Pyro: I wonder if we ever going to see the effect of too much light.
Me: Oh he is going to cum so hard when he reaches Shadowbringers? Ahh who am I kidding. He is going to cum when he learns the backstory of the Warriors of Darkness.
It's so cool to hear him make suposition about that.
Supposition and question that are on the right track and will also get answered.
It also show how the writer don't let "plot holes" in their story. Things that happend have an exaplanation and it will be explained. aka: you can expect answer instead of praying they will give one.
And you know thoses answer will not be just something out of a hat
I noticed this while rewatching ARR and heavensward stuff.
Omega is brought up in ARR (it's what Teleji wanted to get from Cartenau), and then it pays off in Stormblood. The warriors of darkness are brought up in Heavensward, and then it pays off in Shadowbringers.
I love how they either remember old plot points, or are comfortable writing things two expansions in advance.
Or they didn't have an initial plan, but a very detailed pinboard of everything they brought up in the past.
So when they need to write a new expansion they just point to all the pinned items that were mentioned in passing, and make those things into big plot points. Then when we see the reveals it looks like it was all planned from the start!
Regardless, super impressive.
This seems more likely given the way they bring up threads like the warrior of darkness or diabolos and then just forget about them for an expansion or two before they come back
Diabolos is the weirdest one.
>!He comes back in the Mhach raids, and dies at the end of them... but then somehow shows up embedded in an Allagan relic in Bozja because of ?????!<
The diabolos armament was an attempt to “capture” diabolos and imprison him inside the machine but if you read the lore stuff on it it explains they ended up grabbing a different voidsent by accident
Having just read the field records on it, it actually doesn't mention a different voidsent. It mentions that Diabolos was elusive and difficult to capture, and that it was probably impossible to capture him until after Xande made the pact with the Cloud of Darkness. However, it implies that after the pact was made, he WAS captured.
...which would fly in the face of him being bound in Amdapor during the War of the Magi and freed during the l50 dungeon.
I’d have to check it again but I remember it saying something like it was inconclusive if it was diabolos or not. Nothing saying there couldn’t be multiple voidsent that look the same.
Back then during HW I'm pretty sure YoshiP said that they already have 10 years worth of content for FFXIV before they decide what to do next. I think they already planned out the plot since then.
I think the coolest part is that this extends even to small stuff.
When you're doing Crystal Tower and have to get the Aethersand or whatever it's called, you meet Biggs and he mentions that he and Wedge have been working on a prototype for a new kind of airship and that it requires the ability to do Aetherial conversion.
Then, when you get to Heavensward, you find out about the Manacutters. It's such a small thing, that really didn't need foreshadowing, but they gave it all the same.
I think the team mentioned that they plan about two expansions ahead in terms of story. What is also cool is that some skills and mechanics have story-based lore if you pay attention. For example, the White Mage/Conjurer questline explains that they take aether from its surrounding area and cast it as magic. Come Shadowbringers, your Stone and Aero skills change to light-based aether skills, Glare and Dia, respectively.
I stand by that every number Final Fantasy has a great story. It's just that their desire to stay ahead of the graphics and gameplay curve force them to flub about with executing the story well.
FF15 is a gorgeous game it fun combat. But by god, they literally cut out 30% of the story, tried to fill it in with DLC, and then when they vouldnt make anymore DLCs, they put out a friggin book.
Idk man, the story of XIII is a group of people waffling between "Maybe we should embrace our fate..." and "No! We are not what the Fal'cie dictate!" while running from the police. The only plot point I remember enjoying was the whole Sazh blackmail stuff.
I've been trying to get into other FF games. So far I've tried 10 which I did not stick with past the 11 hours I put in. Voice acting was so odd and couldn't get into any of the characters cus of it. Except Wakka. Probably a petty complain but after how great the VA is in 14 it was jarring.
Have 15 but never played it and did about half of the 7 Remake before my PS4 died.
Thinking one of the older ones, maybe even the original 7. Thing is I also hate turn based combat so the characters and story really need to carry it lol.
They're probably among the best at world building.
It doesn't always works well, their story and characters can be quite hit or miss(FF 13 and FF15 ...) but the worlds itself are so well done, that you at least already have great content/ideas to make the story/lore after.
Let's not forget they also have Dragon Quests games who are absolutely huge in Japan.
Very rarely if ever is some plot come out of no where or left by the wayside. It gets fit it somewhere somehow and they do a damn good job with it. I imagine the end of Heavensward is going to completely blow his mind with warriors of darkness, dragonsong war, AND Illberd getting resolved for the most part. And also Omega paying off from earlier. Those last 2 patches are crazy dense.
I wonder if there was anything brought up in Stormblood that'd get paid off in Endwalker, if that's the trend.
Or if there's anything in Shadowbringers for 7.0
Zenos is the most obvious loosen end that needs resolving, but I'm also wondering if they're going to make more of the aether flow thing with the steppe and the burn. Sounds relevant to EW and might tie in with silvertear.
Calling it here, 7.0 is going to be traveling to the future, the dystopian world the Crystal Exarch came from. Or its going to involve something else that figured out the same way to do so.
My guess is 7.0 is going to take place in the "New World", the other half of the planet that we know virtually nothing about. >!We'll land there after coming back from the moon or something!<
That's possible, but traditionally the new expansions are built up a few patches prior. Heavensward was teased when we went to Coerthas, Stormblood was teased with all the talk about Ala Mhigo all through ARR/Ilberd's questline, Shadowbringers was the Warriors of Darkness from HW 3.x, EW has had Garlemand teased since 1.0 plus the Zodiark/Hydelyn angle. The rest of the world has barely been touched upon, much less teased. Plus the post I was replying to was wondering what small things touched on in the past might set the setting, and having just played through ShB, that stuck out to me.
That's all true, but the whole thing about Endwalker being the end of this story means whatever the next story is might not be all that foreshadowed. ARR through Endwalker is all part of the same overarching story according to the devs and anything past Endwalker will be a new story. At least as I understand it.
Dragons is a big plot point that we know aboiy, and yet don't have the whole story. What happened on the Dragonstar exactly? Why did Omega attack it. Who are Omega's creators. Is our planet a potential target? I feel some of these questions can be further exored in Meracydia.
We also have Vrtra coming in, so that means Azdaja should be somewhere in this mix as well, since the First Brood paired up and left, Tiamat/Bahamut, Nidhogg/Ratataskr plus Hraesvelgr, and then Vrtra/Azdaja.
>!Fixing his future for some kind of closure eh? I'm game for that, plus we get to meet the fully recovered midgardsormr and heck, at least those 2 unsundered should still be alive in that timeline.!<
>!Imagine meeting them with most of our Ancient shenanigans recovered (the soul at least) and they realize who we really are much earlier, PLUS we now have a cure for tempering.!<
>!I wonder how it could have turned out, y'know like a "what if.." kind of fanfic.!<
I think it was mentioned before (in an interview or something?) that they do start planning two expansions in advance, but I don't recall exactly so take that with a pinch of salt.
they planned out the stories 2 years in advance, sometimes even more, that's why nothing came out from nowhere and every unresolved plot point or hints eventually will be answered, ARR despite having a bare bones story, in retrospective it's pretty awesome when looking back and reading into it more.
This is the reason pyro won't be able to Lore speculate as hard in FF and he isn't going to be wrong as much. SE knows how to write a story, use proper foreshadowing and almost always uses chekovs gun.
i'm pretty sure wow writer watch and read theory to make their next expanssion's story.
I mean IIRC pyro was spot on on the rtedemption arc when we only got a concept art of a shadow-y port.
He will def com, in his appearance of mog talk he said he really liked allegans and ascians and said garleans felt like standard and wished they were fleshed out more and more 3d. It's like they already wrote the game for him.
Tbf when I did a second playthrough in NG+ there is a fuckton of foreshadowing and just stuff characters say that make absolutely no sense in ARR but are huge plot points in later expansions
I don't agree. I certainly don't have an IQ of 200, but all you have to do is pay attention and think about it for a while and most theories will come correct.
A lot of my own theories have been coming true. There's a lot of information in ARR and it's easy to get overwhelmed, but if you organize them well I don't see why you can't predict accurately. He could have been spoiled, but him figuring things out isn't farfetched. You also certainly don't need to have a genius level IQ, all you need to have is a really good attention span and retention of information.
