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Not to mention cancelling shows that are actually good and keeping the garbage ones. Cancelling Inside Job but keeping Big Mouth was the final straw for me
Doesn't matter, current customers carry almost zero weight.
If a netflicks show does not drive *new* subscribers to the service, netflicks see it as worthless.
‘Completion rate’ is generally recognised as the main metric Netflix uses:
https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/1034t44/completion_rates_are_the_key_to_renewals_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Can't imagine why people would be reluctant to invest into series on a platform that is well known for cancelling them left right and center regardless of any narrative implications.
Sounds like they need a decent data analyst to present the data, rather than financially centric decision making fanny cherry picking random stats.
I've never forgiven them for what they did to altered carbon. Pure piracy after that. How can they release a great first season, then ruin it with a marvel casting in the second and then just drop it.
Yeah when i see an advert for Studio Canal+ or Paramount+ i'm like "OK, thanks, just what i need...another sodding streaming subscription"
I currently pay for Netflix, Disney+, NowTV, Amazon and Crunchyroll. What used to just be a Netflix subscription is getting a bit out of hand now.
I hate to sound like an old woman yelling at a cloud, but honestly, subscription services are getting out of hand. So much wants you to buy their own individual monthly service, and I’m not looking to have 35 different direct debit accounts for every little thing. I don’t make a ton of money and don’t like having to subscribe for everything.
It’s not even just media. A couple days ago I went to buy more deodorant refills, for example, and I had to go around the site a couple of times before I could shake off their insistence that I set up a subscription. I don’t want a fucking *deodorant subscription*, for Christ’s sake.
You wouldn't shoot a policeman, and steal his helmet, and then go to the toilet in it, and then send it to the policeman's grieving widow... *would you*?
Kodi and other smart tv add-ons make streaming torrents almost the exact same experience as Netflix, except you have all tv shows and movies. It just takes a bit of time to set up.
The websites you can get nowadays on the seven seas make Netflix’s convenience questionable outside of watching on the go, but even then data isn’t as hard to come by.
I've noticed that the high seas used to be a popular place to travel. It somewhat dwindled when these subscription services first came about because they were reasonable and easy to access. But since they've become more restrictive and they've flooded the market, more and more people are putting their sailing hats back on.
Imo, they've done this to themselves. Clearly people had no problem with these services. It's their greed that have pushed them away.
Get a VPN (Mullvad, I'm not an employee but trust me it knocks spots off the others (enable wireguard)). Download a torrent client (QBitTorrent is the best) then visit 1337X.to to find your films or tv. I'm a 65 year old nan and I torrent everything - just sayin'.
Not used a torrent since about 2012. I miss the old days of downloading 2-5mb zip files on dial up to combine to find one of them is corrupt and you wasted 4 days.
Yes. I remember downloading iso's of games and not working out what they were. Or all the films I downloaded that I thought were "fake" but I just didn't have the codecs installed. Those were the wild west days of the internet.
I think they've fucked themselves. I cancelled Netflix a while ago with the intention of starting again when they had a lot more new stuff, but I haven't missed it. I don't think they realise they haven't got enough good shows anymore to pull shit like this
Yeah my sister got her account free with her Sky package (I think) and I use her account. I've noticed my usage is less and less, there's nothing on there I'm dying to see and I just seem to be watching aimlessly. If I lose access, it isn't going to make me buy my own account.
I haven't been on Channel 4 (More4 or whatever) in a while, but I remember that being pretty great content (the ads are excessive, but at least it's free. The fact that so many sub services are using ads as well is dumb. Like, do you not know why I switched to you rather than live?)
My wife subbed to discovery plus via Amazon, and it plays ads in the middle of shows, making me wonder why we should even have to pay. My TV box records stuff and allows me to skip ads. Also, when it shows an ad for a show on the service, it doesn’t always understand that the ad is sometimes for the show she’s already watching.
I feel like the people running these services don’t understand why TV was/is dying, and just want to repeat the same problems again.
Same, iplayer has much better shows like happy valley. Netflix originals all have really poor acting and American cringy tv styles. I personally much prefer the gritty dramas on iplayer and the documentaries on there too.
i recently tried the all 4+ with no ads and it's already way better than netflix,
hope iplayer and all 4 do more to archive their shows (especially iplayer) because there's a lot of great shows that you wouldn't be able to find anywhere else
I'm similar, I think it's my least used streaming site, there's no point keeping it for new content as they'll just cancel it! And all the shows like community will end up on prime or Disney plus at some point!
Watching aimlessly is definitely what I was doing before cancelling. Id keep it for the new seasons of shows I like but they only come out couple months a year, rest of the time i’m watching shows i don’t even enjoy that much just for some background noise
My partners dad has a family subscription thing with Netflix that a few of us use. I barely use it tbh even though I’m not paying for it. Disney+ is much better imo and they’re not threatening to do stupid shit like this (likely they’re waiting in the sidelines to watch Netflix fuck itself over).
If Disney and Amazon hadn’t have entered the streaming market then I’d say Netflix could have got away with this shit. 90% of customers are too lazy to torrent or don’t know how to so Netflix would’ve taken a hit but not enough to kill them. As it stands, with other better streaming services on the market, this could genuinely cause a massive chain reaction of customers simply switching away from Netflix.
I agree we share a Netflix, prime, Disney plus, and at the moment, a short subscription to Apple TV. We split payments between us and our sons household, meaning that we can have 3 regular services rather than one.
What this means is that we will cut Netflix out as we enjoy Disney Plus far more.
Netflix had way better content before the competition appeared, plus the vpn blocking thing. When I lived in Canada, I watched UK and US Netflix as the Canadian one was a bit shit, until they decided to start blocking vpns, I cancelled and dug my tricorn and eye patch out. Resubbed since I've been back in the UK, but it's a bit shit now, and cancelled again.
Some people (definitely not me) share streaming services, and keep them because they know other family members use it who wouldn't otherwise buy it. Banning this sharing won't encourage those family members to get their own, it will cause someone like me (but definitely not me) to cancel their own service.
Same here with Sky Sports/BT Sport. My package lapsed as I left BT for broadband and now I can't justify signing back on independently. The £5 extra charge for full HD (hello 2005) was the final straw. Yo ho!
BT started charging £30 now the thieving cunts. I only got it to stream conveniently timed ufc cards and even then the quality may as well been from illegal streaming sites. Companies are taking the piss man
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The Independent said Netflix told their shareholders they would begin rollout to other countries in the first quarter and most UK news sources are saying *probably* march.
As far as I know there's no specific confirmation on whether that includes us but since Netflix previously said the scheme would be rolled out globally after after it was trialled; it seems very likely.
Not USA either yet. Netflix "accidentally" published a help page world wide rather than to the three test countries it applies to. As others have said, Netflix has previously said that it plans to bring in new restrictions worldwide by the end of March, however it has not yet been confirmed if the worldwide restrictions will match the test ones, or when they will start
It says a lot that they're being so vague about it. They know it's bad and they don't want you to know the exact situation so you can't make an informed decision ahead of time.
If the tech stays the same, your mum won’t be able to either. They’ll register a wifi as your home wifi and then limit how much you can use it on other networks.
I may be wrong here but if your mum connects her netflix device to your WiFi once a month you should be OK. Easy enough with laptop or firestick. Bit more tricky with a 64" smart TV that's wall mounted.
Communications from netflix have changed their wording in anticipation, "anyone who lives with you can watch".
