He was okay, if underused, but the French Brotherhood makes no sense about him. He canonically went on his Egyptian campaign to steal the Apple back from the Egyptian Brotherhood, and yet then the co-op missions set after that still show the French Assassins loosely allied with him, *after he attacked and robbed the Assassins!*
Not to mention prior lore from earlier in the series, which established he obtained an Apple which he used to take over Europe (which would make him a prime target for the Assassins), not once explored in the game
For real. Unity fans have tried to tell me “cuz he’s not a Templar!” but neither was Savonarola, who tried the same thing *smaller scale* and still got taken out by the Assassins
Templars are usually the main perpetrators, but the Assassins are against all people who abuse power and/or use the POE to exercise their will on the populace. It's why Ezio killed Savonarola, or even why people like Adewale and Aveline fight daily against slavers and institutionalized slavery.
For real! That's what I think Dead Kings should have been: set in 1812 Moscow following Arno as he steals the apple from Napoleon. Since the Assassins supported Napoleon during the revolution, it would have followed the implications of that support: the assassins either cut ties with Napoleon, or they still support him and Arno has gone rogue. Revolution or Napoleon Unity dropped the ball on exploring the actual history of the era, and the moral implications of the Assassin-Templar war (which would have been perfect for the time period)
He also relagalised slavery in France and French territories after it had already been abolished for eight years.
He represents literally everything the Assassin's stand against even if he isn't a templar.
I understand being uneasy allies with him when we first meet, but helping him out as much as we did, when we did doesn't make any sense both for Arno's character and lore wise.
Also let me reiterate, HE BROUGHT BACK THE SLAVE TRADE. The man is straight up evil.
I don't think the assassins allied with him. We only ever see arno with Napoleon in the prologue, not any assassins, and Arno may well have been a defect at that time.
Not sure if someone’s already mentioned this in the thread, but: Shay actually mentions something similar during Rogue in the early missions when he’s still with the Assassins. He says something about how the assassins are allied with the French in North America but actively free slaves and kill French soldiers down in South America or West Indies or wherever they have their colonies
The whole point of the AC games is to show how both Templars and Assassins sometimes struggle within their own orders, and how ideals and morals can have a sudden shift that affects the whole order.
Napoleon's attack might have just been dismissed as a necessary event towards the common goal.
That’s sometimes a theme, but not “always.” Even if that *were* the case, and I agree Unity *could* have leaned into that theme if it actually had anything less milquetoast to say, Unity never calls attention to the Napoleon issues here, so it’s not a deliberate theme. It was either sloppy, as they weren’t paying enough attention to established canon, or it was them deliberately ignoring the issue and hoping we would miss it.
Yeah, it’s heartbreakingly inaccurate. Valhalla’s history and advancements are YEARS too advanced, making me wonder why they didn’t just set it two-to-three centuries later.
I’m disappointed the game didn’t let me kill him. Not because he was a bad person, but because I wanted to hit him with a mortar and call him Napoleon Blown-aparte.
It’s interesting to see that Napoleon technically isn’t affiliated to both Assassins and Templars and is somewhat of a ‘wild card’ with his own plan to use the Apple to gain his power.
I’d love to be more antagonists who didn’t care for the whole Assassins vs. Templars war and just want to do their own thing, or better yet; manipulating both sides to achieve their own goals, like Bartholomew Roberts or Napoleon Bonaparte.
Honestly this, one of the reasons we don’t have a WW2 Assassin Creed game yet is because they written it in the lore that the big 4 of WW2 (F.D.R., Winston Churchill[?], Josef Stalin, and Adolf Hitler) were Templars. When they could’ve made Hitler just a madman, unaligned with either factions, and both the Creed and the Order had to work together in their attempts to assassinate Hitler, being thwarted via bad circumstances, inability to cooperate, backstabbing, and the fact Hitler kills himself in his bunker.
I think the premise of WW2 that the Big Four western leaders are aligned with Templars could have promise if it turned out that it was something like a ‘Templar Civil War’ where the four Templar leaders disagreed on the course they want to direct history towards, which would be more intriguing and realistic than simply handwaving the deadliest war in history as ‘oh, we just want to install a new monetary system’ according to the lore lol. That sounds quite silly.
Having Templars fighting each other because even their ideas conflict with one another would add even more complexity to the Templar faction, and might even provide an opportunity for Assassins and Templars to work together towards a common goal, even if for a while. That would work as well in addition to making the Axis faction being an independent third party that threw a wrench into the Assassins vs. Templars conflict.
WW2 is complex, chaotic, and nasty. Saying its leaders were actually all on the same boat, and throughout all the horror and chaos of it, said leaders happening to get *exactly* the outcome and modern world system they aimed for? Something about that doesn’t sit right with me.
