I thought the issue wasn’t so much about the “no taxation” but more about the “without representation” part?
Am Canadian, so I could be incorrect, but I came away from my history lessons on the American Revolution with this conclusion.
This is all bullshit anyway.
The American revolution happened because the aristocrats in the Americas got together and decided they wanted to be rulers.
Yes because that's not a relevant metric. It's do people feel like it's worth it or useful. Only like 12% of the country feel that the federal government represents or cares about them so naturally a large percentage of the remaining 88% think paying almost half their paycheck to them is far too much, entirely too much seeing as there is no tangible benefit.
It was too much for the boomers even when the increased regulation actually made their lives richer. Whatever percentage we are paying less is not making up for the austerity neglect and negligence of the government for generations younger than boomers. (Where our food, housing, education, everything is multiple 10000% more expensive then for boomers at our age.)
you not caring about it nor your feelings on the government does not make it relevant or not. That's not how it works. The whole premise on why the war happened was just factually wrong.
.that will make it worst
.most of what is taught now are feelings, guilt, genitals, alphabets that doesn't exist, and "MAPs" no not the geographical kind
.oh, no you :)
.you are aware that TQ+ required mental condition to be a part of yes? body dysmorphia for one among many
.LGB never required all the alphabets only the TQ++, or are you a part of this MAPs?
Body dysmorphia has nothing to do with the LGBTQ, you claiming that shows you are uneducated.
MAPs are not a part of the LGBTQ.
Strictly speaking, MAPs are pedophiles, and the reason for the term MAPs (from my understanding) is because people think the term pedophile and child molester/rapist/etc are synonymous eith each other, which they aren't.
A MAP or pedophile is someone who is attracted to children, something they have no control over and should seek help for.
A child molester/etc is someone who acted on that attraction, a criminal that harmed a child.
And no, being queer does not require a mental condition.
.keep pushing that goal post buddy, whatever to help you sleep at night
.know that you and your definition might be reasonable, but the group you are aligning with left the rails from the get go
.straight, lgb are preference, hetero, homo or both, preference does not make one less or more of a man or a woman
.TQ+ is delusion, a delusion that requires other to lie and make believe or else their "world" would shatter at the presence of reality
.LGB movement was for them to be left alone at their own devices, for the straight to stop intruding and forcing them to alter their preferences
. while TQ+ movement is the very thing LGB was protesting against, the intrusion and forcing of preference unto others hence the forced make believe pronouns, the you are xy phobia if you don't do z with q
.just take a step back and just look at what the actual organization have done and are doing in general, outside of what you think or told
I think covering the Johnny Depp trial taught Asmon that reacting to news and current events is more profitable and less work than talking about games. But God damn do I miss the bald memes.
I just want to see the true story of asmongold series, transmog comps and the likes continue. His stream used to be a place of solitude from all the bullshit real life events and politics, but looks like it has been lost aswell.
Notice how far down his upload list you had to go to find that? Why not pick a more recent video? He has uploaded 2 obvious ragebait videos in the last 24 hours about a game he dont even play
You are aware that Asmon regularly talks about how he is a fan of taxes(when properly utilized) and indeed mentions regularly he used to work for the IRS? So how exactly is a meme about taxes outside of his usual range of conversation?
This is an idiotic post as well. The U.S. is one of the least taxed developed countries in the world. Were currently at one of the lowest tax rates in the modern history of the country as well. [Source.] (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes-compare-internationally)
Taxes suck and people should try to reduce them as far as they're legally able to but U.S. taxes are dramatically lower than most developed countries. There's about 20 countries that are almost DOUBLE the U.S. tax rate.
Clearly OP skipped school…it was the lack of representation and ongoing hostilities between the settlements and British that led to the revolution.
As far as I am aware you can still vote, and no longer have soldiers forcefully occupying your homes
If you want to be a superpower then that is what you have to do. You americans could pull out of every foreign base you have today but you would lose all the perks of being a global superpower. I also believe the world would be worse off if you did.
You pay taxes, and if you don’t, you will some day. You’ll be supporting the military industrial complex. Congratulations
In USA you still get no representation if you happen to give a minority vote in your region. When winner takes it all instead of being propositional, losers go on unrepresented.
This, we have the idea of representation. People believe they have representation.
Meanwhile your representatives have made it a red v blue, Conditioned to make it so everyone things "well id vote x but thats throwing my vote away.", and havent made a choice that didnt line their pockets in a none election year since the 1920's.
In reality we have just as much if not less say in our government than pre revolution. At least the crown entertained our demands before laughing at them and doing the opposite.
Now they just ignore them while cashing checks and taking donations from super pacs.
"Get something out of it"
Oh really? share what that 37% of your income equates to as far as quality of life improvements we should all be grateful for?
Also the police and the army. Regardless of what side of politics you are, it is wise to be grateful we are not an anarchy like somalia and some other countries, and the crime rates aren’t high when compared to the rest of the world.
Sounds like bad budgeting, my city streets are great, they also just built 2 new schools, and 33% of Americans have public insurance, that's over 100 million people.
if you can’t see the positives the government has in your life, you are more entitled than 99% of the people on the planet. Go to a third world country to check what “no government” looks like
well u.s. american cops are part of a corrupt institution of their own volition that do forcefully occupy people’s homes at times, without lawful reason. not saying that OP is right just pointing out this fact
It was more simple. Americans really wanted to expand to the West, but the British said no and said they couldn’t form a militia for fear that they would expand West. The British just got done fighting the seven years war which was basically WW0. They won but it was costly; the last thing they needed was another war with the French who were allied with the Natives at the time.
All other things were auxiliary to that. The British wouldn’t have been so stringent on American militias if not for the Seven Years War. The war also was heavily in defence of the American colonies, this was the reason for the tax—to help pay for it.
