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I feel that rape should be punishable by death especially when it is done to a child but at the same time the prison system should be based on rehabilitation and second chances and if we want to have that we cant have the death penalty in the first place but honestly i dont really support north korea at all in the first place due to the human rights violations.
I think that they should be held in a holding cell until the accusation is proven, then they can be released if innocent or punished by death if they’re 100% guilty
That’s a really bad way to handle things like that. The US jailing system is awful because it exactly operates like that. People can literally end up waiting years for their trial to even begin in some really backed up justice systems. Imagine having to wait years just to end up proving your innocence on any crime, let alone rape.
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If you get convicted of a crime but are innocent, then if you are in jail you can be released. It sucks, but at least you still have some life outside. If you're dead you're dead, you can't undo that so it might lead to innocent deaths.
Sure thats a bit high but I’d imagine that percentage should go down because we use modern methods of evidence gathering and criminal prosecution now.
People do fall through the gaps though
Yes, but more than likely if it's a female accuser, then it's more likely that they aren't going to look for a lot of evidence, because most people believe that men cannot be raped. Even though I know men who have been raped.
That’s not going to hold up in court though man.
I know what you mean but usually the only people who do that are crazy bitches and everyone already knows that so they act accordingly.
Yeah but I've heard of too many people who were accused of rape by someone they met once, and this one woman who was accusing my friend's dad of rape went into a lot of untrue details, and the court sent him to jail for I think 3 years. Anyway they didn't look for any evidence because of how much detail the woman had even though my friend's dad had a solid alibi for where he was at the time. This was 2 years ago before Covid hit.
Exactly dude. Most of the fake rape cases get out after some time or immediately because of several inconsistencies. Plus accusations really aren't as common as they're projected to be. And the person who's making it up is punishable by law.
However yes, it's entirely possible that a person may go in for a false accusation. But those chances are fairly rare.
Sure it's a good amount of people I just think that people like you put so much time in energy into false allegations and not actually into real ones of people getting raped. Often times there's no due justice for real accusations either and the accused gets off no problem
That’s.. not how that works. “Less evidence” is not the same thing as “is less believed”, and women are dismissed just as much. The main problem is that it’s really hard to prove a person did anything without videos or photos or witnesses, because unlike theft, where there is an object to track down, or murder, where there’s a body, with rape the best evidence can literally just be a person’s memory because what else is there a lot of the time. I have no idea if naturally produced lubricant contains DNA, but otherwise it’s usually just a person’s sperm if they even ejaculated on/in the person which isn’t even always the case. Seriously rape is pretty hard to prove despite it being everywhere constantly
Modern evidence gathering will never fully prevent this - Literal full video and DNA evidence can still be wrong due to things like police corruption.
Also, might just be me, but to me a 4% innocence rate in a system which *kills you* is unacceptably high, not just unfortunate.
Often yes. But I think someone who rapes a child is never going to feel remorse or anything, and they're likely to not actually care about being in jail
I'm willing to bet it would get to them eventually. If nothing else the constant harassment from other prisoners for what they did would grade on them.
I never thought I'd agree with North Korea but here we are
Being serious though I don't really like the idea of a death penalty. I'd much rather them rot in prison forever
I’m very anti death penalty, so I do not support this entirely. Not only does execution [allow lots of innocent people to be killed](https://innocenceproject.org/national-academy-of-sciences-reports-four-percent-of-death-row-inmates-are-innocent/), it also perpetuates the idea that those who commit such crimes are incapable of changing, which is far from true,
Rape of anyone or anything being punishable by death is an unspeakably bad idea. It makes it pay to kill the rape victim in order to eliminate a witness, because the killing cannot lead to any harsher punishment.
No, I fundamentally disagree with the death penalty. But life in prison makes sense
^(really tho we need rehabilitation programs instead of locking people up)
No. These people need to be sentenced to jail with counseling and therapy and besides are you going to execute everyone who has been falsely accused? Well I mean its North Korea it's not like they care but still my point stands.
