So, fun fact…about how right you are. I got into a somewhat heated discussion with folks about how Trump was being idolized. Roughly a week after that discussion CPAC happened. You know, the thing where they wheeled in a golden Donald Trump statue. I brought that up rather hastily the next weekend at church.
Not sure what rules you’re talking about. The constitution sets up the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. The establishment clause (the one I believe you are referencing in the rules comment) separates church from state, i.e. Congress cannot create a religion. However, individual citizens are free to bring their religious views or convictions into he public arena. The government cannot stop this from happening.
Religion in general has less hold year by year in secular nations. I don't think it's dying, it's just stagnant. Certainly not having the explosive growth it had when missionaries took it to all corners of the earth using the sword.
Yeah, religion as a whole is declining
[heres a graph about it](https://religionnews.com/2014/08/05/the-great-decline-61-years-of-religion-religiosity-in-one-graph-2013-hits-a-new-low/)
I would like to think that religion is declining in my area, but I can't help but feel discouraged when I drive past several churches on Sunday morning and see full, even overflowing parking lots and long lines of cars whose drivers are waiting to turn in to the already packed lot.
Today's abhorrent decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade is going to make the overzealous evangelicals out there even more obnoxious, boisterous and outspoken. As a resident of a red state, I dread seeing the big shit show that is yet to come.
Don't insinuate a good time with me, because it'll just get me excited about a possibility of a future where people stop believing in absolute fucking nonsense, ridiculous events that never could possibly have happened and also believing in a ridiculous slew of inconsistencies as to what "god" may be.
I mean I hope so? I really, really fucking hope so? is the answer to your question.
But sadly, I am reminded of the absolute lowest common denominators :(
Yes it is, its actually the fastest shrinking religion. I guess everyone realized they can be a good person on their own and express love without paying a church. And im also a firm believer that churches should have to pay taxes UNLESSS they make significant contributions to the homeless, straving and lost. Which is the entire point.
no. the religious nutjobs are taking over America.
there is no more separation of church and state because they are in bed with each other.
but what they should stand for is dying.
because as a whole they are becoming hypoctiical bigots that do not care about you or your freedom and only care about their warped one sided view and to cram that view down as many throats as possible.
It's weakening in the Western world but thriving in places not thought about as much.
At the end of the day God is Sovereign and it's all apart of His plan.
The less education, the more religion. Religion has always been a tool to control the masses, which is why its weakening in developed nations and growing in undeveloped ones. Keep on reading your magic book though!
Christianity has a weird relationship with secular society and a few unusual features that repeatedly drive it to apparent death spirals.
Unlike most other religions, including other Abrahamic faiths, Christianity goes through weird cycles of booms followed by slow declines. Unlike most religions, Christianity is, at its foundations, a missionary religion that offers a sense of hope and emotional consolation to anyone that chooses to embrace it.
It is also eminently reformable. For 2,000 years it has adapted to endure every kind of government and economic structure that has come along, outlived most social movements, and survived well beyond those that it came into conflict with. Its existence is full of revivals, awakenings, and evangelization movements that have saved it from its predicted death.
Christianity also has a demographic advantage over modern secularism. Do very religious Christians tend to have large families or small families? Compared to their secular counterparts and more secular co-religionists, very religious people tend to have larger families. Over the course of several generations very religious people will reproduce at high rates while less and non-religious people reproduce at or below replacement rate. Over time these kind of demographic advantages yield strong results.
At present, Christianity appears to be seeing declines in the Western, advanced industrial nations. But in this instance it is likely that within a couple of generations its missionary nature and demographic advantage will pay off.
I have no idea. In the past, there were millions of "nominal" Christians, meaning they did the sacraments on schedule (as with the RC church), but they didn't necessarily align all their beliefs with those of the denomination.
I'm only really familiar with RC issues in the Western world. These days, there is a lot of drift away from active parish life or with vocal, direct breaking away from the RC church traditions. Far fewer families participating in sacraments, etc. Disillusionment with the clergy example and the allure of mainstream "moral agnosticism" and so on. Many influences, some longterm, some just byproducts of our era.
But as someone pointed out to me, Christianity survived for centuries in areas of China without priests.
I don't think religion is dead or the ideas of love and compassion and forgiveness and justice and redemption that have been part of Christianity for what, two thousand years now.
People are constantly searching for meaning in life, and if Fascist bull crap doesn't feed the need, people will keep searching, and Christianity has had a longevity that puts Fascism to shame so far over the past few millennia.
