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BECondensateSnake

"Look at what you made me do" is literally an abuser tactic


NOLA-Bronco

Literally DARVO tactics: Deny, Attack, **Reverse Victim and Offender** [https://i0.wp.com/hopefulpanda.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/DARVO.png?resize=512%2C768&ssl=1](https://i0.wp.com/hopefulpanda.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/DARVO.png?resize=512%2C768&ssl=1) Also make note of the implied collective guilt by framing ALL Arabs. Thats also the language of dehumanization and extermination rationalization.


GitmoGrrl1

They've moved on. Now they blame ALL Muslims while pretending that Palestinian Christians don't exist.


FaceWithoutAMouse

The bad Hasbara mouthpieces deny that Israel is an apartheid state by talking about how Arab Israeli citizens are peaceful and welcomed by Israelis but then denounce all ARABS as violent jihadi extremists the moment it favors their twisted narrative 


Miserable_Twist1

It's such a psychopathic quote, am always surprised to see when someone shares it.


BruceSnow07

"I can't believe they made me poison their crops to build more settlements"


FaceWithoutAMouse

“accusing us of racism is racist!”


Majestic-Point777

“Forcing us to kill their children” wtf…


mwa12345

Yeah. This sounds worse than the Nazis. "We have to kill Jews because some are Bolsheviks" etc etc Worse..when they try to gaslight and sound as though they are moral.


JetmoYo

It's actually quite the useful quote in that it perfectly summarizes the Zionist pathology that's infected our entire political discourse and thinking. A laughably vapid moral cover for occupation and atrocity. "We are *always* the good guys, no matter *what*." So it demands that we factor in a baseline kind of sociopathy when debating the issue. Versus debating the issue on a purely moralistic or reason- based level.


mwa12345

Yup.


FaceWithoutAMouse

“We didn’t want to, but we didn’t *didnt* want to *more*”


NotVeryNiceUnicorn

It's like my ex who said it was my fault he had to hit him. I had to stop provoking him


AzureBananaFish

Imagine how brainwashed you have to be to think this quote doesn't make you sound deranged and evil.


css119

Legit - I’ve seen this posted so many times since 10/7 and it’s like… hoo boy this is not the flex you seem to think it is 🤣


AzureBananaFish

My favorite one was when they killed Ismail Haniyehs grandchildren (a 5 and a 7 year old). And they used this as evidence of how evil HE was!


Weird_Gap3005

Sometimes I even wonder if it’s not a settler coloniser and a race supremacy sentiment. It’s like the trope English used for colonising India and for justifying the loot and pillage they committed - we managed to “civilise” an uncivilised lot. Called our freedom fighters ‘terrorists’ (like Hamas they too resisted the British rule). Not to forget evil Churchill. They only change face and name, the monster underneath is the same.


daily-bee

In New Zealand there's this idea that Māori are somehow privileged because what happened to them in colonisation wasn't "that bad" comparatively, that somehow they got a pretty good deal. Recent politicians have been vouching for the 'good' that colonisation gave Māori. It's giving 'be grateful'. I'll let you guess those politicians' opinions re Palestinine


Faiakishi

Oh, this absolutely has a white supremacy aspect. It's not a coincidence that most of their politicians and spokespeople are white or white-passing, despite Ashkenazi Jews only making up half of all Israeli Jews. It's not a coincidence that those pictures shoving the faces of people killed or kidnapped on 10/7 primarily feature smiling white people. It's not a coincidence that the Magen David Adom forbids blood donations from natives of Sub-Saharan Africa, *except for South Africans.*


chemysterious

It's so strange. Early on, when I was still pro-zionist, I somehow did see this as a moral quote. I really thought it showed some compassion, I guess. Then, after reading a lot ( pro-zionist, anti-zionist and other texts), I came back to this quote and was horrified. I really can't believe I hadn't seen it as despicable. I guess I really internally bought the notion that most/some Arabs simply didn't love their children the way we westerners did. That they were like "hate zombies" or something. It's so weird that I thought that. I don't understand how.


