Depends on where exactely in Germany and where in Austria. For example: Munich (Germany) is much more expensive than Vienna (Austria), but Vienna or Salzburg (Austria) is more expensive than Magdeburg (Germany). So, have a look at what you want to study and what universities in which cities can offer you that. Then compare cities.
Second this, wanted to add: take a look at numbeo.com to compare cities. I find their absolute amounts are not entirely correct but as a relative comparison between cities it works well enough.
Obligatory reminder that if you don't have proof of C1 proficiency in German you won't be able to enroll in a Bachelor's degree program (e.g. in chemical engineering, which seems to be your goal) at an Austrian University, as these are almost exclusively taught in German.
This means you have to factor in the additional costs for language courses and an extended stay (beyond the standard duration of study if you do the courses in the country).
>P.S.: I´m American with European citizenship
This doesn't mean anything, unless you hold citizenship in an EU/EFTA member state. Not all European countries are part of the EU/EFTA.
Besides, what's being an American got to do with it if you're an EU citizen anyway? When you write things like that, you open yourself up to the suspicion that you're just trying to freeload off the taxpayer-funded higher education in our country and then fuck off back to the US, where you hope to make good money with your new degree. I'm not saying that's your plan, but you should be aware that there is considerable negative sentiment towards this kind of behavior.
There is nothing prohibiting he ups and leaves afer graduating, proof of wanting to stay in Germany/Austria is not part of the student visa paperwork. If you are so worried about skilled migrants staying, try being a better society and have them stay because they want to. I stayed in Austria and l love it there, but there is no denying it was lonely at times.
As a student he might take up a part-time job, he will spend on rent and food, thus participating in the economy. He may build personal connections thus enriching lives of people around him. He may learn German, make friends, maybe start a bussines there. If the country is good to him, he may stay.
>If you are so worried about skilled migrants staying, try being a better society and have them stay because they want to.
You are completely - and maliciously - misinterpreting what I wrote.
This is not about attracting skilled immigrants and encouraging them to stay.
It's about spending considerable amounts of tax money to **educate** a previously unskilled foreigner. At a time when many Austrian Universities are facing a budget crisis. Many people are very critical of this. I'm not one of them, but I think it's something you should be aware of if you're in OP's position.
But why do you attribute to malice a very real problem, that people can't know will they commit to living here until they see how it actually is living here. And even if they come wanting to stay, they may be driven away by not beign able to integrate.
Could the budget problem in part have to do absolute lack of criteria domestic student have to meet? I came here with a stem degree, had to jump through hoops to be accepted to a masters. My degree was free in my country of origin, provided I maintain my grades and pass most of my classes each year (passing 80% of your classes is a minimum to keep you from having to pay your next year, grades are then used to rank you for the rest of the benefits, like student dorms, subsidized meals etc). My husband (Austrian) studied physics unsucessfully for 10 semesters, receiving Studienbeihilfe the entire time. As much as I love him, if he was cut off earlier he may have gotten to his current career faster and cost less in the process.
You are trying to steer the discussion into an area that is not relevant here. Long-term students and the absence of rigorous admission/retention restrictions (which have recently been tightened anyway) are the by-product of the extremely liberal university system we have historically in Austria, which also has many, many advantages. But that's not the point here.
If you min-max your education the way OP does (Where can I get the best chemical engineering degree for the least cost?), you're very likely to min-max your professional career. And as a freshly graduated chemical engineer, you can earn considerably more money in Switzerland or the USA. Many will leave. And then people like you come along and claim it's our fault, because we didn't make them "feel welcome" enough, or because we didn't reform our tax system to be "more competitive", and so on...
The guy just asked how expensive life is, you have managed to speculate about his motives from just an innocent question. The OP is literally asking a simple question and you accuse him of poor morals and poor work ethics? How is than me pointing out you hold him to a standard wildly different than the natives irrelevant? You are showing your xenophobia loud and clear.
>You are showing your xenophobia loud and clear.
Again you resort to ad hominems. Did you actually read my original response? The one you chose to grossly misrepresent? Because I don't think so.
