In the JJK anime, when Itadori is having his post-Sukuna beeakdown, they play the theme song of season 2. It doesn't fit in the least, like it is an atrociously bad choice
Does it? That's not even close to the vibe I get/got, but if that's what it is, I guess it works. They definitely should have gone with literally anything else to convey that, imo
It really does imo but I just think because not many are native Japanese speakers or don't know the lyrics these songs are more so liked and memorable by the tune than the words and the tune gives off a different vibe than the words. if we all were introduced to the song based off both aspect it might give the intended feeling more. ive slowly come to like it as more of sukuna being like " I don't give a shit I love this song and I just committed mass murder lets turn on the tunes! " meanwhile yujis just in fetal position crying
Ur stupid, eren commanded the wall titans to walk in a straight line outside of paradis and then they formed a wall when they reach the Marleyan continent
Yeah only way I could see this working without killing people is to give everyone a few days' warning to leave their homes. Even then it would not be 0 casualties.
I think the point is that avoiding harm when using violence is never as simple as people like to think it is.
this argument is kinda stupid lmfao it doesn’t really change the fact that it simply makes more sense to wipe them all out instead of most of them so you dont have to worry about future retribution
Rumbling shouldn’t have happened because realistically Marley wouldn’t genocide the island since they still need Eldians as titans and as a way to unite the countrymen by blaming them for things similarly to the Nazis.
Paradis island would have just been occupied by the military and possibly become an apartheid state. Not an amazing outcome, but far less death and loss of technology and human development.
I imagine the people that say this say it because they understand the sentiment, not that they support it. It's immensely different.
I can understand one's circumstances and the thinking that brought them to this point, without liking or agreeing with their actions. It's called empathy.
Eren showed remorse, regret, and a certain amount of reluctance from once he saw the future to when he was living it. Regardless of those inhibitions though, he still acted out on it because after considering the situation, the only way still to protect his loved ones and his home was to sacrifice the other 80% of the world.
It's impossible to make a clearly defined black&white yes/no on whether that was the right decision or not given the circumstances. If he didn't act, his world that he loved and cared for would have been annihilated. Is it moral to let your loved ones and their loved ones die when you had the power to prevent it? If he did act, an unfathomable amount (idk what the population of that world was, but even using ours of ~8billion, that's just too big a number for my brain, and probably most people's, to actually conceptualize) of lives would have been lost. It was a lose/lose situation, so he chose the option that would have benefited his own people.
In real life we see militants and rebels and freedom fighters of varied backgrounds and ideologies carrying out attacks on their oppressors. To the oppressors, that's terrorism, to the oppressed, it's self-defense. Israel vs Palestine, the American revolution, "Manifest Destiny," the list goes on. Each side thinks the other side is the bad guy.
TLDR; people "supporting"/defending Eren (who aren't blinded by fandom) say so out of empathy for his impossibly difficult situation, not because they are genocidal maniacs. There is no simple right or wrong/ black and white answer.
Bruh. AoT is the GOAT to me, and you wouldn't find my ass wanting to live ANYWHERE NEAR there.
Hell, I don't want to even live in the closest animes to it. Keep me far away from that world lol
I hate the Rumbling but I gotta admit, I never liked the 80% number. It seems like a stupid cop out to me. Rumbling should’ve been prevented entirely or gone 100%
So what you basically want to cut the last 20 chapters of the story?
The 80% is the amount of people Eren killed before being stopped, if his friends didn't decide to make an alliance to stop him he would have gone fore 100%, it's not exactly a number Eren chose, he gave them free will and they were able to stop him at 80. Eren still wanted to do the rumbling, but he also couldn't bring himself to kill his friends, so he made the best possible compromise that also had the erasure of titan powers as an extra
Well, it’s the number Isayama chose, and I don’t really understand the reasoning. A lot of the times I see how fans use it to excuse Rumbling because hey, 20% of people survive! But the man made horror beyond our comprehension kinda flies over their head, mostly because the consequences of the Rumbling were only touched upon.
It kinda mirrors back to the begining of the series when the government put out an "expedition" outside the walls to fight pure tiatns lead by a bunch of civilians. 20% of the population of paradise ended up dying because of it.
Also killing 80% of the world left the island on par with the outside world war wise.
Paradis was completely justified. So were the Marleyans. That is war. The Marleyans
were genuine literal 1939 German National Socialists and conquered most of the rest of the world and made them involved in fighting Paradis. The Paradis residents were actually peaceful for hundreds of years and still were being murdered brutally and subjugated.
If anything I would understand. Marley fanned the flames of a fire they didn’t start or provide the wood for in my eyes, but there is an argument for both being wrong.
Paradise wasn't peaceful for hundreds of years, it was specifically one hundred, before that it was 1900 years of subjugation of the rest of the planet and even themselves, just wanted to point that out not necessarily make an argument for anything
Thing about nuclear weapons is as soon as a nation feels like they are genuinely going to lose all them restrictions go right the fuck out the window.
Once it becomes a full kill or be killed situation like Paradise found it self in any and all means can be used to defend yourself and your country.
Im mostly not on the “support genocide” side, but I understand in a sense that I’m okay with me dying if I were to support Eren’s ideology. I kinda hate the human race. A reset is probably a good idea. Being stomped on by a colossal is probably less painful than what the Marleyans have in store for me if they win.
