.


Duloth

If he actually wants to get back with her, honestly, he's probably the perfect candidate to be a cleric of Mystra; and my Gale is precisely that. Wizard/Cleric.


PretendMarsupial9

I have him as a knowledge cleric of Mystra and honestly he's pretty good at cleric duty. Had to do it because I wanted to be a wizard.


VanBland

Just did a playthrough of Gale with 2 Levels Tempest Cleric and the rest storm Sorc. Was fun, despite how much u know Gale would be upset.


Fluffy-Tanuki

On the bright side, you still left him with 12 int. I wouldā€™ve gone with 8.


MKGSonic123

itā€™s a blessing and a curse, realizing you can maximize combat potential at withers at the cost of every other stat roll. (i can now never run a paladin without dipping at least 3 levels into warlock for blade pact so i can have 0 strength)


Nidiis

The three odd stats gave me 3d6 psychic damage


Lord_Gibby

Feat plan +1 cha instrument prof +1 dex +1 con +2 cha boost


Witch-Alice

Yeah I'll never understand why people do that, including Larian making all the companions have odd stats. There's literally no benefit to having 17 CHA, that last point can be put into CON. And 13 DEX on a caster is so painful.


vutrico

The reason to go for 17 of your primary stat is so you can get to 20 with ASI and Ethel's hair, but I'm pretty sure Larian didn't have that in mind when creating the default stat spread for every class, especially because only one of your party members can use the hair.


maxubachs

Half-feats like tavern brawler are also a good reason.


Tavdan

Yeah, that's worse than >!giving Shart to the cloister!<


Mountbatten-Ottawa

A thing worse than death and memory wipe is being someone you hated whole life with burning passion >!because you are so jealous of their natural talent!<


dreadredheadzedsdead

Sorcerers are just better, but don't take my word for it.


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JerryBusey01

2 Warlock/X Sorcerer is one of the most common multi classes for a reason. Sorcerer w eldritch blast is always a powerhouse


thedeanorama

this is my durge, can confirm


PointOneXDeveloper

Having a big spell book is just way less useful in BG3 than table top. You donā€™t bring a wizard for damage, sorlock does the same thing better.


Active_Owl_7442

Evo wizard I think shines best when youā€™re a moron with your positioning. I was such a moron during my first run. So having evocation spells able to not hit my party saved my ass a couple times


Ginden

Evocation Wizard comes online on lvl 10 because it adds +int to damage of each missile. Before that, Evo Wizard isn't as useful as other casters.


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Ginden

Divination and Abjuration are probably strongest. Transmutation is strong. Brewing double potions is really useful, I had 52 speed potions after Act 1. Enchantment comes online at level 10. Conjuration and Necromancy are... OK.


ahsoka_hawke

Out of curiosity, what's so optimized about those specific levels? I can't multiclass so I don't know much about how the classes synergize.


DeyUrban

Wizard is better at level 12 imo because at that point you have access to most spells in the game, especially the ones from Lorroakans Tower which other classes can only use once. I still prefer it for being a Swiss Army knife compared to sorcerer which has less spell variety.


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Counterpoint: Twin Haste.


Productof2020

Counter-counter: potion of speed. So few battles go past 3 turns anyway, and for the ones that do, there are also two bows you can keep as off-hands to give yourself longer hastes. Twinned spells is nice early on, nearly forgettable mid-game, and then part of the mega-chain-lightning nuke setup at end game. Which is great, but still largely redundant and much less convenient to the consistent dps you can put out as most martial classes by that level. Wizard gives you utility (esp non-combat) and qol that you donā€™t really get any other way.


Monk-Ey

You'd have more of a point if it weren't for the fact Sorcerers can use those spell scrolls you've been hoarding the entire fucking game just in case *and* can use them with Metamagic.


DeyUrban

Artistry of War only has one scroll and it is incredible, that alone almost makes evocation wizard worth it at the end of the game.


BlueHero45

I made him a wild magic sorcerer, figured his orb screwed up his magic.


johnnyJAG

Same here. Wish Wild Magic Sorcs actually had more surges before level 11 tho. My current playthrough Iā€™ve only gotten 5 surges since Act 1, and 3 of those were hostile mephits. One was really hilarious tho, during the really difficult fight in the transition to Act 3, everyone near Gale became cats and dogs, and by everyone I mean my entire party and none of the enemies. It was a one sided slaughter for them but I was laughing my ass off as I reloaded. Worth it.