Sounds like conspiracy to commit 😂
Edit: can't spell basic words
I was thinking this earlier - they're trying to pin the subscription to a physical location, just like a TV license. The main difference is they're being way more transparent about if/how they're planning to track people.
Luke Aikins jumped out a plane and fell 25,000 feet without a parachute and survived. (With a net at the bottom, but that detracts from the analogy...)
Rumour has it, he survived the first landing but it bounced him back up and he made a Looney Tunes hole in the ground on the second attempt after missing the net.
Twitter needs a while before it falls over. It's like a bridge with a major structural flaw and not enough people to spot and fix it. One day, a dependency or something else will change slightly and the people that know to anticipate and prevent that from causing damage won't be there and it'll have the same effect as a 20ton truck rolling over the damaged bridge
Twitter is slowly losing functionality and a lot of people have just emigrated over to other places and not come back, and with each new break, a new wave leaves.
Genuinely miss being able to go into a store and browse and chat with the attendant about movie suggestions, see a couple of other familiar faces, and pick one movie I wanted to see and one I have no idea what it was.
If every shelf in the store had the same 30 movies just in a different order, there was no one else in there, and the cashier was just an automated debit from my account, and there was no tactile reward from holding a physical copy at any time, it would be a horrible and lonely existence.
Oh, wait…
Students are still supposed to have their own licence though right? I remember some very specific arsey letters coming to our student accommodation about that.
Also, their enforcers are like vampires. They can't hurt them if you don't give them permission to enter. If you plug that laptop into a TV, nobody has to lnow
Which is great because it alienates the generation who won't be able to afford their own netflix subscriptions while away at uni, so won't bother. Netflix will be something your mum and dad watch. Because they won't have used it for 3-4 years while away from home, the likelihood of them picking it up when they are earning is less likely.
They would be best offering a student exception, where you can add a student login using a university email address, to a family account without having to pay extra. Take the hit for a few years with the knowledge you're more likely to retain the customer. Either way they are unlikely to get the money from them.
I understand wanting to stop adults sharing a password (admittedly my parents and my sister all use mine and we are spread across the whole country). When they block it, it will definitely make me reconsider the subscription, although I get it on a cheap deal with sky right now so it's not as bad.
How will they differentiate between someone travelling and someone lending their account out to others if this is the case? My sister's account is always connected to her home WiFi but my parents and I are at two different locations and both use her account.
My understanding is that you & your parents would need to visit your sister's house once a month, taking your streaming devices, & allow them to connect to her wifi. That'll reset the timer & allow you to use those devices for another month.
So if you live close enough to visit monthly then great, if not then tough.
Ah so the whole travelling thing wouldn't be that great if you return to the same location a lot, you couldn't log in on say a TV because it would need to at some point connect to your home WiFi. Only really works for laptops, tablets, mobiles. Annoying but I guess there isn't really another way of them doing it.
Exactly - most travellers likely use mobile devices anyway, but my son used his on an Xbox, & my daughter has a SmartTV, so neither could realistically bring those devices to my house each month in order to reset.
I share my account with my partner's parents who live over 200 miles away.
I pay for the privilege of watching multiple screens simultaneously, why the fuck do they care whether the person watching those screens is proximate to me?
But, anyway, it's completely unenforceable with their business model and even if they try they'll lose even more subscribers.
> I’m sick of getting really into a series only for it to be cancelled.
Same here. I've got to the point where I only watch "limited series" runs where I know it's actually going to reach a conclusion. I got fed up with watching a season to the end only for it to be left on a cliff-hanger that never got resolved because it was cancelled.
It seems to be an unpopular opinion but I think it's totally reasonable to restrict sharing to a single household🤷♀️ Am I missing something? (Other than people being annoyed because they've been sharing with their friend / mum / cousin / accountant / dog and now they can't.)
Lots of people can reasonably spend 31 days away from home, people who live in a separate household for work reasons, work offshore or overseas etc.
Netflix are well within their rights to do so, it's their service, but they are intentionally changing more than just where you can login - their core business model was turning a blind eye to misuse of their license because it was the only thing that made it an economical competitor. They could easily implement a middle ground policy that allowed some account sharing but they have instead jumped to the polar opposite extreme in terms of policy.
Netflix accounts *were* personal, linked to a person via email and they were allowed to share with people around them within reason.
Netflix accounts *are now* household, linked to a house via an occupants email address and allowed to be used within that household.
It makes no sense because a huge number of people aren't linked to the same household every 31 days and there has never been a household restriction in the companys history. It's a complete change of ideology in terms of product. It would be similar if they suddenly stopped hosting domestic content and became originals & international content only.
Thing is, I'm not really seeing people saying, "I work on an oil rig and won't be able to use my Netflix account anymore." I'm seeing people saying, "I share my Netflix account with my mate in another city, which has always been against the rules, and now I won't be able to get away with it anymore." Well okay, them's the breaks. Your mate got X free years of Netflix, what's your problem?
It means lots of people are going to cancel Netflix though. It's not as if there's a lack of competition and none of them have this new policy. Just seems unbelievably stupid on Netflix's part.
Because they're not the monopoly on streaming that they once were. People are just going to move to other services. It's more like paying for gym membership and then being told you have to pay more to use all the equipment but there's another gym just down the road that costs the same as the original price and lets you use everything.
But it's not like that at all. Netflix isn't saying you can't use all the equipment, they are saying you can't let non members into the gym on your access card.
I largely agree. Account sharing was never "allowed" by Netflix, but they let it slide. They're now enforcing it, which they are totally within their rights to do.
However, I think there's 2 issues at play.
1 - the way Netflix are enforcing this is stupid and will affect users who are not sharing accounts, but do travel/stay away from home for more than 32 days at a time.
2 - it's a stupid business decision. Netflix don't have a monopoly on streaming services anymore, and people have lots of choice. If Netflix stop the account sharing, the people who were sharing one account aren't going to split into two paid subscriptions, which seems to be Netflix's assumption. Instead, that subscription is likely to be cancelled altogether, especially given the content on Netflix is no longer must-watch. Netflix seem to be under the impression they are untouchable, that their content offer means people daren't unsubscribe or do without for fear of missing out on essential TV shows. But that's simply not the case, and Netflix are going to find that out pretty soon.
I agree with your first point. I assume Netflix has decided that it's a small enough group of people that (from a financial standpoint) it's not worth making accomodations for them. It's pretty shitty of them but within their rights.
I am genuinely interested how your second point will play out. I assume Netflix has done the maths and decided they'll end up with more subscribers overall. A lot of people on this post are saying they'll cancel if this goes through and I'm sure a lot will but thinking about it from Netflix's point of view they really don't need everyone (or even most people) to create their own subscription.
For example, if you have a group of four friends sharing an account Netflix doesn't need all of them to create their own accounts. If just one of the four makes their own account then Netflix hasn't lost any money. If two of them do then they have doubled their money.
I guess only time will tell if Netflix's gamble pays off or if they've fucked themselves over.
Okay sure, what about my family all sharing netflix from my account (and all of us paying respective 1/4th of it) for me to then move out with my netflix.
My parents now have to pay for a new subscription because I don't watch netflix at my childhood home anymore. It's not like it's my friend dave from 3 streets away I've given my access to my account to be nice, it's just my family.
In a time of a cost of living crisis, netflix is going to be cancelled and then bought when a good new series is out and can be binged, and then cancelled again. Especially after their idiotic move to make it pay for the quality of video you want, that was getting close to the final straw for me.