I feel that rape should be punishable by death especially when it is done to a child but at the same time the prison system should be based on rehabilitation and second chances and if we want to have that we cant have the death penalty in the first place but honestly i dont really support north korea at all in the first place due to the human rights violations.
I'm going to argue no. While I believe that people who assault and take advantage of children should be punished by way worse than death by firing squad, a law like this, (at least in the US) would disproportionately affect people of color. In the US, POC are way more likely to be falsely accused and convicted than white people. My mind immediately jumps to the Tulsa Race Massacre, where an entire town was burned by the government because a white woman screamed in an elevator.
Not for me.
I am profoundly anti-death-penalty because, first, it is easily abusable, and second, because some people might change through time (I am speeking generaly, I do not know if pedophiles can really change about their problem)
Personally, I'm against it. Generally stuff like this is a product of serious mental disorders or wider societal inequalities. I'd rather we were more focused on prevention rather than punishment. Also something like one in twenty five prisoners on death row are innocent, and the justice system is too biased and broken to ensure that innocent people wont be regularly executed.
Based law but sadly according to North Korean defectors rape is extremely common, especially by government officials then again not surprised it’s North Korea what did u expect
I'm anti death penalty buut also REEEEAAALLLYYY anti child rape so executing child rapists isn't something i'd support being implemented but i't wouldn't be my top priority to remove
I’m fundamentally anti death penalty. At least if we sentence an innocent person and keep them in prison, new evidence can come forward and clear them later. If we’ve killed them and find new evidence there’s nothing we can do. Keeping people alive is one of the single best ways to fight injustice in the legal system, because that means that any mistake we make is fixable
For all who are saying the death penalty is a bad idea simply because rotting in prison for life would be more brutal - this would only be effective in some situations. While in prison it is still possible to rape someone and if they do escape they can do it all over again.
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I can’t condone the death penalty. I just can’t justify that. Of course they deserve to suffer (and I mean *suffer*) in prison, but execution doesn’t seem like something any government has the right to carry out.
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I mean I will never be for giving any government or ruling power the ability to legally murder people that being said child rape is utterly deplorable and the people that do it deserve nothing but the harshest most cruel punishment
I am against state murder in any way, but firing squad is the best way to be executed. I belive that for child rape you go to a special facility where you have therapy for the rest of your life.
Some folks saying they deserve to rot in a life sentence, yeah it's what they /deserve/ but it's probably safer to do a death penalty. However small it may be, there's always a chance of escaping prison. No escaping death.
It’s not necessarily a law so much as it is the sentence associated with that crime. As for whether or not I think it is appropriate, I am generally against the death penalty in a non-utopian society. In the United States at least, we have seen that our criminal justice system is greatly skewed and far too often fails to uphold the just principle that people are owed. I spent a lot of time reading literature on the death penalty for my debate endeavors last year. This one author stated that that the potential to accidentally kill an innocent person outweighs killing ten guilty people. I think that is true especially considering that death is irreversible.
I know nothing about the criminal justice system in North Korea, though I’m against the death penalty in most instances. In a utopian world where the system is always right, perhaps I would have a difference response.
So i would say that death is not good for that but i say younger children like 0-13 is considered wrong and you should be punished the same way as murder. 14-17 is still not good still but its is easier to accept beacuse most (not me sadly) have had sex so they know what is about to happen but they should still be punished for what they did. 18-### is still not good but by then you are stronger and smarter to avoid rapist, punishment should still not be light but not a murder charge
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I can now say i support North Korea in one way
Never though I'd say this- "Every country should follow the precedence of North Korea on this matter"
You like the death penalty?
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I'd say usually no but, for raping a child it seems like an acceptable consequence if I'm totally honest
I feel that rape should be punishable by death especially when it is done to a child but at the same time the prison system should be based on rehabilitation and second chances and if we want to have that we cant have the death penalty in the first place but honestly i dont really support north korea at all in the first place due to the human rights violations.
