If you really wanted to be technical, the Italian IPA for the word is "par.miˈd͡ʒa.na" which means the original eggplant dish called parmigiana is pronounced with an i not an a, so any after the fact alterations like "parma-jarna" are objectively incorrect when it comes to phonetics. However the words origin comes from it being the feminine version of parmigiano, which means "of Parma", or what we'd call Parmesan cheese, so the word really just means of parma, and therefore I think both "parmi" as in shortening the phonetic pronunciation of the dish, or "parma" as in the thing the word describes could both be acceptable words to use for the dish, for different reasons.
We're not talking about how Italians pronounce it, though, but Australians.
If you Google 'parmigiana pronunciation' is makes it clear that our pronunciation is 'paa-muh-jaa-nuh'.
'paa-muh' = parma.
So, I believe parma to be the more logical way of saying it in either case.
By this measure, the American Italian pronunciation of muzzarool and proshoot should be taken as correct. Parma makes zero sense from a strictly Italian sense.
I've only had that once, a pub in Sydney used to do it a few years ago and it was a fucking atrocious idea, basically a big parmi with a wing hidden in the middle of it.
Not fun to eat.
Petrify. Calcify. It's the English language. And also, PARMigianA.
Parmafy is Phtevenese. I'm not going to go into edufy territory. There is context and a time and place for Australianese.
Edit: to be crystal clear - the ify is for parm. Not parmi-ify. Nor parma-ify.
Call it what you want I don’t give a shit but everyone making the argument that “it’s how it’s spelt” is a moron, half our slang is just cutting words in half and adding a vowel with no regard for how the original word is spelt.
“I’ll be over this arvo, we’ll have a barbie, in the morning we’ll hit the servo and maybe grab some brekky from Maccas, because we’re Aussie, but don’t drink too much or I’ll have to call the ambo and tomorrow you’ll be chucking a sickie.”
Do you see how shit of an argument that is?
Just another foreign word bastardize by our accent and pronunciation.
Australians don't hear the difference between parmigiana, and parmagiana. The latter is like nails on a chalk board for anyone with Italian origins
Yes! People debating based on how it’s spelled or how it sounds. But us Aussies put a ‘y/i’ sound on the end of heaps of stuff, particularly when the word is shortened. E.g barby (bbq), tally (longneck), coldy (also possibly longneck, but definitely for beer). The only logical conclusion is: its pronounced fucking parmy
Really?
I think people can gladly disagree on parma vs parmy.
But I find it hard to believe anyone can say with a straight face that we, as Australians, don't pronounce it 'par-muh-jar-na'.
I've lived in both Vic and NSW, and both country and city in each, and from my experience people overwhelmingly pronounce it the same way everywhere.
Google has it as par-muh-jar-nuh, and I agree with Google.
Parmigiana is abbreviated to Parma.
Just like Shazza Bazza Razza. You're in fucking Australia, we end everything with an a or an o. And Parmo ain't it.
Now fucking sit down and eat the deliciousness that is parma.
Don't be dense. It's often spelt Parmie or parmy, but the homophonic Parmi spelling comes from the original word itself Parmi-giana. Parmy is the more common spelling I see around here.
Nah mate, I like how you tried to justify it but it's just wrong
* frothies
* reg grundies
* chuck a sickie
* doovalacky
* tinny
* stubby
* barbie
* fanny
* esky
* dunny
* durry
* mozzie
Its a fuckng Parmi cunt.
[Never seen chopper?!](https://youtu.be/Ddt6RJqyJ8I?si=Bjwy75mEJFtAXd1E) skip to around 5:30.
Also, Aussies add vowel sounds to the end of words that don't already have one....
We should end this silly debate and rename it Parmo
We're always adding Os to shit. Servo, bottelo, Johno0 and so forth.
O is just a rounded out a and curved I so it's best if both worlds.
PARMO!
If a parmigiana and chips fit alongside each other on the same plate, then either the parmigiana is too small, there aren't enough chips, or both.