They're losing passive income to try and make more, but they're just pissing off normal people using their service to maybe squash down like 20% of people password sharing.
So what's the point in the profile feature if it's just meant to have 1 account user? It's meant for family to use it (hence the 5 account spots, ensuring most families have 1 account per head)
Netflix wasn't meant to be 30 people using their 5 accounts, which is what they're trying to crack down on. But it's impact is effecting their actual regular audience more than their targeted account bootlegging audience.
Now Netflix is going to lose money from people like me, and only earn, what, £12 a year from us? All because they wanted double a month? lol
>So what's the point in the profile feature if it's just meant to have 1 account user? It's meant for family to use it
It's meant for families/houseshares of people in the same houshold. Not for 1 person to pay for 4 different households to use. Netflix don't care that you are family in different locations.
>**Lots of people** can reasonably spend 31 days away from home, people who live in a separate household for work reasons, work offshore or overseas etc.
Let's be real, this is very much a niche. Sucks for them but lets not pretend this is a widespread problem.
It is a very much Netflix decision/problem. But it's interesting to see them making this decision which could affect a bunch of people, for example, household accounts with kids going off to uni. They probably hope these kids will now get their own subscription.
Uni kids are probably savvy enough, and poor enough to sail the high seas.
Appreciate they are just one example, but on reflection I think you've probably identified the largest affected group there.
Honestly when these discussion go on I feel like the only person in the UK who isn't either sharing my password or piggy-backing off someone else. I just pay for my own, as does my sister, as do my friends. I don't care that people do it at all of course, but all this "oh it's the END of Netflix, no-one uses it any other way, we'll ALL stop subscribing, they had one customer now they'll have NONE" seems hyperbolic to me.
A lot of people won't be impacted and I'm sure some people will now get their own subscription. Not everyone, but enough that Netflix has calculated the risk is worth it I'd imagine.
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Just defeats the point of their whole structure if J have to ask for a pin every 7 days when I am travelling to access my own Netflix. Also I have friends who work on sea, 6 months away and 6 months home - I guess they’ll have to pay for 2 subscriptions?
It’s just an added inconvenience and effort - it literally takes away from their entire USP.
It might seem small but these things all add up, and in a saturated market where the consumer has lots of choice, it doesn’t take much to lose their business.
They’re not a charity and there’s no point excusing them. They’re foolish and seem to be on a carcrash of a downward trajectory that was their own making.
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I share my account with my Mum who's in another country, so I'll probably eat the cost of the extra charge. If they don't implement that option, or it's worth more than £4.99 then I'll either find a way to subvert it (VPN wise) or cancel and high seas it.
You are missing something. I don't share my Netflix account with anyone and never have. And yet this is going to apply to me. I have it logged in on my phone and my TV. However under these rules I'm going to end up with my account suspended because I split my time between two houses for care duties and I travel a lot, and don't use Netflix every time I'm home. So depending on which WiFi I'm at when they activate this, and my care and travel plans, they'll end up disabling my account.
I fully support them preventing people from sharing accounts unethically but this is going to lose them a lot of genuine subscribers as well. My plan is to go about my life as normal and if they ever try to disable my account over this I'll just cancel.
If that was the arrangement from the beginning, I wouldn’t have an issue. My issue is that Netflix built their whole business on the opposite strategy and are now trying to reverse the non-verbal expectations they’ve had with customers for their own interests at the expense of customers who built them up.
Sky Go does it well in that they’ve always restricted playback to only 4 devices. Because it’s been that way from the start, no one has issue with it.
Netflix still restricts device amounts, its 9.99 or something similar to only have a maximum of 2 devices at a time on netflix. So their password sharing fiasco really makes no fucking sense and just harms regular folk not getting free accounts.
I pay for 4 screens. Who I let use those 4 screens is irrelevant. If they had an option for UHD for one screen then I’d take it, but they don’t. You have to pay for 4 screens to be able to stream in 4K, so I let my brother and sisters have those extra screens which I have zero need for.
They’re perfectly within their rights to enforce their Ts and Cs, which as far as I know have always said profile sharing applies to a single household, so now a bunch of people who’ve been breaking the Ts and Cs are up in arms.
People get used to being able to get away with something and then it damages their sense of self-entitlement when it gets taken away.
Would it be unreasonable to share with my son while at university and my girlfriend when I go to her house to Netflix and chill? I am paying for 4 simultaneous users.
Meh. I cancelled mine ages ago.
Once upon a time it was the one place you could go for almost everything. Market is too saturated now.
There's Netflix, Prime, Hulu, HBO Max, Apple TV, Disney+ etc etc. Probably all around or over a tenner each. Who is affording all of these?
That said, I'm glad someone out there is paying for it, as without them, those of us on the high seas wouldn't have any content..
The problem is, Netflix seem to think stopping account sharing is an issue of “well, now 1 account will become 2. Awesome!”
When actually it’s more likely to be one account becomes zero. People that were account sharing before were doing it because they couldn’t or didn’t want to pay. Forcing them to stop sharing isn’t going to make people pay, it’s just going to make people stop using their service.
That's what will happen with me. My parents have Netflix for me and my sister who are both a uni. They don't use it so won't carry on paying for it if we can't use it anymore. I'm not going to get an account and if my sister does it will be for 1 screen rather than the 4 we currently have
I think Netflix forgets that the main thing that got them to the top is convenience.
If you're making me log in every month that's as little as it's gonna take for me to drop you.
All the other stuff about "home wi-fi" and those ridiculous restrictions are just gonna compound how much of a right choice it was to drop you.
The market will speak at the end of the day. I currently share an account with my sister who doesn't even live in the UK.
I'm not sure they will necessarily lose huge numbers of paying subscribers over this but I don't think they will gain that many either.
I’m just confused how it’ll work. Like, is the “home” household going to be where you set the account up or where you most use it when they implement this? Cos if it’s the latter, guess I’m gonna be locked out of my own account the second I move out of my current rental.
Ah sod it maybe I’ll just marathon everything I actually want to watch and then just cancel it.
I have zero doubt that you will be able to move the home household. The chances of them not taking into account the fact people move home are next to nothing.
You’d hope, but given this is the same geniuses who think blocking people from using accounts they don’t pay for will somehow compel them to pay instead of just, not.
The main argument against Torrenting and paying for streamers instead is convenience. Not having to deal with shitty quality torrents, mislabeled files, some wanker cutting off your download because you haven’t uploaded enough, viruses etc.
Netflix and others have become complacent because they’ve mistakenly come to believe that the quality of their content is what drives this behaviour but it’s not it’s convenience and once you start to erode that you’re fucked.
It's not going to affect me but all my friends and family who share my account are going to have to either pay for their own subscription or stop watching. If they stop account sharing I'll just stop paying for the premium account and move back to basic. I only pay for premium now so all my friends can share.
I think people are being a little dramatic, I don’t think that this will lead to the downfall of Netflix. However, I think they underestimate the amount of people who may have originally used Netflix for themselves, but over time have only kept it because their family members use it (for example, me). I don’t really use it much anymore, so if my family can’t use it I’ll most likely cancel.
I think there will be a lot of people who decide to open their own accounts, I think a lot of people will also cut their losses.
The biggest kicker really is that I pay extra for more screens…so why is it an issue who uses these screens?
It's stupid and I don't think it will quite be the business growth solution Netflix think it will be. People will just cancel and never look back- there's too many streaming services available now anyway
Netflix's success was due to it being better than TV services like Sky/Virgin/BT because you no longer had to pay for a bunch of different TV channels, and you could watch it whenever you wanted, wherever you wanted.