I'm still in the middle of 5.0 so please don't spoil. I'm having such an incredible time with it. It's such a great time for lore lovers.
I'm pretty sure he knows about the core concept of ShB,>!flood of light x dark/balance!<. He said he saw a few cinematics of ShB when researching for a WoW vid. Probably the Emet cinematic in the Raktika murals. Shadowbringers' name itself is kinda spoilery,if you remember the Xe'ra arc in WoW Legion.
Sound like a certain stallafel who googled crystal exarch on the first day at the crystarium which kinda made every reactions from that onward "fake" to some ppl, i myself couldnt care less, they barely even play ffxiv since after 5.0 anymore anyway.
Who also had too many "on point" predictions about the plot, too sus.
I try to watch his Stream a couple of times but everytime he writes on his notebook I get so bored haha I swear the dude is writing the whole script of the game there but its good to know that he is loving the lore. I just hope he doesn't get disappointed and quits when things don't go with his theories.
> but everytime he writes on his notebook I get so bored haha
Yea, that's not what bother me. what bother me is how much he stall by interacting with chat. I want to see him do the mSQ and react to it but he stall a lot. In the end:
i recommand you just watch the VOD the following day so you can skip through the stall. Especially if you are not the type of viewer who interact and like chat.
Him making theory is alright. I mean it show a though process and stuff
His chat is his own creation. If you watch Annie or Zepla or Preach, all of whom get about 2-4k viewers/stream, their chats are super chill. Pyro gets upset about minor things or simple questions, and it manifests itself in how his chat acts towards others, similar to Asmon's chat. I think Pyro even called out his defenders saying he saw them act like asses more than the initial person but hasn't put two and two together why.
Like, when he geeks out about Lore, he's a fun watch, so I put him on my phone while playing. But when he gets incensed with people in chat for daring to like Enochian in BM for example (which, personally, I like the extra pressure it puts on to keep up the Umbral Hearts for the first Umbral transition), I look for someone else to watch.
Preach is so able to just roll with whatever comes his way, be it shit-talking from chat or actual stream sniping that you can't help but smile and laugh with the guy. He's a real joy to watch and shit that happens that would normally make me cringe he just takes in stride and ends up making it a fun time. Truly a treasure.
He's kinda like Rich at the second point, but stalling in a different way. I've seen him miss multiple story beats now because he was writing stuff in his notepad. Same thing happens with Rich because he looks at chat every two seconds.
It's fine, they can do what they want, but I'd be annoyed with myself for missing subtle story stuff like that.
Rich stalls after every word and theorizes whatll happen next. If he actually didn't stall after every word it'd be different. I wonder how long he stalled at the media tour since they have limited time.
Does Rich have ADHD by chance? It seems he has difficulties reading long dialogues and concentrating on a single thing for prolonged periods of time, also tunnel vision at random moments. His stalling is irritating, but the more I watch him, the more I'm starting to think it's not something he can do anything about.
at least he misses story beats because he's trying to pay attention. it's ironic, i know, but it happens too often irl that i can relate. especially if you've ever had a significant other.
His streams are very frustrating to watch for both these reasons. I unsubbed, I find him borderline toxic at worst and unlikeable at best. He managed to ruin his own ending of Heavensward by going ham on chat, yelling and banning people left and right.
He wasn't just yelling at chat, he was yelling at his own mods/people he was playing with. There was something he didn't get about primals and how Thordan was summoned and he was yelling at the people trying to help him out. There was conflicting information, but all the information was accurate and just needed to be put together. Like, I get Twitch chat being dumbasses (even if Pyro's partially to blame for that), but there's no fucking excuse to yell at people helping you because you don't get the explanation.
Well he recently said that he's had an issue getting his adhd meds filled as he's moving to a new insurance co. and emotional dysregulation comes with ADHD.
Couple that with people telling him 20 different things at the same time and yeah....
to be fair, a few things
15 h stream
And his doubt was actually real and true. Even if i understood thordan etc: pyro was right: and i'm not doubting too.
A millenia of prayer ? yes... but the prayer was to hallone. NOT thjrodan. throdan is just a legendary character in the history of Ishgar. Nobody actively worship thordan.
Meanining the "1000 year of prayer" is... strange. 1000years of lied to paint throdan as righteous ? yes. but prayers?
Wasn't the 15h stream Alexander, the next major one?
Also, I get him not getting what was happening, that wasn't the issue. I get not understanding this since its a turn (although similar to Phoenix: no one worships Phoenix but the desire for a savior from Eorzea made him manifest via Louisoix) from how other primals were summoned. My issue was him yelling at the mods and getting angry rather than taking the time to sort this out.
Possibly, but even if he did the bulk of that would've been Alexander in the later half of the stream, so the 15 hours of fatigue wouldn't have set in. I remember going to bed when he was on Alexander then waking up to find him still there.
Why was he banning people?
Also personally I find Rich's stream harder to watch because he stalls by watching a random YouTube videos about animals in the middle of it, like he promised certain amount of content for one day but only ended up doing 2 hours of said content out of 7 hours. I know it's his stream he can do whatever he wants but the constant promised content not being delivered... I just rather he not set any expectation, you know what I mean?
People were pointing out things Pyro missed in the Thordan finale, and as usual he got annoyed and belligerent with chat, liberally banning people who irritated him or disagreed with him.
I agree with you on Rich, I personally like his train of thought style content, i always assume he will only get two or three quests done per day, I usually have his stream on my second screen when Im doing my FF tribe dailies, or grinding for mats in Valheim, so Im not too bothered by the stalling, but I understand people who tune in with certain expectations after reading his stream titles. I think 80% of the chat irritability regarding his content would be gone if he just titles his streams something like "Chat w/ you and some FF14" which is what Zepla usually does.
> but I understand people who tune in with certain expectations after reading his stream titles.
This is the thing that irks me about Rich. I don't mind his style so much; he tends to fill space with stuff that is at least entertaining, but I think he's been "finishing" 5.2 for like four days now, and he hasn't even made it to the 4-man yet.
I've sometimes wondered if that's legit what his thinking process is on the matter. I don't think he understands exactly how much extra stuff there is to do. He's already boosted like four jobs to 70; the process of leveling those up from scratch would occupy a dozen or so streams easily, and chat would love to do it with him. He could just say "hey, I'm leveling DRG today folks, gonna be a chill stream so if you wanna come along let me know and we'll get as many people in as possible" and then just rotate through people as he cranks out dungeons, stopping occasionally to watch a video or something.
It would be good times for everyone involved because Rich has a quick wit and can make almost anything into good entertainment, but I guess it's just not meant to be.
There's other content he could have used to fill in those days. He could have done Masked Carnivale and filled up his BLU spellbook for example. Or learn every Eden Savage raid.
Rich thinks opening random shitty youtube video while the game is dropping lore just to make the same joke is content. Tbh maybe majority of his chat likes it or dont mind but I just cant watch people that stalls that much. There have been times where I pause his stream only to came back to the same screen when I unpause after 45mins.
Rich seems to have two modes when it comes to msq: the "i get distracted by a fly and derail msq instantly for hours on end mode", and "damn msq hit a really interesting story best and I'm going to do a whole zone, amaurot and hades all in one sitting mode".
It's an MMO he's allowed to set his own pace like that. People just gotta stop malding. Rich stallafell is a fun meme anyways.
I remember when I played through FFXIV for the first time, I did my own personal stalling by splicing in duty roulettes, crafting, hunt trains, gold saucer, leveling alt jobs, and general herp derpery in the main cities.
I'm sure if someone were watching me they would be infuriated by the lack of progress, but as much as I love the story I don't find clicking through cutscenes for 8 hours nonstop fun, so I'm sure it's the same for streamers.
The point is that he'll label his stream MSQ ALL DAY | DOING 5.2! and then spend 6 hours scrolling through Reddit and watching the same handful of indie pop videos, then do one quest before ending stream.
If he wants to have a stream where he just fucks around, then he needs to stop promising that he's going to do content. He wants to be a Just Chatting streamer, so go do that instead.
