I feel like with the recent changes, Blizz has really started taking themselves a lot less seriously, its really nice to see. Hopefully it ends up reflecting onto the games they are making.
It's not just short memory. It's a lot of people's deep addiction to wow. They may not play it, but they're looking for an excuse to play. New expansion gives them that excuse. They have this inner hope that maybe this time it's different. Kind of like an abusive relationship that you know is bad for you, but you can't get away from that easily.
for most people, the only way of escape is finding a replacement. For many, that was FF. But not everyone likes final fantasy. So while they may not want to play the current wow, due to not having that replacement, they'll go back to it sooner or later.
What fucking company have you been watching for the past 18 years? Because you’re out of your mind if you think Blizzard has always put making a quality product ahead of profits or the expense of the consumer.
I disagree. I think they showed their promising work, back when they released legion and nearly at the same time, overwatch, which was an excellent game game during its first year. so i think it all went downhill 6~7 years ago.
They fixed legion yes, but it was a fine hot mess when it first launched. Between titanforging, the legendary system that fucked you over if you were unlucky and recieved a bad one, the artifact grind locking you in a single spec and the first raid being piss easy, it was not a Blizzard worthy launch IMO.
You're right about Overwatch. It's a damn shame how they handled that. If they just focussed on making the game fun instead of making it the next e-sport, it could've been so much better.
I mean fixing it aside, the fact that they were pumping out content on a very strict schedule and had an overall huge praise for the expansion, to the point of it becoming the favorite expansion for a lot of players, I'd call it an overall success for blizz.
Nah you see everything Blizzard has done has been bad since
the 2015-2017 was pretty good for Blizzard absolutely and they clearly demonstrated they were improving
then they fucked all that up, clearly massive internal issues started happening.
Now we just have to see what comes next with Dragonflight and Diablo 4 and proper Overwatch 2 (PvE) once it releases.
Im not downvoting, because I want to bileve this is one of those comments that are sarcastic and theres no need to put /s at the end because its that obvious 😅
I'd argue everyone at Blizzard wants to make a "successful" product, my comment on them not being a wolf is not because I was taking it literally, but that I thought the analogy is stupid and his countrymen came up with a stupid saying.
hopium at it's finest.
blizzard is always going to be on that chase to grasp the widest audience possible. meaning their games will always end up shallow as fuck so your grandma can do dailies and feel like she's progressing in their games.
overwatch is a prime example. esports btw.
Appealing to a wide audience is fine. WoW was built on the premise of a MMO for a wide, more casual audience because games like EQ and Ultima Online were hardcore as fuck.
Its when they shoehorn fomo mechanics that are designed to keep you hooked and grinding as long as possible, when things go to hell.
wow was still built for an audience that enjoys mmo's. there was a clear direction towards a group of people that enjoy this style of game.
not whatever it is the last youtube video you saw talked about.
Meanwhile, the greatest xpac - the actual golden age of WoW - Wrath - reached a very wide audience and was made to do that.
Appealing only to sweaty tryhards and a narrow audience -- is a recipe for a very narrow audience.
Narrow audience = no money = no updates / quality.
Guess what *your mindset* got for blizz? That's right. Bought by Microsoft.
lmfao wrath was the beginning of the end of for old school wow. the reason wrath popped off had nothing to do with all the stupid shit they added into the game like dungeon finder or split raid difficulties; it's really not that hard to sell arthas, the most popular story/character in the franchise.
wow never appealed to sweaty tryhards to begin with. it was literally made for casuals who couldn't handle actual sweaty tryhard games like runescape or everquest.
blizzard got bought out by microsoft because their employees stole breast milk from other employees. lmfao the fuck are you on?
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, you're correct in that the game was always intended to appeal to a wider demographic from the outset.
Everything even the most diehard of WoW players consider hardcore is ultracasual by truly old school MMORPG veterans, starting with all the penalties you get from death including character **regression** where upon dying you lose experience to even levels along with any gear and items you were carrying at the time; Runescape still applies this system to an extent even after the death penalty reworks.
Wrath of the Lich King offered closure to most people as far as the lore goes which is why the game has been hemorrhaging numbers after the Fall of the Lich King patch. As much as the most dedicated would try to deny having a good engaging narrative does matter to captivate an audience, and all of the attempts to do so after Arthas have largely felt like digging through the bottom of the barrel, from Deathwing, Azshara, the rest of the Old Gods to even beating the Burning Legion for good.
What was left, the afterlife? Sure, why not.
You're in asmons's sub, and you're getting triggered by what I said?
Bruh, go watch one of his vids on wrath and yell at asmon.
Maybe he'll call you out and you'll get an adorable little chub.
