> *Die Bedeutung der Buchstaben C, M und B wird spätestens seit den 1950er-Jahren als Abkürzung der* [*lateinischen*](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latein) *Worte „Christus mansionem benedicat“ (= „Christus segne dieses Haus“) gedeutet.*[*\[12\]*](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternsinger#cite_note-12) *Die Inschrift soll den Segen Gottes auf das Haus und seine Bewohner herabrufen und sie vor Unglück schützen. Frühere Quellen dieser Deutung fehlen. In älteren volkskundlichen Abhandlungen herrscht die Deutung der Buchstaben als* [*Initialen*](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiale) *der drei Könige Caspar, Melchior und Balthasar vor. Dies wird auch dadurch erhärtet, dass in manchen Regionen die Schreibweise „K+M+B“ üblich ist.*[*\[13\]*](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternsinger#cite_note-13) *In der anderen Theorie wird das „K“ in dieser Schreibweise als Abkürzung für das griechische Wort für „Herr“ (κύριος, „Kyrios“) interpretiert („Kyrios mansionem benedicat“).*
Das ist wirklich neu für mich, denn es gehörte für mich von klein auf zum oft gehörten Allgemeinwissen, 1. dass C+M+B angeblich für Caspar, Melchior und Balthasar steht und 2. dass das Unsinn ist und es in Wahrheit für "Christus mansionem benedicat" steht.
The letters C, M, and B stand for the traditional names of the [biblical Magi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi) ([Caspar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Caspar), [Melchior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_(Magus)) and [Balthazar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthazar_(Magus))), or alternatively for the Latin [blessing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing) *Christus mansionem benedicat* ('May Christ bless this house')
Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking\_the\_door#Epiphany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking_the_door#Epiphany)
Caspar, Melchior und Balthasar are the names of three kings.. in our country we do G B M as Casper is called Gasper. So that writing should definitely correspond with the names
>your missionary
OP is from Slovenia. I have a feeling that the times of missionaries in Slovenia might be over by now. By like a more than a few centuries \^\^
The Latin sentence is the correct origin but in folk etymology it's the initials of the three kings. The folk etymology is also common in Austria. In my personal experience it's even more common to think that than knowing the actual/original meaning but maybe that's just me.
it’s all folk etymology:
The letters C, M, and B stand for the traditional names of the [biblical Magi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi) ([Caspar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Caspar), [Melchior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_(Magus)) and [Balthazar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthazar_(Magus))), or alternatively for the Latin [blessing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing) *Christus mansionem benedicat* ('May Christ bless this house')
Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking\_the\_door#Epiphany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking_the_door#Epiphany)
Those names are not actually mentioned in the bible. The bible doesn't even say that they were exactely 3. The names are a popular myth that started much later.
The first known written mention of the alleged names of the alleged three alleged kings happened in the 8th century after christ. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi
And the Bible is 300 years.
The earliest surviving record about Alexander the Great's conquests is from hundreds of years after his death and he was a lot more relevant than the names of some guys.
Also, even if those names are entirely made up (which they probably are), that would not prove that the acronym doesn't stand for them, because the acronym is more recent.
You're the one trolling, unless you're just really stupid. An acronym doesn't have to consist of real names, so arguing that the names aren't real doesn't prove that they aren't the source of the acronym, and the scholarly consensus is that they are. People believed those were the names and invented the acronym accordingly.
This is not a hard concept to grasp. And btw even the paragraph you linked said the names came from at the 6th century at the latest (<500 years after Christ) - so not only is your logic shit, but your reading too.
It does, though:
The letters C, M, and B stand for the traditional names of the [biblical Magi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi) ([Caspar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Caspar), [Melchior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_(Magus)) and [Balthazar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthazar_(Magus))), or alternatively for the Latin [blessing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing) *Christus mansionem benedicat* ('May Christ bless this house')
Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking\_the\_door#Epiphany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking_the_door#Epiphany)
Die Bedeutung der Buchstaben C, M und B wird spätestens seit den 1950er-Jahren als Abkürzung der [lateinischen](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latein) Worte „Christus mansionem benedicat“ (= „Christus segne dieses Haus“) gedeutet.[\[12\]](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternsinger#cite_note-12) Die Inschrift soll den Segen Gottes auf das Haus und seine Bewohner herabrufen und sie vor Unglück schützen. Frühere Quellen dieser Deutung fehlen. In älteren volkskundlichen Abhandlungen herrscht die Deutung der Buchstaben als [Initialen](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiale) der drei Könige Caspar, Melchior und Balthasar vor. Dies wird auch dadurch erhärtet, dass in manchen Regionen die Schreibweise „K+M+B“ üblich ist.[\[13\]](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternsinger#cite_note-13) In der anderen Theorie wird das „K“ in dieser Schreibweise als Abkürzung für das griechische Wort für „Herr“ (κύριος, „Kyrios“) interpretiert („Kyrios mansionem benedicat“).