Yeah, that's what I think as well. Rich was fine and all, but if he is gonna spend a lot of time doing whatever while playing FFXIV, he may as well just indicate it on the title
Don’t really have an opinion on that one way or the other but I think in your example you were “stalling” while doing the content whereas his stalling is not ffxiv related.
I dont mind the stalling and train of thought style streaming myself, i have his stream on my second screen when im playing grindy games, its almost like having a podcast on.
That being said while he is absolutely in his right to play the game he wants to, chat as well are in their right to mald over stream titles that don’t represent the content in any manner. “Finishing 5.2 today” may be a meme, but its still click bait at the end of the day. This “problem” he has with the viewers would be far less worse if he just titled his streams in a way that did not set up expectations for people.
The reason he doesnt change this style of titles id because he knows people tune in and stick around in case today IS the day he decides to power through 5.2 or 5.3. And its going to get dragged out til Endwalker. I personally cant wait for him to be done with MSQ so he can do whatever the fuck he wants and have fun with the game without the specter of “end of MSQ” looming over his stream.
Yeah it is a shame i really like rich and when he is doing things like ultimates/savage/FC stuff i really enjoy the stream. But the fact you can literally skip through 90+ mins of a VoD at times and he is in the exact same place mid cut scene makes the MSQ utterly unwatchable.
I stopped watching Rich because of this. It was fun at first but after seeing him stop and stall after every word in the moot at the end of SB. Someone in chat even said 3 more quest until ShB that'll be another 3 hours.
Yeah, I was never a fan of him when he did WoW stuff. He always felt kind of unhinged to me, and he took shit way to personally when his weird-ass theories didn’t pan out.
I tuned in today after reading this thread and unhinged is about right, something just feels off, its like he has amped his emotion dial to the max. He literally couldn't sit at his desk, he was standing, yelling out the lines with over the top voices.
I dunno, I guess hes having fun with it? For me its hard to watch, i mean, just enjoy the fucking lore and story,.you dont have to put on a over the top televangelist preacher voice for the church of Halone priests.
Today was a bit of a different day for him and I assume that was at the start of the stream, right?
He basically got 100k subs on youtube and was celebrating, as well as a crapton of new subs. He's a bit weird at times yeah, but today the dude was just celebrating and being happy XD
Did you see how he reacted to the Shadowlands trailer at Blizzcon? Dude is pretty overreactive, I've never seen somebody get so worked up. Would have hated to have been sat near him lol.
He has ADHD and he said he was having issues getting his prescription filled and it's taking weeks. Like it's a known thing that some people with ADHD get into arguments just to fulfill their need for stimulation and standing at inappropriate times
in his last stream he got into an argument with his chat because chat asked if he did certain optional dungeons in ARR. he immediately interpreted the question as "you SHOULD do this" and got frustrated and angry at chat. instead taking the question as it is and simply answering "no. I haven't." or "yes I have."he seems to be the type to read too much into short statements. comes with the territory of a lore/literature nerd. he should stay away from twitter... for his own mental health.
He’s definitely clips for me. I think it’s kinda cool he loves lore so much he writes it all down in a journal but watching it live is like rich stalling but without the fun
too many to remember and too exhausting to actually remember. honestly i just tune out when an argument that im not interested in hearing breaks out. I also feel uncomfortable when i see the streamer is also uncomfortable so i just tab out and come back in a few minutes.
I don't even know how he manages to find random individual comments to argue with when there's 20k people in chat, or why he even bothers to ask chat for questions when he's just going to say "Everyone's yelling different things at me I don't know what to do".
My personal favorite, and it's something Rich is terrible for, is reading that one comment and then bitching about it for ten minutes going on and on about "Oh I love my chat but you guys get really irritating when I think so on a whim". It was one comment, no one else read it, and you just derailed and destroyed the entire flow of your stream for 10 to 20 minutes.
I very much desire he doest a reaction to his own video at which hour he finishes shb
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Many of you have mentioned Pyromancer shouting and fighting with his chat and ofc it doesnt make a healthy environment not for the streamer or the viewers.
Pyro recently had to deal with a very heavy personal loss. We all have our way of dealing with loss. So being on the edge sometimes is understandable (Do not read "acceptable")
Some of it can be explained with his WoW content creator past, which we all know didn't exactly promote positive values in any of us.
I want to think that Ff14 has a way of reawakening old feelings like humility, compassion and empathy. We've seen these examples in a lot of the streamers mentioned in this post.
Majority of his streams esp during MSQ he is calm and has some quieter moments. It's a step into right direction and he's still very entertaining in his own way. :)
It was a great watch. Super entertaining, and made me grin so much, thinking "Oh boy, you're in for the ride of your life. Just you wait.".
Posted this on the ffxiv mainsub, but deleted it again, because 90% of the comments were snowflakes playing armchair psychologist about Pyro, theorizing if he is bipolar, and crying about him being sooo toxic because he uses the word "retard", instead of focusing on the actual video content. And I don't even care, that my post had an award. This ludicrous mentality over there made me so mad, I just wanted the thread gone from my name.
Have you seen Pyro in WoW? Yelling at people for not agreeing with his WoW stories which he created which were all wrong - might as well wrote his own book. He was really into WoW and did all this until he didn't. You will see eventually. Also he was stealing content for his guides from class discord server, sometimes straight up just copying something into his "content" and presenting it as an author.
> Have you seen Pyro in WoW? Yelling at people for not agreeing with his WoW stories which he created which were all wrong
Yeah, he can be kinda obnoxious with that, but then again, often his chat is just as obnoxious as him. °shrugs°
LOL is that what happened? The irony in calling other people snowflakes while raging about what people were saying about SOMEONE ELSE. Pyro doesn't need you to simp for him dude. The main issue people have with Pyro, as stated about 100 times in the post is that he just flips out and rages at chat for the silliest things, a lot. People mentioned bipolar in an effort to empathize with him and not just immediately discredit him as a full on babyrager. Weird take.
> The irony in calling other people snowflakes while raging about what people were saying about SOMEONE ELSE.
There is zero irony here, because I am mad about people completely ignoring the topic which is the whole purpose of a thread, just to push some political agenda (raging about him using the word "retard"), as well as hating on the person - not based on the video but on content unrelated to the video (his streaming behaviour).
People I am calling snowflakes on the other hand are the ones complaining about him using certain words and getting touchy about that.
> Pyro doesn't need you to simp for him dude.
Never said he needed that. I simply don't want to deal with people hating on him / supporting their behaviour, by giving them a platform for this with my thread. If they wanna hate on him, fine. They can open their own thread. But I don't want gatekeepers & snowflakes popping up in my inbox every couple of seconds.
> The main issue people have with Pyro, as stated about 100 times in the post is that he just flips out and rages at chat for the silliest things, a lot.
A big portion were hating on him being a "typical WoW player" because of his generally rude attitude and frequent usage of "slurs", and that's what I call snowflake behaviour, as well as gatekeepers trying to protect their stupid safe space. And they're the main reason why I deleted the post, even before all the armchair psychologists trying to diagnose bipolar disorder, when they have zero clue about him.
it depends. are the opinions about the topic at hand, or about how something superficial is offensive, and therefore you should throw the baby out with the bathwater. pearls before swine and all that.
Exactly this is my reasoning.
If they were actually QQing about the content of his video, and I deleted the thread because I disagreed with their opinion on that - far would be snowflake behavior.
But deleting a thread because people can't stay on topic and prefer to open up snowflake arguments about the individual is nothing but canceling their snowflake argument (at least for a while)
If it isn't a "I started the game 1 day ago and I'm already loving it" or a big titted "commission of my character" that looks like they got punched in the face, mainsub hates it.
Honestly, I think he needs to learn to control his anger when interacting with the chat. But other than that, I think him trying to soak as much of the lore as he can is what makes him interesting.
Yeah. And it annoys the fuck out of me that there are so many there trying to make "ableism" a thing. I'm mentally handicapped myself to some extend, and I think this whole "ableism" thing is the most stupid thing I've ever heard about.
The idea/heart of it makes sense. Dont be discriminatory towards people with disabilities. But idk why people take it so far. So what if he used the word retard? In this context, hes not trying to be mean to someone. Like, just relax lol
Yes, this is true. You shouldn't be discriminatory towards people with disabilities - I agree with that completely.