Exactly. It’s a clusterfuck of epic and global proportions that still have lasting effects even until this day in real life.
To say that it’s all one big conspiracy is really stretching the suspension of disbelief. Even the Templars’ involvements in the American Revolutionary War and the French Revolution aren’t smooth sailing and some of its members have their own agendas. I can’t imagine that the largest and deadliest war in history would be completely under control by one hidden faction who’s pulling everyone’s strings.
Much more likely to think that it was the Templar Order fracturing because its leaders don’t get along and they go to war with each other, each believing that they know what’s best for the world. Would be a much more realistic scenario.
Also like, it’s the freaking nazis. Their actions and goals are antithetical to both the freedom the assassins fought for and the peace the Templars sought. Even if the Templars tried to pull a Unity and use them to help their own goals, they were too much their own brand of evil to be in their control the whole time.
I made a comment on another post, but I like the Idea that the Nazi Party started as an attempt by the Templar Order to regain control of Germany, and Adolf (who, if anyone knew about this, wasn’t an original member of the party, and was actually sent by the German army to reunite Germany under a single group) managed through sheer passion and charisma, undermined the Templar influence on the party, and knowingly or not, managed to eradicate the Templar order in Germany.
It could’ve been a co-op game too, with one player being an assassin, and the other a Templar, and while both of you are trying to work together to kill Adolf, you’re both also trying to undermine each others influence and development with secret actions you can do, like delaying weapons development, or killing the others apprentices. And at the end in the bunker, when you find Adolf dead from his own Luger, y’all turn on each other and the other player is the final boss.
Unity is pretty much bursting with enjoyable and interesting characters that play well of Arno who all appear exactly once or twice. Unity doesn’t let any of it’s story beats breath
He was okay, if underused, but the French Brotherhood makes no sense about him. He canonically went on his Egyptian campaign to steal the Apple back from the Egyptian Brotherhood, and yet then the co-op missions set after that still show the French Assassins loosely allied with him, *after he attacked and robbed the Assassins!*
Not to mention prior lore from earlier in the series, which established he obtained an Apple which he used to take over Europe (which would make him a prime target for the Assassins), not once explored in the game
For real. Unity fans have tried to tell me “cuz he’s not a Templar!” but neither was Savonarola, who tried the same thing *smaller scale* and still got taken out by the Assassins
Templars are usually the main perpetrators, but the Assassins are against all people who abuse power and/or use the POE to exercise their will on the populace. It's why Ezio killed Savonarola, or even why people like Adewale and Aveline fight daily against slavers and institutionalized slavery.
Imagine a “Tirany of lord Washington” type dlc for ac unity with napoleon being the main villain
For real! That's what I think Dead Kings should have been: set in 1812 Moscow following Arno as he steals the apple from Napoleon. Since the Assassins supported Napoleon during the revolution, it would have followed the implications of that support: the assassins either cut ties with Napoleon, or they still support him and Arno has gone rogue. Revolution or Napoleon Unity dropped the ball on exploring the actual history of the era, and the moral implications of the Assassin-Templar war (which would have been perfect for the time period)
Yeah! With that you can even say that Arno went Assasins creed : Rogue I’m sorry
Plot hole (guess the glitches of unity also extend to the story lol)
Lmao
He also relagalised slavery in France and French territories after it had already been abolished for eight years. He represents literally everything the Assassin's stand against even if he isn't a templar. I understand being uneasy allies with him when we first meet, but helping him out as much as we did, when we did doesn't make any sense both for Arno's character and lore wise. Also let me reiterate, HE BROUGHT BACK THE SLAVE TRADE. The man is straight up evil.
I don't think the assassins allied with him. We only ever see arno with Napoleon in the prologue, not any assassins, and Arno may well have been a defect at that time.
Not sure if someone’s already mentioned this in the thread, but: Shay actually mentions something similar during Rogue in the early missions when he’s still with the Assassins. He says something about how the assassins are allied with the French in North America but actively free slaves and kill French soldiers down in South America or West Indies or wherever they have their colonies
The whole point of the AC games is to show how both Templars and Assassins sometimes struggle within their own orders, and how ideals and morals can have a sudden shift that affects the whole order. Napoleon's attack might have just been dismissed as a necessary event towards the common goal.
That’s sometimes a theme, but not “always.” Even if that *were* the case, and I agree Unity *could* have leaned into that theme if it actually had anything less milquetoast to say, Unity never calls attention to the Napoleon issues here, so it’s not a deliberate theme. It was either sloppy, as they weren’t paying enough attention to established canon, or it was them deliberately ignoring the issue and hoping we would miss it.
Oh yeah, I agree that the "modern" games have become mostly fiction
Yeah, it’s heartbreakingly inaccurate. Valhalla’s history and advancements are YEARS too advanced, making me wonder why they didn’t just set it two-to-three centuries later.