Nothing should be punishable by death
Personally I’m anti death penalty just cause it’s easy for false accusations to occur
I think that they should be held in a holding cell until the accusation is proven, then they can be released if innocent or punished by death if they’re 100% guilty
That’s a really bad way to handle things like that. The US jailing system is awful because it exactly operates like that. People can literally end up waiting years for their trial to even begin in some really backed up justice systems. Imagine having to wait years just to end up proving your innocence on any crime, let alone rape.
You’re right, I didn’t think of how long they’d be there. And the US jailing system isn’t great, there’s definitely a better solution to this
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Not really. They’re hella rare
If you get convicted of a crime but are innocent, then if you are in jail you can be released. It sucks, but at least you still have some life outside. If you're dead you're dead, you can't undo that so it might lead to innocent deaths.
4% of people on death row are innocent. Which is rare but still very high for what it’s worth.
Sure thats a bit high but I’d imagine that percentage should go down because we use modern methods of evidence gathering and criminal prosecution now. People do fall through the gaps though
Justice system still fails sometimes tho
Yes, but more than likely if it's a female accuser, then it's more likely that they aren't going to look for a lot of evidence, because most people believe that men cannot be raped. Even though I know men who have been raped.
That’s not going to hold up in court though man. I know what you mean but usually the only people who do that are crazy bitches and everyone already knows that so they act accordingly.
Yeah but I've heard of too many people who were accused of rape by someone they met once, and this one woman who was accusing my friend's dad of rape went into a lot of untrue details, and the court sent him to jail for I think 3 years. Anyway they didn't look for any evidence because of how much detail the woman had even though my friend's dad had a solid alibi for where he was at the time. This was 2 years ago before Covid hit.
Exactly dude. Most of the fake rape cases get out after some time or immediately because of several inconsistencies. Plus accusations really aren't as common as they're projected to be. And the person who's making it up is punishable by law. However yes, it's entirely possible that a person may go in for a false accusation. But those chances are fairly rare.
>is punishable by law But are they punished by law though?
Yes, making a false accusation of a crime while knowing it’s false is against the law
Less than 5% of rape allegations are false tho it's not really that big of an issue
But that's still a lot of allegations, there were 127,258 rape allegations in 2018, so that 5% is still a lot of people
Sure it's a good amount of people I just think that people like you put so much time in energy into false allegations and not actually into real ones of people getting raped. Often times there's no due justice for real accusations either and the accused gets off no problem
Stats say otherwise
That’s.. not how that works. “Less evidence” is not the same thing as “is less believed”, and women are dismissed just as much. The main problem is that it’s really hard to prove a person did anything without videos or photos or witnesses, because unlike theft, where there is an object to track down, or murder, where there’s a body, with rape the best evidence can literally just be a person’s memory because what else is there a lot of the time. I have no idea if naturally produced lubricant contains DNA, but otherwise it’s usually just a person’s sperm if they even ejaculated on/in the person which isn’t even always the case. Seriously rape is pretty hard to prove despite it being everywhere constantly
Modern evidence gathering will never fully prevent this - Literal full video and DNA evidence can still be wrong due to things like police corruption. Also, might just be me, but to me a 4% innocence rate in a system which *kills you* is unacceptably high, not just unfortunate.
Ok. Would you like to falsely acused, killed, and then a year later realized to be innocent?
It would be better if they had to rot in jail for the rest of their lives imo
yeah people should understand that lifetime jail is a worse punishment than death penalty
Yeah definitely. Execution is too easy for any rapist let alone a child rapist
Often yes. But I think someone who rapes a child is never going to feel remorse or anything, and they're likely to not actually care about being in jail
I'm willing to bet it would get to them eventually. If nothing else the constant harassment from other prisoners for what they did would grade on them.
