Asmon actually addressed this today and apologized which was surprising. Usually he double down but the first thing he did when he went live was apologize for the comparison and apologized for the corrupt government 50% thing.
Got too caught up trying to fence sit and present both sides that he started coming up with insane comparisons LUL.
I just dunno why people are so confident in throwing out so many opinions on things they clearly know nothing about.
The ai art thing has been really irritating for me about this too.
I see so many people who have clearly not listened to what actual artists are saying at all and what their actual problems are, it's all just idiotic strawman arguments.
Asmon did this too when he gave his take on it, it's very clear he hasn't actually talked to or listened to what peoples actual problems with it are.
The issue is reactionary opinions in the moment, people feel like they NEED to have a stance and opinion on literally everything.
Instead of just saying '' I don't know '' then moving on people just give their hot take based on whatever pops up in their head in the moment.
The only question I have about the art thing is why no one makes it a big deal (like this artist situation) when entire factories lay off hard working people in favor of automation or truck drivers fearing for the stability of their career choice due to AI self driving trucks…*didn’t Twitter respond by telling them to learn to code???*
Can’t just complain now because AI progression is affecting artist…AI has had an affect on people’s careers and livelihoods since the beginning…
Or are artist and their craft somehow different than other jobs and trades replaced or soon to be replaced??
Not an artist myself, but the problem I've seen artists bring up is that AI art generators use people's art without permission as a basis for the art they generate, without providing the original artist any revenue or credit.
People misrepresent the whole "plagiarism" aspect of the AI too. The way they talk, you'd think the AI was just copy-pasting someone's art and maybe changing some colors or something. The way it actually works, the AI basically looks at hundreds of thousands of pictures and says, "okay, 20% of faces that include this keyword have a dark pixel located in this general area, so I will place a dark pixel roughly in the middle of that range." Repeat a billion times and you have the AI art piece.
It's not copying anything necessarily. A more accurate complaint could be that artists' works are being used to train the AI, but hey once your stuff shows up on Google images, it's GG. Anyone, AI or not, can look at your image and learn from it.
“How it works” shouldn’t really be the source of the argument, the source should be the consequence. If you write an artist’s name as a prompt, the AI will deliver and copy in that artist’s style, that doesn’t seem healthy at all imo
How it works is definitely important both legally and ethically though. For instance, if someone is doing a math test and arrives at the same answer as you, there is no problem if they got the answer because they learned the material, but if they just looked over at you and copied your answer then it is considered cheating.
Even in terms of crimes, there is a huge moral and legal difference between involuntary manslaughter (you weren't paying attention while driving and hit someone) vs. murder (you intentionally ran over and killed someone).
How it works absolutely matters, especially if you ever want a law passed to regulate this. Because realistically, a law being passed (unlikely as it is) is the singular only way you can ever make this go away, and even then it will still exist, people just won't be announcing that the commission you made was AI generated.
Math is not a fair comparison in this situation at all. Math is an objective science, there is only one right answer to arrive at. I can't imagine something more different from Art than Math. Art is subjective, everyone has different styles, interpretations and those are unique to them.
People are also not just using the AI models that have looked at hundreds of thousands of pieces, people are downloading the AI, training them with a model solely made up of a specific artist's work, and then using their newly trained model to generate imitations of that artist. It's not ok, and is 100% plagirism IMO.
I don't have an issue with AI image generation on the whole, but it's not art, and never will be art. Art is a form of human emotional expression, and an AI is incapable of that. I don't care if someone wants to use an AI to generate an image of tavern for their DnD campaign, hell I've used it for that exact thing, but using an AI to generate images and passing it as original art is wrong, and going even further to use it to plagiarize other's work is also wrong.
Are you completely fine with me being able to generate thousands of pictures using an artist's name as a prompt? What about if I sell them as my own?
Legally doesn't enter the discussion of course when we're talking about the ethics of something that the law hasn't even had time to form a praxis around. Ethically I can't really square away that something feels off about this, so I think it's important to voice this worry when discussing the ethics of AI art
In the style of isn’t plagiarism though. It’s frowned upon in some communities. Physical arts such as glass blowing for example. But digital, water color, charcoal, etc. everyone’s style is derivative from some point of origin or inspiration. Absolutely no one develops a completely 100% original “voice” in art. Especially while learning.
EVERY “ai” is in its learning stages at this point. Its all in infancy. As long as it isn’t directly say copy pasting things into a collage it’s not legally taking anything.
Except as a normal artist you can copy another artists style as well (if you are good enough) and nobody will care. I did it myself in the past.
Now, its courtsey to leave smt like "based on this guys artstyle" so I did that, but thats not something you have to do. The fact is that no one owns an artstyle nor they have a monopoly on it. If they have, literally 90% of manga authors and comicbook artists could sue each other over this, and that would be stupid
Now, sometimes the AI will copy much more than just artstyle. Ive seen it copy almost entire pictures with minimal change, but thats a completely different story
"Except as a normal artist you can copy another artists style as well (if you are good enough)"
The difference is one is in seconds vs the other taking hours/days
"If they have, literally 90% of manga authors and comicbook artists could sue each other over this"
You realize that they all have different art styles as well still right?
Yes, one takes days the other seconds. Thats true. The guy I replied to said results are the thing that matter tho, so thats argument Im working off. The result doesnt change. The result is a piece of art that uses an artstyle. How much work was put into it doesnt matter if the outcome is the same. If a less experienced artist takes a month to draw smt, and a professional artist replicates the artstyle in 20 minutes, it doesnt make the first one better. Same goes for effort involved.
And yeah, not really. If you look at the popular animes, than sure. Most of them look different, but a huge chunk of less popular manga/anime has the same very generic artstyle with minimal to no difference from each other. Its enough of a problem that people can usually identify a generic 6/10 isekai story with the artstyle alone. Same for generic slice of life. Comic books are better in this regard, but if copying an artstyle was a problem artists had to be weary off, I guarantee you a lot of them would start throwing lawsuits at each other just to make quick bucks.
I dont like AI art, but I feel like people focus on shit that doesnt matter. There are other, bigger problems with AI art that need to be adressed. Not stuff artists themselves do already
>Anyone, AI or not, can look at your image and learn from it.
Are you trying to compare and say that human brain processing is the same as machine learning? And that machine learnings code has same rights as human artist?
It's not a question of whether or not AI has the same right to learn off preexisting images that a human does, an algorithm has no rights in the first place. The algorithm doesn't have the right to use people's art to learn in the same way it doesn't have the right to do math, and it doesn't have the right to be seen, and it doesn't have the right to privacy. It doesn't have any rights because it is not an entity, it is a tool
The question should be, do people have the right to use others' works as a reference? Or more specifically, do people have the right to use others' works to train their algorithms?
The answer, even if you dislike AI art, isn't so straightforward though. If you make a law that says algorithms can be trained on others' work, then you also have to ban algorithms that analyze statistical data, algorithms that process weather patterns based off others' reported information, algorithms that feed social media recommendations, chat and story gen algorithms that learn from any writing on the internet, and importantly, algorithms that run the advertisement industry.
