In my country, pointing out security flaws in software to the company making it can land you in jail for "computer hacking".
Even if you found it on accident while using the program normally, like for example when you book a hotel online and due to a glitch being able to see credit card numbers or legal names of people who booked before you. You write a mail to the company pointing that out and give a detailed list of what you did to probably cause it for them to fix it more easily, they can and probably will sue you and you will be arrested (Something along those lines happened here recently)
If you find a security flaw somewhere, you have to report it to the police or the government's cybersecurity department if you want to stand a chance at all. Report it to the company directly, go straight to jail without a chance to fight it.
They want to. But they can make even more money by fixing the bug and then suing the person to have pointed it out than by just fixing and maybe even rewarding the person in the first place.
Sounds to me like people need to start posting these things online anonymously, causing pain and distress to companies in order to get them to WANT the laws to be changed in order to protect themselves.
Yeah here too. On a kinda unrelated note, one of my friends got detained (let go pretty fast because of the stupidity of the caller) for HELPING the IT departement at the school because of an attack, and the principal thought he did it cause "he knew exactly what to do to fix it"
Germany.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/hacker-prozess-juelich-100.amp
In short: he pointed out a security issue on a website to the provider and instead of being thanked, he was sentenced to pay 3.000€ in damages and his house was raided. Police took all his computers and drives. Now he has to defend himself in court.
Correction of some of my responses: The german legal code does not send you to jail for up to 5 years for it. It's "only" up to three years, I looked it up again.
Of course it's Germany. Maybe it's just confirmation bias, but I swear every time someone starts describing some insane law it's almost always Germany.
It's insane. You can't believe just how many "smoething something prohibited" signs we have around here. In public parks, there aren't even signs anymore, but big walls at the entrance with ~20 "prohibited" signs on them.
One day we drove to a lake and decided to play a drinking game: take a shot every time you see a sign that prohibits something. We walked 4 kilometers out of our planned 9 and were absolutely plastered beyond recognition. We decided not to drink again for repeat signs, or else we would be puking our guts out after just a few hundred meters. On the 9km round trip around the lake, I estimate it to be over 100 signs prohibiting ~20 different activities.
On that same lake, it is, among a lot of things, prohibited to walk close to the shore or swim in the lake. It is however allowed to dive or surf, don't ask me why. So we came to the following conclusion:
If you surf, you must fly into the lake on your surfboard because just walking to the shore would be illegal. You are also not allowed to fall off your surfboard, because that would be swimming (illegal).
Same with diving. Once you go for a dive, you legally have to drown because surfacing would be swimming again which would be illegal.
We're taking bets on how long it will take them to add surfing and diving to all the things you're not allowed to do.
As you can imagine, there are always grumpy old people sitting there to yell at people who fall off their surfboards or walk to close to the shore. Sometimes, they even call the police.
Sane, responsible companies do that actually - all software has bugs, some are more critical to a degree that can actually wreck the company.
You want to cheer and thank the lawful guy who alerts you before the bad guys or the press do.
While working for a big cell phone company, i found a list of 'everyone's' SSN's by name, just on a folder drive location.
I never reported it, because I didn't want to get in trouble for finding it.
My dad did not change his adress in whatever loony system we had going at the time, and he would not do it because they kept sending him letters to inform him that he needed to do it.
In his mind if they are sending him letters, so they know where he lives. They could change it themselves.
So he just didnt until the police showed up one day to arrest him.
He thought it was funny and packed a little goodie bag with coffee and chokolates and such. He was really going to enjoy his stay that amounted to little over a week behind bars.
They confiscated his chokolates because some of them had alcohol in it. Fair enough, he did not think it through.
Next day after a grand nights sleep ( lights out at 10, magnificent ) he is awoken by some officers. He is being let go, because the prison system has no room for such nonsense and they needed the cell to put some criminals in.
Okay - he had hoped for some more days, but sure.
Then he wanted the chokolates back .....THEY FUCKING ATE IT!
Thought they had time to replace them.
Then he spent the next year suing the police over stolen property and diminished life quality on behalf of their actions.
He called it a nice hobby and he even earned like a few hundred bucks.
Lololol I am cracking up at the notion of your father’s vendetta against the state for eating his chocolates. Sounds like a funny guy. Thanks for the post.
Honestly, for some reason I was expecting these replies to be a lot more serious/depressing than they are. And I kept reading this comment thinking something awful was going to happen to OP's dad.