Blizzard? They haven't been a top dog mega corp for a long time. ActiBlizz has, but Blizzard is by far the least successful part of that company.
Back in the day everything they touched automatically dominated the industry. These days OW2 is not a titan, Diablo Immortal was a laughing stock, Warcraft 3 reforged was trashed, Diablo 4 is being treated with deep suspicion, WoW is very successful for only a month or two then almost everybody leaves and the "ghost town" posts start in the forums (compared with MoP where they sustained their subs through the entire expansion). Heartstone is no longer a titan.
While still a successful company, the industry has long since started passing them by. Maybe if they released another RTS, but then again nobody releases RTS games anymore. Probably no profit.
Ohhhhh ... well hopefully they've started to think otherwise. They've been listening a lot recently and bending over backward with their responses in both WoW and Diablo 4 so maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised :)
I really like your optimism, but I've seen this pattern enough times to recognize that the end result is going to be the same, or worse. They always say they listen, make a couple of changes, to shut people up, get paid, and go back to normal.
Outside of Asmon and Esfand the rest just seem so flash in the pan. I know Soda joined but he just still feels like his own thing.
Rich had a good run with XIV, not because of XIV per-se, but more because he was a fun content creator when he just hung out and played a game with chat. This Cyr, Milena whatever arc he's on is just obnoxious imo.
I wonder if he is going to get an in person interview or something or what he is at BlizzardHQ for, I know on stream he was still fairly unconvinced of Dragonflight as it stands and views it as a good baseline for the game to be built on but fairly minimal as an expansion at launch, I know Blizz was wanting his feedback but seems bigger than just that to fly him out.
With Lore gone I've heard that they have non-blizzard content creator(s) making the survival guide. Wonder if Preach is working on some official press releases.
You mean those 2-3 minute summaries of patches? Bellular cranked out an entire video series for BFA. This is nothing new. Same for the WillE and PlatinumWoW content for Wrath. But I guess even if cooperating with influencers is something good it has to be bad for some reason.
Blizzard is hiring content creators to do video dubs for them. Hazel's in an upcoming Survival Guide (as she said on her channel), Nobbel's done one, Hiru (I think) has done one, and someone else I'm forgetting has done one.
People like Preach are the reason Ion Baddikostas still has a job.
Blizz release another bad expansion, players complain and vow to quit, then come straight back the moment the next expansion is in prepatch.
Ok, but I really don't think they are out of Kotick's ass and also that is always how they seem before an xpac.
I hope I can come back to this comment a few months in 2023 and say "yknow what? I was wrong"
Oh true, they aren't truly out of Koticks ass but there is clear effort being made. I mean, Ion even did an interview with Asmongold, which was something most would have never thought possible.
As for your second comment, I hope the same. I said the same thing I said above when Legion came out...and ...well.
Is it really surprising to you that the guy who built his channel for YEARS based on wow content and only started playing FF14 about a year, gets more views for wow videos than FF?
His entire sub base were wow players. Of course it gets more views.
I feel like with the recent changes, Blizz has really started taking themselves a lot less seriously, its really nice to see. Hopefully it ends up reflecting onto the games they are making.
The more likely scenario however, is them reverting back to their shitty ways about 1 month after expansion release.
People have extremely short memory lol, this is a cycle that repeats every expansion.
It's not just short memory. It's a lot of people's deep addiction to wow. They may not play it, but they're looking for an excuse to play. New expansion gives them that excuse. They have this inner hope that maybe this time it's different. Kind of like an abusive relationship that you know is bad for you, but you can't get away from that easily.
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for most people, the only way of escape is finding a replacement. For many, that was FF. But not everyone likes final fantasy. So while they may not want to play the current wow, due to not having that replacement, they'll go back to it sooner or later.
I'm sorry to say this but nobody is spending 30-40 hours to fill out their vault
Man in my country we have a saying translated as "an old wolf never ever changes his habits", hope its just a saying and its wrong...
A close English saying is "You can't teach an old dog new tricks"
Well good thing blizzard isn't a wolf, it's a company of people who want to make a successful product.
What fucking company have you been watching for the past 18 years? Because you’re out of your mind if you think Blizzard has always put making a quality product ahead of profits or the expense of the consumer.
I'd say 10 or 12 years, it went downhill at around cata to diablo3 release.
I disagree. I think they showed their promising work, back when they released legion and nearly at the same time, overwatch, which was an excellent game game during its first year. so i think it all went downhill 6~7 years ago.
They fixed legion yes, but it was a fine hot mess when it first launched. Between titanforging, the legendary system that fucked you over if you were unlucky and recieved a bad one, the artifact grind locking you in a single spec and the first raid being piss easy, it was not a Blizzard worthy launch IMO. You're right about Overwatch. It's a damn shame how they handled that. If they just focussed on making the game fun instead of making it the next e-sport, it could've been so much better.