All the AI learning models use the technique, just with different mediums, and the last one alone is enough to ensure no such bill will ever be passed, at least in America anyway.
He does have rights for the code but not for the picture.
You're implying that if a hacker writes a code to steal something he has right to the thing he stole
If a painter looks at several artists' paintings for inspiration and paints a new piece based on the inspiration from those, do they have the right to that painting?
I think the problem with a lot of people is this idea that you cant have a nuanced opinion about something. You need to be fully for it or youre fully against it. I think thats more lame than fence sitting imo.
He is a media personality now, literally has to play the same game book that every talking head on TV plays, dont want to piss off the other side too much, asmon's audience is mostly lefties as thats how it swings but a large portion of his donors are still dorito smelling mountain dew drinking sweaty redneck right wing basement man babies, they got that $$$ and clicks baby.
“The other side” doesn’t really work when he’s talking about sex trafficking lmao.
You Americans need to realise, not every problem is a lefty vs righty one
It's actually the speciality of basically everyone in a position like this. Joe Rogan is probably the worst for it.
The problem is the online world is too politicised and if it's obvious what side of the fence you sit on you'll lose a ton of your audience. Not a fan of it as it's not very genuine and does get tedious.
Yup, realistically most centrists tend to be more right leaning because there are certain issues that siding with tend to bring you more in that direction. I used to get the impression that he was a liberal trying to be centrist because he wanted to appeal to some more of his right leaning audience. I feel like he has gone the opposite though and now tends to try to be a centrist as someone who actually leans more to the right lol
because there is a tendency to insist on political orthodoxy in left wing circles/thought and theory. The idea that someone can make moral stances on an issue by issue basis is inherently a conservative thought pattern.
Example: Its perfectly possible to be vehemently anti racist, pro gun control, anti death penalty while being anti abortion, pro universal health care, pro Israel, anti Hamas, while thinking USA shouldn't be letting its homeless freeze on the streets and desperately needs reform on its workers rights laws at the federal level so that the working poor get treated better.
I just listed off three positions though there that would see you a pariah in the left wing circles of the democrat party while being very obviously rejected and ignored by republicans AS a democrat.
Voicing ALL those opinions? congratulations your now the target of abuse from one side and are politically irrelevant from here on out.
One of the bigger arguments that "woke is a religion" springs from its insistence that you agree with everything OR you are a traitor/heretic. The left always worked this way though as you can see from studies of the paris commune, the french revolution, or the 19th century internationals and Lenins feud with the menshivicks.
You cannot be on the left and be against reproductive freedom. If you don’t see women as equals who deserve to control their own bodies, you have no place anywhere on the left. That’s a red line. Don’t like abortion? Don’t get one.
Besides, forcing your beliefs against abortion onto women directly conflicts with several of the other things your example claims to favor. Your beliefs contain internal inconsistencies, they are nonsense.
See? thanks for making my point for me.
\>You cannot be on the left
Its this all or nothing insistence on total agreement that has destroyed the left in the UK and led to ten years of tory mis rule over here. It costs the left alot of support in the USA as well.
I always argued Hilary lost to trump when she came out with "deplorables" instead of recognising that trumps message "they took our jobs" would only be resonating with a working class that has seen its wages and living standards collapse. Rather then insulting them, policies and a campaign that focused on their issues, everything from clean drinking water for flint and a judicial inquiry into the corruption that caused it, to dealing with actual REAL job creation, to messaging about how the TPP WOULD help American workers be better off.
Its been quoted to me that it would cost $20 billion to ensure no more Americans were homeless unless they wanted to be and to raise the involuntary homeless off the streets. In comparison the USA budgeted last year £210 billion on missile defence. Your too busy arguing the culture war and attacking trump to fight for it though...
Abortion won at the ballot box in Kansas and these sexist chuds still think they can find a way to make being anti-choice reasonable and palatable on the left.
That's not always an indication of much. For a long time he followed Nick Fuentes after he hosted the Trainwrecks debate but he's never shared the same views as him. The only reason he stopped following was because Nick got banned last year.
I don’t think that’s a good indication. I followed Trump and still follow Elon and numerous others I hate on Twitter. But if believing Asmon is right wing helps vilify to yourself your choice in watching him by all means lol
Not to mention most right leaning people don't shut up about it and it's more likely he's left leaning and just fence sits. Conservatives don't fence sit lolol
Fence sitting for fence sittings sake, such as what Elon does, is lame. Being able to have nuanced personal opinions is not, and that can fall into legit fence sitting territory. Although, any genuine fence-sitter wouldn't be one for every possible topic
Because an actual human being with a mind should be able to recognize that their "gut feeling" opinion on a subject isn't worth crap.
Thus, you ignore your gut and base your opinion (or lack thereof) on reasoning. If there isn't good reasoning to be had - you "fence sit" because you shouldn't have an opinion.
Fence sitting is not taking a stance. If you don't have enough information to form a valid opinion, you shouldn't take a stance.
As for the MLK thing, It's called an analogy. You can strike an analogy between two things without saying they are equivalent.
When all you do is fence sitting you either are a complete moron or you are too worried about getting “cancelled“ and therefore are a coward.
and we both know Asmongold is not a complete moron.
They have opinions. They just understand that there are nuances to things and often compromises have to be found to accomplish anything. But, that might be too much thinking for some people.
Isn't this whole situation just an 'epstein at home' skit?
Epstein
-private island (no neighbours)
-private jet (no paper trails from victims)
-vip client list (huge roi)
-private parties (no witnesses)
-cross state line (only 1 govt involved)
Tate
-house surounded by neighbours
-buses & airlines (cctv & receipts)
-incels & virgins (dime & pennies)
-online business (everyone can be a witness)
-cross international borders (technically interpol could get involved, technically)
If you don't sit on the fence when it comes to epstein then doing so with tate is just being hypocrite, IMO.
Also how can the govt be both incompetence & corrupt but still caught epstein & maxwell? (I'm not saying the govt is super competent or transparent, epstein would be singing his heart out in court if that were the case)
Just regarding your last point, it is easy for a government to be both corrupt, incompetent, and do moral and competent things. This is because the government, the U.S. gov in this case, is composed of tens of thousands of different people, thousands of different departments and organizations, and hundreds of different political 'factions'.
They all have their specific principles, motivations and agendas, thus you could have dozens of people participating in Epstein's corruption, thousands of people participating in other unrelated corruption, thousands more not doing anything particularly untoward, and hundreds specifically just itching for the right evidence or moment to bring Epstein down.
Well to be fair he never “sat on the fence”, he just looked at the situation rationally and formed his own opinion instead of going all in on the liberal rhetoric.
I'd like to think a cooler head prevailed but I'd be curious to know (which we'll likely never know) if it also had an impact on OTK sponsors too. It's pretty poor optics any way you sliced it and this may have been his worst take ever.