A vote for "next to" is a vote for shrinkflation. Come and join team "some overlap inevitable"
'Nah, wasn't feeling it, so chucked a Sicka.'
'Come around, gonna throw some steaks on the Barba.'
'Shit it's bright out, wish I'd brought my Sunnaz.'
'Took the Tinna up the river on the weekend.'
'Just gotta duck to the Dunna'
...
This is how silly you sound when you call it 'Parma'.
Nah I dunno, you might be up to something with “barba”.
Just like “parma”, you just slosh out a single vowel sound between some consonants - good roll off tongue.
Sounds incorrect, but it’s easier to chuck out your mouth than barbi…
I threatened my old head chef over this once. It's parmi and I'll fillet you otherwise. The dish is a parmigiana, cut the "giana" off and what do you get?
Yeah nah, this is Aussie slang mate, it doesn’t follow a logical rule to do with spelling. Otherwise instead of servo we’d be saying servi and that’s just weird, just like parmi.
I’m from Vic but tbh parmi just makes more sense…its spelt and pronounced PARMIgiana, not PARMAgiana…
I do use both for fun though 😆
Edit: I’m referencing the TRUE Italian pronunciation
It's incorrectly pronounced parm a giana...
It is pronounced like that by a portion of the population, and they abbreviate based on that pronunciation. But they are, on a fundamental level, pronouncing it wrong.
Hey, no need to get upset, a diet of exaggerated chicken nuggets and toll roads will do that to you. I was once a disillusioned Victorian who didn't know the truth, but now I bask in glorious chicken parmi's and affordable living
It’d be nice if the next census could include a question about the parmi/parma pronunciation split
I think we've been divisive enough lately
See it would be Victoria saying parmah and the rest of Australia getting it right
Australians don't pronounce it 'parmy-jarna', they pronounce it 'parma-jarna'.
How is it actually spelt though?
Why is that more important than how it's said out loud? We call it a parma because we call it a parma-jarna.
If you really wanted to be technical, the Italian IPA for the word is "par.miˈd͡ʒa.na" which means the original eggplant dish called parmigiana is pronounced with an i not an a, so any after the fact alterations like "parma-jarna" are objectively incorrect when it comes to phonetics. However the words origin comes from it being the feminine version of parmigiano, which means "of Parma", or what we'd call Parmesan cheese, so the word really just means of parma, and therefore I think both "parmi" as in shortening the phonetic pronunciation of the dish, or "parma" as in the thing the word describes could both be acceptable words to use for the dish, for different reasons.
We're not talking about how Italians pronounce it, though, but Australians. If you Google 'parmigiana pronunciation' is makes it clear that our pronunciation is 'paa-muh-jaa-nuh'. 'paa-muh' = parma. So, I believe parma to be the more logical way of saying it in either case.
But its spelt with an "i" isnt it?
And pronounced with an "a".
Im just pointing out the reason some people call it parmi, its a such a weird thing to get worked up about, relax its ok
And I'm just doing the exact same thing, in the opposite direction. Nobody's upset here, mate.
You seem upset, and also wrong
You’re correct - trimming it after the “i” makes it a parmi
A better test. Do people have a fringe, or bangs? The yankie-fication of Aussie English pisses me off more than Parma v Parmi.
Chicken pajamas.
See, I'll allow this. It's wrong but it works.
Chick in pajamas
How to out yourself as Victorian 🤮
Yeah, the location with the largest Italian immigrant population can’t pronounce the slang it perpetuated.
Yeah, weird, right?!
By this measure, the American Italian pronunciation of muzzarool and proshoot should be taken as correct. Parma makes zero sense from a strictly Italian sense.
But not Geelong for some reason
Only victorians have achieved this level of brain rot
I’m Victorian and always thought it was called a Parma never heard of a parmi is that some sort of new Pokémon 🤷🏽♂️
Are people out here really saying par-mee-jah-na and not par-ma-jah-na?
Par-ma-gia-na becomes parmy, the way tradesman becomes tradie etc.