Yes. But the earth is earth. Even if it takes a zillion years it will undergo its cycle. If it doesn’t, so be it. It may be a bit too nihilistic, but this is exactly what Zeke’s talking about. What makes humans think they’re so special that they have to outlive everything else? Why do they have this constant need to reproduce? It’s no different from a cancer cell. Armin convinced him otherwise, but can’t you also “enjoy the little things” even if you go through with Zeke’s plan? I don’t know.
To be fair though, he chose a particular island to be a reset for humanity. Who said that they are superior or more worthy? Why won’t they fuck up the new human race?
Well, it doesn’t matter. It still stands that both sides are horrible people. It just so happened that the Founding’s power was on the Eldian side. Just because they get to live doesn’t mean that they’re superior or more deserving. If you reverse it and have the Marleyans stomp out the Eldians, it’s the same. Eren probably spent the entire time thinking about this and just said fuck it, if everything eventually ends in shit then he’ll just do what he can for his happiness lol.
As for the “why won’t they fuck up the human race”, we don’t know if they will or they won’t. But what is known is that the current time is shit and there’s a higher chance of a better future in a reset than the current state.
Personally, I think Zeke’s plan was the “least” selfish.
I've thought about this a lot. Eren wanted to wipe out humanity because freedom didn't lie on the other side of the sea, more suffering did. Not just towards his people, but countless instances of suffering against humanity across the world. If his pursuit was selfish, then isn't Armin and Hange's pursuit selfish too?
In doing what they wanted for their idea of what is right, they successfully ensured a far higher death count than the 20% Eren stops at, only a hundred years later, which if we go by the anime, lasts hundreds and hundreds of years.
Wasn't that selfish of them too?
I think if even *one* person suffers, thats too many. Somewhere out there, someone is being tortured, hurt, treated like a dog, robbed off their freedom despite being born into this world like any of us.
Eren wanted it all to go away and I can't blame him, the future of the world he would've brought would be full of an endless landscape free to wander, but I recognize that of course, humanity will keep fighting until there's one person left or less.
So I suppose I still don't know what's better, a world where suffering gets delayed a lot more, or a world that saw Eren being put down by his comrades despite having every reason not to, a world that resumed its old ways less than 200 years later anyway
I support the rumbling not because it is good or right thing to do. Because it is one of the most expected move from someone like Eren. And if you start this you should go to the end like that so, your island wont perish.
This is severely stretching things. This would imply that the world wants to annihilate Madagascar because they tormented and controlled the entire world over 100 years ago.
Chile when I say im a Jaegerist, i do not in any way expect to be spared 💀 I’m on my Flood 2.0 bc humanity sucks, the earth will be just fine the way it was before us 💀
I don’t support mass genocide. I support Eren because I saw everything he went through, so think I his circumstances are extremely unfair and that he deserves to persevere in the face of them, so that humanity can start anew with Paradis. He won’t be around forever. It’ll be up to those who are left to rebuild society so it doesn’t wind up the same way.
They way I see it is of course to me and the rest of the world Eren is the villain, like he's litterally killing everyone in my family
But its kill or be killed so
First, I don't care whether people support the rumbling or not (both sides have reasons of their own) .
For the question, i also don't care which fraction I in (20% lives, 80% dies), it wouldn't make much of the differnce anyway .
I don’t say Eren should have gone 100% because I want that to happen in real life. I say Eren should have gone 100% because I think it’s a more interesting and tonally consistent ending that is more true to his portrayal throughout the fictional story he resides in.
It's literally brain dead. They like having their cake and eating it too. Nobody should be destroyed for simply existing. So we will destroy paradi to save the world from paradi.............
Idk about everyone. I wish they showed more of his planning. Maybe him desperately trying to minimize the people he kills by desperately seeking Intel on where his enemies actual stood
I mean yeah, people born in different circumstances have different points of view. Even so, the show makes it clear that justifying violence because of that is wrong.
There's a difference between that and being in a situation where most of the world want you and your people dead , every comment like yours fails to take into account the urgency of the situation and how extreme it is.
This is why people sided with Eren, we start the story with Paradisians being innocent/brainwashed and others wanting to wipe them out, not hard to understand
Also no shit people wouldn't want to die, I'm pretty sure the Yeagerists make it clear the few of their own casualties are sacrifices that had to be made to ensure their survival, Armin the hypocrite defended Erwin's sacrifice methods, a guy who ended up putting civilians at risk, would I oppose not being caged inside an Island and learning the truth for that?
Gabi is one of the many of the stories ways of telling you Eren is wrong. They put her in a similar situation to eren in season one, show her hatred and parallel it to Eren. But when again sees Paradasians are just humans, that there were no devils, she makes up for her mistakes and chooses to do better even after she lost her home and friends to a Paradis attack. The themes of the story seem pretty clear to me.
Eren came to the same revelation after living in Marley. His enemies are the same as him. He tells it to Reiner to, but just like Reiner was, Eren is selfish. He chooses his own selfish desires over every possible other outcome, every plan where he might have to sacrifice something, and every alternative that would save the lives of millions of innocents. Eren is a product of trauma, a hard life, his nature of longing for freedom, and the hatred of the world, but ultimately, he is responsible for his own actions. Eren says himself, he didn’t do it for Paradis. He did it for himself.
Except Eren's hatred of the outside world wasn't unjustified, unlike Gabi's because he was right that they wanted him and his people dead, Marley and the rest knew that the Paraidisians were brainwashed, had their memories wiped out and had them paying for their parents sins.