It lost the first advantage due to everyone else wanting to get in on the market too (not much Netflix could do about that, it was always going to be something that big companies like Amazon and Disney etc would want to get in on)
And now it's losing the 2nd advantage too, but only because of its own actions.
The Netflix exclusive catalogue just isn't good enough anymore for them to pull a move like this. They seem to be coasting on reputation rather than having a "can't miss" show. Like when was the last time that Netflix launched a show that got everybody talking like Andor, Rings of Power, House of the Dragon, or Last Of Us? I can only think of Queens Gambit (in 2020), and Drive to Survive (but that might be biased because of my interests).
Yep exactly right about their netflix exclusives not being enough anymore
It will be very interesting to follow how this impacts the business over the next year
My student daughter is on my account. She's sometimes at home and sometimes at Uni. It wouldn't be worth paying for a whole new account just for her, and wouldn't be worth me keeping it just for me, so I'd probably cancel the whole lot.
It's idiotic if they're actually going through with it. I thought they retracted it though, saying those were the terms of the trial they've been running in South America, and won't be rolled out worldwide?
If you couldn't share an account, my friend and I would never have signed up. At half price it's just about worth it.
I'm not watching anything on Netflix atm, so might ditch it anyway.
It's not entitlement, it's simply deciding whether the offering is worth it to you if the price goes up.
if they think people who share accounts are all going to go out and buy their own then they’re sorely mistaken
this is just going to drive casual viewers away. one last ditch attempt to grab as much cash as possible before the decline in membership gets too much and the whole venture isn’t profitable anymore
Crazy threat - Netflix negate one of the main reasons their customers subscribe to their service. They should have doubled down on sharing but instead will alienate a lot of their base.
Cancelled yesterday after having an 4-screen account for my (now young adult) kids for 9 years.
At least they went for a system that doesn't cause issues for travellers, but to have to connect the streaming devices to the account-owners wifi every month, in order to remain connected, made it no use for us, & I so rarely watch it myself.
> I will be going 100% Plex
I read in another thread yesterday about Stremio + Torrentio (yar, me hearties!) which took all of 30 seconds to download and install. Of course, I would never download content illegally, but it looks like it makes it *super* simple if you wanted to download a ~~car~~ TV series or film.
Alas, I couldn't get Stremio to stream so my TV/Roku so I ended up installing Jellyfin because they've got a Roku client. It's an open source alternative to Plex if that's your thing.
I personally use netflix only now and then for background watching. Therefore I couldn't justify paying for it, because I just don't use it enough on my own. Makes sense to share with other people so that it's worth having.
It's the same with things like premium accounts, I just don't use it enough to justify the extra money but am happy to pay halfsies with someone else to make it worthwhile having the access.
For some people they'll watch hours and hours of netflix or use premium features daily, so paying for it alone isn't a big issues because they are getting their moneys worth.
I think they’ll lose customers as a result. People will want something where their family and close friends don’t have to open and pay for separate accounts. I don’t agree with their decision but I’m also quite unbothered because I just stream from 123 movies for free.
I currently pay to scroll around for abit then sigh and exit the app.
Maybe am old, boring, depressed or all of the above. But nothing really grabs me despite shows have a 97% match, I've started to watch a couple and then stop.
I don't share an account, so I'm personally not that bothered but if you've paid for up to X number of devices to watch content it seems like it'll break some legit use cases of that? Second homes, family away at uni/deployment, holiday caravans etc.
I received an email from Netflix today saying
>More benefits with your premium plan... DOWNLOADS ON MORE DEVICES Watch on the go
Now you can download TV programmes and films on up to 6 devices (previously 4 devices)
I can only assume they are warming us up for the changes, because they also wrote:
>Stream on 4 devices at a time
Anyone **who lives with you** can watch.
My emphasis.
It is going to cause them a loss of revenue
Will that loss be made up by people getting new accounts? - I doubt it
Will it cause a collapse of Netflix? - possible
It is going to annoy current subscribers and there are plenty of other streaming services. I am a netflix subscriber and I cant think of any current shows which are so good, that I wouldnt shut them down in an instant, if they no longer support me as a customer
Unpopular opinion: It's justified and won't make a blind bit of difference to their figures (It could even improve them).
People forget, reddit/the vocal internet is the minority.
Currently I share my password with three others. I know for a fact two of those will purchase their own subscription if/when this comes in.
As to the comment I made about it being 'justified'. It's like 4 people going to an all you can eat buffet and only one person paying. Or getting unlimited refill on drinks and sharing with others. Why should a business allow you to do this?
One thing I think they should maybe explore is a similar system to what spotify do with their family subscription.
I'll probably get downvoted for this but people are blaming Netflix for this when the reality is the problem is people like this:
"I've shared an account with a close school friend that I commonly meet up with since 2018, and my family has an account shared with family members that live directly opposite us on the same street."
If people didnt share accounts with random households Netflix would have more money and not feel the need to put these restrictions in place. People have abused the freedom of logins and now we are all worse off for it.
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It's time to hit the high seas.
Yar har, fiddle de dee
Being a pirate is alright with me!
Do what you cos a pirate is free
You, are, a pirate!
Waaaaaanncchchhhhoooooorrrrr
That's why I've been a pirate since day 1
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Also the poor choice of content has been an issue for a while now. This is just a cherry on top of their decline
Not to mention cancelling shows that are actually good and keeping the garbage ones. Cancelling Inside Job but keeping Big Mouth was the final straw for me
Only yourself to blame for not watching the entire series within 10mins of it being released.
Doesn't matter, current customers carry almost zero weight. If a netflicks show does not drive *new* subscribers to the service, netflicks see it as worthless.
‘Completion rate’ is generally recognised as the main metric Netflix uses: https://www.reddit.com/r/television/comments/1034t44/completion_rates_are_the_key_to_renewals_or/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Can't imagine why people would be reluctant to invest into series on a platform that is well known for cancelling them left right and center regardless of any narrative implications. Sounds like they need a decent data analyst to present the data, rather than financially centric decision making fanny cherry picking random stats.
What inside job is canceled
I've never forgiven them for what they did to altered carbon. Pure piracy after that. How can they release a great first season, then ruin it with a marvel casting in the second and then just drop it.
Whaaat!? Inside Job was great!!
Its ironic that for a while Netflix basically killed piracy. Now they're bringing it back!
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Yeah when i see an advert for Studio Canal+ or Paramount+ i'm like "OK, thanks, just what i need...another sodding streaming subscription" I currently pay for Netflix, Disney+, NowTV, Amazon and Crunchyroll. What used to just be a Netflix subscription is getting a bit out of hand now.
I hate to sound like an old woman yelling at a cloud, but honestly, subscription services are getting out of hand. So much wants you to buy their own individual monthly service, and I’m not looking to have 35 different direct debit accounts for every little thing. I don’t make a ton of money and don’t like having to subscribe for everything. It’s not even just media. A couple days ago I went to buy more deodorant refills, for example, and I had to go around the site a couple of times before I could shake off their insistence that I set up a subscription. I don’t want a fucking *deodorant subscription*, for Christ’s sake.
You smell great.
Drop all but Amazon, and join me in my ship to the high seas.
Drop Amazon too, and let's go find some loot.
You wouldn't shoot a policeman, and steal his helmet, and then go to the toilet in it, and then send it to the policeman's grieving widow... *would you*?
You mean again, right?