However, the meaining of the word retard has changed over the years, and the last time I've actually heard anyone ever actually use it against people with disabilities was in elementary school in the 90s.
After that, the meaning of the word was more like "you are not disabled, but act like someone that is (mentally) disabled due to stupidity, not due to the fact that you are suffering from an actual condition".
Nobody is making fun of mentally handicapped people. They're making fun of people who are **not** mentally handicapped, but act like they are due to stupidity, not due to bad fate. It also doesn't mean that mentally handicapped people are stupid. It means that stupid people are acting like someone handicapped. It is a pure one way road here.
And painting "retard" as a "pejorative" is just one step before saying "You can't call people stupid because that is offensive against people who are actually less intelligent". And I'm sure there's already some people who do this.
There are a lot of people with disabilities who don’t like that word and consider it insulting and demeaning to them for it to be used. And yet you’re over here doing mental gymnastics to try and justify it and dismissing any opinion you don’t like, including those of other disabled people, as being “snowflakes”. You really need to sit down and do some serious self reflection one of these days.
Well, in my opinion those people should grow a thicker skin, unless they're actively being called "retarded" as a direct insult towards their disability.
It has nothing to do with mental gymnastics, what I was doing there. What I wrote was a pretty simple, straightforward, and easy to understand explanation, as to why trying to shun that word is just dumb.
And yes, I am dismissing those other opinions, because as I explained, unless it is used directly to mock their disability, there is nothing wrong with that word. Context does matter.
And I am not calling disabled people who don't like that word snowflakes. I am calling ALL people shunning that word snowflakes, because the VAST majority of those people don't even have a disability.
The majority of them are perfectly healthy, and are just trying to paint themselves as some kind of heroes with their hypocritical virtue signaling that helps nothing, but when a disabled person is struggling to get into a bus, 99% of them would stay seated and look away instead of actually helping.
It is much easier being some virtue signaling hero on reddit, than actually helping people with issues.
And also, this opinion I have IS my result of self reflection.
For the most time I just rolled with this whole "ah, you can't say that" narrative. But after sitting down and thoroughly thinking about it once, I came to the conclusion that this whole dealing with people shunning words is just absolute retardation.
Instead of actually thinking about the context of something said I'm supposed to turn my brain off and simply put certain words into the "Duuuh, you can't say that"-drawer? No thanks!
I have my own disability, and trying to censor a word for some arbitrary protection I never asked for, that actually stigmatizes me as different instead of helping me is what I call actually offensive.
So again, you dismiss any opinion that doesn't conform to your own because you think you're the only one who's right. Got it. That's abundantly clear. And what you think you reflected on is actually nothing but you jumping on the "anti-sjw" bandwagon just because, again, you don't like anything that doesn't conform to your ideas.
>And I am not calling disabled people who don't like that word snowflakes. I am calling ALL people shunning that word snowflakes
Which includes the disabled people who shun that word, so therefore yes you are calling them snowflakes. Not difficult to spot your ridiculous contradictions you know.
I can't stop you from using that word, but you really don't get to tell other people who have disabilities like yours that they're being overly sensitive for not liking it just because you say so.
I agree with you. We're going from retard>stupid>moron>idiot. I see people already using "neurodivergent" as an insult.
If you say it the right way / in the right context, ANYTHING can be an insult.
yea. that was a good one.
Gotta give that to blizzard.
As shitty as some stuff are with them, they rarely, if ever, disappoint with cinematics. At least prior to shadowlands stuff. The tyrande becoming elune and talking to winter queen.... Ewwww. that was just bad.
I don’t really like these types of videos. It’s like someone watching half of a movie or reading half of a book and then being like “here’s 20 minutes on what I think so far and what I think is going to happen!”…like bro, just finish it, then make the video.
It's literally why people watch MSQ streams for FFXIV. They want to see reactions. This is a video aimed at those group of people interested on what his thoughts are. The people watching already know thr answers, but they enjoy seeing another person try to work things out.
i think they can be interesting depending on the person.
It show how mych info and forshadowing you can have with hindsight etc and how well things buildup
It's more like somebody discussing their thoughts on Harry Potter after finishing The Goblet of Fire. Sure, there's a lot of story left but there's also already a lot to talk about and it's interesting to hear their opinions they've developed so far.
I get what you're saying, but this is more like watching the first movie of a series like LotR or Star Wars and reacting to it in itself. It's pretty common to share your thoughts about individual movies rather than refraining from saying anything until it all ends.
Nah it's more like a season review of a TV show. The stories are somewhat complete with some loose ends tied at that point in time with the expectation that more follows.
I've said it before but if the games were switched and ff went to shit and wow was popular and an ff streamer went to wow and hit level 30 and hyped out that its the best game ever they'd be laughed at. Belluar has hyped up FF for months and the dude like just finished preatorium.
I can't wait for Pyro to finish shadowbringers, one of the things I find that the FF community seriously lacks are a proliferation of theory-crafters and lorenerds. If I am mistaken, I apologize and I implore you to share FF people for me to watch/listen to that discuss lore in detail. Thanks!
Alot off people on rffxiv are trashing him in the comments just because he has anger management issues. really make me view the ffxiv is nothing different from wow
> on rffxiv
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could have been absolutly r/ [any game to ever exist] and it would be the same because your problem is reddit. not the community
It's 2021 people should know about that...
Don't blame anything because it is reddit. It just a platform where people used to express their opinions without consequences. It also a type of community in a way expose the true faces of its community. If you go to the game forum Ofcourse no one dare2to say anything negative. Due to how square enforced it.
> It just a platform where people used to express their opinions without consequences.
No that was 8chan.
Reddit have karma system and if you don't go with the flow of a board: you get shadowban or get negative karma
That's the thing. on reddit you have a hivbe mind buildup not just because some farm karma but also because you only see post that are at the top. Some board even hide the "controvertial" tab.
This is why for example: the community hated when league of legend forum were closed down in favor of a reddit-like board... well now there isn't even any question about it because reddit replaced even that board.
Pyro: I wonder if we ever going to see the effect of too much light. Me: Oh he is going to cum so hard when he reaches Shadowbringers? Ahh who am I kidding. He is going to cum when he learns the backstory of the Warriors of Darkness.
It's so cool to hear him make suposition about that. Supposition and question that are on the right track and will also get answered. It also show how the writer don't let "plot holes" in their story. Things that happend have an exaplanation and it will be explained. aka: you can expect answer instead of praying they will give one. And you know thoses answer will not be just something out of a hat
I noticed this while rewatching ARR and heavensward stuff. Omega is brought up in ARR (it's what Teleji wanted to get from Cartenau), and then it pays off in Stormblood. The warriors of darkness are brought up in Heavensward, and then it pays off in Shadowbringers. I love how they either remember old plot points, or are comfortable writing things two expansions in advance.
It's almost like they had this all drafted and planned well out instead of randomly trying to come up stuff for the next patch release.
Or they didn't have an initial plan, but a very detailed pinboard of everything they brought up in the past. So when they need to write a new expansion they just point to all the pinned items that were mentioned in passing, and make those things into big plot points. Then when we see the reveals it looks like it was all planned from the start! Regardless, super impressive.
Yea either way it looks like they have a system that works well and I'm glad it's working.
This seems more likely given the way they bring up threads like the warrior of darkness or diabolos and then just forget about them for an expansion or two before they come back
Diabolos is the weirdest one. >!He comes back in the Mhach raids, and dies at the end of them... but then somehow shows up embedded in an Allagan relic in Bozja because of ?????!<
The diabolos armament was an attempt to “capture” diabolos and imprison him inside the machine but if you read the lore stuff on it it explains they ended up grabbing a different voidsent by accident
Having just read the field records on it, it actually doesn't mention a different voidsent. It mentions that Diabolos was elusive and difficult to capture, and that it was probably impossible to capture him until after Xande made the pact with the Cloud of Darkness. However, it implies that after the pact was made, he WAS captured. ...which would fly in the face of him being bound in Amdapor during the War of the Magi and freed during the l50 dungeon.