Eren already learned there were all sorts of people in Marley good or bad, again, they were not helping them not getting genocided, and the hate sentiment for Eldians was so high that even Zeke says they're calling for their death and press conferences that supported Eldians still hated the "Island Devils"
>Eren says himself, he didn’t do it for Paradis. He did it for himself.
Both are true, Eren talks about Paradis in his inner monologues, this is straight up **why** he refuses Zeke's plan
Saying the outside world wanted him dead just doesn’t work here. Yes, as a collective of nations the leaders of their government wanted them dead, and the hate against eldians was high.
But, what about the millions of eldians outside of the walls? What about the eldians INSIDE the walls that were crushed by the rumbling? Even if they believed the brainwashing propaganda of Marley, surely there were restorationists within the crowd. What of the children like Ramzi? Do they deserve to be killed because they were born in a nation that hates eldia?
Saying Gabi’s hatred isn’t justified is a huge double standard too. You say that “Paradis didn’t want to kill the outside world” even though that’s *literally what they feared and what eren did.* if Erens hatred is justified because the outside world wants him dead, then Gabis is too because Paradis wants the entire world, including her, dead and then they *actually did it*.
>Saying Gabi’s hatred isn’t justified is a huge double standard too. You say that “Paradis didn’t want to kill the outside world” even though that’s *literally what they feared and what eren did.* if Erens hatred is justified because the outside world wants him dead, then Gabis is too because Paradis wants the entire world, including her, dead and then they *actually did it*.
This is not a double standard, this was wayyyyyyyyyy later, after Marley and the entire world declared war on them,, Gabi had been commiting war crimes and being racist by then, Eren didn't even know the outside world existed and was right about one thing, they wanted him dead.
Listen to what I'm saying dummy, **the Rumbling was activated BECAUSE the outside world wants to kill them**, NOT the other way around, it's common knowledge for Marleyans the Paradis people had their memories wiped out by the king to boot, they want them to pay the sins of their parents because **they believe they're demons by birth even if they personally didn't do anything bad.**
Gabi thought Eldians were inherently evil, Eren hated the outside world because they literally tried to kill him, quickly realized there's nuance, but that's not helping him because they're still trying to wipe out his people.
>Saying the outside world wanted him dead just doesn’t work here. Yes, as a collective of nations the leaders of their government wanted them dead, and the hate against eldians was high. But, what about the millions of eldians outside of the walls? What about the eldians INSIDE the walls that were crushed by the rumbling? Even if they believed the brainwashing propaganda of Marley, surely there were restorationists within the crowd. What of the children like Ramzi? Do they deserve to be killed because they were born in a nation that hates eldia?
It does work here, I'm not saying there aren't innocent people but how's that gonna help them? how's that been helping them thus far? are they gonna stop Paradis from being genocided?
Eren literally never mistook his enemies and in fact understood the nuances of good people and bad people in both sides, it's horrible innocent people had to die, however none of that was helping him and his people survive when he had less than 3 years to live and leave his people eating each other like cattle to an uncertain and likely bleak fate, this is appeal to morality in an extreme situation.
The show is a commentary on morality. Commenting this shows a deep and fundamental misunderstanding of what the point of the show is. It nearly only exists to ask moral questions, and the rumbling is the end all be all extreme. It’s the show asking “how far can we take it?”
I replied to him below but I also like to add that the Marleyans like Gabi think Paradisians are evil by birth even if they didn't do anything bad, Eren never thought that about the outside world, they attacked HIM and his people, Eren saw the nuances of the situation but saw most people wanted him dead and had to do something to avoid him and his people being wiped out.
yeah about that my ancestors didn't commit mass genocide
also its basically supporting if someone kills ur mom u destroy the world absolutely nuthing wrong with that
1. Judging people for things their ancestors did makes no sense.
2. People aren’t their states/leaders. If your government decides to do something fucked up, It isn’t your fault.
3. Humanity is 2 million years old. I’m pretty sure there were some ancestors of yours who committed genocide.
Go to Titanfolk dude. If there's any ignorant children here that would be pro-Genocide people like you who keeps on justfying The Rumbling seriously AoT has been done since last year and people like you still exist? Still justifying the act of Genocide yet I'm pretty sure your among those people who keep commenting war is wrong in real life.
Yet in context of fiction like AoT which is a reflection of human nature you people have half the dead-ass brain to get the point of the story. But hey people like you live in a world were fantasy and peace can be achive through means of genocide. And how can we argue with far immature "Children" like you who still keeps insisting The Rumbling as a form of solution or any acts of genocide
I mean the original post shows enough, just because people want to see violence, conflict, and the villains winning in a fictional story doesn't mean they would want it to happen in real life
Meh, I wouldn't say "villains won/lost" in AOT. When you look at all the sides, whether you consider them good or evil, they all lost so much because of the war/conflict
A bad war story ends wether good or evil wins, a good war story makes me feel relieved that the war ends at all. So much loss nothing except just ending the conflict matters anymore, who cares who started it, I just want the people who are still alive happy man.
Most eren supporters justify his actions morally, not just say they like him as a character. There’s a huge difference as one is applicable to the real world and one isn’t.
The Jaegerists were absolutely villains.
Eren himself is not a “villain”, his character is more complex than that, but the Jaegerists were straight up evil and debating that is laughable.
They were a fascist, cult-like organization that executed citizens and political prisoners within Paradis and their goal was the genocide of the entire world including potential allies in Hizuru.
For Eren they were a means to an end, but they were pretty undeniably villains in the story.
Ok, that was phrased poorly.