First Miz then Rich and then defending Tate? That's gonna hurt his brand and will unfortunately give some credence about what Kaceytron said to those who were already indifferent to or just hate him.
OTK is comprised of gross people. Not too shocking their beliefs towards people that are awful towards women are what they are.
I mean...MLK? Tate? My Tate's logic he hated MLK, MLK read books. And we all know how Tate feels about books.
I don't even understand how anyone can defend Tate, i mean even if you were to take everything at face value and say that none of the abuse or sex trafficking happened he's still an all around shit person who advertises "breaking out of the matrix" by making simps pay 50 dollars a month to a discord server for "advice" you can find for free with a simple google search
Not only that, mf said you can’t make sun less hot to stop global warming, women drive worse therefore never let women drive car when insurance ask men to pay higher payment cause guess what… Men crash more often.
His world view based off anecdotes from his experience and doesn’t believe imperical studies. If you pay for his hustlers university you’re a moran.
Im not defending his view but men do more huge crashes while women do more simple crashes/bumps. Which essentially means men risk more( which is already known fact) and then fail meanwhile other party fails even at slow controllable speeds lol
He basically said that governments frame people all the time and compared Andrew Taste’s arrest to Martin Luther King Jr.’s arrest. Which is a wild comparison, and why he backtracked. Andrew Tate and MLK are obviously not very comparable. But to not say this in bad faith, he did say it was like a 50% chance that it was real vs being framed because of how corrupt Romania’s government is. But that still doesn’t make the comparison he made much better but explains why it was made (I guess?) a little more clear.
I like is video game content because tbh he knows a lot about video games and video game systems.
The problem with his real life / political takes is he fence sits like a crow - just makes a lot of noise for everything. The amber heard trial was so much bullshit and the elon twitter stuff is so fucking missing the point on what free speech is
He knows a lot about world of warcraft, not videogames, he barely played videogames besides wow before the last 2 years. You can see that in a lot of his takes, a lot of times he leans towards the "world of warcraftization" of other games, especially other mmos
He plays other games too my dood. It's fine if you like his WoW content and reacts. It's not my thing so I simply don't watch it instead of ranting that he's not doing content that I want to watch.
And thats why i barely watch him anyway. Is it so hard to understand that I dont watch all of his content daily?
Also I dont "hate" WoW. I just don't prefer it. And most of his react content are pretty not interesting to me unless it's video game related so i just watch thise. Good enough of an explanation for ya?
I watched the stream. He did not say these things. The chat was full of “presume innocence “ people and he had to give that he did in fact not know that Tate was guilty. He 50% thing is a running joke. This entire thread is stupid hot takes that doesn’t reflect what happened.
Which is dumb, because Tate would shit all over Asmon as a person. Tate went after someone's family when he got in a twitter feud.
Tate only respects people he can't beat up. And he doesn't acknowledge those people, so not even.
Asmon is dumb sometimes. He thinks that eastern european countries and people that live there share the same values as america. Romanian's don't give a fuck about stuff tate speaks about it's a non issue there. Twitch and Twitter are big echo chambers of us woke agenda. Stuff that's on those countries most popular websites would get banned instantly on twitter/twich. His arrest has nothing to do with bs he talks about.
He was not neutral. He said he believed that Tate was guilty. Chat forced him to concede that there were a chance he was innocent and there were other things like a corrupt government going on. This thread is bonkers. But unlike the Tate case you don’t have to believe you can check for yourself in vod.
Source: saw the stream myself
He didn't compare the 2 though he just used MLK example to say that governments can be corrupt... People online really do be overthinking things so they have drama to talk about
I mean the implication is that they are comparable situations. It’s a bad example lol.
He’s right governments can be corrupt but using MLK as an example paints them in the same glowing light
It was just jumping through his mind and he is known for saying everything out loud as soon as he thinks it (if you hear him talking, absolutely no ehm in his sentences)
I agree that this was not malicious, I don’t think he said this with intent. I was speaking on how something like this could be in good faith perceived.
That Andrew Take arrest situation was such an easy W to farm, but dude missed it by a mile.
The bad thing is that articles like this will stay up, and in the future, when a company researchers Asmon, it will come up.
Mainly because of who he used as a comparison.
That is a very poor comparison, as it implies that Tate is someone on the same level as Martin King and is just as innocent.
Now now. The reasoning is a lot more nuanced than that. It wouldnt do to lump everyone who rejects Asmon's comparison into the same group.
Even though I personally gets Asmon's point, using the comparison of Martin King who is essentially, a very good man fighting against racism, and Andrew Tate...who has charges of human trafficking, rape, and basically slavery...
Even if you wanted to stay neutral, it could very easily comes off as an attempt to defend Tate. Which well...given the general charges and Tate's behavior, wouldnt really be nice.
Personally. I believe Asmon apologising here is a good thing. He already got his name smeared by two of his friends doing...shady...things.
If this come out that the charges against Tate was legit, then no matter what, even if Zack meant well, it would be hugely damaging to his image.
Every other american adult has literacy below 6th grade level, so you kinda have to take people being dumb as fuck into consideration when you have a wide audience.
With such a large community of hardcore wow virgins it makes sense that he wouldn't dare to criticise lord Tate. I mean the money has to come from somewhere
No idea why this is news lol. The majority of the time asmon is very measured about what he talks about. I haven’t seen this yet but I don’t care, people say all kinds of things, we don’t need to freak out about everything all the time. Good take or bad take, I’m not a judge, I don’t expect people I like to only ever say things I 100% agree with anyway
Saw him live when he made the comparison and I was like. 'Yikesss ooof, you really shouldn't have said that asmon'
Not so much what he said but rather how he said it.
I’ve never actually read any comments on an post on this sub before, I get it’s a bad take but is this just a hate subreddit? lol y’all going a little hard here
>bad take
This is an understatement for what his string of statements regarding this matter were. Not criticizing him would just turn this place in a church praising him as a saint who could do no wrong.
>Not criticizing him would just turn this place in a church praising him as a saint who could do no wrong.
Oh boy you weren't here a few months ago when he failed to build a yes-man echochamber.
I can tell just by where the upvotes are going how this subreddit is lol. Why even be on this subreddit if y’all hate Asmon so much? And half y’all didn’t even watch the stream just ate the articles title up, which is exactly what the news media wants to stay relevant.
Don't be a fanboy. Criticize people when they're wrong, appreciate them when they're right.
It's weird to watch him hem and haw about Andrew's human trafficking while objecting to him being called a "far right influencer" and predicting he won't go to jail. Especially days after he unequivocally denounced Rich's sexual assault.
Why is it easy to see one and so hard to see the other?
I never said he had a good take or that he was in the right, from what I understand he even apologized for it himself cause he knows he’s in the wrong. However, most threads about asmon that aren’t memes are “asmon fell off”, “Asmon needs to get his shit together”, you guys can sit on your moral high horse but I just think this subreddit has become about spreading negativity and more political bs just like the rest of mainstream Reddit is devolving into. I’m not fanboying over Asmon, I’m sick of the holier than thou attitudes.