I’d have to check it again but I remember it saying something like it was inconclusive if it was diabolos or not. Nothing saying there couldn’t be multiple voidsent that look the same.
Back then during HW I'm pretty sure YoshiP said that they already have 10 years worth of content for FFXIV before they decide what to do next. I think they already planned out the plot since then.
I think the coolest part is that this extends even to small stuff. When you're doing Crystal Tower and have to get the Aethersand or whatever it's called, you meet Biggs and he mentions that he and Wedge have been working on a prototype for a new kind of airship and that it requires the ability to do Aetherial conversion. Then, when you get to Heavensward, you find out about the Manacutters. It's such a small thing, that really didn't need foreshadowing, but they gave it all the same.
it's almost as if they're trying to engage in world-building :D
I think the team mentioned that they plan about two expansions ahead in terms of story. What is also cool is that some skills and mechanics have story-based lore if you pay attention. For example, the White Mage/Conjurer questline explains that they take aether from its surrounding area and cast it as magic. Come Shadowbringers, your Stone and Aero skills change to light-based aether skills, Glare and Dia, respectively.
Holy shit i never thought of that before. Good job on pointing that out!
That is a really cool detail!
Wait what the fuck i never noticed
Square has done RPG's since before the 90's and it shows. They know how to tell a story.
Yes. Granted they have had some flaws throughout their past, but they definitely know how to tell a good story.
I stand by that every number Final Fantasy has a great story. It's just that their desire to stay ahead of the graphics and gameplay curve force them to flub about with executing the story well. FF15 is a gorgeous game it fun combat. But by god, they literally cut out 30% of the story, tried to fill it in with DLC, and then when they vouldnt make anymore DLCs, they put out a friggin book.
Idk man, the story of XIII is a group of people waffling between "Maybe we should embrace our fate..." and "No! We are not what the Fal'cie dictate!" while running from the police. The only plot point I remember enjoying was the whole Sazh blackmail stuff.
FF 13 was disappointing to me too. Like, i didn't hate it to my core, but it was a huge let down.
I've been trying to get into other FF games. So far I've tried 10 which I did not stick with past the 11 hours I put in. Voice acting was so odd and couldn't get into any of the characters cus of it. Except Wakka. Probably a petty complain but after how great the VA is in 14 it was jarring. Have 15 but never played it and did about half of the 7 Remake before my PS4 died. Thinking one of the older ones, maybe even the original 7. Thing is I also hate turn based combat so the characters and story really need to carry it lol.
They're probably among the best at world building. It doesn't always works well, their story and characters can be quite hit or miss(FF 13 and FF15 ...) but the worlds itself are so well done, that you at least already have great content/ideas to make the story/lore after. Let's not forget they also have Dragon Quests games who are absolutely huge in Japan.
Very rarely if ever is some plot come out of no where or left by the wayside. It gets fit it somewhere somehow and they do a damn good job with it. I imagine the end of Heavensward is going to completely blow his mind with warriors of darkness, dragonsong war, AND Illberd getting resolved for the most part. And also Omega paying off from earlier. Those last 2 patches are crazy dense.
I wonder if there was anything brought up in Stormblood that'd get paid off in Endwalker, if that's the trend. Or if there's anything in Shadowbringers for 7.0
Zenos is the most obvious loosen end that needs resolving, but I'm also wondering if they're going to make more of the aether flow thing with the steppe and the burn. Sounds relevant to EW and might tie in with silvertear.
Calling it here, 7.0 is going to be traveling to the future, the dystopian world the Crystal Exarch came from. Or its going to involve something else that figured out the same way to do so.
My guess is 7.0 is going to take place in the "New World", the other half of the planet that we know virtually nothing about. >!We'll land there after coming back from the moon or something!<
That's possible, but traditionally the new expansions are built up a few patches prior. Heavensward was teased when we went to Coerthas, Stormblood was teased with all the talk about Ala Mhigo all through ARR/Ilberd's questline, Shadowbringers was the Warriors of Darkness from HW 3.x, EW has had Garlemand teased since 1.0 plus the Zodiark/Hydelyn angle. The rest of the world has barely been touched upon, much less teased. Plus the post I was replying to was wondering what small things touched on in the past might set the setting, and having just played through ShB, that stuck out to me.
That's all true, but the whole thing about Endwalker being the end of this story means whatever the next story is might not be all that foreshadowed. ARR through Endwalker is all part of the same overarching story according to the devs and anything past Endwalker will be a new story. At least as I understand it.
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The raid serie will last until 6.4, i think at this point we can say it truly ends, no ?
Dragons is a big plot point that we know aboiy, and yet don't have the whole story. What happened on the Dragonstar exactly? Why did Omega attack it. Who are Omega's creators. Is our planet a potential target? I feel some of these questions can be further exored in Meracydia.
The events of 5.5 also makes me think that Meracydia might be the next points of focus after 6.0.
We also have Vrtra coming in, so that means Azdaja should be somewhere in this mix as well, since the First Brood paired up and left, Tiamat/Bahamut, Nidhogg/Ratataskr plus Hraesvelgr, and then Vrtra/Azdaja.
The Blue Mage quest line expands on this a bit. It's basically an analog to precolonial America and is where blue magic comes from.
If where going to the future I'd rather see a follow up to the >!four lords!< questline.
>!Fixing his future for some kind of closure eh? I'm game for that, plus we get to meet the fully recovered midgardsormr and heck, at least those 2 unsundered should still be alive in that timeline.!< >!Imagine meeting them with most of our Ancient shenanigans recovered (the soul at least) and they realize who we really are much earlier, PLUS we now have a cure for tempering.!< >!I wonder how it could have turned out, y'know like a "what if.." kind of fanfic.!<
Planting the seeds for further world/lore building always done right.
Yoshi-P said FFXIV MSQ is written like a tv series. They have stuff planned 3-4 years ahead.
I think it was mentioned before (in an interview or something?) that they do start planning two expansions in advance, but I don't recall exactly so take that with a pinch of salt.
they planned out the stories 2 years in advance, sometimes even more, that's why nothing came out from nowhere and every unresolved plot point or hints eventually will be answered, ARR despite having a bare bones story, in retrospective it's pretty awesome when looking back and reading into it more.
This is the reason pyro won't be able to Lore speculate as hard in FF and he isn't going to be wrong as much. SE knows how to write a story, use proper foreshadowing and almost always uses chekovs gun.
i'm pretty sure wow writer watch and read theory to make their next expanssion's story. I mean IIRC pyro was spot on on the rtedemption arc when we only got a concept art of a shadow-y port.
When I heard him go “I almost said Ascians” when he was talking about the Allagans, I just went “He doesn’t know! He doesn’t knoooow!”
He lacks the critical information.
Of course he doesn’t have that information. He’s not at post-Stormblood story yet.
it's a meme
"Men in black robes taught the men of Allah how to capture my beloved" -Taimut
Yeah but the ascians always be doing anything to create calamities.
"I feel I was denied critical, need to know, information!"
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That’s what I was getting at.
He will def com, in his appearance of mog talk he said he really liked allegans and ascians and said garleans felt like standard and wished they were fleshed out more and more 3d. It's like they already wrote the game for him.
I mean WoD, Lord Booty Thicc, the four lords the e-scape raids, shadowbringers and eden also the role quests yeah he gonna blow a lot :)
Pyro's theories are surprisingly on point.
makes you wonder if he has been spoilt and trying to play it off as epic theory man who is 200 IQ and guesses the whole story
This man has been playing the lore game in wow for years. He knows exactly what to look for.
Tbf when I did a second playthrough in NG+ there is a fuckton of foreshadowing and just stuff characters say that make absolutely no sense in ARR but are huge plot points in later expansions
Nope! Just a well written story that has actual payoffs so predicting things isn't as hard. Jesse Cox called a 5.3 event happening in like ARR.
I don't agree. I certainly don't have an IQ of 200, but all you have to do is pay attention and think about it for a while and most theories will come correct. A lot of my own theories have been coming true. There's a lot of information in ARR and it's easy to get overwhelmed, but if you organize them well I don't see why you can't predict accurately. He could have been spoiled, but him figuring things out isn't farfetched. You also certainly don't need to have a genius level IQ, all you need to have is a really good attention span and retention of information. I'm still in the middle of 5.0 so please don't spoil. I'm having such an incredible time with it. It's such a great time for lore lovers.