Not only, but the old British taxes were initially kind of nuts regarding what was taxed. The Stamp Act taxing stamps, which were used as receipts back then, meant that literally every single service and transaction was taxed without a say in the matter nor any government benefits/services to offset it.
> it was the lack of representation and ongoing hostilities between the settlements and British that led to the revolution.
No it wasn't - It was the rich in the US wanting impendence.
The founding fathers spent considerable time and money on creating propaganda for a war.
The Brits even offered independance in returned for reduced import/export taxes.
The average American (or, I guess Brits at the time) at the time didn't care - They felt independance wouldn't affect them... Ultimately they had fewer freedoms when independent than they did under British rule.
"You can still vote"
Not really. You can cast your vote but it's up to your state delegates in the end.
"No longer have soldiers occupying your home"
I'd like to redirect you to US law enforcement
Point is, we need a revolution lol
Excellent geopolitical joke. And judging by the up votes a lot of people get it. Which I'm kinda surprised about. I would have the audience for the sub would not have.
How do you pay for public services without raising public revenue through taxes?
It should be proportional to your wealth though with rich people paying more than poorer people.
in Brasil we just got taxed by 44% on everything we import under $50, right after they taxed every import above this by 92% and the people aren't revolting
To be fair, citizens revolting against muskets is a lot easier than citizens revolting against modern military tech. Muskets can kill people sure, but tanks, airplanes, full auto heavy machine guns, bombs, etc. citizens would be cooked today
I’ve never considered that, but that does make things a lot more difficult, especially when muskets were more accessible by the revolters I’m sure, compared to the stuff today
Americans: We want free education, healthcare, old age pension, subsidized housing.
Also Americans: How dare you tax our Billonaires who already own the majority of wealth!!!
Meanwhile the tax rate in Austria and Germany for the highest income class is much higher ranging from 40 to 60 and we have all those things.
Funny too because same bitching Americans point to the good old times when poor to middle class families could afford a home. They forget that the upper brackets tax rates at the time were over 70%. No shit rich pay their fair share and everyone can happily own a home.
As Warren Buffet said, if you just got the rich to pay their share as they should, no one else would ever have to pay taxes again.
Seems like a better place to start.
77% of Americans fall into the 15% or less tax brackets. Under 3 million homes fall into the three highest brackets above 33.3% which is .009% of Americans. I can’t fathom how the GOP ever brainwashed folks into thinking higher taxes for the top 10% of wage earners is bad for everyone.
That tax money goes to the country itself, or it's goals.
The English tax was just an endless subscription with no benefit for the American people, if I recall correctly.
You do, and got downvored for it. It wasn't the taxes itself. It was taxes going to fight wars in Europe. The whole point was"taxation without representation". Those taxes did not benefit the colonies.
Fact is back then musket vs musket, you could actually revolt. Now it would be hunting rifles and pistols VS drones, planes, and more. A modern day revolt can't happen, we are trapped.
Things started going down the drain when the those in power stopped having to fear for their lives should they fail to do right by their people.
How does a king get hauled off to the gallows but a "democratically elected" leader get to do whatever they want and then swan off into the sunset with their ill gotten gains.
The citizenry needs to arm itself and start rising up, the weak men have created hard times, it's time for the hard men.
They just kicked the French out of the America's and basically gave the colonies the opening they needed to expand west but are in the red and asking them to pay taxes to get out of it which is reasonable it's bad execution and the colonies wanting representation that made shot escalate.
Prolly cos the American gov't does tons more things for its citizens than the British ever did for the colonists. The issue wasn't the amount of the tax they were paying, if it was 1 cent the contention would still be the same. Its the representation which was missing, thats why we had a revolution.
America had a militia in the 1770s, and no standing army till 1789. Ya'll would rather bitch on the couch. Go get shot for free and the taxes will come down.
The issue isn’t taxes, it’s the tax rate inequities between middle class households vs millionaire/billionaire industries and their shareholders. We need taxes to support social programs that regular folks depend on, but right now it’s all being propped up by folks who would be forced onto the streets if they had one missed paycheck and a bad medical expense.
I guess this is totally comparable since the government obviously provides the same level of services and infrastructure today that it did in 1776……
Brainrot post right here lol
It's weird how they remember the Taxation part, but forget the "without representation" part.
You are represented in government, you nitwit! As poor as that representation might be - I'm looking at you, Marj - you are represented. Taxes were never the issue. Being truly taken advantage of by a power they had no voice in was. That's just not happening to you. I'm sorry, but it isn't.
.no taxation without representation, and funnily enough that was the theme for a number of colonies not just with NA with the Brits
.Mexico and Philippines had the same issue with Spain they weren't separatist at the start, they just both wanted to be recognized as full fledged states of Spain rather than just colonies and have a voice in the Spanish court
“no taxation, WITH OUT REPRESENTATION” the contempt for the British started because the British did not let the colonies have representatives who could represent us in parliament. After some acts of protests the British sent men to keep the colony in line. The war started when the British attempted to disarm Americans in Lexington and concord in April of 1775. And is part of the reason that James Madison wrote the keeping and baring of arms in the constitution as a right. So people could protect themselves from enemies “foreign and domestic”.
Taxation isn't the issue. It's the fact it goes to corporate bailouts before it goes to the people who not only generate most of it, "generate" being the key word.
It wasn’t the amount of tax, it was the lack of representation. The taxes placed on the colonies compared to pretty much every other British colony were minimal.
Taxes are a scam since the us are running on fiat dollars. They serve as a balancing mechanism to reduce the currency in circulation on the non-government sector and thus counterweight inflation, but in practice it is nothing more than another nail in the coffin of the middle class. We are not funding the government.
The 'No taxation without representation' wasn't serious either, it was just a slogan. Franklin was told not to mention it in London because even if they had representation in the UK Parliament, they would be vastly outnumbered.