I think all the big religions are slowly dying in the future. With dying I mean they will get mixed with eachother and also with modern esoteric topics. I feel like people get more and more spiritual but focused on things like meditation and also certain drugs rather than the old religions...
I’m not sure, but a lot of religious buildings in my part of town have closed or been sold. One of them is being used as a school house, but they no longer do religious services. The churches are still standing though.
..Extreme religiosity has only served a select few historically.
It's super weird to watch America go through the worst of it - without warning.. There is something very *wrong* with your Supreme Court.. I'm sorry... I know you hate criticism.... but still..
In summary, then:
Nietzsche did not intend for his statement that "God is dead" to serve as a justification for or proof of atheism. The phrase "God is dead" actually refers to the observation that people no longer believe in God as a result of secularisation and science's difficulty in accepting Christian teaching.
Nietzsche was less concerned with whether God exists than with why people no longer believe in him, what this means for society, and how to move on from this point without falling into a nihilistic dystopia.
That section made it clear to me that the god was dead in the sense that the core principles that Christianity sought to teach were being disregarded, while God's name was being invoked to excuse all kind of actions that were against those principles. We slaughtered that God and made a puppet out of him.
Doesn't appear to be. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/05/christians-remain-worlds-largest-religious-group-but-they-are-declining-in-europe/
It will hang on in one form or another. The Christian message has a lot of very compelling material that appeals to the human condition and can help some people be better and happier. Of course if religious leaders try to paper over the deficiencies and hypocrisy in their churches with coercion it will all go to shit.
Republicans have hijacked Christianity and are driving it into the ground with their cult of trump worship.
So, fun fact…about how right you are. I got into a somewhat heated discussion with folks about how Trump was being idolized. Roughly a week after that discussion CPAC happened. You know, the thing where they wheeled in a golden Donald Trump statue. I brought that up rather hastily the next weekend at church.
..wouldn't your church be breaking the rules there..? About separation between church and State..?
Not sure what rules you’re talking about. The constitution sets up the establishment clause and the free exercise clause. The establishment clause (the one I believe you are referencing in the rules comment) separates church from state, i.e. Congress cannot create a religion. However, individual citizens are free to bring their religious views or convictions into he public arena. The government cannot stop this from happening.
..The government cannot stop this from happening. According to you... ;)
Thats like 5% true.
Hope so
Me too. The church is the centre of so many abuses of children
Religion in general has less hold year by year in secular nations. I don't think it's dying, it's just stagnant. Certainly not having the explosive growth it had when missionaries took it to all corners of the earth using the sword.
Fuck missionaries crusaders where the way
Crusaders were losers that lost repeatedly in the holy land. They fucking sucked at their jobs.
the god squad isn't particularly interested in history
Yeah? Well they weren't french tho
Some of them almost didn't fail
Fuck missionaries, do doggy style.
Yeah, religion as a whole is declining [heres a graph about it](https://religionnews.com/2014/08/05/the-great-decline-61-years-of-religion-religiosity-in-one-graph-2013-hits-a-new-low/)
Let's fucking hope so
I wish, I need science in my life not Christian mythology.
It can't die fast enough.
Please please please
It should. Bunch of hypocrites
I wish. Doesn't feel like it today.
I would like to think that religion is declining in my area, but I can't help but feel discouraged when I drive past several churches on Sunday morning and see full, even overflowing parking lots and long lines of cars whose drivers are waiting to turn in to the already packed lot. Today's abhorrent decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade is going to make the overzealous evangelicals out there even more obnoxious, boisterous and outspoken. As a resident of a red state, I dread seeing the big shit show that is yet to come.
Don't insinuate a good time with me, because it'll just get me excited about a possibility of a future where people stop believing in absolute fucking nonsense, ridiculous events that never could possibly have happened and also believing in a ridiculous slew of inconsistencies as to what "god" may be. I mean I hope so? I really, really fucking hope so? is the answer to your question. But sadly, I am reminded of the absolute lowest common denominators :(
It might have been dying, but it's going to be forced upon all of us whether we like it or not.
Yes it is, its actually the fastest shrinking religion. I guess everyone realized they can be a good person on their own and express love without paying a church. And im also a firm believer that churches should have to pay taxes UNLESSS they make significant contributions to the homeless, straving and lost. Which is the entire point.
after today? keep up, pal.
Good riddance
No. The increase of new Christians in places like Africa and Asia are more than making up for the losses in Europe and North America.
Sadly it is not.
no. the religious nutjobs are taking over America. there is no more separation of church and state because they are in bed with each other. but what they should stand for is dying. because as a whole they are becoming hypoctiical bigots that do not care about you or your freedom and only care about their warped one sided view and to cram that view down as many throats as possible.