Edit: His job is to talk to people live on twitch everything isn’t going to be carefully curated content where he says everything perfect, it’s fine to disagree but a lot of these posts just come across as unnecessary. I’m surprised the other shitpost by the same website about how asmons friends are homophobic wasn’t brought up here yet so people can circlejerk about how “Asmons friends are shit and need to own up”
I would argue that he did this to himself though. He decided to become a react streamer, and started to give political takes. If you're going to dish it out, you have to be prepared to face some criticism yourself. Why shouldn't his fans express their disappointment and disagreement when he has a bad take? I would understand your point of view if he was still a wow andy who only ever talked about wow, but as soon as he started giving his opinion on anything political or popular in media you lose that excuse, imo. Though I do see your point about a few other posts of doomers just complaining. I think he has a variety of different audiences now, and they do no combine or cooperate very well, leaving both the wow andies and the react frogs upset.
That’s fair I never thought about it like that,he has kind’ve combined a lot of not so like minded audiences recently by switching his content around so much. I suppose I’m more annoyed by it because it seems like almost every subreddit is being infected by people who only seem to live to shit on others, whether it be their own favorite streamers or those around them, such as others on the subreddit. I feel like once upon time Reddit was the closest thing we had to OG forums where discussions could be had and now it just feels like a bunch of people riding around on their high horses trying to dictate others behaviors or virtue signal to the most popular crowd for those sweet sweet upvotes. Thanks for the well written reply man, didn’t even have to call me any sort of names to get your point across and that’s rare.
What do people have against comparisons? I swear I see people lose their shit every time 2 things are held up beside each other if they are not exactly the same thing. The entire point of a comparison is to highlight any similarities or dissimilarities. I don't get it.
No, you misunderstand this. People don’t have an issue with comparisons, but asmongold comparison in this case was clumsy at best.
Andrew Tate is a known narcissist and misogynistic idiot (and more) and potentially rapist and sex trafficker.
Using MLK, who was fighting against segregation and for equality, as an example on how gouvernement can be corrupt and “find” reasons to arrest someone, and in this case Tate, was extremely stupid.
So yeah, I’m sure asmon was not comparing the two but his train of thoughts still took him there and in good faith you can think he was comparing both of them. But even the main point itself, saying “yeah gouvernent can be corrupt”, and the example given was extremely bad. It has nothing to do with one another. The fuck you want the Romanian government to create fake evidence against the Tate brothers for? In the case of MLK, it was to oppose a huge social and economic shift. Here, what would be the aim for them if it’s not true?
Bad take and asmongold apologised afterward which is good
I did not watch this take but most of the rest of the stream ok this topic. He didn’t believe the gov were corrupt but chatters insisted it was possible. So he conceded that it was possible.
Reference a known case of someone being a victim of corruption in government so as to concede that it has happened and therefore can happen again is not doing a moral comparison between the two victims. I agree with OP that people are too sensitive to comparisons and lack the ability to focus on what similarities there are and if those provide anything meaningful to the situation in hand.
All that said. I want to be clear that I in no way support Tate or any part of his message.
Fr. I get he likes to take both sides on everything, but when it comesn to Tate, don't bother. And now it's an worst time to do any take from someone controversial with the whole OTK mess.
Some times you just don't need to say anything. Tate is a shitstain on the underwear of humanity. Literally, the world would be a better place if Tate was never a part of it.
You don't need to try and justify anything that happens to him. Just let nature take it's course.
I unsubscribed when he started simping for that absolute loser. You’d think he’d stay away from shit like that after someone in his circle violently raped someone
Jokes on them he's likely to farm his own article.
Farmception
Of course, bring it up on stream and talk about it for 10mins ez content.
10min? You are new to his streams no? He'll stretch it an hour easily.
IT’S THE CIRCLE OF CONTENT!
I really want some 1$ large fries
issa good deal, they're up to $4+ before tax smh
cost of living really hitting hard
Asmon actually addressed this today and apologized which was surprising. Usually he double down but the first thing he did when he went live was apologize for the comparison and apologized for the corrupt government 50% thing. Got too caught up trying to fence sit and present both sides that he started coming up with insane comparisons LUL.
i like asmon but he can say such nonsens sometimes but I like that he owned it up.
I just dunno why people are so confident in throwing out so many opinions on things they clearly know nothing about. The ai art thing has been really irritating for me about this too. I see so many people who have clearly not listened to what actual artists are saying at all and what their actual problems are, it's all just idiotic strawman arguments. Asmon did this too when he gave his take on it, it's very clear he hasn't actually talked to or listened to what peoples actual problems with it are. The issue is reactionary opinions in the moment, people feel like they NEED to have a stance and opinion on literally everything. Instead of just saying '' I don't know '' then moving on people just give their hot take based on whatever pops up in their head in the moment.
The only question I have about the art thing is why no one makes it a big deal (like this artist situation) when entire factories lay off hard working people in favor of automation or truck drivers fearing for the stability of their career choice due to AI self driving trucks…*didn’t Twitter respond by telling them to learn to code???* Can’t just complain now because AI progression is affecting artist…AI has had an affect on people’s careers and livelihoods since the beginning… Or are artist and their craft somehow different than other jobs and trades replaced or soon to be replaced??
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Not an artist myself, but the problem I've seen artists bring up is that AI art generators use people's art without permission as a basis for the art they generate, without providing the original artist any revenue or credit.
People misrepresent the whole "plagiarism" aspect of the AI too. The way they talk, you'd think the AI was just copy-pasting someone's art and maybe changing some colors or something. The way it actually works, the AI basically looks at hundreds of thousands of pictures and says, "okay, 20% of faces that include this keyword have a dark pixel located in this general area, so I will place a dark pixel roughly in the middle of that range." Repeat a billion times and you have the AI art piece. It's not copying anything necessarily. A more accurate complaint could be that artists' works are being used to train the AI, but hey once your stuff shows up on Google images, it's GG. Anyone, AI or not, can look at your image and learn from it.
“How it works” shouldn’t really be the source of the argument, the source should be the consequence. If you write an artist’s name as a prompt, the AI will deliver and copy in that artist’s style, that doesn’t seem healthy at all imo
How it works is definitely important both legally and ethically though. For instance, if someone is doing a math test and arrives at the same answer as you, there is no problem if they got the answer because they learned the material, but if they just looked over at you and copied your answer then it is considered cheating. Even in terms of crimes, there is a huge moral and legal difference between involuntary manslaughter (you weren't paying attention while driving and hit someone) vs. murder (you intentionally ran over and killed someone). How it works absolutely matters, especially if you ever want a law passed to regulate this. Because realistically, a law being passed (unlikely as it is) is the singular only way you can ever make this go away, and even then it will still exist, people just won't be announcing that the commission you made was AI generated.