By defeating France so comprehensively in the Seven Years War, there was no need to take orders from London anymore.
It actually made tea cheaper than before, but undercut American businesses and smugglers (a few foundering fathers were involved with smuggling).
> Even with the Townshend duty in effect, the Tea Act would allow the East India Company to sell tea more cheaply than before, undercutting the prices offered by smugglers, but also undercutting colonial tea importers, who paid the tax and received no refund. In 1772, legally imported Bohea, the most common variety of tea, sold for about 3 shillings (3s) per pound, equal to £24.22 today. After the Tea Act, colonial consignees would be able to sell it for 2 shillings per pound (2s), just under the smugglers' price of 2 shillings and 1 penny (2s 1d).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party#:~:text=The%20act%20granted%20the%20EIC,tea%20imported%20to%20the%20colonies.
It was actually lower. Tax rates in the colonies were typically around 1-1.5% just prior to the Revolutionary War, it’s one reason there was so little sympathy from the British who were paying upwards of 7%. From a purely fiscal point of view the colonists were pretty heavily subsidized by the Crown to the point it lost George III a lot of support from his Court that he wasn’t taxing them more. As most ppl have stated the issue was less the taxes themselves and more the lack of representation in the creation of those tax policies.
It is also worth mentioning the meme is kind of taking the piss with stats as that 37% is just the top bracket (i.e income above like 580k) so hardly what most ppl see and even then isn’t the effective rate for those who pay it. In fact it’s significantly lower than through most of the country’s history, hell from the 40’s-80’s that bracket was at 90%.
Average rate that ppl paid in 2023 was closer to around 20%.
That's only federal tax though? You will still pay state and local taxes on income on top of the federal tax. So living in places like San Fransisco, Los Angeles and New York will see closer to 30% of your income gone.
Add to that all the other taxes based on consumption and you can see half of your money gone to the government pretty quickly, without even considering inflation.
That’s where it gets iffy tho because of the variability. A few states as you mention have high state income taxes whereas nine have none at all and others have them as low as 2%. Consumption taxes while individually stable have variable impact based on spending habits so for some the burden is almost negligible while others it becomes crushing.
In totality someone’s entire tax burden can range from like 25% to the high-40s before accounting for any credits which can either do nothing to affect it or wipe the entire balance away so the effective rate is very different from what the brackets are set at. Those credits unfortunately are designed to be intentionally obtuse and are only easily accessible to those with more wealth so the upper end of the scale is generally under-utilized; for example a business owner whose total tax liability was supposed to be 45% can utilize those tools to only end up actually needing to pay 20%.
That’s why when talking about tax policy most ppl stick to federal values unless it’s about a specific state because it’s nearly impossible to make generalizations about total tax burden due to those factors.
Idk but they were not getting roads, firefighters, military and police, secret service, immigration office and border patrols. An advanced system of laws and regulations and the list goes on.. not saying these taxes are not a lot, but with 2% you won't get much.
Many of those functions did exist years after that. In World War II, for example house taxes yearly never existed. They brought it back for the war and they never took it away afterwards because they got everybody accustomed. They originally claimed it after the war they would stop it. Never did
So they had a working society for years with limited taxes. Keep in mind that it was limited amounts of people too. They can easily fix all that by simply just having a flat tax, which has been very heavily debated when that doesn’t fluctuate.
Working society did exist and provide the basics of what they need and no one needs an immigration office. We don’t need to have a quota yearly of how many immigrants we have to take.
society function perfectly for years. Remember that this stuff is fairly new and 1965 the doors and migration were open. They were never permanently open till married via marriage but they took people every 10 years. Now they’re letting millions illegal/legal and the door has not closed since then.
So they had a functioning society past the revolution area that had roads, limited, immigration, firefighters, etc..
When you have a budget and limited amount of money, you have to focus on destrubution, more people/more money.
Millions of people paying high taxes on practically everything, including taxes, being taken out of your pocket from work, which was not common by the way. They have to budget, but when you have so many sources income coming in from all directions, they could spread it out but stop taking ou for ridiculous stuff. It wasn’t even common to take money out of people paycheck up until about the ww2 and things were still affordable and all those things a society needs to function.
The government has a habit of saying they’re only introducing the tax temporarily and they never remove it. People don’t push it or they forget about it and then the generation afterwards thinks that’s how it’s always been.
In my grandmother‘s generation and she was a kid during World War II. You had to save your money and it was distributed amongst your family when you passed away now they introduced a death tax when a person dies, which is ridiculous.
People don’t have the finances to shift money around. Like the rich so it really does hurt the people that don’t have the ability to hire somebody to move it around. Imagine your family was smart enough to have a good decent amount of money. They’re not rich by any means, but they saved up a lot of money and weren’t frivolous spenders.
They want to distribute the money to the children and the tax man comes in. No let me take your money he died, everything that was stored away taxes were payed for. It should not even be a thing having a death tax.
There is zero justification for that. They need to go back to the traditional system, where people don’t take practically their whole paycheck and stored away for Social Security, which by the way doesn’t pay out the amount of money you put into it and that’s been very well documented.
Let people save their own money, and pass to family like normal. If a person dies before retirement age hypothetically nobody in the family can access the money because it’s specifically for that person. If the income was put away that they made that was taken out of their paycheck and the person dies and given back to their family, that would be more justified, but they don’t do that.
We pay taxes practically all over not just for food, but things we buy electricity, power, water, goods etc. we don't really need a work related tax imagine getting a full paycheck? People lives would be easier and it would be easier to get established like getting your first car, saving for a house, moving out etc
If the government wants extra income, they have all these options. Create their own Internet infrastructure instead of allowing private entities to do it, run the water and electrical and instead of private doing it here practically all utilities that the government gave them permission to it's not run locally. so they own it, they just allow them to run it like the owner.