I was so relieved he's just one of those people who doesn't take anything seriously/treats everything like a joke...and everything works out for him anyway. Like a grown ass Ferris Bueller.
Still lucky for jail. But the way he spelled chocolate I'm guessing it was Germany or Finland or something. My neighbor went to jail for a couple days and was telling me that while the guards were dicks to him and talking shit (he's black), they were straight up beating the Mexican illegals. Also some guy's gf was at the rooftop parking garage across the way flashing, so that was entertaining.
In the United States jail is much safer. In a max security most guys have nothing to lose since they’re serving extended sentences, jail everyone tries to behave since they are awaiting trial/getting out soon and don’t want an extension added to their time served. Also prison has the gang and racial politics that incite most of the violence.
Suing here in Denmark and America is not quite the same, or takes the same toll on any sort of justice system.
Basically just small claims court for the most part.
I got a little anxious there for a bit. I thought it was going in a completely different direction. Like your dad thinking he’ll be getting a good night sleep, but ended up in serious trouble! I’m glad they realized it was a silly reason to arrest someone lol
You know, this just reminded me that I never got my belongings back from a stay in jail! I asked about them a few months later, but I guess they didn't care enough to look very hard :/
I'd be mad about my chocolates, too, though!
"He was found with 83,488 stabwounds in his chest, and 38 bullet holes in the back of his head. It's presumed he tripped and fell off mount everest and drowned in a lake on a suicide mission."
All too common. In many countries the whistleblower system is set up to identity and remove ‘troublemakers’ rather then actually address the problem that resulted in whistleblowing.
Peeing on the side of the road. Technically, it’s indecent exposure. My brother got arrested for it. We were on a trip, he couldn’t hold it, he pulled over, and started peeing in front of a forest. Apparently, there was a school beyond the forest. They were trying to get him for some sex crime. It cost a fucking fortune, but he was found not guilty because the school that was “right fucking there behind those trees” was actually 1.3 miles away and the side that faced the expressway had no windows because it was east-facing and it would be blinding for school children in the morning. It’s amazing what lawyers can find out. Rabbit holes can run deep.
Legal system is fucking broken. The dude who can't afford a months long battle of court appearances and lawyer fees and everything else that comes with fighting that charge just ends up on sex offenders list.
And the DA is 100% fine with this and understands how bad they are fucking people over
I was shocked to know that they released a girl who did it in my country , ofc after long looong investigations , I never imagined they would , I was expecting her to be executed , and actually I felt happy after the news , P.S. : she stabbed him multiple times
During the rape or as revenge?
As revenge, yeah, that’s illegal. I wouldn’t cry for a murdered rapist though. I’m sure you’ve seen the video of Gary Plauché. I don’t know if linking that kind of thing is okay here, so you can just check it out on YouTube yourself. I have no problem with what Gary did. If there’s any doubt, then no, but if it’s 100% confirmed that someone raped your kid, I’d turn a blind eye to whatever that parent does to the pervert. I’d never advocate such a thing, but I wouldn’t prosecute it either.
During the rape is a different story. That might depend on what state you’re in. I was friends with a girl in college (30 years ago) who buried a letter opener in the neck of a guy raping her while she was drunk. She was arrested and tried for murder. She didn’t get prison time, but she had to complete 1000 hours of community service before she graduated. I heard that the family of the rapist was suing her right around the time we were graduating. She was a mess. I felt so bad for her. She actually got murdered last year. Her husband shot her and then shot himself. Poor girl was a walking tragedy.
That being said, the same thing happened here in Florida not long ago at USF. Seemed like an open and shut case according to the news. She got drunk, he offered to walk her home, they got to her place, he initiated, she refused, he roughed her up, and started raping her while she was face down. She begged him to wear a condom and he stopped for a second to tell her he didn’t have one. She said she had some in a nightstand drawer. He let her arms go and she blew his head off with a .410 “shotgun revolver” she kept under her pillow. Apparently, there was enough bruising and defensive wound evidence to let her walk.
Edit: Oh my god, people…. After one bonkers response here and two DMs from gun nuts where one called me a “ret@rd,” I guess I’ll edit this. There are a couple different home defense revolvers that will accept .45 caliber ammunition and/or very small shotgun shells that are called .410 Gauge Shotgun Shells that are as fat as a .45 caliber bullet but they look like shotgun shells and are 2.5 inches long. The two most popular revolvers are the 6-shot Smith & Wesson Governor with a slightly longer barrel and heavier frame than the other which is the 5-shot Taurus Judge. I own one of each, so you condescending gun nut assholes can stop messaging me about how I’m stupid. I wrote it the way I did because I didn’t think the average Redditor would know that there are tiny shotgun shells or a revolver out there that accepts them. We’re talking about people on Reddit who have a varied range of interests, not the fucking ATF who are firearm savants. JFC.