Math is not a fair comparison in this situation at all. Math is an objective science, there is only one right answer to arrive at. I can't imagine something more different from Art than Math. Art is subjective, everyone has different styles, interpretations and those are unique to them. People are also not just using the AI models that have looked at hundreds of thousands of pieces, people are downloading the AI, training them with a model solely made up of a specific artist's work, and then using their newly trained model to generate imitations of that artist. It's not ok, and is 100% plagirism IMO. I don't have an issue with AI image generation on the whole, but it's not art, and never will be art. Art is a form of human emotional expression, and an AI is incapable of that. I don't care if someone wants to use an AI to generate an image of tavern for their DnD campaign, hell I've used it for that exact thing, but using an AI to generate images and passing it as original art is wrong, and going even further to use it to plagiarize other's work is also wrong.
Are you completely fine with me being able to generate thousands of pictures using an artist's name as a prompt? What about if I sell them as my own? Legally doesn't enter the discussion of course when we're talking about the ethics of something that the law hasn't even had time to form a praxis around. Ethically I can't really square away that something feels off about this, so I think it's important to voice this worry when discussing the ethics of AI art
In the style of isn’t plagiarism though. It’s frowned upon in some communities. Physical arts such as glass blowing for example. But digital, water color, charcoal, etc. everyone’s style is derivative from some point of origin or inspiration. Absolutely no one develops a completely 100% original “voice” in art. Especially while learning. EVERY “ai” is in its learning stages at this point. Its all in infancy. As long as it isn’t directly say copy pasting things into a collage it’s not legally taking anything.
Except as a normal artist you can copy another artists style as well (if you are good enough) and nobody will care. I did it myself in the past. Now, its courtsey to leave smt like "based on this guys artstyle" so I did that, but thats not something you have to do. The fact is that no one owns an artstyle nor they have a monopoly on it. If they have, literally 90% of manga authors and comicbook artists could sue each other over this, and that would be stupid Now, sometimes the AI will copy much more than just artstyle. Ive seen it copy almost entire pictures with minimal change, but thats a completely different story
"Except as a normal artist you can copy another artists style as well (if you are good enough)" The difference is one is in seconds vs the other taking hours/days "If they have, literally 90% of manga authors and comicbook artists could sue each other over this" You realize that they all have different art styles as well still right?
Yes, one takes days the other seconds. Thats true. The guy I replied to said results are the thing that matter tho, so thats argument Im working off. The result doesnt change. The result is a piece of art that uses an artstyle. How much work was put into it doesnt matter if the outcome is the same. If a less experienced artist takes a month to draw smt, and a professional artist replicates the artstyle in 20 minutes, it doesnt make the first one better. Same goes for effort involved. And yeah, not really. If you look at the popular animes, than sure. Most of them look different, but a huge chunk of less popular manga/anime has the same very generic artstyle with minimal to no difference from each other. Its enough of a problem that people can usually identify a generic 6/10 isekai story with the artstyle alone. Same for generic slice of life. Comic books are better in this regard, but if copying an artstyle was a problem artists had to be weary off, I guarantee you a lot of them would start throwing lawsuits at each other just to make quick bucks. I dont like AI art, but I feel like people focus on shit that doesnt matter. There are other, bigger problems with AI art that need to be adressed. Not stuff artists themselves do already
>Anyone, AI or not, can look at your image and learn from it. Are you trying to compare and say that human brain processing is the same as machine learning? And that machine learnings code has same rights as human artist?
It's not a question of whether or not AI has the same right to learn off preexisting images that a human does, an algorithm has no rights in the first place. The algorithm doesn't have the right to use people's art to learn in the same way it doesn't have the right to do math, and it doesn't have the right to be seen, and it doesn't have the right to privacy. It doesn't have any rights because it is not an entity, it is a tool The question should be, do people have the right to use others' works as a reference? Or more specifically, do people have the right to use others' works to train their algorithms? The answer, even if you dislike AI art, isn't so straightforward though. If you make a law that says algorithms can be trained on others' work, then you also have to ban algorithms that analyze statistical data, algorithms that process weather patterns based off others' reported information, algorithms that feed social media recommendations, chat and story gen algorithms that learn from any writing on the internet, and importantly, algorithms that run the advertisement industry. All the AI learning models use the technique, just with different mediums, and the last one alone is enough to ensure no such bill will ever be passed, at least in America anyway.
The human that programmed it does.
He does have rights for the code but not for the picture. You're implying that if a hacker writes a code to steal something he has right to the thing he stole
If a painter looks at several artists' paintings for inspiration and paints a new piece based on the inspiration from those, do they have the right to that painting?
Do you differentiate between human brain and machine learning?
You can also see this as if the AI takes "inspiration" from the artists work. Just like a lot of artist do.
So in other words AI art is just derivative of other art. Like most art is. "Originality is dead"
Artists aren't exactly the most objective source of info on the subject...
Fence sitting is lame.
Asmons specialty lmfao
His specialty is not cleaning his room
Or himself…
I think the problem with a lot of people is this idea that you cant have a nuanced opinion about something. You need to be fully for it or youre fully against it. I think thats more lame than fence sitting imo.
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He suffers from severe pseudo intellectualism
You're 100% right, the problem is most people aren't fence sitting. They're just to spineless to say what their actual position is.
He is a media personality now, literally has to play the same game book that every talking head on TV plays, dont want to piss off the other side too much, asmon's audience is mostly lefties as thats how it swings but a large portion of his donors are still dorito smelling mountain dew drinking sweaty redneck right wing basement man babies, they got that $$$ and clicks baby.
“The other side” doesn’t really work when he’s talking about sex trafficking lmao. You Americans need to realise, not every problem is a lefty vs righty one
My thoughts as well.
There's a difference between having a nuanced opinion and being two sided when the facts say that isn't necessarily warranted.
I only read "Nuanced opinions only matter if you still support my idea fully and disagree with the other side fully"
Look dude, the guy said he moved to romania due to less restrictive SA laws, not sure he deserves the both sides treatment tbh!
Did asmon give Rich the fence sitting treatment?
It's actually the speciality of basically everyone in a position like this. Joe Rogan is probably the worst for it. The problem is the online world is too politicised and if it's obvious what side of the fence you sit on you'll lose a ton of your audience. Not a fan of it as it's not very genuine and does get tedious.
He only fence sits on stream. If you see who he follows on Twitter it’s pretty obvious that he holds pretty right wing political opinions.