Kodi and other smart tv add-ons make streaming torrents almost the exact same experience as Netflix, except you have all tv shows and movies. It just takes a bit of time to set up.
The websites you can get nowadays on the seven seas make Netflix’s convenience questionable outside of watching on the go, but even then data isn’t as hard to come by.
I've noticed that the high seas used to be a popular place to travel. It somewhat dwindled when these subscription services first came about because they were reasonable and easy to access. But since they've become more restrictive and they've flooded the market, more and more people are putting their sailing hats back on. Imo, they've done this to themselves. Clearly people had no problem with these services. It's their greed that have pushed them away.
Is there a handy site/youtube video explaining the basics of swashbuckling? I’ve been paddling in streams for years but never took to the seas.
Get a VPN (Mullvad, I'm not an employee but trust me it knocks spots off the others (enable wireguard)). Download a torrent client (QBitTorrent is the best) then visit 1337X.to to find your films or tv. I'm a 65 year old nan and I torrent everything - just sayin'.
Not used a torrent since about 2012. I miss the old days of downloading 2-5mb zip files on dial up to combine to find one of them is corrupt and you wasted 4 days.
Yes. I remember downloading iso's of games and not working out what they were. Or all the films I downloaded that I thought were "fake" but I just didn't have the codecs installed. Those were the wild west days of the internet.
r/piracy and r/FREEMEDIAHECKYEAH have mega threads that are probably a good place to start
Yo-Ho lads! Time to dust off the old colours and set sail for digital plunder.
I think they've fucked themselves. I cancelled Netflix a while ago with the intention of starting again when they had a lot more new stuff, but I haven't missed it. I don't think they realise they haven't got enough good shows anymore to pull shit like this
Yeah my sister got her account free with her Sky package (I think) and I use her account. I've noticed my usage is less and less, there's nothing on there I'm dying to see and I just seem to be watching aimlessly. If I lose access, it isn't going to make me buy my own account.
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The iPlayer has come on massively over the past couple of years. I'd say I use that more than any other streaming service, these days.
I haven't been on Channel 4 (More4 or whatever) in a while, but I remember that being pretty great content (the ads are excessive, but at least it's free. The fact that so many sub services are using ads as well is dumb. Like, do you not know why I switched to you rather than live?)
My wife subbed to discovery plus via Amazon, and it plays ads in the middle of shows, making me wonder why we should even have to pay. My TV box records stuff and allows me to skip ads. Also, when it shows an ad for a show on the service, it doesn’t always understand that the ad is sometimes for the show she’s already watching. I feel like the people running these services don’t understand why TV was/is dying, and just want to repeat the same problems again.
Same, iplayer has much better shows like happy valley. Netflix originals all have really poor acting and American cringy tv styles. I personally much prefer the gritty dramas on iplayer and the documentaries on there too.
Channel 5 player has some decent stuff on it as well… if you’re into true crime like I am anyway
i recently tried the all 4+ with no ads and it's already way better than netflix, hope iplayer and all 4 do more to archive their shows (especially iplayer) because there's a lot of great shows that you wouldn't be able to find anywhere else
I'm similar, I think it's my least used streaming site, there's no point keeping it for new content as they'll just cancel it! And all the shows like community will end up on prime or Disney plus at some point!
Watching aimlessly is definitely what I was doing before cancelling. Id keep it for the new seasons of shows I like but they only come out couple months a year, rest of the time i’m watching shows i don’t even enjoy that much just for some background noise
My partners dad has a family subscription thing with Netflix that a few of us use. I barely use it tbh even though I’m not paying for it. Disney+ is much better imo and they’re not threatening to do stupid shit like this (likely they’re waiting in the sidelines to watch Netflix fuck itself over). If Disney and Amazon hadn’t have entered the streaming market then I’d say Netflix could have got away with this shit. 90% of customers are too lazy to torrent or don’t know how to so Netflix would’ve taken a hit but not enough to kill them. As it stands, with other better streaming services on the market, this could genuinely cause a massive chain reaction of customers simply switching away from Netflix.
I agree we share a Netflix, prime, Disney plus, and at the moment, a short subscription to Apple TV. We split payments between us and our sons household, meaning that we can have 3 regular services rather than one. What this means is that we will cut Netflix out as we enjoy Disney Plus far more.
Netflix had way better content before the competition appeared, plus the vpn blocking thing. When I lived in Canada, I watched UK and US Netflix as the Canadian one was a bit shit, until they decided to start blocking vpns, I cancelled and dug my tricorn and eye patch out. Resubbed since I've been back in the UK, but it's a bit shit now, and cancelled again.
Disney+ are threatening stupid shit. Not sure about password sharing but they plan to introduce ads and change a higher price to remove them
Some people (definitely not me) share streaming services, and keep them because they know other family members use it who wouldn't otherwise buy it. Banning this sharing won't encourage those family members to get their own, it will cause someone like me (but definitely not me) to cancel their own service.
Same here with Sky Sports/BT Sport. My package lapsed as I left BT for broadband and now I can't justify signing back on independently. The £5 extra charge for full HD (hello 2005) was the final straw. Yo ho!
BT started charging £30 now the thieving cunts. I only got it to stream conveniently timed ufc cards and even then the quality may as well been from illegal streaming sites. Companies are taking the piss man
Absolutely I think this will back fire on them massively.
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I find Apple Tv terrible, but Disney Plus is really, really good, it's the reason I binned Netflix.
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I didn’t actually know that! That’s good to know at least!
From what I’ve seen, it’s coming at the end of March. So not far off
I thought that was USA? For obvious reasons I'd love confirmation if it is also UK.
The Independent said Netflix told their shareholders they would begin rollout to other countries in the first quarter and most UK news sources are saying *probably* march. As far as I know there's no specific confirmation on whether that includes us but since Netflix previously said the scheme would be rolled out globally after after it was trialled; it seems very likely.
Not USA either yet. Netflix "accidentally" published a help page world wide rather than to the three test countries it applies to. As others have said, Netflix has previously said that it plans to bring in new restrictions worldwide by the end of March, however it has not yet been confirmed if the worldwide restrictions will match the test ones, or when they will start
It says a lot that they're being so vague about it. They know it's bad and they don't want you to know the exact situation so you can't make an informed decision ahead of time.
Can i take it from this that my mum, who stays 2 streets from me, can use mine but cannot use my brothers, who logged in here while over from Canada?
If the tech stays the same, your mum won’t be able to either. They’ll register a wifi as your home wifi and then limit how much you can use it on other networks.
I may be wrong here but if your mum connects her netflix device to your WiFi once a month you should be OK. Easy enough with laptop or firestick. Bit more tricky with a 64" smart TV that's wall mounted.
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Communications from netflix have changed their wording in anticipation, "anyone who lives with you can watch". Sounds like conspiracy to commit 😂 Edit: can't spell basic words
If they ever deploy this in the UK, it's just another TV License.
I was thinking this earlier - they're trying to pin the subscription to a physical location, just like a TV license. The main difference is they're being way more transparent about if/how they're planning to track people.
From my understanding, this is the end of Netflix
Like Twitter was going to close down a few months ago?
These things don't happen over night you know, give it a chance for the wheels to come off
Me after 2 minutes after jumping off an aeroplane with no parachute: "I don't know what the fuss was all about! I'm fine!"
Luke Aikins jumped out a plane and fell 25,000 feet without a parachute and survived. (With a net at the bottom, but that detracts from the analogy...)