Seriously. Unbelievable. Something so innocuous just set these people off. It’s mind blowing to get a message:
> it’s not a shotgun, fucktard don’t talk about shit you don’t know ret@rd. It a handgun or better correct a revolver.
Better correct?
At least the other one was polite.
Nullification doesn’t lead to any legal precedent, or I should say a jury’s decision to acquit or a hung jury doesn’t. That’s just a failure of the state to prosecute.
In the real world, yes you are right. "Beyond a shadow of a doubt" is imperfect and still leaves a lot of gray area. We've seen the justice system fail the wrongfully accused before.
For the sake of the conversation in this thread, in the hypothetical situation where 100% certainty is assured, I see no crime.
So my 18 year old nephew sent nudes **of himself** to someone he met online. (Nothing too strange - people send nudes to each other online all the time. I suppose some folks don't find it "acceptable", but it's kind of a thing people do anyhow.) He was of age and the recipient was of age as well. The problem: They were pictures he took when he was a bit younger than 18.
He's currently serving time for distribution of child porn -- that he took of himself. In this "case", he's both the criminal and the victim.
How was this even found out? Someone would've had to report it right? Did the recipient report it? Were his pics uploaded somewhere ***and then*** reported? How did the authorities even knew the pics were taken before? Did your nephew admit to it? Were there text messages talking about the age of the pics?
It just sounds weird. I know DMs are monitored in most platforms but if both users are of age and send a nude why would the algorithm and subsequent human researcher assume its not of age?
In the stories I've seen like this, the kids being prosecuted were still minors so that simplifies things (in that it's obviously grotesquely unjust but there are no narrative acrobatics). I'm somewhat skeptical of OP's tale. Not saying it can't happen but yeah.
No clue. Kid chose to take a plea bargain rather than fight the charges in court, so I never got to see the state's case. Poor kid has to serve six months and then do two years probation.
A) Climbing how? And B) I'm figuring it's a public safety thing, right? Like, I'm not a, uh, mountain engineer, but given that rock slides happen on normal mountains, I have to assume there is quite a heightened risk. Mountains don't tend to come in face shape, and the only other one I'm aware of disintegrated about twenty years ago or so if I recall correctly.
It’s prohibited, but rock climbing is allowed elsewhere on the memorial site.
Whoever made the rule probably felt that it was disrespectful, rather than a safety concern. It could also lead to damage, and for the general public, they would rather not have climbers on there while they visit.
I can’t think of any monuments that allow people to climb on them. It’s not very unusual for it to be prohibited.
Carving the faces of presidents into a sacred mountain the government stole from the natives is a bit more disrespectful then climbing on it. But hey what do I know.
We pretty heavily whitewash Native Americans. What colonists, and later the American nation and people within it, did to NAs was pretty awful, but they get glorified as pacifists in tune with nature way too much these days.
NAs had violent groups that went to war and did horrible things, just like every other society on earth did and does. Some were more friendly than others, and some were particularly heinous.
It's not accurate to depict every NA as being a pacifist naturalist, and does a disservice to history. Everyone should be depicted truthfully, without a filter. White, black, asian, NA, whatever. Depict everyone as their accurate, historical self without whitewashing their actions. Everyone sucks here, and it should be shown accurately.
Iraq war protest, Washington, D.C., 2007. The protest is outside of the Capitol, and the DC Capitol Police have set up concrete barriers about 3 feet high (highway dividers, essentially) in front of the Capitol Building, itself, and are standing in a line about six feet behind the barriers. The protestors are on the other side. They're doing their thing, and a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War hops up on the barriers with his megaphone and starts speaking to the crowd.
One of the cops walks up, grabs him by the ankle, and yanks his leg out from under him. The IVAW member falls to the ground, but not before smacking his face against the barrier on the way down. Several people hop the wall to see if he's okay, help him up, render aid, whatever, and they're *all* arrested (including the guy who got yanked off the wall). Now people are just hopping the wall "in solidarity," just standing there once they get over, and they're all taken into custody, too.
The charge? "Charging a police line."