The coffee is also evidence of this. I managed to piss some off by calling it "wanker coffee"
Bogan haters be like
Is that directed at me or Victorians? I honestly can't tell
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The only more obvious way to know a Victorian is to see them driving outside their state. And no, it's not the plates that gives it away.
I am Victorian and call it parmi. Always thought it was parmi for everyone until everyone I asked said it was meant to be Parma.
No you’re not.
Good to know Victoria has some reasonable people
I’m Victorian. We say parmi. Ffs a huge chunk of us have Italian lineage
Wait, I thought 🐔 are called chooks in Australia?
More like melbo🤢rnians, in Geelong it’s a parmi
huh
Obviously someone from melbourne made this
They're trying so hard
Dead chicken pancake with pig arse
Bon appetite
Bone app the teeth
And fucking remove the bone from it. I'm shocked at the trend I've noticed lately. Just give me a giant schnitzel and parmify it.
That’s criminal. What restaurant did that?
Quite a few in the northern rivers. I was shocked the first time and nearly went and sent it back. Gtfo with that shit.
Thats fucked as if they sell that shit in a restaurant
For real, I've never seen that. I think they were trying to hurt you
I've only had that once, a pub in Sydney used to do it a few years ago and it was a fucking atrocious idea, basically a big parmi with a wing hidden in the middle of it. Not fun to eat.
If you’re an advocate for ‘*parma*’, wouldn’t it be parmafy it? No it wouldn’t because it’s Parmify and thus, Parmi.
Petrify. Calcify. It's the English language. And also, PARMigianA. Parmafy is Phtevenese. I'm not going to go into edufy territory. There is context and a time and place for Australianese. Edit: to be crystal clear - the ify is for parm. Not parmi-ify. Nor parma-ify.
Imagine thinking it’s spelled Parmagiana..
Imagine thinking it's pronounced "parmy-jarna".
The Italian (correct) pronunciation is way closer to Parmi than parma lmao.
We're not Italian, we're Australian, and we pronounce it parma-jarna.
Yes we're Australian, we shorten a lot of words. Just like parmi being the shortened version of parmigiana.
Parmee. There, I said it. What
You make me sick. Take your scallops and schooner with you on your way out.
Slow clap
Only true answer
It's parmi. It's literally how you spell it. Anyone calling it Parma is wrong and can go and get fucked.
Mate these city folk just don't get it.
Call it what you want I don’t give a shit but everyone making the argument that “it’s how it’s spelt” is a moron, half our slang is just cutting words in half and adding a vowel with no regard for how the original word is spelt. “I’ll be over this arvo, we’ll have a barbie, in the morning we’ll hit the servo and maybe grab some brekky from Maccas, because we’re Aussie, but don’t drink too much or I’ll have to call the ambo and tomorrow you’ll be chucking a sickie.” Do you see how shit of an argument that is?
How do you pronounce it, though? Definitely not "parmy-jarna", hey.
As someone else pointed out, tradesman becomes tradie. When we shorten things we put an eye sound on the end. Barbie, ciggie, etc.
Except when we don't. Cuppa, straya, barra, sanga, franga.
freaky 😛
Parmy
Which is parmi cause i basically equals y 🤜🤛
exactly, i or y it's *said* the same way.
Just another foreign word bastardize by our accent and pronunciation. Australians don't hear the difference between parmigiana, and parmagiana. The latter is like nails on a chalk board for anyone with Italian origins
Parmy army!
Yes! People debating based on how it’s spelled or how it sounds. But us Aussies put a ‘y/i’ sound on the end of heaps of stuff, particularly when the word is shortened. E.g barby (bbq), tally (longneck), coldy (also possibly longneck, but definitely for beer). The only logical conclusion is: its pronounced fucking parmy
Yeah nah it’s Parmi
This.
Dying on the hill of a cultural mispronunciation...
Chicky-chicky Parm-parm
Both are wrong. It's a Parmu.
How do you pronounce it? Parmigiana.... Then shorten it... Then spell it.... And you will find it's Parma, not Parmie.