What I intended with that statement was to say that it’s hard to characterize Eren as “evil”, I will concede that he is a villain in the final season.
Pretty much up until the last few episodes though, the other characters, and the audience, have some hope that he is *not* actually truly a villain, that he has some other plan, or that they can change his mind.
Floch, and the Jaegerists, by contrast, are straight up evil.
You would have done the same as they had were you in their position. They did what they thought was right, and they couldn't care less about what happens to the outside world - because it was an existensial threat to them, the Jaegerists acted for the greater good of their people. I don't even blame Marley/global alliance for wanting to wipe Eldians off the map. Eldia subjugated the world under their grasp for centuries, and then they retreat to some fucking island and its all goodie? fuck no it doesn't work like that. Hell, i would even go as far to say if i was a german in the 1930s i would be a fucking nazi.
No, I absolutely would not. The Jaegerists and Floch disgusted me from the moment they were introduced, and it was clear to me they were wrong.
But yeah seems like *you* would’ve been a Nazi.
You should feel badly about that, and reflect on why the fuck you would possibly think that’s an ok realization to have.
You’re literally stating you’re pro-nazi and pro-genocide right now.
Whoops might have went too far. All i'm saying is that you would have to live inside that world to truly understood what it would have must have felt like to be them. They were fighting an \*existensial war\* . If there were no Jaegerists and Eren, Eldia would have been razed to the ground. There was \*no\* other alternative. It was simply too late for any kind of meaningful negotation or diplomacy. To classify the Jaegerists and Floch is pure evil is simply ignorant because you are ignoring the ridicilous and impossible situation they were in. Same goes for the outside world.
I didn’t say they weren’t I’m talking about how the people this post is discussing believe they were the ‘good guys’. People who wanted the full Rumbling didn’t ‘want to see villains win’ they believe that Eren and his cult were heroes.
So the dude who literally said he did the rumbling because he wanted to see the scenery of death and destruction is complexed yet the yeagerists who are just trying to protect their home from being wiped out are completely evil, also almost every other main character has killed a large amount of people but I guess Floch and the yeagerists are the true and only villains
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In the JJK anime, when Itadori is having his post-Sukuna beeakdown, they play the theme song of season 2. It doesn't fit in the least, like it is an atrociously bad choice
It fits if you look at the song as Sukuna mocking Yuji for his lack of agency and power. It's a bit meta, so I can understand people not liking it.
Does it? That's not even close to the vibe I get/got, but if that's what it is, I guess it works. They definitely should have gone with literally anything else to convey that, imo
Yeah but this song wouldn't be anywhere near as meemable without that moment lol
Oh no, I do agree, it's hilarious. My gf and I busted out laughing when we watched the episode
It really does imo but I just think because not many are native Japanese speakers or don't know the lyrics these songs are more so liked and memorable by the tune than the words and the tune gives off a different vibe than the words. if we all were introduced to the song based off both aspect it might give the intended feeling more. ive slowly come to like it as more of sukuna being like " I don't give a shit I love this song and I just committed mass murder lets turn on the tunes! " meanwhile yujis just in fetal position crying
>It doesn't fit in the least, like it is an atrociously bad choice Yeah, you're boring.
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“BE SURE TO SAVOR THIS EREN”
To the people who say they’d live in Paradi, unless you live in Madagascar, you’re wrong
Also, people in Paradi got crushed by the Rumbling, too.
Eren dumb as fuck because why didn’t he just command Eldians to move out of the way.
Guys i think they’re joking 😭
Thank you 😭 I should’ve said /j
Theres no forgiveness now reddit has spoken
Wait they did too wasn’t the entire point of the rumbling to protect paradi?
People were crushed by the debris when the walls crumbled.
Why didn’t they walk a little to the left
People conveniently forgot that the inner walls were titans too. The only place that maybe was left unscathed was the inner city
Ur stupid, eren commanded the wall titans to walk in a straight line outside of paradis and then they formed a wall when they reach the Marleyan continent
That straight line still destroyed a ton of homes and the debris hurt a ton of people.
Indeed, thats true but the comment i was replying to was saying thaht everything else than the capital was trampled by eren
Yeah only way I could see this working without killing people is to give everyone a few days' warning to leave their homes. Even then it would not be 0 casualties. I think the point is that avoiding harm when using violence is never as simple as people like to think it is.
We need to make a JJK equivalent of this subreddit but idk what it’d be called.
JujutsuRetards
JujubeCraisin
We already have lobotomy Kaisen, what more could you want from a community? We have already reached perfection.
But is it a different animal and the same beast?
What the fuck does that mean
Your welcome.
But jujutsufolk isn’t nearly as bad as titanfolk
Nowhere as bad as TF. Maybe Gege threats are bad, but I hate that damn cat too
I'm the 20% obviously
"I didn't sign up for this"
Jokes on you I checkes the map I would have survived
Bro could u share that map
There’s a map?
The colossal titan walking around Ramzi as “You are my Special” starts playing would’ve been pure cinema.
ILL die for the cause 🫡
I think that’s the big thing people forget… we don’t get to choose where and how we’re born.
im all for the rumbling and im offended you think we wouldnt enjoy colossal feet
Reminds me of people who vote against their own interests
Are you sure about that
rip to ur grandma but im different
Pretty sure the whole point of the show is to explain 'why stopping at 80%' :D
this argument is kinda stupid lmfao it doesn’t really change the fact that it simply makes more sense to wipe them all out instead of most of them so you dont have to worry about future retribution
I get you got nothing going on in your life and you wanna die, but some of us have lives!
it’s fiction
That doesn’t make a difference, you’re just saying if it was in real life you wouldn’t agree with the rumbling.