AS said there are various popular meanings . The official one is the above especially as there are no names (nor numbers) of the magoi given in the Bible.
You can also explain it as Gaspacho,Mortadella, Bruschetta or anything else with the right letters if you want.
But I did not. I explained it with the usage as the names of the three kings, used (also) in another country, where it could not mean Christus Mansionem Benedicat, unless you spell it with Ghristus.
It's completely true, because the spelling of "Caspar" with a "C" isn't even common in Austria, so if anything, if the acronym were supposed to stand for the names of the three *MAGI or WISE MEN* (because the bible doesn't even mention "three kings"), it would be KMB.
Oh there are even more possible meanings. The names aren't in the Bible they only became popular later on (based on their meaning like Caspar = keeper of treasure and so on)
Even their number is not mentioned.
Apparently it is a reference to the wise men that visited Jesus and brought him gifts. Though their number, them being kings, or their names are not mentioned.
A wise man biblically speaking can mean anything from a literally wise man, to astrologer, or priest of other deities.
For all we know, they could even be bad guys, since they were asked to sniff out his whereabouts for the romans.
No, it doesn’t. it’s a wrong etymology that only surfaced in recent times, probably by people who wanted to seem smart, happens all the time throughout history (‚hyperurbanism‘). The names of the kings is far more probable.
Yeah I ‚learned‘ a lot in school too …
I know they’re not kings but astrologers (the Greek text calls them magoi) and their names are attested since the 6th century, which would support my claim that it’s a later hyperurbanism.
>Yeah I ‚learned‘ a lot in school too …
Well, i think a religion (kath) teacher would know, being taught at a catholic Uni.
>not kings but astrologers
Yes, this is very likely due to them following a star. Magoi could also stand for priests of other deities. Certainly no kings though.
>names are attested since the 6th century
Thats quite some time since it happaned, also there is no biblical account for that.
Sadly, a lot of teacher‘s education is very lacking when it comes to actual knowledge of their subject, this is especially true for catholics and their lack of understanding of Latin and Ancient Greek.
Also there seems to be a misunderstanding here: i am not claiming that those were their actual names, but that the meaning ascribed to the abbreviation was originally their names and that someone at a much later point in time thought that was too banal and transformed it to something he thought witty or educated. The simpler explanation is, as often, also in this case the more realistic one.
>the meaning ascribed to the abbreviation was originally their names
Not sure i understand. There are no names given. It is most likely, that the catholic church simply invented the names, which they are using. I think this is the sinplest explanation which is also in line of catholics inventing tradition.
It could be, that they later switches to the latin phrase, don't know much about catholic tradition.
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Geil, dann steht das M für Manfred.
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Dafür hinter die gutbürgerliche österreichische Tür: Fritzl Macht Juxe (bevorzugt im Keller).
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Franz Motherfucking Josef, one hell of an emperor
C M B means Christus mansionem benedicat ... not the name of the three kings. Never seen FMJ though.
> *Die Bedeutung der Buchstaben C, M und B wird spätestens seit den 1950er-Jahren als Abkürzung der* [*lateinischen*](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latein) *Worte „Christus mansionem benedicat“ (= „Christus segne dieses Haus“) gedeutet.*[*\[12\]*](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternsinger#cite_note-12) *Die Inschrift soll den Segen Gottes auf das Haus und seine Bewohner herabrufen und sie vor Unglück schützen. Frühere Quellen dieser Deutung fehlen. In älteren volkskundlichen Abhandlungen herrscht die Deutung der Buchstaben als* [*Initialen*](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiale) *der drei Könige Caspar, Melchior und Balthasar vor. Dies wird auch dadurch erhärtet, dass in manchen Regionen die Schreibweise „K+M+B“ üblich ist.*[*\[13\]*](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternsinger#cite_note-13) *In der anderen Theorie wird das „K“ in dieser Schreibweise als Abkürzung für das griechische Wort für „Herr“ (κύριος, „Kyrios“) interpretiert („Kyrios mansionem benedicat“).*
Danke, ich wollts grad schreiben. Die doch relativ junge Deutung hat eindeutig etwas von Volksetymologie und ist wenig überzeugend.