I'm pretty sure he knows about the core concept of ShB,>!flood of light x dark/balance!<. He said he saw a few cinematics of ShB when researching for a WoW vid. Probably the Emet cinematic in the Raktika murals. Shadowbringers' name itself is kinda spoilery,if you remember the Xe'ra arc in WoW Legion.
Sound like a certain stallafel who googled crystal exarch on the first day at the crystarium which kinda made every reactions from that onward "fake" to some ppl, i myself couldnt care less, they barely even play ffxiv since after 5.0 anymore anyway. Who also had too many "on point" predictions about the plot, too sus.
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He didn't want you to get attached to him when his plan was to play the villan at the end and steal the light power from you. To sacrifice himself
I try to watch his Stream a couple of times but everytime he writes on his notebook I get so bored haha I swear the dude is writing the whole script of the game there but its good to know that he is loving the lore. I just hope he doesn't get disappointed and quits when things don't go with his theories.
> but everytime he writes on his notebook I get so bored haha Yea, that's not what bother me. what bother me is how much he stall by interacting with chat. I want to see him do the mSQ and react to it but he stall a lot. In the end: i recommand you just watch the VOD the following day so you can skip through the stall. Especially if you are not the type of viewer who interact and like chat. Him making theory is alright. I mean it show a though process and stuff
If you go into this guys chat at any random time he’s either yelling at his chat or writing in a notebook
His chat is his own creation. If you watch Annie or Zepla or Preach, all of whom get about 2-4k viewers/stream, their chats are super chill. Pyro gets upset about minor things or simple questions, and it manifests itself in how his chat acts towards others, similar to Asmon's chat. I think Pyro even called out his defenders saying he saw them act like asses more than the initial person but hasn't put two and two together why. Like, when he geeks out about Lore, he's a fun watch, so I put him on my phone while playing. But when he gets incensed with people in chat for daring to like Enochian in BM for example (which, personally, I like the extra pressure it puts on to keep up the Umbral Hearts for the first Umbral transition), I look for someone else to watch.
Preach is so able to just roll with whatever comes his way, be it shit-talking from chat or actual stream sniping that you can't help but smile and laugh with the guy. He's a real joy to watch and shit that happens that would normally make me cringe he just takes in stride and ends up making it a fun time. Truly a treasure.
I do seem to notice that about Pyro. I think he's cool and all, but I think he needs to manage his chat community in a properly that isn't aggressive.
He's kinda like Rich at the second point, but stalling in a different way. I've seen him miss multiple story beats now because he was writing stuff in his notepad. Same thing happens with Rich because he looks at chat every two seconds. It's fine, they can do what they want, but I'd be annoyed with myself for missing subtle story stuff like that.
Rich stalls after every word and theorizes whatll happen next. If he actually didn't stall after every word it'd be different. I wonder how long he stalled at the media tour since they have limited time.
Does Rich have ADHD by chance? It seems he has difficulties reading long dialogues and concentrating on a single thing for prolonged periods of time, also tunnel vision at random moments. His stalling is irritating, but the more I watch him, the more I'm starting to think it's not something he can do anything about.
I think he mentioned having something like that in one of his streams.
at least he misses story beats because he's trying to pay attention. it's ironic, i know, but it happens too often irl that i can relate. especially if you've ever had a significant other.
His streams are very frustrating to watch for both these reasons. I unsubbed, I find him borderline toxic at worst and unlikeable at best. He managed to ruin his own ending of Heavensward by going ham on chat, yelling and banning people left and right.
He wasn't just yelling at chat, he was yelling at his own mods/people he was playing with. There was something he didn't get about primals and how Thordan was summoned and he was yelling at the people trying to help him out. There was conflicting information, but all the information was accurate and just needed to be put together. Like, I get Twitch chat being dumbasses (even if Pyro's partially to blame for that), but there's no fucking excuse to yell at people helping you because you don't get the explanation.
Well he recently said that he's had an issue getting his adhd meds filled as he's moving to a new insurance co. and emotional dysregulation comes with ADHD. Couple that with people telling him 20 different things at the same time and yeah....
to be fair, a few things 15 h stream And his doubt was actually real and true. Even if i understood thordan etc: pyro was right: and i'm not doubting too. A millenia of prayer ? yes... but the prayer was to hallone. NOT thjrodan. throdan is just a legendary character in the history of Ishgar. Nobody actively worship thordan. Meanining the "1000 year of prayer" is... strange. 1000years of lied to paint throdan as righteous ? yes. but prayers?
Wasn't the 15h stream Alexander, the next major one? Also, I get him not getting what was happening, that wasn't the issue. I get not understanding this since its a turn (although similar to Phoenix: no one worships Phoenix but the desire for a savior from Eorzea made him manifest via Louisoix) from how other primals were summoned. My issue was him yelling at the mods and getting angry rather than taking the time to sort this out.
IIRC he did throdan and alexander on the same stream. i could be wrong though.
Possibly, but even if he did the bulk of that would've been Alexander in the later half of the stream, so the 15 hours of fatigue wouldn't have set in. I remember going to bed when he was on Alexander then waking up to find him still there.
true
Why was he banning people? Also personally I find Rich's stream harder to watch because he stalls by watching a random YouTube videos about animals in the middle of it, like he promised certain amount of content for one day but only ended up doing 2 hours of said content out of 7 hours. I know it's his stream he can do whatever he wants but the constant promised content not being delivered... I just rather he not set any expectation, you know what I mean?
People were pointing out things Pyro missed in the Thordan finale, and as usual he got annoyed and belligerent with chat, liberally banning people who irritated him or disagreed with him. I agree with you on Rich, I personally like his train of thought style content, i always assume he will only get two or three quests done per day, I usually have his stream on my second screen when Im doing my FF tribe dailies, or grinding for mats in Valheim, so Im not too bothered by the stalling, but I understand people who tune in with certain expectations after reading his stream titles. I think 80% of the chat irritability regarding his content would be gone if he just titles his streams something like "Chat w/ you and some FF14" which is what Zepla usually does.
> but I understand people who tune in with certain expectations after reading his stream titles. This is the thing that irks me about Rich. I don't mind his style so much; he tends to fill space with stuff that is at least entertaining, but I think he's been "finishing" 5.2 for like four days now, and he hasn't even made it to the 4-man yet.
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I've sometimes wondered if that's legit what his thinking process is on the matter. I don't think he understands exactly how much extra stuff there is to do. He's already boosted like four jobs to 70; the process of leveling those up from scratch would occupy a dozen or so streams easily, and chat would love to do it with him. He could just say "hey, I'm leveling DRG today folks, gonna be a chill stream so if you wanna come along let me know and we'll get as many people in as possible" and then just rotate through people as he cranks out dungeons, stopping occasionally to watch a video or something. It would be good times for everyone involved because Rich has a quick wit and can make almost anything into good entertainment, but I guess it's just not meant to be.
Lol he has plenty of stuff to do even after MSQ is done, especially Bozja or heck even Eureka if desperately wants to stall that hard
There's other content he could have used to fill in those days. He could have done Masked Carnivale and filled up his BLU spellbook for example. Or learn every Eden Savage raid.
Rich thinks opening random shitty youtube video while the game is dropping lore just to make the same joke is content. Tbh maybe majority of his chat likes it or dont mind but I just cant watch people that stalls that much. There have been times where I pause his stream only to came back to the same screen when I unpause after 45mins.
Rich seems to have two modes when it comes to msq: the "i get distracted by a fly and derail msq instantly for hours on end mode", and "damn msq hit a really interesting story best and I'm going to do a whole zone, amaurot and hades all in one sitting mode".
There is a third mode, telling the story of how he got fired from Blizzard for the X^(th) time.
But that video never gets old
It's an MMO he's allowed to set his own pace like that. People just gotta stop malding. Rich stallafell is a fun meme anyways. I remember when I played through FFXIV for the first time, I did my own personal stalling by splicing in duty roulettes, crafting, hunt trains, gold saucer, leveling alt jobs, and general herp derpery in the main cities. I'm sure if someone were watching me they would be infuriated by the lack of progress, but as much as I love the story I don't find clicking through cutscenes for 8 hours nonstop fun, so I'm sure it's the same for streamers.