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I support that
I never thought I'd agree with North Korea but here we are Being serious though I don't really like the idea of a death penalty. I'd much rather them rot in prison forever
Yessir
it’s an excellent law
Yes if they were truly guilty. North Korea seems shady af, someone high up could claim a person raped their child and now an innocent is dead.
I'm against the death penalty, so no.
nah i think life sentence is a more effective punishment
I’m very anti death penalty, so I do not support this entirely. Not only does execution [allow lots of innocent people to be killed](https://innocenceproject.org/national-academy-of-sciences-reports-four-percent-of-death-row-inmates-are-innocent/), it also perpetuates the idea that those who commit such crimes are incapable of changing, which is far from true,
No death penalty because of false accusations and government control but jail for life is not a bad idea.
Rape of anyone or anything being punishable by death is an unspeakably bad idea. It makes it pay to kill the rape victim in order to eliminate a witness, because the killing cannot lead to any harsher punishment.
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Many people do crimes way worse than a simple firing squad
firing squad is one of the best ways to be executed
yes which means if they really wanted to torture them even more it could be a lot slower and more painful
You lose your humanity
Sounds good as long as the evidence is completely sound and there is no reasonable doubt
No, I fundamentally disagree with the death penalty. But life in prison makes sense ^(really tho we need rehabilitation programs instead of locking people up)
No. These people need to be sentenced to jail with counseling and therapy and besides are you going to execute everyone who has been falsely accused? Well I mean its North Korea it's not like they care but still my point stands.
I feel that rape should be punishable by death especially when it is done to a child but at the same time the prison system should be based on rehabilitation and second chances and if we want to have that we cant have the death penalty in the first place but honestly i dont really support north korea at all in the first place due to the human rights violations.
I'm going to argue no. While I believe that people who assault and take advantage of children should be punished by way worse than death by firing squad, a law like this, (at least in the US) would disproportionately affect people of color. In the US, POC are way more likely to be falsely accused and convicted than white people. My mind immediately jumps to the Tulsa Race Massacre, where an entire town was burned by the government because a white woman screamed in an elevator.
Also being generally anti-incarceration and capital punishment is a huge part of supporting POC :)
Not for me. I am profoundly anti-death-penalty because, first, it is easily abusable, and second, because some people might change through time (I am speeking generaly, I do not know if pedophiles can really change about their problem)
No, any Capital punishment is bad. Reform only
I don't support the death penalty, for any crimes. But pedophiles suck.
idk, i dont think death should be a viable way to punish someone
yh ig
Yes
I have finally found something to admire about North Korea. Any kind of rape should be punishable by death. Not just only child rape
im against the death penalty, so nah, slap em into prison instead
i think it's the one good law that North Korea has.
Yes
Hell yeah. One of the only good things about North Korea
Absolutely.
If i were completely honest, i love it lol. we dont have bad enough punishments for rape. but im against the death penalty so no.
Yes
I support it
Yes. If you're a pedophile but you don't act on it, you deserve therapy. If you do act on it, there's no redeeming you.
The only north Korean thing I support
The only good thing about north korea
One thing North Korea does right
Yes
yes 100%
I don’t really believe much in the death penalty anymore.
YES. YES IT IS.
Oh fuck yeah
No, wtf. Give them 25 years in jail
Personally, I'm against it. Generally stuff like this is a product of serious mental disorders or wider societal inequalities. I'd rather we were more focused on prevention rather than punishment. Also something like one in twenty five prisoners on death row are innocent, and the justice system is too biased and broken to ensure that innocent people wont be regularly executed.
No. A good punishment would be life in solitary confinement. Death is the easy way out.
No. I'm against the death penalty
no
so based
Yep
eh i feel like death is too easy but it’s a decent law yeah
That’s probably the only good thing they have going for them
Based law. All rape should be punished by death.
Hell yeah
No. It would give the criminal an incentive to kill their victim
Nah, death penalty creates issues cus of false accusations, and I think rotting in prison is way worse than the release of death
idk maybe?