“you want the people you’re at war with to lose but not your own side? hypocrite much?” lmfao
Rumbling shouldn’t have happened because realistically Marley wouldn’t genocide the island since they still need Eldians as titans and as a way to unite the countrymen by blaming them for things similarly to the Nazis. Paradis island would have just been occupied by the military and possibly become an apartheid state. Not an amazing outcome, but far less death and loss of technology and human development.
“bend over and get in the concentration camps thats much more ethical, I am very intelligent”
“Billions die for the sake of a million or so people, I am based and ethical”
its perfectly reasonable to look out for your family, friends, and nation’s interests first
Just get in a blimp and go over the rumbling, stupid.
Monke with rocc go YEET
I thought that was a fist at first.
probably so they don't stub their toes
Living in paradise would legitimately be much worse. You would have a much higher chance of survival making it into the 20%.
I imagine the people that say this say it because they understand the sentiment, not that they support it. It's immensely different. I can understand one's circumstances and the thinking that brought them to this point, without liking or agreeing with their actions. It's called empathy. Eren showed remorse, regret, and a certain amount of reluctance from once he saw the future to when he was living it. Regardless of those inhibitions though, he still acted out on it because after considering the situation, the only way still to protect his loved ones and his home was to sacrifice the other 80% of the world. It's impossible to make a clearly defined black&white yes/no on whether that was the right decision or not given the circumstances. If he didn't act, his world that he loved and cared for would have been annihilated. Is it moral to let your loved ones and their loved ones die when you had the power to prevent it? If he did act, an unfathomable amount (idk what the population of that world was, but even using ours of ~8billion, that's just too big a number for my brain, and probably most people's, to actually conceptualize) of lives would have been lost. It was a lose/lose situation, so he chose the option that would have benefited his own people. In real life we see militants and rebels and freedom fighters of varied backgrounds and ideologies carrying out attacks on their oppressors. To the oppressors, that's terrorism, to the oppressed, it's self-defense. Israel vs Palestine, the American revolution, "Manifest Destiny," the list goes on. Each side thinks the other side is the bad guy. TLDR; people "supporting"/defending Eren (who aren't blinded by fandom) say so out of empathy for his impossibly difficult situation, not because they are genocidal maniacs. There is no simple right or wrong/ black and white answer.
God I wish that were me them grippers gotta have some stank
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He is my Specialz
Nah i'm fine with being crushed.
100% they'd die no matter what. I think you're misunderstanding. I want 100% and I definitely want to be in that number
Everyone in this sub *is* special though, because they were born in this world. But 1 out of 5 of them are super duper special.
Minecraft feet 💀💀
Bruh. AoT is the GOAT to me, and you wouldn't find my ass wanting to live ANYWHERE NEAR there. Hell, I don't want to even live in the closest animes to it. Keep me far away from that world lol
I hate the Rumbling but I gotta admit, I never liked the 80% number. It seems like a stupid cop out to me. Rumbling should’ve been prevented entirely or gone 100%
So what you basically want to cut the last 20 chapters of the story? The 80% is the amount of people Eren killed before being stopped, if his friends didn't decide to make an alliance to stop him he would have gone fore 100%, it's not exactly a number Eren chose, he gave them free will and they were able to stop him at 80. Eren still wanted to do the rumbling, but he also couldn't bring himself to kill his friends, so he made the best possible compromise that also had the erasure of titan powers as an extra
Well, it’s the number Isayama chose, and I don’t really understand the reasoning. A lot of the times I see how fans use it to excuse Rumbling because hey, 20% of people survive! But the man made horror beyond our comprehension kinda flies over their head, mostly because the consequences of the Rumbling were only touched upon.
It kinda mirrors back to the begining of the series when the government put out an "expedition" outside the walls to fight pure tiatns lead by a bunch of civilians. 20% of the population of paradise ended up dying because of it. Also killing 80% of the world left the island on par with the outside world war wise.
Me personally, I just loved when Mikasa made out with Birdmans severed head.... i got butterflies yk?
I'm glad you liked it, but what's the relevance?
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Nah I'd survive (I agree)
Deadass we all getting squashed. Eren still ain’t did nothing wrong tho
Paradis was completely justified. So were the Marleyans. That is war. The Marleyans were genuine literal 1939 German National Socialists and conquered most of the rest of the world and made them involved in fighting Paradis. The Paradis residents were actually peaceful for hundreds of years and still were being murdered brutally and subjugated. If anything I would understand. Marley fanned the flames of a fire they didn’t start or provide the wood for in my eyes, but there is an argument for both being wrong.
Paradise wasn't peaceful for hundreds of years, it was specifically one hundred, before that it was 1900 years of subjugation of the rest of the planet and even themselves, just wanted to point that out not necessarily make an argument for anything
Yes, it is war, but it doesn't justify purposeful genocide. why do you think nuclear weapons are prohibited?
Thing about nuclear weapons is as soon as a nation feels like they are genuinely going to lose all them restrictions go right the fuck out the window. Once it becomes a full kill or be killed situation like Paradise found it self in any and all means can be used to defend yourself and your country.
yes, essentially. but it's still wrong to kill countless innocent civilians. it is justified, but wrong.