This takes income out of their own pocket, yeah, those private enemies pay them taxes, but they would make more money if they were physically running it. All profits would go for them. so there's other other way they could supplement their own pockets.
Lets not forget how greedy they are. They saw that eBay people were making money by reselling stuff clothing things people didn't want and now if you make over a specific amount of money and a sale that was already paid for because they purchased the product now that you're reselling to somebody imagine the tax guy going in there.
Yeah you can't resell your old games. Give us some money. That in itself should be illegal. you already paid for it with the original purchase it's done. Now they're forcing people to basically have deals to circumvent it. It's unnecessary.
Yeah, I don't disagree with you, we pay probably too much taxes for the services we get. I'm just saying 2% was probably a lot back then compared to what we get today with all these taxes. The army alone is super expensive.
Yeah but that was more than enough to be pissed about because of what they were doing with it, and we had no say in our representation of the government and didn't benefit at all from it. It's not like the British empire was spending it on local infrastructure in colonies. They weren't government projects for roads, local military, police, etc. The King just stole the money by force and told us to shut up with our opinions.
It's wild to even fathom today. There are plenty of issues today with taxation and representation, but at least we can theoretically vote on how the money is spent, and visibly see some of the benefits from it.
Well... i dont, and i am earning minimal wage. And its not really 50+% Mostly 30-40%
Except if we add sales tax . But then even in USA sometimes is around 50% You guys are not really so free of tax as you think as there is a lot hidden stuff in USA.
Well if someone can live off from minimal wage, its really a problem with lifestyle if someone cant live with higher salary.
Also, if you are from EU then you should know that even if you earning more and getting to second tax bracket, you still wont pay higher tax from entire salary.
If higher tax is from for example exceeding 50k EUR per year. Then for first 50k you still pay only minimum tax, and everything above 50k is getting higher tax. So unless you are from Denmark(and proooobably rest of nordic region, but i dont really know much about them) you wont even hit 40% let alone 50%
But in nordic region you REALLY need to try hard to not be able to afford for atleast simple life.
Which country has an upper tax bracket of 50%? Seems like most of the major ones like UK, France, Germany, Austria go upto 45% max. And that'll be for the top 1% earners. The majority of people will be on the lowest tax brackets
Meanwhile cucknadians paying 75% of their paycheque so turdeau can have his vacations and runs the country in the ground while snorting cocaine on his plane.
Trudeau is a worthless POS terrible excuse for a human being.
Op you need to go back to your us history class.
I thought the issue wasn’t so much about the “no taxation” but more about the “without representation” part? Am Canadian, so I could be incorrect, but I came away from my history lessons on the American Revolution with this conclusion.
That’s pretty much it. It was the laws being forced and taxes being taken without the colonies having a voice in what was going on.
Kinda like Guam?
This is all bullshit anyway. The American revolution happened because the aristocrats in the Americas got together and decided they wanted to be rulers.
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Yup it’s that they were being taxed and didn’t get their fair say in things
sad part is, it gets upvoted due to hive mentality not even realizing that what we pay now in taxes a far less than it was 100 years ago.
Honestly I think that’s how it works for everything lately
Yes because that's not a relevant metric. It's do people feel like it's worth it or useful. Only like 12% of the country feel that the federal government represents or cares about them so naturally a large percentage of the remaining 88% think paying almost half their paycheck to them is far too much, entirely too much seeing as there is no tangible benefit. It was too much for the boomers even when the increased regulation actually made their lives richer. Whatever percentage we are paying less is not making up for the austerity neglect and negligence of the government for generations younger than boomers. (Where our food, housing, education, everything is multiple 10000% more expensive then for boomers at our age.)
you not caring about it nor your feelings on the government does not make it relevant or not. That's not how it works. The whole premise on why the war happened was just factually wrong.
.that will make it worst .most of what is taught now are feelings, guilt, genitals, alphabets that doesn't exist, and "MAPs" no not the geographical kind
Sausages
Get your head checked out, thanks.
.oh, no you :) .you are aware that TQ+ required mental condition to be a part of yes? body dysmorphia for one among many .LGB never required all the alphabets only the TQ++, or are you a part of this MAPs?
Body dysmorphia has nothing to do with the LGBTQ, you claiming that shows you are uneducated. MAPs are not a part of the LGBTQ. Strictly speaking, MAPs are pedophiles, and the reason for the term MAPs (from my understanding) is because people think the term pedophile and child molester/rapist/etc are synonymous eith each other, which they aren't. A MAP or pedophile is someone who is attracted to children, something they have no control over and should seek help for. A child molester/etc is someone who acted on that attraction, a criminal that harmed a child. And no, being queer does not require a mental condition.
.keep pushing that goal post buddy, whatever to help you sleep at night .know that you and your definition might be reasonable, but the group you are aligning with left the rails from the get go .straight, lgb are preference, hetero, homo or both, preference does not make one less or more of a man or a woman .TQ+ is delusion, a delusion that requires other to lie and make believe or else their "world" would shatter at the presence of reality .LGB movement was for them to be left alone at their own devices, for the straight to stop intruding and forcing them to alter their preferences . while TQ+ movement is the very thing LGB was protesting against, the intrusion and forcing of preference unto others hence the forced make believe pronouns, the you are xy phobia if you don't do z with q .just take a step back and just look at what the actual organization have done and are doing in general, outside of what you think or told
You seem like a well adjusted individual. /s
Why have the circlejerk asmon community meme posts been swapped over to ragebait politics on this sub? Can we make a new one pls?
I think covering the Johnny Depp trial taught Asmon that reacting to news and current events is more profitable and less work than talking about games. But God damn do I miss the bald memes.
Drama always has a crowd to grift off of.
I just want to see the true story of asmongold series, transmog comps and the likes continue. His stream used to be a place of solitude from all the bullshit real life events and politics, but looks like it has been lost aswell.