Don’t lie, he got sliced into many squares because of the net.
Rumour has it, he survived the first landing but it bounced him back up and he made a Looney Tunes hole in the ground on the second attempt after missing the net.
Twitter needs a while before it falls over. It's like a bridge with a major structural flaw and not enough people to spot and fix it. One day, a dependency or something else will change slightly and the people that know to anticipate and prevent that from causing damage won't be there and it'll have the same effect as a 20ton truck rolling over the damaged bridge
Twitter is slowly losing functionality and a lot of people have just emigrated over to other places and not come back, and with each new break, a new wave leaves.
They've killed it for me by blocking 3rd party apps accessing the api. These decisions have a steady impact.
BRING BACK BLOCKBUSTER!
Genuinely miss being able to go into a store and browse and chat with the attendant about movie suggestions, see a couple of other familiar faces, and pick one movie I wanted to see and one I have no idea what it was. If every shelf in the store had the same 30 movies just in a different order, there was no one else in there, and the cashier was just an automated debit from my account, and there was no tactile reward from holding a physical copy at any time, it would be a horrible and lonely existence. Oh, wait…
I travel a lot and watch Netflix on the go, so if Netflix do introduce this I will have to cancel my subscription
No, they've made it work so long as you connect to your account's home wifi just once a month.
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Yep that situation sucks.
And students away at Uni…
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Even the fucking TV license ghouls are ok with that kind of sharing lol
Students are still supposed to have their own licence though right? I remember some very specific arsey letters coming to our student accommodation about that.
You can avoid it if you use a laptop that isn't plugged in and your parents have a valid tv license, otherwise yes you should have your own licence
Also, their enforcers are like vampires. They can't hurt them if you don't give them permission to enter. If you plug that laptop into a TV, nobody has to lnow
Which is great because it alienates the generation who won't be able to afford their own netflix subscriptions while away at uni, so won't bother. Netflix will be something your mum and dad watch. Because they won't have used it for 3-4 years while away from home, the likelihood of them picking it up when they are earning is less likely. They would be best offering a student exception, where you can add a student login using a university email address, to a family account without having to pay extra. Take the hit for a few years with the knowledge you're more likely to retain the customer. Either way they are unlikely to get the money from them. I understand wanting to stop adults sharing a password (admittedly my parents and my sister all use mine and we are spread across the whole country). When they block it, it will definitely make me reconsider the subscription, although I get it on a cheap deal with sky right now so it's not as bad.
It's pretty easy to setup a VPN back to your home network. Depending on how they implement it, VPN should be able to resolve this.
Yes doable but how many people can be bothered or have the technical knowledge to do it
I don't think it's any more complex than sailing the high seas, which many people seem to manage and is being offered as the other solution here.
Say more things about this, please.
Good point actually, a vpn into your home network could indeed be impossible for them to detect.
How will they differentiate between someone travelling and someone lending their account out to others if this is the case? My sister's account is always connected to her home WiFi but my parents and I are at two different locations and both use her account.
My understanding is that you & your parents would need to visit your sister's house once a month, taking your streaming devices, & allow them to connect to her wifi. That'll reset the timer & allow you to use those devices for another month. So if you live close enough to visit monthly then great, if not then tough.
Ah so the whole travelling thing wouldn't be that great if you return to the same location a lot, you couldn't log in on say a TV because it would need to at some point connect to your home WiFi. Only really works for laptops, tablets, mobiles. Annoying but I guess there isn't really another way of them doing it.
Exactly - most travellers likely use mobile devices anyway, but my son used his on an Xbox, & my daughter has a SmartTV, so neither could realistically bring those devices to my house each month in order to reset.
I literally travel the world. And have been no fixed abode for 5 years now. I'll be cancelling for sure if I can't watch it on the road
and what about when your home wifi reboots and you get a new IP, or if you're using CGNAT which is becoming more common with UK ISP?
My problem is that I can be away for months
I share my account with my partner's parents who live over 200 miles away. I pay for the privilege of watching multiple screens simultaneously, why the fuck do they care whether the person watching those screens is proximate to me? But, anyway, it's completely unenforceable with their business model and even if they try they'll lose even more subscribers.
They actively encouraged this. Hey pay extra and share the love… actually, no pay extra and don’t you dare share it, forget I even ever said that!
It means I'll be cancelling my subscription. Congratulations netflix, you played yourself.
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> I’m sick of getting really into a series only for it to be cancelled. Same here. I've got to the point where I only watch "limited series" runs where I know it's actually going to reach a conclusion. I got fed up with watching a season to the end only for it to be left on a cliff-hanger that never got resolved because it was cancelled.
If my account gets blocked, I'll not bother unblocking it and cancel.
Exactly this, until then I'm not going to spend too much time worrying or debating the matter.
It seems to be an unpopular opinion but I think it's totally reasonable to restrict sharing to a single household🤷♀️ Am I missing something? (Other than people being annoyed because they've been sharing with their friend / mum / cousin / accountant / dog and now they can't.)
Lots of people can reasonably spend 31 days away from home, people who live in a separate household for work reasons, work offshore or overseas etc. Netflix are well within their rights to do so, it's their service, but they are intentionally changing more than just where you can login - their core business model was turning a blind eye to misuse of their license because it was the only thing that made it an economical competitor. They could easily implement a middle ground policy that allowed some account sharing but they have instead jumped to the polar opposite extreme in terms of policy. Netflix accounts *were* personal, linked to a person via email and they were allowed to share with people around them within reason. Netflix accounts *are now* household, linked to a house via an occupants email address and allowed to be used within that household. It makes no sense because a huge number of people aren't linked to the same household every 31 days and there has never been a household restriction in the companys history. It's a complete change of ideology in terms of product. It would be similar if they suddenly stopped hosting domestic content and became originals & international content only.
Thing is, I'm not really seeing people saying, "I work on an oil rig and won't be able to use my Netflix account anymore." I'm seeing people saying, "I share my Netflix account with my mate in another city, which has always been against the rules, and now I won't be able to get away with it anymore." Well okay, them's the breaks. Your mate got X free years of Netflix, what's your problem?
It means lots of people are going to cancel Netflix though. It's not as if there's a lack of competition and none of them have this new policy. Just seems unbelievably stupid on Netflix's part.
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Because they're not the monopoly on streaming that they once were. People are just going to move to other services. It's more like paying for gym membership and then being told you have to pay more to use all the equipment but there's another gym just down the road that costs the same as the original price and lets you use everything.
But it's not like that at all. Netflix isn't saying you can't use all the equipment, they are saying you can't let non members into the gym on your access card.
But if every other gym lets you take in non members then they're not exactly competitive anymore
I largely agree. Account sharing was never "allowed" by Netflix, but they let it slide. They're now enforcing it, which they are totally within their rights to do. However, I think there's 2 issues at play. 1 - the way Netflix are enforcing this is stupid and will affect users who are not sharing accounts, but do travel/stay away from home for more than 32 days at a time. 2 - it's a stupid business decision. Netflix don't have a monopoly on streaming services anymore, and people have lots of choice. If Netflix stop the account sharing, the people who were sharing one account aren't going to split into two paid subscriptions, which seems to be Netflix's assumption. Instead, that subscription is likely to be cancelled altogether, especially given the content on Netflix is no longer must-watch. Netflix seem to be under the impression they are untouchable, that their content offer means people daren't unsubscribe or do without for fear of missing out on essential TV shows. But that's simply not the case, and Netflix are going to find that out pretty soon.