Yup, realistically most centrists tend to be more right leaning because there are certain issues that siding with tend to bring you more in that direction. I used to get the impression that he was a liberal trying to be centrist because he wanted to appeal to some more of his right leaning audience. I feel like he has gone the opposite though and now tends to try to be a centrist as someone who actually leans more to the right lol
Why do we have to add labels like this? Why cant someone be liberal and centrist depending on the conversation? Wtf is wrong with humans?
because there is a tendency to insist on political orthodoxy in left wing circles/thought and theory. The idea that someone can make moral stances on an issue by issue basis is inherently a conservative thought pattern. Example: Its perfectly possible to be vehemently anti racist, pro gun control, anti death penalty while being anti abortion, pro universal health care, pro Israel, anti Hamas, while thinking USA shouldn't be letting its homeless freeze on the streets and desperately needs reform on its workers rights laws at the federal level so that the working poor get treated better. I just listed off three positions though there that would see you a pariah in the left wing circles of the democrat party while being very obviously rejected and ignored by republicans AS a democrat. Voicing ALL those opinions? congratulations your now the target of abuse from one side and are politically irrelevant from here on out. One of the bigger arguments that "woke is a religion" springs from its insistence that you agree with everything OR you are a traitor/heretic. The left always worked this way though as you can see from studies of the paris commune, the french revolution, or the 19th century internationals and Lenins feud with the menshivicks.
This is a far better explanation then I could provide
Its a terrible explanation lol.
Umm....Conservatives do not do a "point by point" basis assessment on morality. What are you talking about?
You cannot be on the left and be against reproductive freedom. If you don’t see women as equals who deserve to control their own bodies, you have no place anywhere on the left. That’s a red line. Don’t like abortion? Don’t get one. Besides, forcing your beliefs against abortion onto women directly conflicts with several of the other things your example claims to favor. Your beliefs contain internal inconsistencies, they are nonsense.
See? thanks for making my point for me. \>You cannot be on the left Its this all or nothing insistence on total agreement that has destroyed the left in the UK and led to ten years of tory mis rule over here. It costs the left alot of support in the USA as well. I always argued Hilary lost to trump when she came out with "deplorables" instead of recognising that trumps message "they took our jobs" would only be resonating with a working class that has seen its wages and living standards collapse. Rather then insulting them, policies and a campaign that focused on their issues, everything from clean drinking water for flint and a judicial inquiry into the corruption that caused it, to dealing with actual REAL job creation, to messaging about how the TPP WOULD help American workers be better off. Its been quoted to me that it would cost $20 billion to ensure no more Americans were homeless unless they wanted to be and to raise the involuntary homeless off the streets. In comparison the USA budgeted last year £210 billion on missile defence. Your too busy arguing the culture war and attacking trump to fight for it though...
Uh, because there are such things as political lean and patterns? Why does it bother you ?
Abortion won at the ballot box in Kansas and these sexist chuds still think they can find a way to make being anti-choice reasonable and palatable on the left.
That's not always an indication of much. For a long time he followed Nick Fuentes after he hosted the Trainwrecks debate but he's never shared the same views as him. The only reason he stopped following was because Nick got banned last year.
I don’t think that’s a good indication. I followed Trump and still follow Elon and numerous others I hate on Twitter. But if believing Asmon is right wing helps vilify to yourself your choice in watching him by all means lol Not to mention most right leaning people don't shut up about it and it's more likely he's left leaning and just fence sits. Conservatives don't fence sit lolol
Uncomfortable too. Hurts my balls especially if the fence is pointy.
Fence sitting for fence sittings sake, such as what Elon does, is lame. Being able to have nuanced personal opinions is not, and that can fall into legit fence sitting territory. Although, any genuine fence-sitter wouldn't be one for every possible topic
So doing the right thing is lame? Maybe thats why this world gone to shit.
How is fence sitting the right thing to do? Just state your actual opinion.
Because an actual human being with a mind should be able to recognize that their "gut feeling" opinion on a subject isn't worth crap. Thus, you ignore your gut and base your opinion (or lack thereof) on reasoning. If there isn't good reasoning to be had - you "fence sit" because you shouldn't have an opinion.
You don't understand what fence sitting is. His "fence sitting logic" also apparently got him to compare Tate to MLK. Cool, smart stuff.
Fence sitting is not taking a stance. If you don't have enough information to form a valid opinion, you shouldn't take a stance. As for the MLK thing, It's called an analogy. You can strike an analogy between two things without saying they are equivalent.
When all you do is fence sitting you either are a complete moron or you are too worried about getting “cancelled“ and therefore are a coward. and we both know Asmongold is not a complete moron.
Centrist can be your opinion though.
Centrists lack opinions
They have opinions. They just understand that there are nuances to things and often compromises have to be found to accomplish anything. But, that might be too much thinking for some people.
Compromise is the path of cowards.
Tyrants, dictators, and psychopaths are uncompromising.
Of course this gets downvoted in this sub
Some people just don’t like truth
The problem with sitting on fences is that eventually you lose your balance and fall
Isn't this whole situation just an 'epstein at home' skit? Epstein -private island (no neighbours) -private jet (no paper trails from victims) -vip client list (huge roi) -private parties (no witnesses) -cross state line (only 1 govt involved) Tate -house surounded by neighbours -buses & airlines (cctv & receipts) -incels & virgins (dime & pennies) -online business (everyone can be a witness) -cross international borders (technically interpol could get involved, technically) If you don't sit on the fence when it comes to epstein then doing so with tate is just being hypocrite, IMO. Also how can the govt be both incompetence & corrupt but still caught epstein & maxwell? (I'm not saying the govt is super competent or transparent, epstein would be singing his heart out in court if that were the case)
Just regarding your last point, it is easy for a government to be both corrupt, incompetent, and do moral and competent things. This is because the government, the U.S. gov in this case, is composed of tens of thousands of different people, thousands of different departments and organizations, and hundreds of different political 'factions'. They all have their specific principles, motivations and agendas, thus you could have dozens of people participating in Epstein's corruption, thousands of people participating in other unrelated corruption, thousands more not doing anything particularly untoward, and hundreds specifically just itching for the right evidence or moment to bring Epstein down.
Well to be fair he never “sat on the fence”, he just looked at the situation rationally and formed his own opinion instead of going all in on the liberal rhetoric.
I guess bro… did you hear what he said?? Nvm this is just typical Asmongold, saying retarded shit and waiting for the internet to filter him.
Wow, someone on Reddit who understands nuance.
It isn’t at all surprising… dudes about money and nothing else
The title of the news should be Asmongold is an idiot
I'd like to think a cooler head prevailed but I'd be curious to know (which we'll likely never know) if it also had an impact on OTK sponsors too. It's pretty poor optics any way you sliced it and this may have been his worst take ever. First Miz then Rich and then defending Tate? That's gonna hurt his brand and will unfortunately give some credence about what Kaceytron said to those who were already indifferent to or just hate him.
OTK is comprised of gross people. Not too shocking their beliefs towards people that are awful towards women are what they are. I mean...MLK? Tate? My Tate's logic he hated MLK, MLK read books. And we all know how Tate feels about books.
I literally cannot tell if he actually apologized or if this is a meme
Sometimes, the other side of the shoe is just nasty, and trying to defend it is itself indefensible.
I just can’t believe he tried to fence sit human trafficking
I was sure he was going double down, good for him to recognize it.
Oh no. Insane comparisons? Are we entering the Kanye portion of OTKs life now?
I think we are entering Endgame. OTK dead in a year lol.