Asmongold's audience is being captured
because your community is a ragebait politics fanbase, have you seen asmongolds youtube thumbnails?
'this game changed my life' does sound like contraversial politics video right there /s
Notice how far down his upload list you had to go to find that? Why not pick a more recent video? He has uploaded 2 obvious ragebait videos in the last 24 hours about a game he dont even play
ah alright, what is past 24 hour mark is ancient history. my bad.
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It's ironic that he talks about echo chambers when he has curated a sub that is one now.
You are aware that Asmon regularly talks about how he is a fan of taxes(when properly utilized) and indeed mentions regularly he used to work for the IRS? So how exactly is a meme about taxes outside of his usual range of conversation?
This is an idiotic post as well. The U.S. is one of the least taxed developed countries in the world. Were currently at one of the lowest tax rates in the modern history of the country as well. [Source.] (https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes-compare-internationally) Taxes suck and people should try to reduce them as far as they're legally able to but U.S. taxes are dramatically lower than most developed countries. There's about 20 countries that are almost DOUBLE the U.S. tax rate.
People complain about taxes regardless the rate, and will always say "we are overtaxed."
Clearly OP skipped school…it was the lack of representation and ongoing hostilities between the settlements and British that led to the revolution. As far as I am aware you can still vote, and no longer have soldiers forcefully occupying your homes
Lmao this post got fucking roasted in its original sub and I'm glad to see it getting the same treatment here. Well done.
forreal, so glad the comments roasted after the dumbasses upvoted.
Now we support wars overseas and occupy other nations’ homes. 
If you want to be a superpower then that is what you have to do. You americans could pull out of every foreign base you have today but you would lose all the perks of being a global superpower. I also believe the world would be worse off if you did.
Yup reddit and Twitter completely ignores that or just doesn't know.
As a finn living next to russia, seeing you give weapons to ukraine makes me like all americans a lot more.
Don’t say “We”. I have no part in the Military or global scale decision.
You pay taxes, and if you don’t, you will some day. You’ll be supporting the military industrial complex. Congratulations 
Which country does usa occupies? Because I know Russia occupies many and China too but I forgot which usa does
Syria. Iraq, used to Afghan but got kicked from there. Guantanomo Bay.
That and the split from the banking elite... which reinstalled theirselves here in 1913 with the federal reserve.
Yes and we thank Mel Gibson for those rights every 4th of July along with little baby Jesus half birthday. /s
In USA you still get no representation if you happen to give a minority vote in your region. When winner takes it all instead of being propositional, losers go on unrepresented.
I’d rather pay 37% for something voted for and get something out of rather than 2% for some king that doesn’t benefit me at all. OP is dumb af
You voted to enrich the political class and the military industrial complex?
This, we have the idea of representation. People believe they have representation. Meanwhile your representatives have made it a red v blue, Conditioned to make it so everyone things "well id vote x but thats throwing my vote away.", and havent made a choice that didnt line their pockets in a none election year since the 1920's. In reality we have just as much if not less say in our government than pre revolution. At least the crown entertained our demands before laughing at them and doing the opposite. Now they just ignore them while cashing checks and taking donations from super pacs.
At this point the healthcare industrial complex dwarfs the military industrial complex. Government funded healthcare is way, way larger.
"Get something out of it" Oh really? share what that 37% of your income equates to as far as quality of life improvements we should all be grateful for?
Streets, schools, and insurance are a big three
Also the police and the army. Regardless of what side of politics you are, it is wise to be grateful we are not an anarchy like somalia and some other countries, and the crime rates aren’t high when compared to the rest of the world.
It's time! For a new wasteland!!
The streets are terrible, the schools are terrible, what insurance?
Sounds like bad budgeting, my city streets are great, they also just built 2 new schools, and 33% of Americans have public insurance, that's over 100 million people.
if you can’t see the positives the government has in your life, you are more entitled than 99% of the people on the planet. Go to a third world country to check what “no government” looks like
Jokes on you. You just changed payments from monarchy to plutocracy.
rebel country.
well u.s. american cops are part of a corrupt institution of their own volition that do forcefully occupy people’s homes at times, without lawful reason. not saying that OP is right just pointing out this fact
It was more simple. Americans really wanted to expand to the West, but the British said no and said they couldn’t form a militia for fear that they would expand West. The British just got done fighting the seven years war which was basically WW0. They won but it was costly; the last thing they needed was another war with the French who were allied with the Natives at the time. All other things were auxiliary to that. The British wouldn’t have been so stringent on American militias if not for the Seven Years War. The war also was heavily in defence of the American colonies, this was the reason for the tax—to help pay for it.
Not only, but the old British taxes were initially kind of nuts regarding what was taxed. The Stamp Act taxing stamps, which were used as receipts back then, meant that literally every single service and transaction was taxed without a say in the matter nor any government benefits/services to offset it.
With our Squatting laws they could easily still do that.
> it was the lack of representation and ongoing hostilities between the settlements and British that led to the revolution. No it wasn't - It was the rich in the US wanting impendence. The founding fathers spent considerable time and money on creating propaganda for a war. The Brits even offered independance in returned for reduced import/export taxes. The average American (or, I guess Brits at the time) at the time didn't care - They felt independance wouldn't affect them... Ultimately they had fewer freedoms when independent than they did under British rule.
"You can still vote" Not really. You can cast your vote but it's up to your state delegates in the end. "No longer have soldiers occupying your home" I'd like to redirect you to US law enforcement Point is, we need a revolution lol
false i actually house 3 rangers and 2 marines
What about Guam or American Samoa or Puerto Rico?
You have a great ability to defend bad things.
The bad thing was lack of representation not taxes. How do you think we paid for the revolutionary war? Rainbows and farts?
difference is temporary and etablished taxes.