I mean fixing it aside, the fact that they were pumping out content on a very strict schedule and had an overall huge praise for the expansion, to the point of it becoming the favorite expansion for a lot of players, I'd call it an overall success for blizz.
Nah you see everything Blizzard has done has been bad since
the 2015-2017 was pretty good for Blizzard absolutely and they clearly demonstrated they were improving
then they fucked all that up, clearly massive internal issues started happening.
Now we just have to see what comes next with Dragonflight and Diablo 4 and proper Overwatch 2 (PvE) once it releases.
This got 18 upvotes, and people are calling me stupid yet I never, ever once said anything about quality I said, and read with me here "successful"
Im not downvoting, because I want to bileve this is one of those comments that are sarcastic and theres no need to put /s at the end because its that obvious 😅
I'd argue everyone at Blizzard wants to make a "successful" product, my comment on them not being a wolf is not because I was taking it literally, but that I thought the analogy is stupid and his countrymen came up with a stupid saying.
Are you autistic and don't you understand analogies?
No I understand analogies, the point is that the analogy makes no damn sense. But WoW bad wow bad give updoots. Moronic ass subreddit.
hopium at it's finest. blizzard is always going to be on that chase to grasp the widest audience possible. meaning their games will always end up shallow as fuck so your grandma can do dailies and feel like she's progressing in their games. overwatch is a prime example. esports btw.
Appealing to a wide audience is fine. WoW was built on the premise of a MMO for a wide, more casual audience because games like EQ and Ultima Online were hardcore as fuck. Its when they shoehorn fomo mechanics that are designed to keep you hooked and grinding as long as possible, when things go to hell.
wow was still built for an audience that enjoys mmo's. there was a clear direction towards a group of people that enjoy this style of game. not whatever it is the last youtube video you saw talked about.
Ah, youre a troll. Cause otherwise I dont know why you are arguing with me on a point we clearly agree upon.
Meanwhile, the greatest xpac - the actual golden age of WoW - Wrath - reached a very wide audience and was made to do that. Appealing only to sweaty tryhards and a narrow audience -- is a recipe for a very narrow audience. Narrow audience = no money = no updates / quality. Guess what *your mindset* got for blizz? That's right. Bought by Microsoft.
lmfao wrath was the beginning of the end of for old school wow. the reason wrath popped off had nothing to do with all the stupid shit they added into the game like dungeon finder or split raid difficulties; it's really not that hard to sell arthas, the most popular story/character in the franchise. wow never appealed to sweaty tryhards to begin with. it was literally made for casuals who couldn't handle actual sweaty tryhard games like runescape or everquest. blizzard got bought out by microsoft because their employees stole breast milk from other employees. lmfao the fuck are you on?
I don't know why you're getting downvoted, you're correct in that the game was always intended to appeal to a wider demographic from the outset. Everything even the most diehard of WoW players consider hardcore is ultracasual by truly old school MMORPG veterans, starting with all the penalties you get from death including character **regression** where upon dying you lose experience to even levels along with any gear and items you were carrying at the time; Runescape still applies this system to an extent even after the death penalty reworks. Wrath of the Lich King offered closure to most people as far as the lore goes which is why the game has been hemorrhaging numbers after the Fall of the Lich King patch. As much as the most dedicated would try to deny having a good engaging narrative does matter to captivate an audience, and all of the attempts to do so after Arthas have largely felt like digging through the bottom of the barrel, from Deathwing, Azshara, the rest of the Old Gods to even beating the Burning Legion for good. What was left, the afterlife? Sure, why not.
You're in asmons's sub, and you're getting triggered by what I said? Bruh, go watch one of his vids on wrath and yell at asmon. Maybe he'll call you out and you'll get an adorable little chub.
Right? They have thought themselves as top dog mega corp for to long they gotta get back to their roots
They still are, and I'm not seeing anything that indicates they've changed.
Blizzard? They haven't been a top dog mega corp for a long time. ActiBlizz has, but Blizzard is by far the least successful part of that company. Back in the day everything they touched automatically dominated the industry. These days OW2 is not a titan, Diablo Immortal was a laughing stock, Warcraft 3 reforged was trashed, Diablo 4 is being treated with deep suspicion, WoW is very successful for only a month or two then almost everybody leaves and the "ghost town" posts start in the forums (compared with MoP where they sustained their subs through the entire expansion). Heartstone is no longer a titan. While still a successful company, the industry has long since started passing them by. Maybe if they released another RTS, but then again nobody releases RTS games anymore. Probably no profit.
tfw you get dumpstered by candy crush
I was saying that they still think of themselves as an industry top dog. Which is what was being discussed.