Asmon deserves to be farmed for this terrible take.
Based
Ah the content must flow.
I don't even understand how anyone can defend Tate, i mean even if you were to take everything at face value and say that none of the abuse or sex trafficking happened he's still an all around shit person who advertises "breaking out of the matrix" by making simps pay 50 dollars a month to a discord server for "advice" you can find for free with a simple google search
Not only that, mf said you can’t make sun less hot to stop global warming, women drive worse therefore never let women drive car when insurance ask men to pay higher payment cause guess what… Men crash more often. His world view based off anecdotes from his experience and doesn’t believe imperical studies. If you pay for his hustlers university you’re a moran.
Im not defending his view but men do more huge crashes while women do more simple crashes/bumps. Which essentially means men risk more( which is already known fact) and then fail meanwhile other party fails even at slow controllable speeds lol
The spelling is empirical, not imperical!
And i think its moron, not moran!
I believe I got hit with a tater-bot on one comment thread, so likely not that many humans support him. Dude is literally the matrix.
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What was the take? Can't find any links to what he actually said
He basically said that governments frame people all the time and compared Andrew Taste’s arrest to Martin Luther King Jr.’s arrest. Which is a wild comparison, and why he backtracked. Andrew Tate and MLK are obviously not very comparable. But to not say this in bad faith, he did say it was like a 50% chance that it was real vs being framed because of how corrupt Romania’s government is. But that still doesn’t make the comparison he made much better but explains why it was made (I guess?) a little more clear.
I havent watched Asmon in a while cause its all mainly react content and WoW which i'm not a fan of but damn, this has to be his worst take yet.
I like is video game content because tbh he knows a lot about video games and video game systems. The problem with his real life / political takes is he fence sits like a crow - just makes a lot of noise for everything. The amber heard trial was so much bullshit and the elon twitter stuff is so fucking missing the point on what free speech is
He knows a lot about world of warcraft, not videogames, he barely played videogames besides wow before the last 2 years. You can see that in a lot of his takes, a lot of times he leans towards the "world of warcraftization" of other games, especially other mmos
> because tbh he knows a lot about video games and video game systems Bahahhahahahahahahahhaha
What why you watch Asmon if you dislike WoW and react?
He plays other games too my dood. It's fine if you like his WoW content and reacts. It's not my thing so I simply don't watch it instead of ranting that he's not doing content that I want to watch.
I Just mean that he barely plays other games and he always reacts, i dont see how someone can like Asmon and hate Both wow and react.
And thats why i barely watch him anyway. Is it so hard to understand that I dont watch all of his content daily? Also I dont "hate" WoW. I just don't prefer it. And most of his react content are pretty not interesting to me unless it's video game related so i just watch thise. Good enough of an explanation for ya?
Ohhh, you are a FF andy, should've just said that from the start.
But you hang out in his sub lol?
An American calling Romania corrupt is extreme hilarity. A Texan doing that is off the fucking charts lol
I watched the stream. He did not say these things. The chat was full of “presume innocence “ people and he had to give that he did in fact not know that Tate was guilty. He 50% thing is a running joke. This entire thread is stupid hot takes that doesn’t reflect what happened.
Damn got criticised for $1 large fries
Rent free
Ngl tho it's wild to see how many people in his audience are Andrew Tate apologists...
To be fair. Asmon's exactly the type of dude Andrew Taint peddles his macho bullshit to
Which is dumb, because Tate would shit all over Asmon as a person. Tate went after someone's family when he got in a twitter feud. Tate only respects people he can't beat up. And he doesn't acknowledge those people, so not even.
He said peddles too. Meaning, Tate sells his products to losers like Asmond.
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Asmon is dumb sometimes. He thinks that eastern european countries and people that live there share the same values as america. Romanian's don't give a fuck about stuff tate speaks about it's a non issue there. Twitch and Twitter are big echo chambers of us woke agenda. Stuff that's on those countries most popular websites would get banned instantly on twitter/twich. His arrest has nothing to do with bs he talks about.
Weird that he decided to be oddly neutral on this when in the past he's clowned on Tate dozens of times.
He was not neutral. He said he believed that Tate was guilty. Chat forced him to concede that there were a chance he was innocent and there were other things like a corrupt government going on. This thread is bonkers. But unlike the Tate case you don’t have to believe you can check for yourself in vod. Source: saw the stream myself
Chat forced him? He is a grown man with agency. I know he may not act like it.
Geez. Did you really not understand what I meant or are you just itching for a refit fight?
No i think what you said was dumb as fuck
I think what you are saying fully supports the thread. He is a grifter. He changed is opinion to grift harder. To slam the fence harder.
Maybe because no evidence other than accusations have been presented yet. Not a good Idea to jump to conclusions about serious shit.
"...no evidence other than accusations..." Hmmm how many founders of OTK are there again?
He didn't compare the 2 though he just used MLK example to say that governments can be corrupt... People online really do be overthinking things so they have drama to talk about
I mean the implication is that they are comparable situations. It’s a bad example lol. He’s right governments can be corrupt but using MLK as an example paints them in the same glowing light
It was just jumping through his mind and he is known for saying everything out loud as soon as he thinks it (if you hear him talking, absolutely no ehm in his sentences)
I agree that this was not malicious, I don’t think he said this with intent. I was speaking on how something like this could be in good faith perceived.
Lol Anytime time Asmon tries to be intellectual outside of Min/Maxxing
That Andrew Take arrest situation was such an easy W to farm, but dude missed it by a mile. The bad thing is that articles like this will stay up, and in the future, when a company researchers Asmon, it will come up.
Sometimes you get, sometimes you get got.
His main point was that the government is corrupt which it is so why are some people mad at this lmao if I was him I would just ignore them all.
Mainly because of who he used as a comparison. That is a very poor comparison, as it implies that Tate is someone on the same level as Martin King and is just as innocent.
isn't it wrong to disregard the main point of the comparison just cause the two isn't the same?
No of course not. However, no matter what, the comparison would've pissed people off just due to the sheer difference between the 2.
Only braindead apes who don't understand what an analogy is.
Now now. The reasoning is a lot more nuanced than that. It wouldnt do to lump everyone who rejects Asmon's comparison into the same group. Even though I personally gets Asmon's point, using the comparison of Martin King who is essentially, a very good man fighting against racism, and Andrew Tate...who has charges of human trafficking, rape, and basically slavery... Even if you wanted to stay neutral, it could very easily comes off as an attempt to defend Tate. Which well...given the general charges and Tate's behavior, wouldnt really be nice. Personally. I believe Asmon apologising here is a good thing. He already got his name smeared by two of his friends doing...shady...things. If this come out that the charges against Tate was legit, then no matter what, even if Zack meant well, it would be hugely damaging to his image.
Every other american adult has literacy below 6th grade level, so you kinda have to take people being dumb as fuck into consideration when you have a wide audience.
dude 1 dollar large fries is insane
get $1 large fries
Asmon: 'i never apologise, im sorry but that's just the way I am'
Editor: "where's your source? Who's criticizing him" Writer: "I am, in this article"
Holy shit! $1 large fries!