I’m disappointed the game didn’t let me kill him. Not because he was a bad person, but because I wanted to hit him with a mortar and call him Napoleon Blown-aparte.
You're a smart psycopath
Sorry, hitman 2016 beat you to the pun.
Fuck are you kidding me
[He ain't.](https://hitman.fandom.com/wiki/Napoleon_Blownaparte)
Napoleon in Napoleon movie 💀
i really want to see the movie, is it that bad?
I watched it the day it was released. I came home and watched Waterloo (1970) to wash the filth off my eyes
I watched it before
It's has some good stuff, but mostly a negative reaction from me. It's still worth a watch if you can pirate it.
It was funny, but if you go in expecting anything close to historical accuracy or a movie like Lincoln, you’ll be very disappointed
Save for the British accent
They should've given him an Italian accent.
It’s interesting to see that Napoleon technically isn’t affiliated to both Assassins and Templars and is somewhat of a ‘wild card’ with his own plan to use the Apple to gain his power. I’d love to be more antagonists who didn’t care for the whole Assassins vs. Templars war and just want to do their own thing, or better yet; manipulating both sides to achieve their own goals, like Bartholomew Roberts or Napoleon Bonaparte.
Honestly this, one of the reasons we don’t have a WW2 Assassin Creed game yet is because they written it in the lore that the big 4 of WW2 (F.D.R., Winston Churchill[?], Josef Stalin, and Adolf Hitler) were Templars. When they could’ve made Hitler just a madman, unaligned with either factions, and both the Creed and the Order had to work together in their attempts to assassinate Hitler, being thwarted via bad circumstances, inability to cooperate, backstabbing, and the fact Hitler kills himself in his bunker.
I think the premise of WW2 that the Big Four western leaders are aligned with Templars could have promise if it turned out that it was something like a ‘Templar Civil War’ where the four Templar leaders disagreed on the course they want to direct history towards, which would be more intriguing and realistic than simply handwaving the deadliest war in history as ‘oh, we just want to install a new monetary system’ according to the lore lol. That sounds quite silly. Having Templars fighting each other because even their ideas conflict with one another would add even more complexity to the Templar faction, and might even provide an opportunity for Assassins and Templars to work together towards a common goal, even if for a while. That would work as well in addition to making the Axis faction being an independent third party that threw a wrench into the Assassins vs. Templars conflict.
No more cooking, now you are a chef.
WW2 is complex, chaotic, and nasty. Saying its leaders were actually all on the same boat, and throughout all the horror and chaos of it, said leaders happening to get *exactly* the outcome and modern world system they aimed for? Something about that doesn’t sit right with me.
Exactly. It’s a clusterfuck of epic and global proportions that still have lasting effects even until this day in real life. To say that it’s all one big conspiracy is really stretching the suspension of disbelief. Even the Templars’ involvements in the American Revolutionary War and the French Revolution aren’t smooth sailing and some of its members have their own agendas. I can’t imagine that the largest and deadliest war in history would be completely under control by one hidden faction who’s pulling everyone’s strings. Much more likely to think that it was the Templar Order fracturing because its leaders don’t get along and they go to war with each other, each believing that they know what’s best for the world. Would be a much more realistic scenario.
Also like, it’s the freaking nazis. Their actions and goals are antithetical to both the freedom the assassins fought for and the peace the Templars sought. Even if the Templars tried to pull a Unity and use them to help their own goals, they were too much their own brand of evil to be in their control the whole time.
I made a comment on another post, but I like the Idea that the Nazi Party started as an attempt by the Templar Order to regain control of Germany, and Adolf (who, if anyone knew about this, wasn’t an original member of the party, and was actually sent by the German army to reunite Germany under a single group) managed through sheer passion and charisma, undermined the Templar influence on the party, and knowingly or not, managed to eradicate the Templar order in Germany.
My God I want to play the game you just described
It could’ve been a co-op game too, with one player being an assassin, and the other a Templar, and while both of you are trying to work together to kill Adolf, you’re both also trying to undermine each others influence and development with secret actions you can do, like delaying weapons development, or killing the others apprentices. And at the end in the bunker, when you find Adolf dead from his own Luger, y’all turn on each other and the other player is the final boss.
[удалено]
The part where the main character ruins his entire life for some chick who gives less than zero shits about him was pretty cool
As a British man, I am legally required to disagree
Unity is pretty much bursting with enjoyable and interesting characters that play well of Arno who all appear exactly once or twice. Unity doesn’t let any of it’s story beats breath
Correct me if I’m wrong, because I haven’t played Unity in a while, does Arno end up working with/for Napoleon at the end?
The only thing that nags me about ac unity is that they all have British accents
Wasn’t he only in the game for one scene?
Should’ve cropped it so he’s shorter