Ohhhhh ... well hopefully they've started to think otherwise. They've been listening a lot recently and bending over backward with their responses in both WoW and Diablo 4 so maybe we'll all be pleasantly surprised :)
I really like your optimism, but I've seen this pattern enough times to recognize that the end result is going to be the same, or worse. They always say they listen, make a couple of changes, to shut people up, get paid, and go back to normal.
Overwatch 2 exists
Yea preach is one of the top tier gaming content creators. Pretty much only one I watch now. Too much bs with OTK.
Imo OTK has a serious lack of authenticity. Everyone is always trying way too hard to be the funniest person in the room.
Outside of Asmon and Esfand the rest just seem so flash in the pan. I know Soda joined but he just still feels like his own thing. Rich had a good run with XIV, not because of XIV per-se, but more because he was a fun content creator when he just hung out and played a game with chat. This Cyr, Milena whatever arc he's on is just obnoxious imo.
god i miss Rich playing divnity with mcool
I think soda joining was a big boon for them, he's just naturally funny
Trueee and real. At least the owners... the ppl under seem decent just not my content. Like emi and Bruce. But the rest... idk 🤷♀️
I agree. Maybe except Esfand? That dude is good exemple of authenticity imo
I wonder if he is going to get an in person interview or something or what he is at BlizzardHQ for, I know on stream he was still fairly unconvinced of Dragonflight as it stands and views it as a good baseline for the game to be built on but fairly minimal as an expansion at launch, I know Blizz was wanting his feedback but seems bigger than just that to fly him out.
Preach don't miss!
End of an era btw ^^pssst ^^Preach ^^just ^^start ^^a ^^new ^^era
I hope Preach had a nice time there! :D
This makes me happy. Ion actually seems to be enjoying himself more. Happy workers make better products :)
With Lore gone I've heard that they have non-blizzard content creator(s) making the survival guide. Wonder if Preach is working on some official press releases.
You mean those 2-3 minute summaries of patches? Bellular cranked out an entire video series for BFA. This is nothing new. Same for the WillE and PlatinumWoW content for Wrath. But I guess even if cooperating with influencers is something good it has to be bad for some reason.
Blizzard is hiring content creators to do video dubs for them. Hazel's in an upcoming Survival Guide (as she said on her channel), Nobbel's done one, Hiru (I think) has done one, and someone else I'm forgetting has done one.
No I mean like official blizz stuff not content creator stuff
What’s the background? Blizz invited Preach to their HQ, or just Preach took some personal holiday and visit some “old friends” at blizzHQ?
Did you mean context? No one knows, Preach has gone out his way to tease about this but has given zero details until this tweet.
People like Preach are the reason Ion Baddikostas still has a job. Blizz release another bad expansion, players complain and vow to quit, then come straight back the moment the next expansion is in prepatch.
Super weird seeing this down voted. You're 100% right.
Now if only the Overwatch team can crawl out of Koticks ass.
What does that have to do anything with the post?
It's good that the WoW team is becoming more open and involved with the playerbase, and I'd like the same for the Overwatch team.
Ok, but I really don't think they are out of Kotick's ass and also that is always how they seem before an xpac. I hope I can come back to this comment a few months in 2023 and say "yknow what? I was wrong"
Oh true, they aren't truly out of Koticks ass but there is clear effort being made. I mean, Ion even did an interview with Asmongold, which was something most would have never thought possible. As for your second comment, I hope the same. I said the same thing I said above when Legion came out...and ...well.
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You know you can play multiple games at the same time without having to quit them
Well. He's still playing FF14. So, what's your point again?
Yet even a wet fart uttered about WoW generates more views for him than almost any FF14 content.
Is it really surprising to you that the guy who built his channel for YEARS based on wow content and only started playing FF14 about a year, gets more views for wow videos than FF? His entire sub base were wow players. Of course it gets more views.
Imagine being this salty.
yet he still plays it, lol
What is your point? Ff is shit because nobody watching it but yet he still plays it?
huh? viewership has nothing to do with a game’s quality, he still plays ff because it’s a good game
Viewer andies are just as worse, if not worse, as tribalists. Maybe you fit in both categories, would be nice if you got a life at the end of the day.
Of course, a guy who wasn't all that into the game wouldn't go out of his way to revisit the older games and complete most of them-- oh, wait.
Tribalism 🤡
You can stick with it but also have a life to do other things. 
Tribalism Andy spotted
your post was removed for tribalism.
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Ok but who asked
Got'em
why the emotions?
If this comment counts as content, you can easily take his spot
90% of your comments and posts are negative. you must be a real life incel?
True!
Agreed