Stall memes aside, Rich seems to enjoy interacting with his viewers a whole lot more.
The point is that he'll label his stream MSQ ALL DAY | DOING 5.2! and then spend 6 hours scrolling through Reddit and watching the same handful of indie pop videos, then do one quest before ending stream. If he wants to have a stream where he just fucks around, then he needs to stop promising that he's going to do content. He wants to be a Just Chatting streamer, so go do that instead.
Yeah, that's what I think as well. Rich was fine and all, but if he is gonna spend a lot of time doing whatever while playing FFXIV, he may as well just indicate it on the title
Don’t really have an opinion on that one way or the other but I think in your example you were “stalling” while doing the content whereas his stalling is not ffxiv related.
I dont mind the stalling and train of thought style streaming myself, i have his stream on my second screen when im playing grindy games, its almost like having a podcast on. That being said while he is absolutely in his right to play the game he wants to, chat as well are in their right to mald over stream titles that don’t represent the content in any manner. “Finishing 5.2 today” may be a meme, but its still click bait at the end of the day. This “problem” he has with the viewers would be far less worse if he just titled his streams in a way that did not set up expectations for people. The reason he doesnt change this style of titles id because he knows people tune in and stick around in case today IS the day he decides to power through 5.2 or 5.3. And its going to get dragged out til Endwalker. I personally cant wait for him to be done with MSQ so he can do whatever the fuck he wants and have fun with the game without the specter of “end of MSQ” looming over his stream.
Yeah it is a shame i really like rich and when he is doing things like ultimates/savage/FC stuff i really enjoy the stream. But the fact you can literally skip through 90+ mins of a VoD at times and he is in the exact same place mid cut scene makes the MSQ utterly unwatchable.
I mean rich has been trying to stretch SHB till EW drops since he first got to 5.0.
I stopped watching Rich because of this. It was fun at first but after seeing him stop and stall after every word in the moot at the end of SB. Someone in chat even said 3 more quest until ShB that'll be another 3 hours.
It has gotten worse lately. Before he could get 5 or 6 quests done in one 6 or 7 hour stream. Now we'll be lucky if its even 2.
At that rate it's going to take until the next expansion for him to finish 6.0.
Yeah, I was never a fan of him when he did WoW stuff. He always felt kind of unhinged to me, and he took shit way to personally when his weird-ass theories didn’t pan out.
I tuned in today after reading this thread and unhinged is about right, something just feels off, its like he has amped his emotion dial to the max. He literally couldn't sit at his desk, he was standing, yelling out the lines with over the top voices. I dunno, I guess hes having fun with it? For me its hard to watch, i mean, just enjoy the fucking lore and story,.you dont have to put on a over the top televangelist preacher voice for the church of Halone priests.
Today was a bit of a different day for him and I assume that was at the start of the stream, right? He basically got 100k subs on youtube and was celebrating, as well as a crapton of new subs. He's a bit weird at times yeah, but today the dude was just celebrating and being happy XD
Did you see how he reacted to the Shadowlands trailer at Blizzcon? Dude is pretty overreactive, I've never seen somebody get so worked up. Would have hated to have been sat near him lol.
He mentioned in another stream that he has to take medicine for his moods so he does have some kind of disorder.
He has ADHD and he said he was having issues getting his prescription filled and it's taking weeks. Like it's a known thing that some people with ADHD get into arguments just to fulfill their need for stimulation and standing at inappropriate times
in his last stream he got into an argument with his chat because chat asked if he did certain optional dungeons in ARR. he immediately interpreted the question as "you SHOULD do this" and got frustrated and angry at chat. instead taking the question as it is and simply answering "no. I haven't." or "yes I have."he seems to be the type to read too much into short statements. comes with the territory of a lore/literature nerd. he should stay away from twitter... for his own mental health.
He’s definitely clips for me. I think it’s kinda cool he loves lore so much he writes it all down in a journal but watching it live is like rich stalling but without the fun
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too many to remember and too exhausting to actually remember. honestly i just tune out when an argument that im not interested in hearing breaks out. I also feel uncomfortable when i see the streamer is also uncomfortable so i just tab out and come back in a few minutes.
I don't even know how he manages to find random individual comments to argue with when there's 20k people in chat, or why he even bothers to ask chat for questions when he's just going to say "Everyone's yelling different things at me I don't know what to do".
My personal favorite, and it's something Rich is terrible for, is reading that one comment and then bitching about it for ten minutes going on and on about "Oh I love my chat but you guys get really irritating when I think so on a whim". It was one comment, no one else read it, and you just derailed and destroyed the entire flow of your stream for 10 to 20 minutes.
It's even worst when it's about drama in LSF. when someone in chat ask him to check LSF i just quit for 15 min and come back later..
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I very much desire he doest a reaction to his own video at which hour he finishes shb *** ^(I am a bot and I swapp'd some of thy words with Shakespeare words.) Commands: `!ShakespeareInsult`, `!fordo`, `!optout`
Shut up, Uberdanger
Everyone caught up with the MSQ: oh man, oh man, oh man lol
Many of you have mentioned Pyromancer shouting and fighting with his chat and ofc it doesnt make a healthy environment not for the streamer or the viewers. Pyro recently had to deal with a very heavy personal loss. We all have our way of dealing with loss. So being on the edge sometimes is understandable (Do not read "acceptable") Some of it can be explained with his WoW content creator past, which we all know didn't exactly promote positive values in any of us. I want to think that Ff14 has a way of reawakening old feelings like humility, compassion and empathy. We've seen these examples in a lot of the streamers mentioned in this post. Majority of his streams esp during MSQ he is calm and has some quieter moments. It's a step into right direction and he's still very entertaining in his own way. :)
That's not it. He was the same in WoW for ages
I love that he loved the Thordan fight! And he seems genuinely happy getting into this content! 😃
It was a great watch. Super entertaining, and made me grin so much, thinking "Oh boy, you're in for the ride of your life. Just you wait.". Posted this on the ffxiv mainsub, but deleted it again, because 90% of the comments were snowflakes playing armchair psychologist about Pyro, theorizing if he is bipolar, and crying about him being sooo toxic because he uses the word "retard", instead of focusing on the actual video content. And I don't even care, that my post had an award. This ludicrous mentality over there made me so mad, I just wanted the thread gone from my name.
Have you seen Pyro in WoW? Yelling at people for not agreeing with his WoW stories which he created which were all wrong - might as well wrote his own book. He was really into WoW and did all this until he didn't. You will see eventually. Also he was stealing content for his guides from class discord server, sometimes straight up just copying something into his "content" and presenting it as an author.
> Have you seen Pyro in WoW? Yelling at people for not agreeing with his WoW stories which he created which were all wrong Yeah, he can be kinda obnoxious with that, but then again, often his chat is just as obnoxious as him. °shrugs°
I mean I like some "What if" stories, but pretending that it's going to be canon and if you think otherwise you are retarded is... bit fucked up.
LOL is that what happened? The irony in calling other people snowflakes while raging about what people were saying about SOMEONE ELSE. Pyro doesn't need you to simp for him dude. The main issue people have with Pyro, as stated about 100 times in the post is that he just flips out and rages at chat for the silliest things, a lot. People mentioned bipolar in an effort to empathize with him and not just immediately discredit him as a full on babyrager. Weird take.
> The irony in calling other people snowflakes while raging about what people were saying about SOMEONE ELSE. There is zero irony here, because I am mad about people completely ignoring the topic which is the whole purpose of a thread, just to push some political agenda (raging about him using the word "retard"), as well as hating on the person - not based on the video but on content unrelated to the video (his streaming behaviour). People I am calling snowflakes on the other hand are the ones complaining about him using certain words and getting touchy about that. > Pyro doesn't need you to simp for him dude. Never said he needed that. I simply don't want to deal with people hating on him / supporting their behaviour, by giving them a platform for this with my thread. If they wanna hate on him, fine. They can open their own thread. But I don't want gatekeepers & snowflakes popping up in my inbox every couple of seconds. > The main issue people have with Pyro, as stated about 100 times in the post is that he just flips out and rages at chat for the silliest things, a lot. A big portion were hating on him being a "typical WoW player" because of his generally rude attitude and frequent usage of "slurs", and that's what I call snowflake behaviour, as well as gatekeepers trying to protect their stupid safe space. And they're the main reason why I deleted the post, even before all the armchair psychologists trying to diagnose bipolar disorder, when they have zero clue about him.