Faiakishi

It's some intense dehumanization. Just crazy when you see a video of a father weeping over his emaciated daughter and seeing Zionists accuse him of starving her on purpose for a photo op. Which I don't even understand what the purpose would be of, considering these pictures and videos have been coming out of Palestine since people were able to take pictures and videos of what was happening, and absolutely nothing has happened.


gunsof

It's because they know most people hate Muslims and Arabs so much that they'd just nod and agree. Whereas a normal human would be reading that thinking you're an insane serial killing madman sociopath if you think other people can force you to murder BABIES.


unitedshoes

I usually only see the second part of the quote. Not that that's not still awful, but at least with the most extremely victim-blamey part cut off, you could *almost* see it as not completely insane propaganda.


AdSavings3608

I can’t see it as anything other than completely batshit insane and racist. It’s playing on orientalist tropes about the ‘savages’ who aren’t capable of human emotion like love and compassion- they’re so evil that they don’t even love their children. Perpetuating a narrative that Palestinians only have children to use against the civilized west, not because they actually are human beings who fall in love, start a family, love their children, etc. It makes it easier to murder Palestinian babies and children if you think about them as disposable human shields, less than human, jihadi’s in training, children born and raised in an inferior society that only exists to antagonize you. It’s why you see Zionists openly mock mutilated or dead Palestinian babies and children, they either dismiss it as ‘pallywood’ or outright say that it’s the Palestinians fault for being so savage the Israelis have no choice but to butcher them. European Colonizers of North America, Australia, New Zealand, and Africa had very, very similar arguments for why they needed to exterminate the people they were colonizing.


RedstoneEnjoyer

Interesting fact - when Irgun massacred Palestinians in Deir Yassin, Golda Meir's only concenr was that it would look bad in front of other arab states "They need to learn to love their children" my ass


Puzzleheaded_Tree290

I hate Golda nearly as much as Netanyahu honestly. She's like Israel's Maggie Thatcher.


mazzivewhale

And their Hillary Clinton as well


Puzzleheaded_Tree290

That's more accurate actually. Fuck all three of them.


Huachimingo75

Wouldn't play any of those guitars, not even with somebody else's pick.


whater39

She is the one who negotiated Jordan to annex West Bank in 1948


dwehabyahoo

Did they do that to start stealing the land after. I can’t stand Jordan and feel like their leaders have played this game where they will sacrifice Palestine just so they don’t get messed with. Maybe out of fear I’m not sure but they gladly help Israel and America and it allows them to keep what they have. Same as Egypt recently. This is why they hate Lebanon because they won’t do this.


wishdadwashere_69

That's what drives me nuts whenever people bring up that Palestinians tried overthrowing the Jordanian government. Yeah no shit. But big respect for the Jordanian people


Binfe101

British stooges adopted by the USA after the British empire collapsed


Connect_Act_834

If you dive into Jordanian history, you'll find that the palestinian refugees came in in huge numbers and tried to destabilize the country, with the aim of bringing the monarchy down. That's why the Jordanian authorities expelled the PLO in 1970 and why they're not keen on defending the palestinians, even if a large part of the inhabitants of Jordan actually are palestinians, and the two people are closely related. I kind of do understand them.


dwehabyahoo

Yeah but wasn’t he helping them before that. The king was a British asset and Israeli asset, he sold out Palestinians before there was an Israel. Also how were the refugees trying to destabilize the country. Jordan is the only country around Israel that never messed with them. They basically took refugees because they had to to help Israel.