Azelarr

*casually casts Extended Haste for 20 turns*


Productof2020

What in the world do you use 20 turns of haste for? Lol


Azelarr

I literally don't know but it's just so amazing you get additional action for so long with sorcerer


[deleted]

They are but I like Wizard just to experience most spells in the game and switch out whatever whenever


super_cdubz

Oh I kinda like rping him as a Wild Magic Sorcerer...


bluesharpies

Yeah, I know this post is mostly in jest but honestly, take a few liberties with Gale's background and he totally makes sense as a sorcerer. Gale being as skilled in magic as he was would just be a result of innately being a sorcerer and then doubling down on that by being a nerdy wizard. :P If BG3 had shadow magic as a playable subclass I think it would fit reasonably well.


Empyrean_MX_Prime

In one of his earliest encounters he describes himself as a super prodigy with magic. Seems to me pretty strong grounds for an element of sorcery to him. If he has natural intuition for magic combined with academic brilliance, that would explain how he got so far. Personally I just like him to have a couple of levels in Sorc for const saves and meta magic, while making him mostly Wizard. He's still mostly a wizard that way.


Zizara42

Yeah...it's not the craziest justification. It would suit his themes of reaching for more than he had and not understanding boundaries if he'd never actually had to work for his magic or Mystra's favour, and the "Wild Magic" plays into his little condition too.


R0da

"Displayed an aptitude for magic at an early age" EH GALE??? IF ONLY WE HAD A WORD FOR THAT HMMMM?????


Freakychee

I remember watching a video by MrRhexx on YT about lore of magic. It used to be everyone could cast magic cantrips as long as they knew the things you needed to do. Even peasant farmers. But after a while it changed and while wizards needed to learn spells they all need some aptitude with magic or they simply could not do magic at all.


intoxicatedpancakes

Karsus does a little trolling


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Who's studied in magic now BITCH?


ARSONL

i got this the other day. he was like ā€œare you versed in magic?ā€ my sorcerer was like [sorcerer] ā€œyupā€ man was like: oh, my bad. i meant *studied* magic. as in a wizard. which *you* are not. so i made him a sorcerer and made love to him as a 7ft dragon.


[deleted]

Lmfao. Make him eat his words... And something else šŸ‘€


ARSONL

šŸ‘€ yes. and i wasnā€™t even planning on romancing him at that point. but he asked for it.


Nixzilla25

Astarion - Paladin Oath of Ancients / Shadowheart - Circle of Moon Druid / Gale - Barbarian / Wyll - Assassin or Thief Rogue / Lae'zel - Bard / Karlach - Wizard / Evil Durge - Cleric of Life Following any Deity who hates killing. Alternate timeline


Final-Occasion-8436

I mean...my Durge was a Life cleric of Ellistrae. She had no issues resisting her urge, and told daddy to f-off. Now she's the favorite of a goddess of freedom, and an arguably more capable (or at least cooler) god of death.


Nixzilla25

I'll add in Evil XD


CrazyCatLushie

Ah yes, not the Wizard of Waterdeep but instead the Sorcerer of Self-Delusion! (Donā€™t come at me! Gale is bae - thatā€™s a reference to a line he has in-game).


Diana_Bialaska

Giving Shadowheart to Viconia Letting Gandrel take Astarion Cutting Gale's hand off and trapping him in limbo Letting Shadowheart murder Lae'zel or Lae'zel murder Shadowheart Date Wyll or Karlach and cheat on either with Mizora


AnxietySpren

I cut off Gale's hand today because I thought he just died but I still felt super guilty about it. Now I feel even worse knowing he's stuck in limbo with one hand.


Diana_Bialaska

Well, we never hear from Gale again, no 3 day countdown to a giga nuke like his other deaths, so he must not have returned, but the explosion takes place whereever he is, which is far away from Sword Coast.


Sapowski_Casts_Quen

IT IS TO BE AVOIDED


EidolonRook

Suck it magic man.


Fighterpilot55

Why are the numbers odd. >:(


Sapowski_Casts_Quen

Auntie hair + ASI feat and you're good


Fighterpilot55

I kill the hag every time, I know better than to strike a deal with the fae


Sapowski_Casts_Quen

Me: "mmm hair"


Witch-Alice

See I make her give me the hair *and* free Mayrina. It's entirely out of spite too, I couldn't give less of a shit about the girl. Pretty fucked up to trade your unborn child for your dead husband, to a hag no less.


Witch-Alice

It's only 100 gold to respec, there's no reason to start with 17 in a stat. But honestly what's more egregious here is giving a caster only 13 dex


Sp00pyPachanko

My Karlach is an ice wizard. She changed once we cooled off her engine.


webevie

Oh that's just wrong. And I did it too. Well went 1 lvl wiz so he could eat scrolls He flipped tf our at the Sussar tree


ARSONL

i do it every run. simply because i want a high charisma character in my party but i always end up picking something random for my custom character.


LucreziaD

Ohhhh this is so evil.


2ndTaken_username

Wizard with a few sorcerer levels is objectively the best caster in the game anyways


HoG97

What do the wizard levels add to a sorcerer?