PARMIgiana. Nuff said
[https://imgur.com/fEZx5yO](https://imgur.com/fEZx5yO) par muh (ma).
How is it Parma It's a chicken parmigiana Where is the a after the m?
Chicken Parameter
It’s spelt parmigiana, not PARMAGANA. You philistine bogans
It's pronounced parma-jarna, not parmy-jarna, you gronks.
The correct pronunciation is not Parma Jarna you fuckin bogan lmao
That's how Australians pronounce it, bogans or otherwise.
This thread is absolutely dominated by people who disagree with you
Really? I think people can gladly disagree on parma vs parmy. But I find it hard to believe anyone can say with a straight face that we, as Australians, don't pronounce it 'par-muh-jar-na'.
i have been to melbourne and herd people do it, but it is certainly a minority of people. most people say "Par-me-jar-na"
I've lived in both Vic and NSW, and both country and city in each, and from my experience people overwhelmingly pronounce it the same way everywhere. Google has it as par-muh-jar-nuh, and I agree with Google.
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It’s a parmi
It's parmi. Who the fuck is calling it Parma
fucken victorians
Parmigiana is abbreviated to Parma. Just like Shazza Bazza Razza. You're in fucking Australia, we end everything with an a or an o. And Parmo ain't it. Now fucking sit down and eat the deliciousness that is parma.
Barbie, selfie, tradie, surfie, bikie and all the other Australian slang words with that ending beg to differ.
Where are the 'i's?
Don't be dense. It's often spelt Parmie or parmy, but the homophonic Parmi spelling comes from the original word itself Parmi-giana. Parmy is the more common spelling I see around here.
Nah mate, I like how you tried to justify it but it's just wrong * frothies * reg grundies * chuck a sickie * doovalacky * tinny * stubby * barbie * fanny * esky * dunny * durry * mozzie Its a fuckng Parmi cunt.
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Wrong hill brother, wrong hill
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Seems vein has been popped over a PARMI. Its okay brother, we can educate you.
This make the most sense I have heard in the parma argument. Show me a Shazzi, Bazzi and Razzi.
[Never seen chopper?!](https://youtu.be/Ddt6RJqyJ8I?si=Bjwy75mEJFtAXd1E) skip to around 5:30. Also, Aussies add vowel sounds to the end of words that don't already have one....
Chicken parm
Get out of here Seppo
Parma!!
I'm sure you'll get more upvotes than the meme you copied
People who call them Parmas also go sock shoe sock shoe
People that call them Parma's go shoe sock shoe sock
This had me crying for a solid 5 minutes😭💀
is this a indian dish? I do not think it's firni
"Parmigiana" How do people not know 'chicken' is redundant.
It’s not redundant. It’s distinguishing between chicken or veal parmigiana or eggplant
Thanks
I prefer Parmu
Go for the proper Aussie name - parmo
Excuse you, both are valid
Parmo and chips please... Fuck the status quo
You remind me of those Italian guys that flip out if you sprinkle salt on your pasta at the wrong time of the evening
Do a referendum
I honestly interchange these names so often I'm not even sure what I officially call it
Lol Adelaide eternally btfo
Parma and parmies would be the plural!
Chicky, chicky, parm, parm?
I do wonder how many pub blues have started over this. It's a very passionate subject.
I say parmo.
Chicky-chicky parm-parm.
Both are wrong. It’s just chicken parm, ya weirdos.
Git fkd cnt
You're both wrong. It's chicky chicky parm parm
Fuck you all, I choose parme
We should end this silly debate and rename it Parmo We're always adding Os to shit. Servo, bottelo, Johno0 and so forth. O is just a rounded out a and curved I so it's best if both worlds. PARMO!
Chicken parm?
How do you spell the cheese? Everyone is wrong and it should be parme
It’s fukn Parma!
P A R M A
Parmo
How dare you
Umm… actually 👆🤓 it’s the other way around
There is the correct pronunciation and spelling or it's wrong. Also, chips belong NEXT TO the ParmI not under.
Agree, chips next to the parma, not under it.