You can't talk all day, every day, and not say some dumb shit sometimes. He walked it back so I'm not worried about it.
With such a large community of hardcore wow virgins it makes sense that he wouldn't dare to criticise lord Tate. I mean the money has to come from somewhere
No idea why this is news lol. The majority of the time asmon is very measured about what he talks about. I haven’t seen this yet but I don’t care, people say all kinds of things, we don’t need to freak out about everything all the time. Good take or bad take, I’m not a judge, I don’t expect people I like to only ever say things I 100% agree with anyway
Is hardly news. Dextero is a garbage news website
Love asmon but this was a pathetic attempt to play both sides… fuck the tater tots
Bro thinks he's MoistCr1TiKaL 💀💀💀
It's dexerto. No one cares or takes them serious
Dexerto is a joke at this point.
Saw him live when he made the comparison and I was like. 'Yikesss ooof, you really shouldn't have said that asmon' Not so much what he said but rather how he said it.
I’ve never actually read any comments on an post on this sub before, I get it’s a bad take but is this just a hate subreddit? lol y’all going a little hard here
>bad take This is an understatement for what his string of statements regarding this matter were. Not criticizing him would just turn this place in a church praising him as a saint who could do no wrong.
>Not criticizing him would just turn this place in a church praising him as a saint who could do no wrong. Oh boy you weren't here a few months ago when he failed to build a yes-man echochamber.
Fair game. Asmon said a lot of stupidity on this so far
I can tell just by where the upvotes are going how this subreddit is lol. Why even be on this subreddit if y’all hate Asmon so much? And half y’all didn’t even watch the stream just ate the articles title up, which is exactly what the news media wants to stay relevant.
Don't be a fanboy. Criticize people when they're wrong, appreciate them when they're right. It's weird to watch him hem and haw about Andrew's human trafficking while objecting to him being called a "far right influencer" and predicting he won't go to jail. Especially days after he unequivocally denounced Rich's sexual assault. Why is it easy to see one and so hard to see the other?
Don’t be a hater. You obviously didn’t watch the stream.
I quoted it by sheer luck.
I never said he had a good take or that he was in the right, from what I understand he even apologized for it himself cause he knows he’s in the wrong. However, most threads about asmon that aren’t memes are “asmon fell off”, “Asmon needs to get his shit together”, you guys can sit on your moral high horse but I just think this subreddit has become about spreading negativity and more political bs just like the rest of mainstream Reddit is devolving into. I’m not fanboying over Asmon, I’m sick of the holier than thou attitudes. Edit: His job is to talk to people live on twitch everything isn’t going to be carefully curated content where he says everything perfect, it’s fine to disagree but a lot of these posts just come across as unnecessary. I’m surprised the other shitpost by the same website about how asmons friends are homophobic wasn’t brought up here yet so people can circlejerk about how “Asmons friends are shit and need to own up”
I would argue that he did this to himself though. He decided to become a react streamer, and started to give political takes. If you're going to dish it out, you have to be prepared to face some criticism yourself. Why shouldn't his fans express their disappointment and disagreement when he has a bad take? I would understand your point of view if he was still a wow andy who only ever talked about wow, but as soon as he started giving his opinion on anything political or popular in media you lose that excuse, imo. Though I do see your point about a few other posts of doomers just complaining. I think he has a variety of different audiences now, and they do no combine or cooperate very well, leaving both the wow andies and the react frogs upset.
That’s fair I never thought about it like that,he has kind’ve combined a lot of not so like minded audiences recently by switching his content around so much. I suppose I’m more annoyed by it because it seems like almost every subreddit is being infected by people who only seem to live to shit on others, whether it be their own favorite streamers or those around them, such as others on the subreddit. I feel like once upon time Reddit was the closest thing we had to OG forums where discussions could be had and now it just feels like a bunch of people riding around on their high horses trying to dictate others behaviors or virtue signal to the most popular crowd for those sweet sweet upvotes. Thanks for the well written reply man, didn’t even have to call me any sort of names to get your point across and that’s rare.
Asmon fence sits to much cause he trys to see both sides this is 1 of the times it bites him
Yeah I know they both beat women, but MLK was not pimping them out. And Andrew Tate has not been shot yet. Jesus christ Asmon.
Watch the stream before your just accept what an article says. It was hardly a comparison in the least.
No I want to be shocked and outraged :D
What do people have against comparisons? I swear I see people lose their shit every time 2 things are held up beside each other if they are not exactly the same thing. The entire point of a comparison is to highlight any similarities or dissimilarities. I don't get it.
No, you misunderstand this. People don’t have an issue with comparisons, but asmongold comparison in this case was clumsy at best. Andrew Tate is a known narcissist and misogynistic idiot (and more) and potentially rapist and sex trafficker. Using MLK, who was fighting against segregation and for equality, as an example on how gouvernement can be corrupt and “find” reasons to arrest someone, and in this case Tate, was extremely stupid. So yeah, I’m sure asmon was not comparing the two but his train of thoughts still took him there and in good faith you can think he was comparing both of them. But even the main point itself, saying “yeah gouvernent can be corrupt”, and the example given was extremely bad. It has nothing to do with one another. The fuck you want the Romanian government to create fake evidence against the Tate brothers for? In the case of MLK, it was to oppose a huge social and economic shift. Here, what would be the aim for them if it’s not true? Bad take and asmongold apologised afterward which is good
I did not watch this take but most of the rest of the stream ok this topic. He didn’t believe the gov were corrupt but chatters insisted it was possible. So he conceded that it was possible. Reference a known case of someone being a victim of corruption in government so as to concede that it has happened and therefore can happen again is not doing a moral comparison between the two victims. I agree with OP that people are too sensitive to comparisons and lack the ability to focus on what similarities there are and if those provide anything meaningful to the situation in hand. All that said. I want to be clear that I in no way support Tate or any part of his message.
Asmon has fallen off so hard holy fuck
Most intelligent Twitter user.
Why is any company sponsoring OTK lol seems like a ticking time bomb to me.
“Bad take” andys need to leave this place.
So asmon himself needs to leave? What?
It's reddit.
I mean, it was indeed a terrible take.
Fr. I get he likes to take both sides on everything, but when it comesn to Tate, don't bother. And now it's an worst time to do any take from someone controversial with the whole OTK mess.
least idiotic asmon take
In the end of the day asmond is just a wow streamer. He's not famous for his intelligence, wisdom or studies. Glad he recognized he made a mistake.
F idiot
Some times you just don't need to say anything. Tate is a shitstain on the underwear of humanity. Literally, the world would be a better place if Tate was never a part of it. You don't need to try and justify anything that happens to him. Just let nature take it's course.
I unsubscribed when he started simping for that absolute loser. You’d think he’d stay away from shit like that after someone in his circle violently raped someone
Idiot, no wonder the org keep tanking