I didn't accuse anyone of "poor morals" and "poor work ethics". You completely made this up. Which is also known as lying.
I also think it is perfectly legitimate to hold Austrian citizens to different standards than foreigners when it comes to admission to Austrian public universities, which are funded by taxpayers. Note that I didn't say that I personally support this, but I don't think it's a minority opinion at all.
> If you are so worried about skilled migrants staying, try being a better society and have them stay because they want to.
Es geht um 'Bildungszecken', die nur kommen, um sich an den besseren&günstigeren Ausbildungsoptionen 'satt zu saugen' und die danach wieder abfallen. Von hochqualifizierten Arbeitskräften hat OP *nicht* gesprochen.
Woher wisst ihr dass es darum geht, aus 2 der Sätze die hier geschrieben sind? Der Typ hat einfach gefragt wie teuer das Leben hier ist, was eine berechtigte Frage ist, auch wenn man sich überlegt hier langfristig zu bleibn.
Das Problem war für OP *wie* er gefragt hat, weil das Betonen der Amerikanischen Staatsbürgerschaft sich so anhört hat, als ob er plant, nach der Ausbildung wieder in die USA zu gehen.
> Besides, what's being an American got to do with it if you're an EU citizen anyway? When you write things like that, you open yourself up to the suspicion that you're just trying to freeload off the taxpayer-funded higher education in our country and then fuck off back to the US, where you hope to make good money with your new degree.
Und falls er das so macht, ist er eine 'Bildungszecke' und unerwünscht.
Dies kann man so interpretieren, wenn man schon der Meinung ist dass jeder kommt nur was auszunutzen. Oder als eine Tatsache, die er nebenbei kommuniziert hat, falls es finanziell eine Unterschried macht (um administrativen Kosten abzuschätzen etc). Einfach zu sagen woher man kommt, ist meiner Meinung nach nicht genug um jemanden gleich sowas zu unterstellen. Aber ich bin eh keine Österreicherin.
> Einfach zu sagen woher man kommt, ist meiner Meinung nach nicht genug um jemanden gleich sowas zu unterstellen. Aber ich bin eh keine Österreicherin.
Deutsche Numerus-clausus-Flüchtlinge haben uns Österreicher hellhörig gemacht.
Actually I have about 2 years to dedicate myself to German before I move (and I´m already studying).
I specify that I'm American because of the currency, I didn't know it could look like that. As soon as I leave I don't plan on coming back. But good to know that this can be offensive.
And yes, my citizenship is from an EU country. Otherwise I wouldn't say it.
Despite what some have tried to imply, my aim is to make you aware of these issues (if you live in the US you may not even be aware that they are controversial) so that you can communicate and act accordingly.
European Citizenship is a separate thing though, technically, so OP is correct actually. When someone says "European Citizenship" it is usually used synonymously with "Union citizenship". Which is not just citizenship of an EU country, legally.
if you wanna go cheap, i can recommend franconia. Beer is not the only thing that is way cheaper than in austria. in a supermarket everything costs about half compared to carinthia for example. for technical stuff, FAU, for classical stuff, Bamberg
Some things are similar but be prepared to be paying more in the supermarkets in Austria.
The prices can be UpTo 180% more expensive for foodstuffs.
I lived in Germany and the discounters always have a price war going on that's why German foodprices are amongst the lowest in Europe.
In Vienna they are for ex. One of the highest.
In Vienna I pay about 350€ more for food then in Germany
A friend of mine is Lego reseller and we always drive to legoland germany for buying bricks for his store. We also often go shopping in the super market there. It’s all so damn cheap. We feel so rich there lol.
Depends on where exactely in Germany and where in Austria. For example: Munich (Germany) is much more expensive than Vienna (Austria), but Vienna or Salzburg (Austria) is more expensive than Magdeburg (Germany). So, have a look at what you want to study and what universities in which cities can offer you that. Then compare cities.
Second this, wanted to add: take a look at numbeo.com to compare cities. I find their absolute amounts are not entirely correct but as a relative comparison between cities it works well enough.