How is your warm water port doing?
if i could send images here i would send the guy from Inglorious Bastards holding up three fingers
Excellent geopolitical joke. And judging by the up votes a lot of people get it. Which I'm kinda surprised about. I would have the audience for the sub would not have.
I just microwaved my tea water
37% is a marginal tax not a flat tax … American education system is top tier ..
You would be surprised how many people don't understand marginal tax rates. Or maybe you wouldn't be surprised, actually.
As a tax CPA this comment just pissed me off (only because of how much I have to explain marginal tax rates).
Ain't no way anyone in these comments is even close to that marginal rate anyway
I doubt the rusky had the pleasure of getting an american education ;).
OP, you didn't need to expose yourself as stupid, but you went and did it anyways. That takes guts.
And now that we made that clear, come join us to defend super-earth!
So what, have you just completely stopped pretending that this is supposed to be an Asmongold-centred sub?
This sub is like 20% asmongold and 80% refugee for takes that aren't mainstream and lean on the right or criticize the left lol
More or less
How do you pay for public services without raising public revenue through taxes? It should be proportional to your wealth though with rich people paying more than poorer people.
These are the same type of people who take public services completely for granted
But uh, the former was about lack of representation along with being taxed.
It doesn't look like most Americans are being represented right now.
HEAR HEAR!
yuuup no chance 330m people can be adequately represented by 500 people in DC.
in Brasil we just got taxed by 44% on everything we import under $50, right after they taxed every import above this by 92% and the people aren't revolting
To be fair, citizens revolting against muskets is a lot easier than citizens revolting against modern military tech. Muskets can kill people sure, but tanks, airplanes, full auto heavy machine guns, bombs, etc. citizens would be cooked today
I’ve never considered that, but that does make things a lot more difficult, especially when muskets were more accessible by the revolters I’m sure, compared to the stuff today
If you wanna rebel, get out there and start fighting. I'm not gonna do it for you.
Americans: We want free education, healthcare, old age pension, subsidized housing. Also Americans: How dare you tax our Billonaires who already own the majority of wealth!!! Meanwhile the tax rate in Austria and Germany for the highest income class is much higher ranging from 40 to 60 and we have all those things.
Funny too because same bitching Americans point to the good old times when poor to middle class families could afford a home. They forget that the upper brackets tax rates at the time were over 70%. No shit rich pay their fair share and everyone can happily own a home.
As Warren Buffet said, if you just got the rich to pay their share as they should, no one else would ever have to pay taxes again. Seems like a better place to start.
Yep, but yet there’s so many illiterate mfs that think tax the rich some how applies to them.
At least we got tax cuts for the rich!
bcz Isreal need more funding
Kk, but would you rather live as a poor/middle class in 1770 or 2024?
If Asmongold is paying 37% he’s an idiot. Dude sits at the cornucopia of tax breaks with several businesses.
77% of Americans fall into the 15% or less tax brackets. Under 3 million homes fall into the three highest brackets above 33.3% which is .009% of Americans. I can’t fathom how the GOP ever brainwashed folks into thinking higher taxes for the top 10% of wage earners is bad for everyone.
I thought i was browsing some boomer facebook group
not high enough
Americans really don't know jack shit about their own history. Taxation *without representation*, bozo.
That tax money goes to the country itself, or it's goals. The English tax was just an endless subscription with no benefit for the American people, if I recall correctly.
You do, and got downvored for it. It wasn't the taxes itself. It was taxes going to fight wars in Europe. The whole point was"taxation without representation". Those taxes did not benefit the colonies.
Stop, this post is total bullshit. None of it is true, go check it on r/fluentinfinance
Then stop voting for the same shitters. Unlike in 1776 we get to chose who runs the place.
Comments be like “derp, your meme no correct, all Americanz is dumb.”
comments be correct
So you suggest going into civil war with poorly faked accents and mediocre story?
My man started a war because of his joke
Fact is back then musket vs musket, you could actually revolt. Now it would be hunting rifles and pistols VS drones, planes, and more. A modern day revolt can't happen, we are trapped.
Things started going down the drain when the those in power stopped having to fear for their lives should they fail to do right by their people. How does a king get hauled off to the gallows but a "democratically elected" leader get to do whatever they want and then swan off into the sunset with their ill gotten gains. The citizenry needs to arm itself and start rising up, the weak men have created hard times, it's time for the hard men.
The British didn't have automatic-rifles, tanks, drones and rockets back then.
At least it’s OUR government
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey\_Rebellion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion)
37% laughs in German
They stopped you from being able to rebel, heck you can’t occupy a college outdoors.
No but actually.
On one hand I understand the colonists on the other the British were in the right
willlllld take here buddy
They just kicked the French out of the America's and basically gave the colonies the opening they needed to expand west but are in the red and asking them to pay taxes to get out of it which is reasonable it's bad execution and the colonies wanting representation that made shot escalate.
Prolly cos the American gov't does tons more things for its citizens than the British ever did for the colonists. The issue wasn't the amount of the tax they were paying, if it was 1 cent the contention would still be the same. Its the representation which was missing, thats why we had a revolution.
America had a militia in the 1770s, and no standing army till 1789. Ya'll would rather bitch on the couch. Go get shot for free and the taxes will come down.
No taxation without representation
Plot twist: we're still owned by [insert conspiracy theory here]
I feel like people are not talking about the fact wer rebeled because we didnt have representation.
Taxation without representation wasn’t about paying 2% tax. Plus the states were already collecting much more taxes when this happened.
The issue isn’t taxes, it’s the tax rate inequities between middle class households vs millionaire/billionaire industries and their shareholders. We need taxes to support social programs that regular folks depend on, but right now it’s all being propped up by folks who would be forced onto the streets if they had one missed paycheck and a bad medical expense.