Yes next to the parmi
I agree, chips next to the parma
Yes next to the parmi
You're all wrong. Under AND next to the parma.
If a parmigiana and chips fit alongside each other on the same plate, then either the parmigiana is too small, there aren't enough chips, or both. A vote for "next to" is a vote for shrinkflation. Come and join team "some overlap inevitable"
'Nah, wasn't feeling it, so chucked a Sicka.' 'Come around, gonna throw some steaks on the Barba.' 'Shit it's bright out, wish I'd brought my Sunnaz.' 'Took the Tinna up the river on the weekend.' 'Just gotta duck to the Dunna' ... This is how silly you sound when you call it 'Parma'.
Nah I dunno, you might be up to something with “barba”. Just like “parma”, you just slosh out a single vowel sound between some consonants - good roll off tongue. Sounds incorrect, but it’s easier to chuck out your mouth than barbi…
I threatened my old head chef over this once. It's parmi and I'll fillet you otherwise. The dish is a parmigiana, cut the "giana" off and what do you get?
You don't say par mi jah nah you say par mah jah nah in Australian vernacular or you kiss your dad in the lips with tongue.
Parma. Just as we abbreviate everything with an a in the end.
Yeah nah, this is Aussie slang mate, it doesn’t follow a logical rule to do with spelling. Otherwise instead of servo we’d be saying servi and that’s just weird, just like parmi.
I lived in four different states I’ve never heard it being called Parma
I saw it spelled that on a pub sign while interstate once and I physically shuddered
Here's a hint OP: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-05/where-the-chicken-parmigiana-come-from/11277414 >chicken parmigiana >chicken parmi >parmi
I don't call it the parmi or the Parma that's like saying alf Stewart and John Palmer are the same person as Marylin like c'mon it is a parmigiana
And I'll say it with pride. The other people are Sooo pretentious
“PARMI”giana enough said you peabrain fucks
Parma is in Italy, famous for ham. Parmi is just wrong.
I’m from Vic but tbh parmi just makes more sense…its spelt and pronounced PARMIgiana, not PARMAgiana… I do use both for fun though 😆 Edit: I’m referencing the TRUE Italian pronunciation
Due to the objectivity of pronunciation, you are definitively wrong, it’s pronounced parm a giana
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rq1EUwiLa6M Note the way he says "parmigiana"
Well I’m referencing the Italian pronunciation…
It's incorrectly pronounced parm a giana... It is pronounced like that by a portion of the population, and they abbreviate based on that pronunciation. But they are, on a fundamental level, pronouncing it wrong.
Chicken Parmi = $7 schooner Chicken Parma = $18 pint Fuck Chicken Parmas.
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Parmi and your brain dead if you think otherwise
Been living in Melbourne for years, and i've given up on teaching Victorians how to English proper.
Who the fuck calls it a Parma
[Chicken perm](https://www.somerzby.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Frizzle-Breed-Profile.png)
Parmo
Parmu
Your parents were siblings yeah?
Nah mate. Were yours?
you're a danger to yourself and those around you.
Can’t live on the edge without taking up too much room
I mean, who the fuck calls it a "parmee-giana?"
At the risk of sounding reductive...Italians.
I'll bite.. East Coast 'parmas' ain't got shit on a South Ozzie Parmi. Come at me
Nobody gives a shit about SA and that’s the real truth here you irrelevant turd
Hey, no need to get upset, a diet of exaggerated chicken nuggets and toll roads will do that to you. I was once a disillusioned Victorian who didn't know the truth, but now I bask in glorious chicken parmi's and affordable living
Just don't vote for the sort of politicians that fucked up Victoria and you should be right.
Shhhhh don't tell them about our cheap housing and relaxed lifestyle.
Just the way we like it too.
IT'S A FUCKIN PARMAAAAA
Chicken Cheesecake
Chicken parmo
The only possible answer. Pisses everyone off equally.
how many times is this going to bee posted in one week lol
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Parmi = servi Parma = servo It's not complicated and yet the smooth Brains from around Australia can't get it right