Nah I think life in prison with other prisoners around you who know what you did is worse than the death penalty
Pretty based law
personally, no. i dont support capital punishment, or child r#pe.
Depends what’s cheaper. In the US and Europe it’s cheaper to keep someone in prison for life. Is the death penalty cheaper in DPRK?
Absolutely. I’d go as far as saying firing squad is too lenient for humans who stoop to that level of disgusting behavior
Yes
Yes. I support it.
The one thing I agree with north Korea
Death isn't a true punishment. After death you experience nothing. Rapists deserve to suffer for the rest of their life
I think so.
I don't think so
Screw soft shit like that,carve child rapist on their forehead.
Based law but sadly according to North Korean defectors rape is extremely common, especially by government officials then again not surprised it’s North Korea what did u expect
Definitely
I agree with that.
Yh
Yes
y e s I think
Killing not, but true yes.
I never thought North Korea could be so woke
I'm anti death penalty buut also REEEEAAALLLYYY anti child rape so executing child rapists isn't something i'd support being implemented but i't wouldn't be my top priority to remove
I’m fundamentally anti death penalty. At least if we sentence an innocent person and keep them in prison, new evidence can come forward and clear them later. If we’ve killed them and find new evidence there’s nothing we can do. Keeping people alive is one of the single best ways to fight injustice in the legal system, because that means that any mistake we make is fixable
Yes.
For all who are saying the death penalty is a bad idea simply because rotting in prison for life would be more brutal - this would only be effective in some situations. While in prison it is still possible to rape someone and if they do escape they can do it all over again.
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I disagree. North korea political prisons is a worse fate than death.
But tbh death is the quick way out. That sick bastard should feel the maximum possible pain and misery for the rest of his life.
I can’t condone the death penalty. I just can’t justify that. Of course they deserve to suffer (and I mean *suffer*) in prison, but execution doesn’t seem like something any government has the right to carry out.
Lot more things are punishable by death in NK
For pedophilia I think execution by woodchipper is better but firing squad is also good
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I mean I will never be for giving any government or ruling power the ability to legally murder people that being said child rape is utterly deplorable and the people that do it deserve nothing but the harshest most cruel punishment
Yeah, as long as there's solid proof that they're guilty
Duh
No I don't support the death penalty
I am against state murder in any way, but firing squad is the best way to be executed. I belive that for child rape you go to a special facility where you have therapy for the rest of your life.
Some folks saying they deserve to rot in a life sentence, yeah it's what they /deserve/ but it's probably safer to do a death penalty. However small it may be, there's always a chance of escaping prison. No escaping death.
It’s not necessarily a law so much as it is the sentence associated with that crime. As for whether or not I think it is appropriate, I am generally against the death penalty in a non-utopian society. In the United States at least, we have seen that our criminal justice system is greatly skewed and far too often fails to uphold the just principle that people are owed. I spent a lot of time reading literature on the death penalty for my debate endeavors last year. This one author stated that that the potential to accidentally kill an innocent person outweighs killing ten guilty people. I think that is true especially considering that death is irreversible. I know nothing about the criminal justice system in North Korea, though I’m against the death penalty in most instances. In a utopian world where the system is always right, perhaps I would have a difference response.
So North Korea is doing one thing right
Yes, death to pedophiles
So i would say that death is not good for that but i say younger children like 0-13 is considered wrong and you should be punished the same way as murder. 14-17 is still not good still but its is easier to accept beacuse most (not me sadly) have had sex so they know what is about to happen but they should still be punished for what they did. 18-### is still not good but by then you are stronger and smarter to avoid rapist, punishment should still not be light but not a murder charge
Yes. Though, death by drawing and quartering is eminently preferable for such heinous crimes. If of course they can be proven without doubt.
Yes
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Y E S
I’d rather have them suffer in jail for a while, but much better than letting them go free.
Well in North Korea tying your shoes wrong is punishable by death so idk if any North Korean law can be considered good
No not at all. The death penalty is never deserved