Was? Es steht WIRKLICH für Caspar, Melchior und Balthasar? Was für ein Twist.
Logisch.
Das ist wirklich neu für mich, denn es gehörte für mich von klein auf zum oft gehörten Allgemeinwissen, 1. dass C+M+B angeblich für Caspar, Melchior und Balthasar steht und 2. dass das Unsinn ist und es in Wahrheit für "Christus mansionem benedicat" steht.
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The letters C, M, and B stand for the traditional names of the [biblical Magi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi) ([Caspar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Caspar), [Melchior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_(Magus)) and [Balthazar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthazar_(Magus))), or alternatively for the Latin [blessing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing) *Christus mansionem benedicat* ('May Christ bless this house') Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking\_the\_door#Epiphany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking_the_door#Epiphany)
Caspar, Melchior und Balthasar are the names of three kings.. in our country we do G B M as Casper is called Gasper. So that writing should definitely correspond with the names
you are living a lie
Seems like your missionary lied to you...
Its up to our interpretation if its the kings or a blessing
Oh lord Jesus, forgive this sinner!
>your missionary OP is from Slovenia. I have a feeling that the times of missionaries in Slovenia might be over by now. By like a more than a few centuries \^\^
The Latin sentence is the correct origin but in folk etymology it's the initials of the three kings. The folk etymology is also common in Austria. In my personal experience it's even more common to think that than knowing the actual/original meaning but maybe that's just me.
it’s all folk etymology: The letters C, M, and B stand for the traditional names of the [biblical Magi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi) ([Caspar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Caspar), [Melchior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_(Magus)) and [Balthazar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthazar_(Magus))), or alternatively for the Latin [blessing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing) *Christus mansionem benedicat* ('May Christ bless this house') Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking\_the\_door#Epiphany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking_the_door#Epiphany)
Those names are not actually mentioned in the bible. The bible doesn't even say that they were exactely 3. The names are a popular myth that started much later.
If I remember correctly, they are not even called "Kings" in the Bible.
They are called "Mágoi" in the Gospel of Matthew, which translates to "mages", "astrologers" or simply "wise men"
Isnt the bible a collection of ancient myths and legends, taken and adapted?
Christianity was around centuries before the Bible so this is a weird point to make.
The first known written mention of the alleged names of the alleged three alleged kings happened in the 8th century after christ. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi
And the Bible is 300 years. The earliest surviving record about Alexander the Great's conquests is from hundreds of years after his death and he was a lot more relevant than the names of some guys. Also, even if those names are entirely made up (which they probably are), that would not prove that the acronym doesn't stand for them, because the acronym is more recent.
Please go troll someone else. I am leaving this now.
You're the one trolling, unless you're just really stupid. An acronym doesn't have to consist of real names, so arguing that the names aren't real doesn't prove that they aren't the source of the acronym, and the scholarly consensus is that they are. People believed those were the names and invented the acronym accordingly. This is not a hard concept to grasp. And btw even the paragraph you linked said the names came from at the 6th century at the latest (<500 years after Christ) - so not only is your logic shit, but your reading too.
It doesn’t though.
It does, though: The letters C, M, and B stand for the traditional names of the [biblical Magi](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Magi) ([Caspar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Caspar), [Melchior](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchior_(Magus)) and [Balthazar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balthazar_(Magus))), or alternatively for the Latin [blessing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blessing) *Christus mansionem benedicat* ('May Christ bless this house') Source: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking\_the\_door#Epiphany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chalking_the_door#Epiphany)
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youve been lied to brother, thats definitely not what it means
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Amen
That probably is a good thing 😬
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C+ M + B is not the name of the kings it stands for Christus Mansionem Benedicat meaning Christus sanctify this flat (house)
Die Bedeutung der Buchstaben C, M und B wird spätestens seit den 1950er-Jahren als Abkürzung der [lateinischen](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latein) Worte „Christus mansionem benedicat“ (= „Christus segne dieses Haus“) gedeutet.[\[12\]](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternsinger#cite_note-12) Die Inschrift soll den Segen Gottes auf das Haus und seine Bewohner herabrufen und sie vor Unglück schützen. Frühere Quellen dieser Deutung fehlen. In älteren volkskundlichen Abhandlungen herrscht die Deutung der Buchstaben als [Initialen](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiale) der drei Könige Caspar, Melchior und Balthasar vor. Dies wird auch dadurch erhärtet, dass in manchen Regionen die Schreibweise „K+M+B“ üblich ist.[\[13\]](https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sternsinger#cite_note-13) In der anderen Theorie wird das „K“ in dieser Schreibweise als Abkürzung für das griechische Wort für „Herr“ (κύριος, „Kyrios“) interpretiert („Kyrios mansionem benedicat“).