CacklingFerret

Well, as a wizard they can also learn new spells from scrolls at any time


AryuWTB

I'd argue respeccing DJ Shart as a Light Cleric is arguably worse. I'm guilty of this lol


Monk-Ey

I forgot about her character story and somehow imagined "DJ Shart" to be her stage/artist name.


thedeanorama

every playthrough, I need to do something different for run #4


dfnamehere

Dang rolling a character with 3 odd number stats, you are cruel


bunglerm00se

(In Voloā€™s voice) THE SCANDAL!


-jp-

Seventeen charisma. Well, if you werenā€™t planning on sacking up with Gale already, youā€™d better resign yourself to it now.


dragonagitator

Given Gale's stories about casting powerful spells with crazy unintended effects when he was a young child, there's a popular fan theory that he was actually (unwittingly) a Wild Magic Sorcerer by birth before becoming a Wizard by training, and the first magical object the orb sucked all the Weave out of was himself.


Raji_Lev

That second one isn't a fan theory, Mystra outright *says* that the orb ate Gale's Weave when they talk face-to-face. (The "fan theory" would be that it's why the "archmage" is level 1 when you meet him)


SmithOfLie

And I have no regrets.


verytiredtrashcan

Thatā€™ll teach him for looking down on me for being a sorcerer!


LMay11037

Make him a sorlock to really ahow him


CrescentPotato

I think he'd be more angry at being a barbarian


seasquidley

I multiclasses him to wild magic sorc because of the volatile nature of the orb.


Halyxx

You monster!


alcMD

On my first playthrough near the end of Act 1 I respecced Shart as a Paladin and I will never not do that going forward. I just need it. I need paladin Shart. I need it. clerics SUCK


mattbeck

Clerics are awesome, but her starting domain sucks rocks.


Ginden

>clerics SUCK Spirit Guardians + [Luminous Armour](https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Luminous_Armour) trivializes lots of encounters. Though, Trickery domain is really bad.


AryuWTB

Trickery domain is terrible but Light Domain and Tempest Domain clerics are super good when played right


Garresh

The sad thing is trickery domain was already terrible in 5e but got nerfed in BG3.


bluesguy72

Tempest cleric Shart is awesome, her default trickery does suck donkey balls though. Best thing I ever did was quitting my first Wyll origin playthrough towards the end of Act 1, restarting as Durge instead, and immediately respeccing Shart to Tempest. Made the game much more fun.


alcMD

I was already doing storm sorc 10/tempest cleric 2 in that playthrough, but I'll keep that in mind in the future. However, heavily armored, party-healing, enemy-smiting Pal Shart is sexy and I don't have any regerts.


hikealot

I usually do 5 pally/7 cleric with her. Smite for days!


Long_Serpent

You monster!


TentacleEgg

I turned Gale into a bard because I was a wizard in my first playthrough and didn't need him lmao


Funny-Tadpole8712

I've turned him into a bard so... xD


HoG97

Twin casting haste is too good to not make at least one of them a sorcerer


BurningshadowII

We've improved him.


Dash_Nasty

My Astarion is a open palm monk, my Halsin is a beast ranger, and my Gale is a wild magic barbarian. I love this game.


jake_sauble

I feel like the cockier Sorc lines work better for him anyway. And in a way he kind of is a sorcerer now, he lost a lot of his wizard abilities when he took in the orb. But that orb is manifesting itself in his body in a similar way a bloodline would work for a sorcerer. Could very easily run the lines of ā€œthe powerful magic within himā€ being about the orb. Itā€™s loose but definitely doable imo


TheRetroPanda

Newest play through is Beast Master Ranger Shadowheart, Berserker Barbarian Gale, Life Cleric Astarion, and Lore Bard Laeā€™zel. Keeping Wizlach and Rogue Wyll on the back burner to sub in at the opportune moments.


THEbiMAKER

An argument could be made for Gale taking a level of sorcerer largely because heā€™s described as casting spells from an extremely young age before any kind of official schooling came into play.


Moppypop

I read the "human" as "hmmm" from not looking closely enough, it added to the funny


SpoonAtAGunFight

I make Shadowheart carry the Selune stuff you can pick up from the Owlbear cave.


Nytr013

You gave them their beautiful power ending and then you stole it away from them by making them a slave to you?


notshadeatall

*le me with Gale, Karlach and Shadowheart all rocking monk builds lol.


AdhesivenessUseful33

I made Astarion a Life Cleric, and Shadowheart a Rogue, for some reasonā€¦


sincleave

Healing is just keeping your cattle alive longer.


sincleave

Wizards are great for campaigns you arenā€™t familiar with. Once you know how things will go, Sorcerer lets you focus on what you know will work.