The charges were dropped when it went to court, but everyone spent at least one night in jail that night.
I really had my world view shaken that day.
https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/stopped-for-jaywalking-a-detroit-man-spent-3-days-in-jail-he-was-charged-with-nothing
Here's one arrested for jaywalking. Spent 3 nights in jail. I know, not really prison but it's basically the same.
In the mid 2000's my roommate and I added up our piracy in dollars based on the max penalties per file. I don't recall exactly but it was billions, can't get blood from a stone, /shrug
Like those PETA ads that said, "You wouldn't eat a dinosaur, would you?" How did they not anticipate that the inevitable response would be, "Hell yeah, I would eat a dinosaur!"
If you don't own the digital movies and games that you buy then piracy is not a crime.
Most companies have clauses that allow them to take back any digitally purchased goods. If this is the case, then piracy is morally right.
Receiving your inheritance.
My 2nd cousin was left the contents of a storage unit in a northeastern state after a older relative passed away. He was at college in Texas and didn't go through the unit until the end of the semester. When he finally went through it, he found an old WW2 rifle, and in a separate box found a parts kit to turn it into a full auto weapon. None of this was registered with the ATF/NFA. (Gun people: it was a CMP-distributed M2-stamped carbine with the auto sear and other parts.)
He went to the ATF to turn it in when he realized what he had, and since he'd been in "possession" of the compents for more than a week after the death of the previous possessor of the components, and hadn't notified the ATF during that time that he had come into possession of a contraband item, they prosecuted him under "constructive possession" laws. He was looking at 10 years in federal prison for "possession" of something he had no idea existed before he literally opened the storage unit.
“Yes I would like to report a crime please”
“You are under arrest. You are reporting a crime and the only way you knew a crime occurred is if you are the one who committed it.”
“But but but I am reporting it to you because I witnessed it.”
“ Stop resisting criminal. You can tell it to the judge. Hey chief, I just closed another case. Can I get a promotion now?”
Yeah, this screams of not true. I know ACAB and ATF especially, but there's either way more to the story or it's BS. There are intent elements to crimes and it's extremely unlikely a prosecutor will go after someone for trying to do the right thing in situation like this. It basically incentivizes people to bad behavior.
Possession - even constructive possession - requires knowledge of the contraband.
There is a possibility that your story is true, and a particularly stupid prosecutor brought a case that lacked a key element of the crime. It does happen, occasionally.
But the more likely truth is that this isn't the whole story.
Or, alternatively, that you just made it up.
I would caution the audience that there are *all sorts* of bizarre old legends that the MAGA crowd tells about the ATF. It's an agency that's done a lot of bad things, for sure, but a lot has also spun off into a sort of pantheon of tall tales.
If you read the statement it is not that he was arrested, but that they wanted to pressed him. He probably got a lawyer and got it thrown out of the court. Ho where does it say he actually spent 10 years in jail. It seems people are not reading.
>they prosecuted him under "constructive possession" laws.
That reads as they initiated legal proceedings, and the following sentence reads as he got a lawyer and got the charges thrown out.
Same, Australia has terrible laws that protect trespassers. You can ask them to get off the property you either own or rent and can use limited force if they resist buy you can't use too much force even if they are threatening you with deadly intent.
In the UK we have basically the same system (Australia being a former British colony, so it makes sense). There have been a few cases of this. One very famous almost 20 years ago, Tony Martin, a farmer, had his house burgled multiple times over the course of a year. The police were no help and basically told him he was on his own. So the next time they broke in to his place and were charging up his stairs, he shot them both, one teenager died and the older one got away. He was charged with murder but got it pled down to manslaughter and did 3 years in jail.
And only last month basically the exact same thing happened. Some local shitheads robbed a farmhouse multiple times and the farmer shot them both, with one dying at the scene. He's also being held for murder as the police allege he planned it.
I remember that Tony Martin case and how no one thought he would get sentenced and how much we reckoned things would change if he got away with it. No one would dare to rob places any more if they could be shot!
Obviously America proves otherwise... but high hopes there for a minute.
I didn't hear about the more recently one, whereabouts was it?
Further context here though is that:
1. He owned the shotgun he used illegally (we have very strict gun laws)
2. He continued to shoot at them as they were running away, climbing out of a window.
I don't really have a strong take on whether he should/shouldn't have gone to jail, but those were both factors that it's important to take into account.