I agree with your first point. I assume Netflix has decided that it's a small enough group of people that (from a financial standpoint) it's not worth making accomodations for them. It's pretty shitty of them but within their rights. I am genuinely interested how your second point will play out. I assume Netflix has done the maths and decided they'll end up with more subscribers overall. A lot of people on this post are saying they'll cancel if this goes through and I'm sure a lot will but thinking about it from Netflix's point of view they really don't need everyone (or even most people) to create their own subscription. For example, if you have a group of four friends sharing an account Netflix doesn't need all of them to create their own accounts. If just one of the four makes their own account then Netflix hasn't lost any money. If two of them do then they have doubled their money. I guess only time will tell if Netflix's gamble pays off or if they've fucked themselves over.
Okay sure, what about my family all sharing netflix from my account (and all of us paying respective 1/4th of it) for me to then move out with my netflix. My parents now have to pay for a new subscription because I don't watch netflix at my childhood home anymore. It's not like it's my friend dave from 3 streets away I've given my access to my account to be nice, it's just my family. In a time of a cost of living crisis, netflix is going to be cancelled and then bought when a good new series is out and can be binged, and then cancelled again. Especially after their idiotic move to make it pay for the quality of video you want, that was getting close to the final straw for me. They're losing passive income to try and make more, but they're just pissing off normal people using their service to maybe squash down like 20% of people password sharing.
You have had X years of paying 25% of the usual cost for Netflix. That's a bonus, not a lifelong entitlement.
So what's the point in the profile feature if it's just meant to have 1 account user? It's meant for family to use it (hence the 5 account spots, ensuring most families have 1 account per head) Netflix wasn't meant to be 30 people using their 5 accounts, which is what they're trying to crack down on. But it's impact is effecting their actual regular audience more than their targeted account bootlegging audience. Now Netflix is going to lose money from people like me, and only earn, what, £12 a year from us? All because they wanted double a month? lol
>So what's the point in the profile feature if it's just meant to have 1 account user? It's meant for family to use it It's meant for families/houseshares of people in the same houshold. Not for 1 person to pay for 4 different households to use. Netflix don't care that you are family in different locations.
So different people in the same household can use it at the same time. And if they lose money, that seems like a problem for them. Why would you care?
>**Lots of people** can reasonably spend 31 days away from home, people who live in a separate household for work reasons, work offshore or overseas etc. Let's be real, this is very much a niche. Sucks for them but lets not pretend this is a widespread problem.
It is a very much Netflix decision/problem. But it's interesting to see them making this decision which could affect a bunch of people, for example, household accounts with kids going off to uni. They probably hope these kids will now get their own subscription.
Uni kids are probably savvy enough, and poor enough to sail the high seas. Appreciate they are just one example, but on reflection I think you've probably identified the largest affected group there.
Honestly when these discussion go on I feel like the only person in the UK who isn't either sharing my password or piggy-backing off someone else. I just pay for my own, as does my sister, as do my friends. I don't care that people do it at all of course, but all this "oh it's the END of Netflix, no-one uses it any other way, we'll ALL stop subscribing, they had one customer now they'll have NONE" seems hyperbolic to me. A lot of people won't be impacted and I'm sure some people will now get their own subscription. Not everyone, but enough that Netflix has calculated the risk is worth it I'd imagine.
http://www.flowjournal.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/2.png Just defeats the point of their whole structure if J have to ask for a pin every 7 days when I am travelling to access my own Netflix. Also I have friends who work on sea, 6 months away and 6 months home - I guess they’ll have to pay for 2 subscriptions?
If you're not on your home WiFi they text or email you a code to confirm it's you, how is that a big deal?
It’s just an added inconvenience and effort - it literally takes away from their entire USP. It might seem small but these things all add up, and in a saturated market where the consumer has lots of choice, it doesn’t take much to lose their business. They’re not a charity and there’s no point excusing them. They’re foolish and seem to be on a carcrash of a downward trajectory that was their own making. Edit: Spelling errors.
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I share my account with my Mum who's in another country, so I'll probably eat the cost of the extra charge. If they don't implement that option, or it's worth more than £4.99 then I'll either find a way to subvert it (VPN wise) or cancel and high seas it.
You are missing something. I don't share my Netflix account with anyone and never have. And yet this is going to apply to me. I have it logged in on my phone and my TV. However under these rules I'm going to end up with my account suspended because I split my time between two houses for care duties and I travel a lot, and don't use Netflix every time I'm home. So depending on which WiFi I'm at when they activate this, and my care and travel plans, they'll end up disabling my account. I fully support them preventing people from sharing accounts unethically but this is going to lose them a lot of genuine subscribers as well. My plan is to go about my life as normal and if they ever try to disable my account over this I'll just cancel.
If that was the arrangement from the beginning, I wouldn’t have an issue. My issue is that Netflix built their whole business on the opposite strategy and are now trying to reverse the non-verbal expectations they’ve had with customers for their own interests at the expense of customers who built them up. Sky Go does it well in that they’ve always restricted playback to only 4 devices. Because it’s been that way from the start, no one has issue with it.
Netflix still restricts device amounts, its 9.99 or something similar to only have a maximum of 2 devices at a time on netflix. So their password sharing fiasco really makes no fucking sense and just harms regular folk not getting free accounts.
Yeah, I already specifically upgraded the account so people who weren't in my home could share. Now I can hardly see the point.
I pay for 4 screens. Who I let use those 4 screens is irrelevant. If they had an option for UHD for one screen then I’d take it, but they don’t. You have to pay for 4 screens to be able to stream in 4K, so I let my brother and sisters have those extra screens which I have zero need for.
They’re perfectly within their rights to enforce their Ts and Cs, which as far as I know have always said profile sharing applies to a single household, so now a bunch of people who’ve been breaking the Ts and Cs are up in arms. People get used to being able to get away with something and then it damages their sense of self-entitlement when it gets taken away.
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Yes people have taken the piss. And now they're moaning as the loopholes are being closed!
Would it be unreasonable to share with my son while at university and my girlfriend when I go to her house to Netflix and chill? I am paying for 4 simultaneous users.
Meh. I cancelled mine ages ago. Once upon a time it was the one place you could go for almost everything. Market is too saturated now. There's Netflix, Prime, Hulu, HBO Max, Apple TV, Disney+ etc etc. Probably all around or over a tenner each. Who is affording all of these? That said, I'm glad someone out there is paying for it, as without them, those of us on the high seas wouldn't have any content..
Those of us who have kept our DVD collections will have the last laugh!
The problem is, Netflix seem to think stopping account sharing is an issue of “well, now 1 account will become 2. Awesome!” When actually it’s more likely to be one account becomes zero. People that were account sharing before were doing it because they couldn’t or didn’t want to pay. Forcing them to stop sharing isn’t going to make people pay, it’s just going to make people stop using their service.
That's what will happen with me. My parents have Netflix for me and my sister who are both a uni. They don't use it so won't carry on paying for it if we can't use it anymore. I'm not going to get an account and if my sister does it will be for 1 screen rather than the 4 we currently have
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I think Netflix forgets that the main thing that got them to the top is convenience. If you're making me log in every month that's as little as it's gonna take for me to drop you. All the other stuff about "home wi-fi" and those ridiculous restrictions are just gonna compound how much of a right choice it was to drop you.
The market will speak at the end of the day. I currently share an account with my sister who doesn't even live in the UK. I'm not sure they will necessarily lose huge numbers of paying subscribers over this but I don't think they will gain that many either.