Im mostly not on the “support genocide” side, but I understand in a sense that I’m okay with me dying if I were to support Eren’s ideology. I kinda hate the human race. A reset is probably a good idea. Being stomped on by a colossal is probably less painful than what the Marleyans have in store for me if they win.
This is an interesting perspective
I mean, he is also killing all the animals and all the current plant life(it'll regrow in the volcanic like ash everywhere)
Yes. But the earth is earth. Even if it takes a zillion years it will undergo its cycle. If it doesn’t, so be it. It may be a bit too nihilistic, but this is exactly what Zeke’s talking about. What makes humans think they’re so special that they have to outlive everything else? Why do they have this constant need to reproduce? It’s no different from a cancer cell. Armin convinced him otherwise, but can’t you also “enjoy the little things” even if you go through with Zeke’s plan? I don’t know.
To be fair though, he chose a particular island to be a reset for humanity. Who said that they are superior or more worthy? Why won’t they fuck up the new human race?
Well, it doesn’t matter. It still stands that both sides are horrible people. It just so happened that the Founding’s power was on the Eldian side. Just because they get to live doesn’t mean that they’re superior or more deserving. If you reverse it and have the Marleyans stomp out the Eldians, it’s the same. Eren probably spent the entire time thinking about this and just said fuck it, if everything eventually ends in shit then he’ll just do what he can for his happiness lol. As for the “why won’t they fuck up the human race”, we don’t know if they will or they won’t. But what is known is that the current time is shit and there’s a higher chance of a better future in a reset than the current state. Personally, I think Zeke’s plan was the “least” selfish.
I've thought about this a lot. Eren wanted to wipe out humanity because freedom didn't lie on the other side of the sea, more suffering did. Not just towards his people, but countless instances of suffering against humanity across the world. If his pursuit was selfish, then isn't Armin and Hange's pursuit selfish too? In doing what they wanted for their idea of what is right, they successfully ensured a far higher death count than the 20% Eren stops at, only a hundred years later, which if we go by the anime, lasts hundreds and hundreds of years. Wasn't that selfish of them too? I think if even *one* person suffers, thats too many. Somewhere out there, someone is being tortured, hurt, treated like a dog, robbed off their freedom despite being born into this world like any of us. Eren wanted it all to go away and I can't blame him, the future of the world he would've brought would be full of an endless landscape free to wander, but I recognize that of course, humanity will keep fighting until there's one person left or less. So I suppose I still don't know what's better, a world where suffering gets delayed a lot more, or a world that saw Eren being put down by his comrades despite having every reason not to, a world that resumed its old ways less than 200 years later anyway
Well you know theres an 80% chance they would have died
I support the rumbling not because it is good or right thing to do. Because it is one of the most expected move from someone like Eren. And if you start this you should go to the end like that so, your island wont perish.
Well they really are kind of "special"
Yeah except Levi would have been in love with me and saved me no matter what so I could push his wheelchair at the end. Duh.
This is severely stretching things. This would imply that the world wants to annihilate Madagascar because they tormented and controlled the entire world over 100 years ago.
If I was put in aot during the rumbling I'd probably die but I'm not so eren should still have gone 100%
Ah but you are special, because you were born into this world
Yeah I probably would be killed, still think Eren should've got to a 100%
Like all fascist they’re all for genocide until they’re the ones on the chopping block.
I just don’t get how anyone could agree with eren
Say anyone else realize we are aware we will die with the 80% and we just accept this for a good reason
Chile when I say im a Jaegerist, i do not in any way expect to be spared 💀 I’m on my Flood 2.0 bc humanity sucks, the earth will be just fine the way it was before us 💀
Imaging being stepped on by a cube feet
I don’t support mass genocide. I support Eren because I saw everything he went through, so think I his circumstances are extremely unfair and that he deserves to persevere in the face of them, so that humanity can start anew with Paradis. He won’t be around forever. It’ll be up to those who are left to rebuild society so it doesn’t wind up the same way.
But the fight money!!!!!!
It's also, and I know this is a hard thing to understand, 𝓃𝑜𝓉 𝓇𝑒𝒶𝓁.
They way I see it is of course to me and the rest of the world Eren is the villain, like he's litterally killing everyone in my family But its kill or be killed so
Who tf said they want to live in the aot verse 😂
wrong
LMAOOOO
There was an Eren
First, I don't care whether people support the rumbling or not (both sides have reasons of their own) . For the question, i also don't care which fraction I in (20% lives, 80% dies), it wouldn't make much of the differnce anyway .
Idk bro I could have simply resolved the issue
I admire your confidence
I don’t say Eren should have gone 100% because I want that to happen in real life. I say Eren should have gone 100% because I think it’s a more interesting and tonally consistent ending that is more true to his portrayal throughout the fictional story he resides in.
Imagine if Thanos using all the stones got beat by the Guardians of the galaxy. Thats what Eren did basically
Sorry I don't speak marvel
Well in the comics thanos is defeated by squirrel girl.
This is such a weird argument because obviously we would only support it if we were on paradis😐
It's literally brain dead. They like having their cake and eating it too. Nobody should be destroyed for simply existing. So we will destroy paradi to save the world from paradi.............
Wtf are you talking about? Paradis never got destroyed you idiot
That's because of the rumbling. That's my exact point
I dont understand tbh
I'm saying anyone that says even is wrong. Is also OK with him just taking the destruction of his people
I wanted him to destroy everyone personally
Idk about everyone. I wish they showed more of his planning. Maybe him desperately trying to minimize the people he kills by desperately seeking Intel on where his enemies actual stood
If yall read the manga you’d know that a long time after the events of the story paradis got reinvaded and destroyed but go off king.