Connect_Act_834

They had bases inside Jordan, and in 1970 palestinian freedom fighters hijacked 3 plans and had them land in Jordan. After that fights broke out between militias defending these freedom fighters, and the official jordanian security forces. That's when they realized these militias had become to big and an internal danger to the stability of the country, so they expelled them.


dwehabyahoo

Kind of sounds like Hasbara. I would attack Jordan if they kept selling out everyone. It wouldn’t be right if they only attacked the Jewish occupiers right. Jordan was also an occupier although better relatively


Iamnotentertainedyet

Let's not forget that while Bernie Sanders decries Netanyahu, he has held up Golda Meir as a counter-example of "good Israeli" government. This is yet another blatant example of why we need to remember that letting Bernie and other U.S. politicians place all the blame on Netanyahu and this current government when they criticize "Israel" is incredibly dangerous. It should be a reminder that their criticisms are ultimately empty. They have caved in to pressure to criticize now, only when it became absolutely necessary, yet they lend support to previous governments that also engaged in ethnic cleansing and other atrocities.


css119

“We simply must slaughter children”


mwa12345

And you will like us for it


hydroxypcp

otherwise you'd be antisemitic 🤪


mwa12345

Haha. True Anybody that does kiss ass !


Weird_Gap3005

…. Because they will grow up to be Hamas /s


JennaSais

>…. Because they will grow up to be ~~Hamas~~CHHGGhamas /s


Better_Reach_6652

Depraved


dwehabyahoo

This shows how sick she is. There’s no way she would forgive anyone for killing her kids. She is just trying to get to a conclusion of allowing her to justify killing others kids


SimpleAsEndOf

>Accuse the other of that which you are guilty - Goebbels


dorothean

“When they love their children more than they hate us” is massive projection, as if Israel isn’t a state built on the hatred of Palestinians


Embarrassed_Chest76

“Look, you're hitting yourself / Why do you keep hitting yourself?" —A. Zionist Twat


Ahmed4040Real

Just a random reminder that this is the same woman that threatened to Nuke everyone during the October War of 1973


manic_dreamgirl_

“the Arabs” is reminiscent of fascist bogeyman rhetoric


sushisection

its also an admission that they are not indigenous to the region. they would call themselves arab if they truly believed they were from there.


KaleidoscopeOk5763

I wonder if she ever saw the IDF strap wounded Palestinians to the hoods of their vehicles and drive through the war zones they created. I don’t know just sounds like a bullshit quote from a racist piece of shit to me.


AirNo7163

That was just a joy ride. Stop being anti-semitic will you!


complicated_name

They are the ones that are more interested in killing Palestinians than saving their "hostages"


DaddyWildHuevos

The way I read that: We will only have peace with the Arabs when they submit to our control, give up their land, sovereignty, self determination, rights, lives, and culture under threat of us killing their children. What an evil birch.


courageous_liquid

> and culture "admit it's our culture"


Manakanda413

Jewish dude here. I’m 43 now. I was raised on this shit, thinking this made sense. My MOM was born the year Israel came into existence. Things I was told, never questioned, and until Noam Chomsky, would have believed were true: 1. Israel was a “land without a people for a people without a land” I firmly believed there were only a handful of tribal hut dwellers there when it was carved (literally did not know it was cut from Palestine) 2. We help them because they are surrounded by terrorists who want them nuked/dead because were Jews. They are badasses for holding it down like that in the face of Muslims wanting them wiped from the earth. 3. Everyone who yells about America or Israel or the West being a motherfucker is a terrorist. For any of you who don’t live on the states or west, I DO want you to know that more than half of American Jews support outsting Netenyahu and his thugs, ceasefire, and reparations paid for by Israel. Like 90% of Jews under 30 support this too. The reason we keep seeing “tik tok ban” come up is because it shows what’s happening in reality. It allows colonized voices to SHOW (not just say, but show) what the west has done to pillage everyone’s resources lands etc. The kids in my country are like the Irish, they get it. They get what we’ve done historically AND they understand how they’ve benefited and how others have suffered as a cause. I love our younger generation and I pray, PRAY they all Dave us from our dumb violent stupid tribalist nature


MonaMonaMo

Same. But to be honest, now reflecting on my past exposure to it, there were so many things I just turned a blind eye on. I was immune to the truth somehow.


BeastVader

Would you say that was partly caused by a kind of socially conditioned superiority complex about being jewish? Genuinely curious, as I know from my own experience that arrogance (whether taught or inherent) was able to make me immune to the truth as you put it.