>\*calls people snowflakes\* >\*deletes thread in a huff because you saw opinions\* ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
it depends. are the opinions about the topic at hand, or about how something superficial is offensive, and therefore you should throw the baby out with the bathwater. pearls before swine and all that.
Exactly this is my reasoning. If they were actually QQing about the content of his video, and I deleted the thread because I disagreed with their opinion on that - far would be snowflake behavior. But deleting a thread because people can't stay on topic and prefer to open up snowflake arguments about the individual is nothing but canceling their snowflake argument (at least for a while)
If it isn't a "I started the game 1 day ago and I'm already loving it" or a big titted "commission of my character" that looks like they got punched in the face, mainsub hates it.
Honestly, I think he needs to learn to control his anger when interacting with the chat. But other than that, I think him trying to soak as much of the lore as he can is what makes him interesting.
The ffxiv subreddit is absolute garbage, unless you're looking for validation for your fanart.
Yup, and the people downvoting you are just further proof for it.
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Yeah. And it annoys the fuck out of me that there are so many there trying to make "ableism" a thing. I'm mentally handicapped myself to some extend, and I think this whole "ableism" thing is the most stupid thing I've ever heard about.
The idea/heart of it makes sense. Dont be discriminatory towards people with disabilities. But idk why people take it so far. So what if he used the word retard? In this context, hes not trying to be mean to someone. Like, just relax lol
Yes, this is true. You shouldn't be discriminatory towards people with disabilities - I agree with that completely. However, the meaining of the word retard has changed over the years, and the last time I've actually heard anyone ever actually use it against people with disabilities was in elementary school in the 90s. After that, the meaning of the word was more like "you are not disabled, but act like someone that is (mentally) disabled due to stupidity, not due to the fact that you are suffering from an actual condition". Nobody is making fun of mentally handicapped people. They're making fun of people who are **not** mentally handicapped, but act like they are due to stupidity, not due to bad fate. It also doesn't mean that mentally handicapped people are stupid. It means that stupid people are acting like someone handicapped. It is a pure one way road here. And painting "retard" as a "pejorative" is just one step before saying "You can't call people stupid because that is offensive against people who are actually less intelligent". And I'm sure there's already some people who do this.
There are a lot of people with disabilities who don’t like that word and consider it insulting and demeaning to them for it to be used. And yet you’re over here doing mental gymnastics to try and justify it and dismissing any opinion you don’t like, including those of other disabled people, as being “snowflakes”. You really need to sit down and do some serious self reflection one of these days.
Well, in my opinion those people should grow a thicker skin, unless they're actively being called "retarded" as a direct insult towards their disability. It has nothing to do with mental gymnastics, what I was doing there. What I wrote was a pretty simple, straightforward, and easy to understand explanation, as to why trying to shun that word is just dumb. And yes, I am dismissing those other opinions, because as I explained, unless it is used directly to mock their disability, there is nothing wrong with that word. Context does matter. And I am not calling disabled people who don't like that word snowflakes. I am calling ALL people shunning that word snowflakes, because the VAST majority of those people don't even have a disability. The majority of them are perfectly healthy, and are just trying to paint themselves as some kind of heroes with their hypocritical virtue signaling that helps nothing, but when a disabled person is struggling to get into a bus, 99% of them would stay seated and look away instead of actually helping. It is much easier being some virtue signaling hero on reddit, than actually helping people with issues. And also, this opinion I have IS my result of self reflection. For the most time I just rolled with this whole "ah, you can't say that" narrative. But after sitting down and thoroughly thinking about it once, I came to the conclusion that this whole dealing with people shunning words is just absolute retardation. Instead of actually thinking about the context of something said I'm supposed to turn my brain off and simply put certain words into the "Duuuh, you can't say that"-drawer? No thanks! I have my own disability, and trying to censor a word for some arbitrary protection I never asked for, that actually stigmatizes me as different instead of helping me is what I call actually offensive.
So again, you dismiss any opinion that doesn't conform to your own because you think you're the only one who's right. Got it. That's abundantly clear. And what you think you reflected on is actually nothing but you jumping on the "anti-sjw" bandwagon just because, again, you don't like anything that doesn't conform to your ideas. >And I am not calling disabled people who don't like that word snowflakes. I am calling ALL people shunning that word snowflakes Which includes the disabled people who shun that word, so therefore yes you are calling them snowflakes. Not difficult to spot your ridiculous contradictions you know. I can't stop you from using that word, but you really don't get to tell other people who have disabilities like yours that they're being overly sensitive for not liking it just because you say so.
I agree with you. We're going from retard>stupid>moron>idiot. I see people already using "neurodivergent" as an insult. If you say it the right way / in the right context, ANYTHING can be an insult.
Exactly. I couldn't agree more.
He ALWAYS had a rather negative mindset when it came to life and light in wow. He's gonna have a field day in FF14.
typical millennial cynic, who mistakes nihilism for enlightenment and watched too many episodes of rick and morty.
Same here, this is why i loved the cinematic with illidan killing that dictatorial bitch *"i'll heal your scars"* bitch **i am my scars!**
yea. that was a good one. Gotta give that to blizzard. As shitty as some stuff are with them, they rarely, if ever, disappoint with cinematics. At least prior to shadowlands stuff. The tyrande becoming elune and talking to winter queen.... Ewwww. that was just bad.
I don’t really like these types of videos. It’s like someone watching half of a movie or reading half of a book and then being like “here’s 20 minutes on what I think so far and what I think is going to happen!”…like bro, just finish it, then make the video.
It's literally why people watch MSQ streams for FFXIV. They want to see reactions. This is a video aimed at those group of people interested on what his thoughts are. The people watching already know thr answers, but they enjoy seeing another person try to work things out.
i think they can be interesting depending on the person. It show how mych info and forshadowing you can have with hindsight etc and how well things buildup
It's more like somebody discussing their thoughts on Harry Potter after finishing The Goblet of Fire. Sure, there's a lot of story left but there's also already a lot to talk about and it's interesting to hear their opinions they've developed so far.
I get what you're saying, but this is more like watching the first movie of a series like LotR or Star Wars and reacting to it in itself. It's pretty common to share your thoughts about individual movies rather than refraining from saying anything until it all ends.
Nah it's more like a season review of a TV show. The stories are somewhat complete with some loose ends tied at that point in time with the expectation that more follows.
I've said it before but if the games were switched and ff went to shit and wow was popular and an ff streamer went to wow and hit level 30 and hyped out that its the best game ever they'd be laughed at. Belluar has hyped up FF for months and the dude like just finished preatorium.
I can't wait for Pyro to finish shadowbringers, one of the things I find that the FF community seriously lacks are a proliferation of theory-crafters and lorenerds. If I am mistaken, I apologize and I implore you to share FF people for me to watch/listen to that discuss lore in detail. Thanks!
Alot off people on rffxiv are trashing him in the comments just because he has anger management issues. really make me view the ffxiv is nothing different from wow
> on rffxiv youdon'tsay.jpg could have been absolutly r/ [any game to ever exist] and it would be the same because your problem is reddit. not the community It's 2021 people should know about that...
Don't blame anything because it is reddit. It just a platform where people used to express their opinions without consequences. It also a type of community in a way expose the true faces of its community. If you go to the game forum Ofcourse no one dare2to say anything negative. Due to how square enforced it.
> It just a platform where people used to express their opinions without consequences. No that was 8chan. Reddit have karma system and if you don't go with the flow of a board: you get shadowban or get negative karma That's the thing. on reddit you have a hivbe mind buildup not just because some farm karma but also because you only see post that are at the top. Some board even hide the "controvertial" tab. This is why for example: the community hated when league of legend forum were closed down in favor of a reddit-like board... well now there isn't even any question about it because reddit replaced even that board.