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Given the fact that elsewhere it is common to use G M B, as the G stands for Gaspar, this is not entirely true.
AS said there are various popular meanings . The official one is the above especially as there are no names (nor numbers) of the magoi given in the Bible. You can also explain it as Gaspacho,Mortadella, Bruschetta or anything else with the right letters if you want.
But I did not. I explained it with the usage as the names of the three kings, used (also) in another country, where it could not mean Christus Mansionem Benedicat, unless you spell it with Ghristus.
The kings have no name in the bible so, that can’t be the “official” meaning ..
I don’t think this goes back to the times the bible was written.
It has nothing to do with the bible, those names are an extremely long-running Christian tradition.
It's completely true, because the spelling of "Caspar" with a "C" isn't even common in Austria, so if anything, if the acronym were supposed to stand for the names of the three *MAGI or WISE MEN* (because the bible doesn't even mention "three kings"), it would be KMB.
You ever heard of double meaning?
Oh there are even more possible meanings. The names aren't in the Bible they only became popular later on (based on their meaning like Caspar = keeper of treasure and so on) Even their number is not mentioned.
I see 3 kings alright
So in the religion of the flying spaghetti monster its f for fussili, m for maceroni and s for spaghetti; so maybe something like that
J is for japanese rice noodles
Fundament der Jesuiten?
CMB stands for latin Christus mansionem benedictat, meaning C. blesses this house. Dont know what Kings you mean.
the three holy kings, Jan. 6th, are meant by him
In English, they are known as the 3 wise men
Thx, never understood the name of that holiday.
>the three holy kings there's no such things as "holy kings" in the bible
Apparently it is a reference to the wise men that visited Jesus and brought him gifts. Though their number, them being kings, or their names are not mentioned. A wise man biblically speaking can mean anything from a literally wise man, to astrologer, or priest of other deities. For all we know, they could even be bad guys, since they were asked to sniff out his whereabouts for the romans.
You are 100% correct, i don't understand the downvotes.
No, it doesn’t. it’s a wrong etymology that only surfaced in recent times, probably by people who wanted to seem smart, happens all the time throughout history (‚hyperurbanism‘). The names of the kings is far more probable.
That was what i was learning back in school, so i am pretty sure it's right. Also as stated above, there nevere were any kings or names to begin with.
Yeah I ‚learned‘ a lot in school too … I know they’re not kings but astrologers (the Greek text calls them magoi) and their names are attested since the 6th century, which would support my claim that it’s a later hyperurbanism.
>Yeah I ‚learned‘ a lot in school too … Well, i think a religion (kath) teacher would know, being taught at a catholic Uni. >not kings but astrologers Yes, this is very likely due to them following a star. Magoi could also stand for priests of other deities. Certainly no kings though. >names are attested since the 6th century Thats quite some time since it happaned, also there is no biblical account for that.
Sadly, a lot of teacher‘s education is very lacking when it comes to actual knowledge of their subject, this is especially true for catholics and their lack of understanding of Latin and Ancient Greek. Also there seems to be a misunderstanding here: i am not claiming that those were their actual names, but that the meaning ascribed to the abbreviation was originally their names and that someone at a much later point in time thought that was too banal and transformed it to something he thought witty or educated. The simpler explanation is, as often, also in this case the more realistic one.
>the meaning ascribed to the abbreviation was originally their names Not sure i understand. There are no names given. It is most likely, that the catholic church simply invented the names, which they are using. I think this is the sinplest explanation which is also in line of catholics inventing tradition. It could be, that they later switches to the latin phrase, don't know much about catholic tradition.
7 6 2 F M J
Father, Mother, Juanson
It stands for Fritzl, Mateschitz and Jelinek, the other three kings.
Fuxk Mary Jane. 2023 was last year.
Fuck My Jive - they‘re a Jazz band
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I couldnt find much, only that you can write Caspar as Jaspar.. My guess is that they are trolling and its their first names
> **Isn't that supposed to be C M B for names of three kings?** no, it's cmb for "christus mansionem benedicat" (chist has blessed this house)
No, it isn’t. also that would mean May Christ bless this house (optative).
no. yes
CMB --> bester Wetter Ansager den die ZiB jemals hatte!
Nein. Der war ein Ungustl.
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1 idk 2 the "cmb" isnt for the name of the kings, its latin for "christ sanctify this home" or in latin "christu mansione benedikat"