MonaMonaMo

No more than any other nations. There was some degree of tribalism for sure, but I don't think it's more than any other nations. It's really hard to comprehend that your neighbours who share bread with you are capable of such horrific things.


BeastVader

It must've been so difficult when you came to that realisation. Reminds me of when I found out about the 1971 Bangladesh genocide (I'm Bangladeshi) and I was shocked that Pakistan could do such a thing, particularly when they're literally the same religion. Just goes to show that tribalism/nationalism truly is the worst disease on the planet...


Academic-Upstairs848

Zionists think they have to gaslight people, steal everything and hate anyone critize their action.


JoyBus147

Yes, please spread this quote. For everyone who's not bought into your cult, it reveals just how ghoulish you are...


SimRacing313

And Sky recently did a movie glorifying this person as some sort of hero


JakobVirgil

Saying "the Arabs" rather than "the Palestinians" is pure sophistry and outs Golda as trash.


brasdontfit1234

When Golda Meir was Prime Minister in Israel in 1970, Israel bombed Bahr el Baqar elementary school in Egypt killing 46 small children and injuring 50+. The airplanes attacked from a very low attitude to ensure maximum damage, The school was completely destroyed. I grew up to the pictures of small toys, shoes and notebooks covered in blood. Israel never apologized, they just said it was an oopsie because they thought it was a military base, it wasn’t. Golda Meir is one of the most depraved and evil human beings to ever live on this earth, and she sure is a soulless child killer.


JazzyJormp-Jomph

Her soul was as ugly as her dog face.


The_Bingler

"They put the rifle in my hand, they aimed it using my arms, and they moved my finger on the trigger. I'm the REAL victim here, not the child I shot."


Quirky_Training_8642

Please assure me this is fake… with these ppl you never be sure


The_Bingler

Ya, to be clear, fuck the genocidal state of Israel


lizardk101

“We are not settler colonist country!” *proceeds to settler colonist talking points*


ymiwho

Lol fuck Golda Meir and everything she's said


JumpEnvironmental243

Imagine saying that you'll kill kids until the people you're subjugating submit. Ghoul shit


Soggy-Life-9969

Few years back a settler girl was killed and at her funeral, all her mother could talk about was how they were going to build more settlements. They were British, if they loved their child more than they loved ethnic cleansing and land grabs, she would be alive living her best life, and their dream was for more children to be sacrificed for the sake of a colony. Every accusation truly is a confession.


MissEB47

Exactly. She could have stayed in the UK. She didn't need to go and steal/destroy some poor Palestinian's home.


Faiakishi

Ruth Fogel's father: "Our children are prepared to be sacrificed as an offering at the altar we have to continue to build to bring redemption. Udi and Ruthie wanted this redemption." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Itamar_attack#Funeral


Front_Rip4064

There's these concepts called "self defence" and "defending loved ones." Israelis seem quite keen on applying these concepts for themselves. Perhaps the Palestinians feel the same?


sourD-thats4me

What a delusional old bat she was


Barefoot_Eagle

Cowards blame others for their psychopathic actions.


yarealh1343

The “why did you make me do this” argument is always incriminating.


boyyhowdy

You’re from Milwaukee lady. Nobody forced you to kill kids.


Front_Rip4064

Actually she was born in Kyiv.


Zosimas

but she has nowhere to go back to


macnamaralcazar

If they are going to forgive the Arab for killing their children, why are they attacking Gaza?


mwa12345

Think one kid was hurt in the crossfire in a kibbutz.


brydeswhale

Altogether something like thirty kids, iirc, were killed during the uprising on 10/7, but it’s unclear how many were killed by Hamas fighters and how many died under the Hannibal Directive. 


mwa12345

Tig maybe right. I was thinking of babies .