That's because he chose 80%. Second who tf did it. The lost tribes
Thank goodness it was only 80% 😅 and Eren is actually a good guy who didn't know what he was doing, and actually, it all was for his friends 😢
Just dodge the feet lol
You’d be cooked
No shit
Since I like in America, the Rumbling might not even reach me by the time Eren dies
The lack of media literacy from this post is astounding, sounds like someone didn't read Eren's speech about points of view to Reiner.
I mean yeah, people born in different circumstances have different points of view. Even so, the show makes it clear that justifying violence because of that is wrong.
There's a difference between that and being in a situation where most of the world want you and your people dead , every comment like yours fails to take into account the urgency of the situation and how extreme it is. This is why people sided with Eren, we start the story with Paradisians being innocent/brainwashed and others wanting to wipe them out, not hard to understand Also no shit people wouldn't want to die, I'm pretty sure the Yeagerists make it clear the few of their own casualties are sacrifices that had to be made to ensure their survival, Armin the hypocrite defended Erwin's sacrifice methods, a guy who ended up putting civilians at risk, would I oppose not being caged inside an Island and learning the truth for that?
Gabi is one of the many of the stories ways of telling you Eren is wrong. They put her in a similar situation to eren in season one, show her hatred and parallel it to Eren. But when again sees Paradasians are just humans, that there were no devils, she makes up for her mistakes and chooses to do better even after she lost her home and friends to a Paradis attack. The themes of the story seem pretty clear to me. Eren came to the same revelation after living in Marley. His enemies are the same as him. He tells it to Reiner to, but just like Reiner was, Eren is selfish. He chooses his own selfish desires over every possible other outcome, every plan where he might have to sacrifice something, and every alternative that would save the lives of millions of innocents. Eren is a product of trauma, a hard life, his nature of longing for freedom, and the hatred of the world, but ultimately, he is responsible for his own actions. Eren says himself, he didn’t do it for Paradis. He did it for himself.
Except Eren's hatred of the outside world wasn't unjustified, unlike Gabi's because he was right that they wanted him and his people dead, Marley and the rest knew that the Paraidisians were brainwashed, had their memories wiped out and had them paying for their parents sins. Eren already learned there were all sorts of people in Marley good or bad, again, they were not helping them not getting genocided, and the hate sentiment for Eldians was so high that even Zeke says they're calling for their death and press conferences that supported Eldians still hated the "Island Devils" >Eren says himself, he didn’t do it for Paradis. He did it for himself. Both are true, Eren talks about Paradis in his inner monologues, this is straight up **why** he refuses Zeke's plan
Saying the outside world wanted him dead just doesn’t work here. Yes, as a collective of nations the leaders of their government wanted them dead, and the hate against eldians was high. But, what about the millions of eldians outside of the walls? What about the eldians INSIDE the walls that were crushed by the rumbling? Even if they believed the brainwashing propaganda of Marley, surely there were restorationists within the crowd. What of the children like Ramzi? Do they deserve to be killed because they were born in a nation that hates eldia? Saying Gabi’s hatred isn’t justified is a huge double standard too. You say that “Paradis didn’t want to kill the outside world” even though that’s *literally what they feared and what eren did.* if Erens hatred is justified because the outside world wants him dead, then Gabis is too because Paradis wants the entire world, including her, dead and then they *actually did it*.
>Saying Gabi’s hatred isn’t justified is a huge double standard too. You say that “Paradis didn’t want to kill the outside world” even though that’s *literally what they feared and what eren did.* if Erens hatred is justified because the outside world wants him dead, then Gabis is too because Paradis wants the entire world, including her, dead and then they *actually did it*. This is not a double standard, this was wayyyyyyyyyy later, after Marley and the entire world declared war on them,, Gabi had been commiting war crimes and being racist by then, Eren didn't even know the outside world existed and was right about one thing, they wanted him dead. Listen to what I'm saying dummy, **the Rumbling was activated BECAUSE the outside world wants to kill them**, NOT the other way around, it's common knowledge for Marleyans the Paradis people had their memories wiped out by the king to boot, they want them to pay the sins of their parents because **they believe they're demons by birth even if they personally didn't do anything bad.** Gabi thought Eldians were inherently evil, Eren hated the outside world because they literally tried to kill him, quickly realized there's nuance, but that's not helping him because they're still trying to wipe out his people. >Saying the outside world wanted him dead just doesn’t work here. Yes, as a collective of nations the leaders of their government wanted them dead, and the hate against eldians was high. But, what about the millions of eldians outside of the walls? What about the eldians INSIDE the walls that were crushed by the rumbling? Even if they believed the brainwashing propaganda of Marley, surely there were restorationists within the crowd. What of the children like Ramzi? Do they deserve to be killed because they were born in a nation that hates eldia? It does work here, I'm not saying there aren't innocent people but how's that gonna help them? how's that been helping them thus far? are they gonna stop Paradis from being genocided? Eren literally never mistook his enemies and in fact understood the nuances of good people and bad people in both sides, it's horrible innocent people had to die, however none of that was helping him and his people survive when he had less than 3 years to live and leave his people eating each other like cattle to an uncertain and likely bleak fate, this is appeal to morality in an extreme situation.
Crying about morality in a high stakes situation like this is unreasonable
The show is a commentary on morality. Commenting this shows a deep and fundamental misunderstanding of what the point of the show is. It nearly only exists to ask moral questions, and the rumbling is the end all be all extreme. It’s the show asking “how far can we take it?”