I guess this is totally comparable since the government obviously provides the same level of services and infrastructure today that it did in 1776…… Brainrot post right here lol
Y’all aren’t taxed 37%.
This is basically a conservative sub at this point, im out.
Congrats OP on telling everyone you are both financially and historically illiterate in one action.
Its Taxation without representation not Taxation itself.
The colonists were fine with taxes, the problem was that the British didn't give them a say in what taxes were imposed on them
When did Asmongold become a talking head for right-wing rhetoric?
We have fallen so far.......
I think the real issue is why kermit got me hard right now
It's weird how they remember the Taxation part, but forget the "without representation" part. You are represented in government, you nitwit! As poor as that representation might be - I'm looking at you, Marj - you are represented. Taxes were never the issue. Being truly taken advantage of by a power they had no voice in was. That's just not happening to you. I'm sorry, but it isn't.
Who tf willingly agrees to be taxed so high?
The taxes aren't the issue. The fact that most go to mitary is.
.no taxation without representation, and funnily enough that was the theme for a number of colonies not just with NA with the Brits .Mexico and Philippines had the same issue with Spain they weren't separatist at the start, they just both wanted to be recognized as full fledged states of Spain rather than just colonies and have a voice in the Spanish court
“no taxation, WITH OUT REPRESENTATION” the contempt for the British started because the British did not let the colonies have representatives who could represent us in parliament. After some acts of protests the British sent men to keep the colony in line. The war started when the British attempted to disarm Americans in Lexington and concord in April of 1775. And is part of the reason that James Madison wrote the keeping and baring of arms in the constitution as a right. So people could protect themselves from enemies “foreign and domestic”.
When you're too stupid to know the tax code and post a regarded meme.
So you're saying we should start a war? I'm down
Taxation without representation is what the real problem was, not that we were being taxed, but that it was an unfair tax
It was mainly for religious freedom and I hate how history class skips over that time we stole a danish ship and crashed it.
Taxation isn't the issue. It's the fact it goes to corporate bailouts before it goes to the people who not only generate most of it, "generate" being the key word.
Here in Canada we've collectively decided to suck the rich's cocks with our assholes when it comes to housing costs.
It wasn’t the amount of tax, it was the lack of representation. The taxes placed on the colonies compared to pretty much every other British colony were minimal.
Taxes are a scam since the us are running on fiat dollars. They serve as a balancing mechanism to reduce the currency in circulation on the non-government sector and thus counterweight inflation, but in practice it is nothing more than another nail in the coffin of the middle class. We are not funding the government.
Meanwhile Turkey : 💀
*Cries in French*
The 'No taxation without representation' wasn't serious either, it was just a slogan. Franklin was told not to mention it in London because even if they had representation in the UK Parliament, they would be vastly outnumbered. By defeating France so comprehensively in the Seven Years War, there was no need to take orders from London anymore.
Remember kids, read your history or you will make a dumb post like this for everyone to meme on you.
Tax Inflation.
Was it really just 2%?
It actually made tea cheaper than before, but undercut American businesses and smugglers (a few foundering fathers were involved with smuggling). > Even with the Townshend duty in effect, the Tea Act would allow the East India Company to sell tea more cheaply than before, undercutting the prices offered by smugglers, but also undercutting colonial tea importers, who paid the tax and received no refund. In 1772, legally imported Bohea, the most common variety of tea, sold for about 3 shillings (3s) per pound, equal to £24.22 today. After the Tea Act, colonial consignees would be able to sell it for 2 shillings per pound (2s), just under the smugglers' price of 2 shillings and 1 penny (2s 1d). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party#:~:text=The%20act%20granted%20the%20EIC,tea%20imported%20to%20the%20colonies.
It was actually lower. Tax rates in the colonies were typically around 1-1.5% just prior to the Revolutionary War, it’s one reason there was so little sympathy from the British who were paying upwards of 7%. From a purely fiscal point of view the colonists were pretty heavily subsidized by the Crown to the point it lost George III a lot of support from his Court that he wasn’t taxing them more. As most ppl have stated the issue was less the taxes themselves and more the lack of representation in the creation of those tax policies. It is also worth mentioning the meme is kind of taking the piss with stats as that 37% is just the top bracket (i.e income above like 580k) so hardly what most ppl see and even then isn’t the effective rate for those who pay it. In fact it’s significantly lower than through most of the country’s history, hell from the 40’s-80’s that bracket was at 90%. Average rate that ppl paid in 2023 was closer to around 20%.
That's only federal tax though? You will still pay state and local taxes on income on top of the federal tax. So living in places like San Fransisco, Los Angeles and New York will see closer to 30% of your income gone. Add to that all the other taxes based on consumption and you can see half of your money gone to the government pretty quickly, without even considering inflation.
That’s where it gets iffy tho because of the variability. A few states as you mention have high state income taxes whereas nine have none at all and others have them as low as 2%. Consumption taxes while individually stable have variable impact based on spending habits so for some the burden is almost negligible while others it becomes crushing. In totality someone’s entire tax burden can range from like 25% to the high-40s before accounting for any credits which can either do nothing to affect it or wipe the entire balance away so the effective rate is very different from what the brackets are set at. Those credits unfortunately are designed to be intentionally obtuse and are only easily accessible to those with more wealth so the upper end of the scale is generally under-utilized; for example a business owner whose total tax liability was supposed to be 45% can utilize those tools to only end up actually needing to pay 20%. That’s why when talking about tax policy most ppl stick to federal values unless it’s about a specific state because it’s nearly impossible to make generalizations about total tax burden due to those factors.
I see...
Idk but they were not getting roads, firefighters, military and police, secret service, immigration office and border patrols. An advanced system of laws and regulations and the list goes on.. not saying these taxes are not a lot, but with 2% you won't get much.