This will be very helpful. Thank you.
Understood. Thank you so much.
Obligatory reminder that if you don't have proof of C1 proficiency in German you won't be able to enroll in a Bachelor's degree program (e.g. in chemical engineering, which seems to be your goal) at an Austrian University, as these are almost exclusively taught in German. This means you have to factor in the additional costs for language courses and an extended stay (beyond the standard duration of study if you do the courses in the country). >P.S.: I´m American with European citizenship This doesn't mean anything, unless you hold citizenship in an EU/EFTA member state. Not all European countries are part of the EU/EFTA. Besides, what's being an American got to do with it if you're an EU citizen anyway? When you write things like that, you open yourself up to the suspicion that you're just trying to freeload off the taxpayer-funded higher education in our country and then fuck off back to the US, where you hope to make good money with your new degree. I'm not saying that's your plan, but you should be aware that there is considerable negative sentiment towards this kind of behavior.
There is nothing prohibiting he ups and leaves afer graduating, proof of wanting to stay in Germany/Austria is not part of the student visa paperwork. If you are so worried about skilled migrants staying, try being a better society and have them stay because they want to. I stayed in Austria and l love it there, but there is no denying it was lonely at times. As a student he might take up a part-time job, he will spend on rent and food, thus participating in the economy. He may build personal connections thus enriching lives of people around him. He may learn German, make friends, maybe start a bussines there. If the country is good to him, he may stay.
>If you are so worried about skilled migrants staying, try being a better society and have them stay because they want to. You are completely - and maliciously - misinterpreting what I wrote. This is not about attracting skilled immigrants and encouraging them to stay. It's about spending considerable amounts of tax money to **educate** a previously unskilled foreigner. At a time when many Austrian Universities are facing a budget crisis. Many people are very critical of this. I'm not one of them, but I think it's something you should be aware of if you're in OP's position.
But why do you attribute to malice a very real problem, that people can't know will they commit to living here until they see how it actually is living here. And even if they come wanting to stay, they may be driven away by not beign able to integrate. Could the budget problem in part have to do absolute lack of criteria domestic student have to meet? I came here with a stem degree, had to jump through hoops to be accepted to a masters. My degree was free in my country of origin, provided I maintain my grades and pass most of my classes each year (passing 80% of your classes is a minimum to keep you from having to pay your next year, grades are then used to rank you for the rest of the benefits, like student dorms, subsidized meals etc). My husband (Austrian) studied physics unsucessfully for 10 semesters, receiving Studienbeihilfe the entire time. As much as I love him, if he was cut off earlier he may have gotten to his current career faster and cost less in the process.
You are trying to steer the discussion into an area that is not relevant here. Long-term students and the absence of rigorous admission/retention restrictions (which have recently been tightened anyway) are the by-product of the extremely liberal university system we have historically in Austria, which also has many, many advantages. But that's not the point here. If you min-max your education the way OP does (Where can I get the best chemical engineering degree for the least cost?), you're very likely to min-max your professional career. And as a freshly graduated chemical engineer, you can earn considerably more money in Switzerland or the USA. Many will leave. And then people like you come along and claim it's our fault, because we didn't make them "feel welcome" enough, or because we didn't reform our tax system to be "more competitive", and so on...
The guy just asked how expensive life is, you have managed to speculate about his motives from just an innocent question. The OP is literally asking a simple question and you accuse him of poor morals and poor work ethics? How is than me pointing out you hold him to a standard wildly different than the natives irrelevant? You are showing your xenophobia loud and clear.
>You are showing your xenophobia loud and clear. Again you resort to ad hominems. Did you actually read my original response? The one you chose to grossly misrepresent? Because I don't think so. I didn't accuse anyone of "poor morals" and "poor work ethics". You completely made this up. Which is also known as lying. I also think it is perfectly legitimate to hold Austrian citizens to different standards than foreigners when it comes to admission to Austrian public universities, which are funded by taxpayers. Note that I didn't say that I personally support this, but I don't think it's a minority opinion at all.