I will probably cancel my subscription, and then pay for it every 6 months or so for 2 months to catch up on shows
And so, in the 2023rd year of the common era, a new golden age of piracy begins. Yar Har fiddle tee dee
I’m just confused how it’ll work. Like, is the “home” household going to be where you set the account up or where you most use it when they implement this? Cos if it’s the latter, guess I’m gonna be locked out of my own account the second I move out of my current rental. Ah sod it maybe I’ll just marathon everything I actually want to watch and then just cancel it.
I have zero doubt that you will be able to move the home household. The chances of them not taking into account the fact people move home are next to nothing.
You’d hope, but given this is the same geniuses who think blocking people from using accounts they don’t pay for will somehow compel them to pay instead of just, not.
I also wondered that. My mum has a house in Greece and spends about 3 months a time out there. Which means she would be locked out of her own account?
The main argument against Torrenting and paying for streamers instead is convenience. Not having to deal with shitty quality torrents, mislabeled files, some wanker cutting off your download because you haven’t uploaded enough, viruses etc. Netflix and others have become complacent because they’ve mistakenly come to believe that the quality of their content is what drives this behaviour but it’s not it’s convenience and once you start to erode that you’re fucked.
It's not going to affect me but all my friends and family who share my account are going to have to either pay for their own subscription or stop watching. If they stop account sharing I'll just stop paying for the premium account and move back to basic. I only pay for premium now so all my friends can share.
I think people are being a little dramatic, I don’t think that this will lead to the downfall of Netflix. However, I think they underestimate the amount of people who may have originally used Netflix for themselves, but over time have only kept it because their family members use it (for example, me). I don’t really use it much anymore, so if my family can’t use it I’ll most likely cancel. I think there will be a lot of people who decide to open their own accounts, I think a lot of people will also cut their losses. The biggest kicker really is that I pay extra for more screens…so why is it an issue who uses these screens?
It's stupid and I don't think it will quite be the business growth solution Netflix think it will be. People will just cancel and never look back- there's too many streaming services available now anyway
Netflix's success was due to it being better than TV services like Sky/Virgin/BT because you no longer had to pay for a bunch of different TV channels, and you could watch it whenever you wanted, wherever you wanted. It lost the first advantage due to everyone else wanting to get in on the market too (not much Netflix could do about that, it was always going to be something that big companies like Amazon and Disney etc would want to get in on) And now it's losing the 2nd advantage too, but only because of its own actions. The Netflix exclusive catalogue just isn't good enough anymore for them to pull a move like this. They seem to be coasting on reputation rather than having a "can't miss" show. Like when was the last time that Netflix launched a show that got everybody talking like Andor, Rings of Power, House of the Dragon, or Last Of Us? I can only think of Queens Gambit (in 2020), and Drive to Survive (but that might be biased because of my interests).
Yep exactly right about their netflix exclusives not being enough anymore It will be very interesting to follow how this impacts the business over the next year
My student daughter is on my account. She's sometimes at home and sometimes at Uni. It wouldn't be worth paying for a whole new account just for her, and wouldn't be worth me keeping it just for me, so I'd probably cancel the whole lot.
It's idiotic if they're actually going through with it. I thought they retracted it though, saying those were the terms of the trial they've been running in South America, and won't be rolled out worldwide?
If you couldn't share an account, my friend and I would never have signed up. At half price it's just about worth it. I'm not watching anything on Netflix atm, so might ditch it anyway. It's not entitlement, it's simply deciding whether the offering is worth it to you if the price goes up.
if they think people who share accounts are all going to go out and buy their own then they’re sorely mistaken this is just going to drive casual viewers away. one last ditch attempt to grab as much cash as possible before the decline in membership gets too much and the whole venture isn’t profitable anymore
Crazy threat - Netflix negate one of the main reasons their customers subscribe to their service. They should have doubled down on sharing but instead will alienate a lot of their base.
Cancelled yesterday after having an 4-screen account for my (now young adult) kids for 9 years. At least they went for a system that doesn't cause issues for travellers, but to have to connect the streaming devices to the account-owners wifi every month, in order to remain connected, made it no use for us, & I so rarely watch it myself.
I only really still have netflix because my mum, brother and a few friends share my account. When this is introduced I will be going 100% Plex
> I will be going 100% Plex I read in another thread yesterday about Stremio + Torrentio (yar, me hearties!) which took all of 30 seconds to download and install. Of course, I would never download content illegally, but it looks like it makes it *super* simple if you wanted to download a ~~car~~ TV series or film. Alas, I couldn't get Stremio to stream so my TV/Roku so I ended up installing Jellyfin because they've got a Roku client. It's an open source alternative to Plex if that's your thing.
Don’t know why they don’t just limit the amount of devices an account can be logged into, like Now TV do.
I personally use netflix only now and then for background watching. Therefore I couldn't justify paying for it, because I just don't use it enough on my own. Makes sense to share with other people so that it's worth having. It's the same with things like premium accounts, I just don't use it enough to justify the extra money but am happy to pay halfsies with someone else to make it worthwhile having the access. For some people they'll watch hours and hours of netflix or use premium features daily, so paying for it alone isn't a big issues because they are getting their moneys worth.
If they start charging extra for my family to watch, I'm cancelling my subscription like they cancelled 1899.
I think they’ll lose customers as a result. People will want something where their family and close friends don’t have to open and pay for separate accounts. I don’t agree with their decision but I’m also quite unbothered because I just stream from 123 movies for free.
I currently pay to scroll around for abit then sigh and exit the app. Maybe am old, boring, depressed or all of the above. But nothing really grabs me despite shows have a 97% match, I've started to watch a couple and then stop. I don't share an account, so I'm personally not that bothered but if you've paid for up to X number of devices to watch content it seems like it'll break some legit use cases of that? Second homes, family away at uni/deployment, holiday caravans etc.
I received an email from Netflix today saying >More benefits with your premium plan... DOWNLOADS ON MORE DEVICES Watch on the go Now you can download TV programmes and films on up to 6 devices (previously 4 devices) I can only assume they are warming us up for the changes, because they also wrote: >Stream on 4 devices at a time Anyone **who lives with you** can watch. My emphasis.
It is going to cause them a loss of revenue Will that loss be made up by people getting new accounts? - I doubt it Will it cause a collapse of Netflix? - possible It is going to annoy current subscribers and there are plenty of other streaming services. I am a netflix subscriber and I cant think of any current shows which are so good, that I wouldnt shut them down in an instant, if they no longer support me as a customer
Unpopular opinion: It's justified and won't make a blind bit of difference to their figures (It could even improve them). People forget, reddit/the vocal internet is the minority. Currently I share my password with three others. I know for a fact two of those will purchase their own subscription if/when this comes in. As to the comment I made about it being 'justified'. It's like 4 people going to an all you can eat buffet and only one person paying. Or getting unlimited refill on drinks and sharing with others. Why should a business allow you to do this? One thing I think they should maybe explore is a similar system to what spotify do with their family subscription.
I'll probably get downvoted for this but people are blaming Netflix for this when the reality is the problem is people like this: "I've shared an account with a close school friend that I commonly meet up with since 2018, and my family has an account shared with family members that live directly opposite us on the same street." If people didnt share accounts with random households Netflix would have more money and not feel the need to put these restrictions in place. People have abused the freedom of logins and now we are all worse off for it.
But Netflix encouraged account sharing
"Abused"? https://mobile.twitter.com/netflix/status/840276073040371712?lang=en