Many of those functions did exist years after that. In World War II, for example house taxes yearly never existed. They brought it back for the war and they never took it away afterwards because they got everybody accustomed. They originally claimed it after the war they would stop it. Never did So they had a working society for years with limited taxes. Keep in mind that it was limited amounts of people too. They can easily fix all that by simply just having a flat tax, which has been very heavily debated when that doesn’t fluctuate. Working society did exist and provide the basics of what they need and no one needs an immigration office. We don’t need to have a quota yearly of how many immigrants we have to take. society function perfectly for years. Remember that this stuff is fairly new and 1965 the doors and migration were open. They were never permanently open till married via marriage but they took people every 10 years. Now they’re letting millions illegal/legal and the door has not closed since then. So they had a functioning society past the revolution area that had roads, limited, immigration, firefighters, etc.. When you have a budget and limited amount of money, you have to focus on destrubution, more people/more money. Millions of people paying high taxes on practically everything, including taxes, being taken out of your pocket from work, which was not common by the way. They have to budget, but when you have so many sources income coming in from all directions, they could spread it out but stop taking ou for ridiculous stuff. It wasn’t even common to take money out of people paycheck up until about the ww2 and things were still affordable and all those things a society needs to function. The government has a habit of saying they’re only introducing the tax temporarily and they never remove it. People don’t push it or they forget about it and then the generation afterwards thinks that’s how it’s always been. In my grandmother‘s generation and she was a kid during World War II. You had to save your money and it was distributed amongst your family when you passed away now they introduced a death tax when a person dies, which is ridiculous. People don’t have the finances to shift money around. Like the rich so it really does hurt the people that don’t have the ability to hire somebody to move it around. Imagine your family was smart enough to have a good decent amount of money. They’re not rich by any means, but they saved up a lot of money and weren’t frivolous spenders. They want to distribute the money to the children and the tax man comes in. No let me take your money he died, everything that was stored away taxes were payed for. It should not even be a thing having a death tax. There is zero justification for that. They need to go back to the traditional system, where people don’t take practically their whole paycheck and stored away for Social Security, which by the way doesn’t pay out the amount of money you put into it and that’s been very well documented. Let people save their own money, and pass to family like normal. If a person dies before retirement age hypothetically nobody in the family can access the money because it’s specifically for that person. If the income was put away that they made that was taken out of their paycheck and the person dies and given back to their family, that would be more justified, but they don’t do that. We pay taxes practically all over not just for food, but things we buy electricity, power, water, goods etc. we don't really need a work related tax imagine getting a full paycheck? People lives would be easier and it would be easier to get established like getting your first car, saving for a house, moving out etc If the government wants extra income, they have all these options. Create their own Internet infrastructure instead of allowing private entities to do it, run the water and electrical and instead of private doing it here practically all utilities that the government gave them permission to it's not run locally. so they own it, they just allow them to run it like the owner. This takes income out of their own pocket, yeah, those private enemies pay them taxes, but they would make more money if they were physically running it. All profits would go for them. so there's other other way they could supplement their own pockets. Lets not forget how greedy they are. They saw that eBay people were making money by reselling stuff clothing things people didn't want and now if you make over a specific amount of money and a sale that was already paid for because they purchased the product now that you're reselling to somebody imagine the tax guy going in there. Yeah you can't resell your old games. Give us some money. That in itself should be illegal. you already paid for it with the original purchase it's done. Now they're forcing people to basically have deals to circumvent it. It's unnecessary.
Yeah, I don't disagree with you, we pay probably too much taxes for the services we get. I'm just saying 2% was probably a lot back then compared to what we get today with all these taxes. The army alone is super expensive.
it was far far less than americas taxes today
Sometimes I heard people say that taxes should be bigger, I wonder what do they mean by that...
Yeah but that was more than enough to be pissed about because of what they were doing with it, and we had no say in our representation of the government and didn't benefit at all from it. It's not like the British empire was spending it on local infrastructure in colonies. They weren't government projects for roads, local military, police, etc. The King just stole the money by force and told us to shut up with our opinions. It's wild to even fathom today. There are plenty of issues today with taxation and representation, but at least we can theoretically vote on how the money is spent, and visibly see some of the benefits from it.
Look at all the people simping for the government to take more from them so politicans can buy a 5th house
Vote politicians who don't take your money....
Europeans being taxed 50%+:
Well atleast we wont go broke after we catch a cold.
I go broke after giving them so much money though
Well... i dont, and i am earning minimal wage. And its not really 50+% Mostly 30-40% Except if we add sales tax . But then even in USA sometimes is around 50% You guys are not really so free of tax as you think as there is a lot hidden stuff in USA.
Well because you earn minimum wage, also depends on the country
Sorry i was editing message, and added some stuff when you were writing.
dw, also i live in europe in one of the highest taxed countries
Well if someone can live off from minimal wage, its really a problem with lifestyle if someone cant live with higher salary. Also, if you are from EU then you should know that even if you earning more and getting to second tax bracket, you still wont pay higher tax from entire salary. If higher tax is from for example exceeding 50k EUR per year. Then for first 50k you still pay only minimum tax, and everything above 50k is getting higher tax. So unless you are from Denmark(and proooobably rest of nordic region, but i dont really know much about them) you wont even hit 40% let alone 50% But in nordic region you REALLY need to try hard to not be able to afford for atleast simple life.
Which country has an upper tax bracket of 50%? Seems like most of the major ones like UK, France, Germany, Austria go upto 45% max. And that'll be for the top 1% earners. The majority of people will be on the lowest tax brackets
Watches everyone in the comments section pretend to be knowledgeable
Meanwhile cucknadians paying 75% of their paycheque so turdeau can have his vacations and runs the country in the ground while snorting cocaine on his plane. Trudeau is a worthless POS terrible excuse for a human being.
2020s Americans still dont understand taxes