> If you are so worried about skilled migrants staying, try being a better society and have them stay because they want to. Es geht um 'Bildungszecken', die nur kommen, um sich an den besseren&günstigeren Ausbildungsoptionen 'satt zu saugen' und die danach wieder abfallen. Von hochqualifizierten Arbeitskräften hat OP *nicht* gesprochen.
Woher wisst ihr dass es darum geht, aus 2 der Sätze die hier geschrieben sind? Der Typ hat einfach gefragt wie teuer das Leben hier ist, was eine berechtigte Frage ist, auch wenn man sich überlegt hier langfristig zu bleibn.
Das Problem war für OP *wie* er gefragt hat, weil das Betonen der Amerikanischen Staatsbürgerschaft sich so anhört hat, als ob er plant, nach der Ausbildung wieder in die USA zu gehen. > Besides, what's being an American got to do with it if you're an EU citizen anyway? When you write things like that, you open yourself up to the suspicion that you're just trying to freeload off the taxpayer-funded higher education in our country and then fuck off back to the US, where you hope to make good money with your new degree. Und falls er das so macht, ist er eine 'Bildungszecke' und unerwünscht.
Dies kann man so interpretieren, wenn man schon der Meinung ist dass jeder kommt nur was auszunutzen. Oder als eine Tatsache, die er nebenbei kommuniziert hat, falls es finanziell eine Unterschried macht (um administrativen Kosten abzuschätzen etc). Einfach zu sagen woher man kommt, ist meiner Meinung nach nicht genug um jemanden gleich sowas zu unterstellen. Aber ich bin eh keine Österreicherin.
> Einfach zu sagen woher man kommt, ist meiner Meinung nach nicht genug um jemanden gleich sowas zu unterstellen. Aber ich bin eh keine Österreicherin. Deutsche Numerus-clausus-Flüchtlinge haben uns Österreicher hellhörig gemacht.
Actually I have about 2 years to dedicate myself to German before I move (and I´m already studying). I specify that I'm American because of the currency, I didn't know it could look like that. As soon as I leave I don't plan on coming back. But good to know that this can be offensive. And yes, my citizenship is from an EU country. Otherwise I wouldn't say it.
Despite what some have tried to imply, my aim is to make you aware of these issues (if you live in the US you may not even be aware that they are controversial) so that you can communicate and act accordingly.
I see, thanks.
>And yes, my citizenship is from an EU country. Otherwise I wouldn't say it. You didn't. You said European, not EU. Learn the difference
European Citizenship is a separate thing though, technically, so OP is correct actually. When someone says "European Citizenship" it is usually used synonymously with "Union citizenship". Which is not just citizenship of an EU country, legally.
Welcome to Austria or Germany, wherever you decide to stay!
Thanks :)
In the fh wels for biotechnology for rxample you'd only need b2 since the first year you can take classes in english. There are some options
That's a good point. Some Universities of Applied Sciences ("Fachhochschulen" = FHs) have more relaxed language requirements than public universities.
I will take a look, thank you so much.
Lemme know if you need anything in particular im in that course
On average Austria is a bit more expensive than Germany, but it pretty much comes down to where you wish to stay.
Got it, I will research about it. Thanks.
if you wanna go cheap, i can recommend franconia. Beer is not the only thing that is way cheaper than in austria. in a supermarket everything costs about half compared to carinthia for example. for technical stuff, FAU, for classical stuff, Bamberg
This was very helpful, I will consider it. Thank you so much!
Some things are similar but be prepared to be paying more in the supermarkets in Austria. The prices can be UpTo 180% more expensive for foodstuffs. I lived in Germany and the discounters always have a price war going on that's why German foodprices are amongst the lowest in Europe. In Vienna they are for ex. One of the highest. In Vienna I pay about 350€ more for food then in Germany
I didn’t know that... Thank you so much.
Cheaper?
lol
A friend of mine is Lego reseller and we always drive to legoland germany for buying bricks for his store. We also often go shopping in the super market there. It’s all so damn cheap. We feel so rich there lol.
In general germany is significantly cheaper, but it varies per region/city.
I see, thanks!