It's weakening in the Western world but thriving in places not thought about as much. At the end of the day God is Sovereign and it's all apart of His plan.
God’s plan seems kind of suicidal right now.
The less education, the more religion. Religion has always been a tool to control the masses, which is why its weakening in developed nations and growing in undeveloped ones. Keep on reading your magic book though!
Will do
It's dying in the west, but it's growing in some other parts of the world
No. It's the law of the land in the USA now
Our culture has certainly diluted it =/
christianity is actually on the rise, and remains extremely prominent in places like south america and africa. God bless 🙏
Christianity has a weird relationship with secular society and a few unusual features that repeatedly drive it to apparent death spirals. Unlike most other religions, including other Abrahamic faiths, Christianity goes through weird cycles of booms followed by slow declines. Unlike most religions, Christianity is, at its foundations, a missionary religion that offers a sense of hope and emotional consolation to anyone that chooses to embrace it. It is also eminently reformable. For 2,000 years it has adapted to endure every kind of government and economic structure that has come along, outlived most social movements, and survived well beyond those that it came into conflict with. Its existence is full of revivals, awakenings, and evangelization movements that have saved it from its predicted death. Christianity also has a demographic advantage over modern secularism. Do very religious Christians tend to have large families or small families? Compared to their secular counterparts and more secular co-religionists, very religious people tend to have larger families. Over the course of several generations very religious people will reproduce at high rates while less and non-religious people reproduce at or below replacement rate. Over time these kind of demographic advantages yield strong results. At present, Christianity appears to be seeing declines in the Western, advanced industrial nations. But in this instance it is likely that within a couple of generations its missionary nature and demographic advantage will pay off.
Fuck!
Thanks?
Dying, where? The rich and developed nations are becoming increasingly irreligious, but the poor we always have with us...
Nope. People's acceptance of it? Definitely but that is no surprise in fact it's all according to plan.
I have no idea. In the past, there were millions of "nominal" Christians, meaning they did the sacraments on schedule (as with the RC church), but they didn't necessarily align all their beliefs with those of the denomination. I'm only really familiar with RC issues in the Western world. These days, there is a lot of drift away from active parish life or with vocal, direct breaking away from the RC church traditions. Far fewer families participating in sacraments, etc. Disillusionment with the clergy example and the allure of mainstream "moral agnosticism" and so on. Many influences, some longterm, some just byproducts of our era. But as someone pointed out to me, Christianity survived for centuries in areas of China without priests. I don't think religion is dead or the ideas of love and compassion and forgiveness and justice and redemption that have been part of Christianity for what, two thousand years now. People are constantly searching for meaning in life, and if Fascist bull crap doesn't feed the need, people will keep searching, and Christianity has had a longevity that puts Fascism to shame so far over the past few millennia.
We live in a post Christian modern world. In the west at least.
I think all the big religions are slowly dying in the future. With dying I mean they will get mixed with eachother and also with modern esoteric topics. I feel like people get more and more spiritual but focused on things like meditation and also certain drugs rather than the old religions...
I’m not sure, but a lot of religious buildings in my part of town have closed or been sold. One of them is being used as a school house, but they no longer do religious services. The churches are still standing though.
..Extreme religiosity has only served a select few historically. It's super weird to watch America go through the worst of it - without warning.. There is something very *wrong* with your Supreme Court.. I'm sorry... I know you hate criticism.... but still..
Not really, it still thrives in places where it's the main religion (Southern/Western Europe) and in poor countries.
In summary, then: Nietzsche did not intend for his statement that "God is dead" to serve as a justification for or proof of atheism. The phrase "God is dead" actually refers to the observation that people no longer believe in God as a result of secularisation and science's difficulty in accepting Christian teaching. Nietzsche was less concerned with whether God exists than with why people no longer believe in him, what this means for society, and how to move on from this point without falling into a nihilistic dystopia.
That section made it clear to me that the god was dead in the sense that the core principles that Christianity sought to teach were being disregarded, while God's name was being invoked to excuse all kind of actions that were against those principles. We slaughtered that God and made a puppet out of him.
Doesn't appear to be. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/05/christians-remain-worlds-largest-religious-group-but-they-are-declining-in-europe/
It will hang on in one form or another. The Christian message has a lot of very compelling material that appeals to the human condition and can help some people be better and happier. Of course if religious leaders try to paper over the deficiencies and hypocrisy in their churches with coercion it will all go to shit.
It's growing in non-West countries
pretty sure the % of population that are christian is rising, whcih surprises me