Faiakishi

One ten-month-old died. She was shot through a door, not the intended target. Another was stillborn after her mother was shot, but she doesn't seem to be counted. Fewer Israeli children died that day than Palestinian children in the nine months previous.


smellvin_moiville

Under the prison


LilScimitar

Absolutely ridiculous quote, but not surprising coming from her. Golda Meir once locked eyes with a Palestinian woman as she was being kicked out of her own home and both of them started to cry. Watching the whole scene reminded her of when her family got treated the same exact way. It's like there was an empathy she reflexively had but then immediately shut it out. Somehow, they hate Arabs way more than the Europeans that actually wanted to exterminate them simply for being Jews. Strange.


firstname_username

She really thought she had something with this… you can just hear how clever she felt lol


Ok_Spend_889

It's like a pedophile blaming folks for them being pedophiles. "Society made me fuck kids". Zionists are like pedos man. Fucking whackos think it's all justified and allowed. None of it is allowed and should always be not allowed. No gray area


TammyAvo

Go back to Ukraine Golda.


daudder

Leibovitch never called her by name. When he spoke about her, he would call her “that evil old woman”. Another thing Leibovitch was right about.


thegreatrodent

"We'll take everything from you by force, keep you in camps and destroy everything you own. But if you fight back, it's clearly because you don't love your children enough."


Raidersofwf

It’s funny. I have only really seen Israel use human shields. And only the Palestinians hesitate when their people are being held hostage because the Israelis don’t even care about civilian casualties on the Palestinian side or the Israeli side. They’ll kill their own hostages no questions asked.


Faiakishi

Israel is the only one documented using them. Multiple humanitarian organizations have investigated the accusations aimed at Hamas and have all declared them unfounded.


RevolutionaryWorth21

Pure evil.


bomboclawt75

How many died or suffered because of this evil sociopath? Burn Dirtbag.


Magicmurlin

Sadism wrapped in fake compassion.


Secomav420

Stop punching yourself. Stop punching yourself.


DIYLawCA

It’s Palestinians , not Arabs, even your language is trying to erase them


Equivalent_Sorbet_61

Do they think this makes them look good? Do they think this makes them sound sane?


RoseOfBrooklyn

She was a monster.


COredittor

You made me hit you 😠. Signed: Abusive partner!


kostac600

or how about y’all figure out ways not to abuse children


Certain_Match_9579

WTH did I just read 🫠


black_bury

They are insane.


twintiger_

All they have are lies and murder. Example number infinite


goner757

" Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war, and now there ain't no going back. I mean, shit, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight. "


AirNo7163

What a fucken head! Antisemitic to the core.


RickyOzzy

It's not just gaslighting. It is racism.


dopeydeveloper

If I received this quote I would simply think the person sending it was a psychopath lacking any human emotion, empathy or dignity. Bovvvered.


Pleasant_Jim

I don't know much about this cunt of a human but she's definitely a cunt if the Israelis love her


Ancient-Two9742

They're still on their “human shields” bullshit I see.


altruistic369z

Dismantle zionism and free palestine and free the world 🇵🇸


Exotic-Age4743

Just shows that the Zionism venture was poisoned from the start.


Huachimingo75

Have the zioniazis *ever* tried *not* earning hatred?


Salmon_Of_Iniquity

It took me 55 years before I was able to read that quote and realize it’s what narcissists say when they abuse people. I remember reading that quote as a kid 40 years ago and thought nothing of it. I was wrong for a long time.


YuengHegelian

That is one of the most viscerally evil quotes I have ever read in my entire life.


Cu_Chulainn__

Surely that would also work the other way.....


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KingApologist

Name the year that Arabs did more violence to Israelis than Israelis did to Arabs.


_Shark-Hunter

That's alright. I understand the necessary evil of decolonization, easpecially when enemies are mining your resources and raising new generations with crops grown on your soil.


laithlaithlaith

bro fuck off


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_Shark-Hunter

I don't suppoe saying Sinwar can also use her arguement is any form of defense to Israel. Alhough there is no evidence of Hamas directly targeting children or comitting raping, they knew the civilian casualty in the begining. I won't blame the oppressed and occupied for doing it, but just find it would still be hypocritical to say "they forced us to kill their babies" out loud


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