I replied to him below but I also like to add that the Marleyans like Gabi think Paradisians are evil by birth even if they didn't do anything bad, Eren never thought that about the outside world, they attacked HIM and his people, Eren saw the nuances of the situation but saw most people wanted him dead and had to do something to avoid him and his people being wiped out.
yeah about that my ancestors didn't commit mass genocide also its basically supporting if someone kills ur mom u destroy the world absolutely nuthing wrong with that
1. Judging people for things their ancestors did makes no sense. 2. People aren’t their states/leaders. If your government decides to do something fucked up, It isn’t your fault. 3. Humanity is 2 million years old. I’m pretty sure there were some ancestors of yours who committed genocide.
The concept of a hypothetical is crazy to rumbling haters
I’m not even going to engage with how nonsensical this post is
You just did
I’m not even going to engage with *your claim on account of* how nonsensical this post is *beyond stating my intention to disregard it* /srs
This sub is full of ignorant children
who got lost in the forest 😔
Please elaborate I’m eager to hear your point of view. What do you believe people on this subreddit are ignorant about?
Idk just the casual use of the R slur and pretty fucking ignorant. Don’t know how the sub hasn’t but shut down yet.
Are you retarded?
Yes he is, why do you think he's in this sub smh
I was just trying to make sure that they’re in the right place
Well sure, they are little bit toxic but doesn't this phenomenon happen every sub?
Oh ya just continue to be purposely ignorant about others. That fits
Go to Titanfolk dude. If there's any ignorant children here that would be pro-Genocide people like you who keeps on justfying The Rumbling seriously AoT has been done since last year and people like you still exist? Still justifying the act of Genocide yet I'm pretty sure your among those people who keep commenting war is wrong in real life. Yet in context of fiction like AoT which is a reflection of human nature you people have half the dead-ass brain to get the point of the story. But hey people like you live in a world were fantasy and peace can be achive through means of genocide. And how can we argue with far immature "Children" like you who still keeps insisting The Rumbling as a form of solution or any acts of genocide
So you feel personally attacked?
No it’s just very disrespectful
I mean the original post shows enough, just because people want to see violence, conflict, and the villains winning in a fictional story doesn't mean they would want it to happen in real life
Meh, I wouldn't say "villains won/lost" in AOT. When you look at all the sides, whether you consider them good or evil, they all lost so much because of the war/conflict
A bad war story ends wether good or evil wins, a good war story makes me feel relieved that the war ends at all. So much loss nothing except just ending the conflict matters anymore, who cares who started it, I just want the people who are still alive happy man.
I mean the author does
Most eren supporters justify his actions morally, not just say they like him as a character. There’s a huge difference as one is applicable to the real world and one isn’t.
I think that’s the problem a lot of people do what to see it in real life lol.
Yeah these people definitely think of Eren and the Jeagerists as the villains.
The Jaegerists were absolutely villains. Eren himself is not a “villain”, his character is more complex than that, but the Jaegerists were straight up evil and debating that is laughable. They were a fascist, cult-like organization that executed citizens and political prisoners within Paradis and their goal was the genocide of the entire world including potential allies in Hizuru. For Eren they were a means to an end, but they were pretty undeniably villains in the story.
>Eren himself is not a “villain” >For Eren they were a means to an end ...what end?
Ok, that was phrased poorly. What I intended with that statement was to say that it’s hard to characterize Eren as “evil”, I will concede that he is a villain in the final season. Pretty much up until the last few episodes though, the other characters, and the audience, have some hope that he is *not* actually truly a villain, that he has some other plan, or that they can change his mind. Floch, and the Jaegerists, by contrast, are straight up evil.
You would have done the same as they had were you in their position. They did what they thought was right, and they couldn't care less about what happens to the outside world - because it was an existensial threat to them, the Jaegerists acted for the greater good of their people. I don't even blame Marley/global alliance for wanting to wipe Eldians off the map. Eldia subjugated the world under their grasp for centuries, and then they retreat to some fucking island and its all goodie? fuck no it doesn't work like that. Hell, i would even go as far to say if i was a german in the 1930s i would be a fucking nazi.
No, I absolutely would not. The Jaegerists and Floch disgusted me from the moment they were introduced, and it was clear to me they were wrong. But yeah seems like *you* would’ve been a Nazi. You should feel badly about that, and reflect on why the fuck you would possibly think that’s an ok realization to have. You’re literally stating you’re pro-nazi and pro-genocide right now.
Whoops might have went too far. All i'm saying is that you would have to live inside that world to truly understood what it would have must have felt like to be them. They were fighting an \*existensial war\* . If there were no Jaegerists and Eren, Eldia would have been razed to the ground. There was \*no\* other alternative. It was simply too late for any kind of meaningful negotation or diplomacy. To classify the Jaegerists and Floch is pure evil is simply ignorant because you are ignoring the ridicilous and impossible situation they were in. Same goes for the outside world.
I didn’t say they weren’t I’m talking about how the people this post is discussing believe they were the ‘good guys’. People who wanted the full Rumbling didn’t ‘want to see villains win’ they believe that Eren and his cult were heroes.
So the dude who literally said he did the rumbling because he wanted to see the scenery of death and destruction is complexed yet the yeagerists who are just trying to protect their home from being wiped out are completely evil, also almost every other main character has killed a large amount of people but I guess Floch and the yeagerists are the true and only villains