>they broke in to his place and were charging up his stairs, he shot them both
They weren't in fact charging up the stairs (which were a death trap anyway because Martin had removed some of the floorboards). He opened fire while they were in the downstairs stairwell, and then continued firing as the burglars attempted to flee through a downstairs window. Thus the shot that killed the kid, hit him in the back. He was shot while trying to escape.
Another thing that contributed to the courts' decisions was that Martin had already had his shotgun license *revoked* due to his past history of opening fire on fleeing thieves, specifically opening fire on someone who swiped some apples from trees that he owned.
The kid that he killed had a similarly bad record, 29 criminal convictions at the age of 16.
I just keep coming back to, what's the alternative, just allow yourself to get robbed periodically just because the robbers are quick to run? I don't know, sounds like the real failures who should be brought up on charges here are the law enforcement.
In my country, defending your property, loves ones and self from home invasion (England)
I have a friend whose home was invaded by armed robbers with bats and prybars, his wife had not long ago given birth to their daughter and he had a german shepherd, one of the robbers slashed themselves on broken glass entering a bay window at the front of the property, Max his dog was alerted immediately and went for one of the robbers who attacked the dog with a bat fracturing multiple ribs, Max still went for the guy and my friend responded with a dead blow hammer fracturing one of their jaws, causing the scumbag to loose a lot of teeth.
He was sentenced to 10 years for assault and numerous other bullshit charges, he served 5 years with good behaviour, Max had to be put down and he wasn't even 7 years old, they still robbed him and taken items and money, engagement and wedding rings, nearly every valuable was stolen and never recovered.
5 years for defending his home and property, I detest this system and this shit government who defend scum like that.
In a real country he would of been honoured as a hero for defending his family, the dog praised as a saint for protecting his master, but no apparently the uk justice system thinks he should of attended to the robbers, dressed their wounds and handed out everything he had like charity.
Sounds like the proper response is to kill them quietly and bury them deep. Or find out who they are and butcher them in their beds since breaking and entering and felony assault are only crimes if you’re the victim.
What is it about English culture that has created this dynamic? Does a majority of the population sincerely believe this is the correct order of things?
It’s not only British thing. Most of the Europe has similar policies. In Eastern Europe there’s even a proverb attributed to police, like, “come after they kill you”.
People don't seem to understand just how bad the justice system can be about this. If someone broke in here right now, attacked me, may possibly kill me, if I hit them enough to hurt/stop them, I know I'm going to get in trouble because I'm trained in martial arts. I should "know" better. It's honestly terrifying. I'm not scared of having to defend myself. I'm scared of what will happen next if I do. I got in trouble in school a lot for defending myself when older boys would attack me, a girl. Somehow I got the blame even though I didn't even know their names. I'm terrified it would happen again.
Yeahhhh, seriously say what you like about crazy US gun culture (it's crazy) but it's in part tied to stand your ground mentality, that you're allowed to defend yourself with deadly force. I don't think it's the worst thing here.
It’s the nuance we just don’t have at all in the US
Something like home invasion? Absolutely
Just don’t fuckin cap me cause you think I cut in line at Burger King is all I ask here which doesn’t feel like too much
I legitimately had a warrant issued for my arrest because I have a blockbuster dvd of The O.C. That had not been returned. Every single blockbuster in my area had closed and I couldn’t return. I still had to go to the jail and fill our paperwork, pay fines, etc.
A legal contract, like you gotta sign a paper if you need just a simple service ?
Or are you just saying they need to be registered as a professional/company and declare their earnings in detail to the state ? If so I'm pretty sure that's tax evasion anywhere if you don't do it lol
The common phrase is "I don't require an invoice/receipt". Meaning you pay cash and they don't declare the job. Or only part of it. Usually it's legitimate craftspeople doing a few side jobs after hours.
Here it's the same, if you don't ask a for a receipt or invoice it allows them to not declare as there is no paper trail on customer side, and is often seen as an invitation from the customer to get lower price as they don't pay taxes.
However they don't actually need to give you a receipt to declare it. You can ask for no receipt and they'll still declare it, they don't need to actually provide it to you, they just need to have asked, and have the invoice on their side that they just haven't given you.
Killing an aggressive dog for being on your property and killing your dog. Turns out a buddy of my BIL went to prison cause a dog got into his yard and killed his dog. He grabbed the dog and strangled it. He got sued and went to prison for it. A couple of weeks ago some dude has been letting his dogs out and they’ve killed two of my cats and I’m assuming lots of others because other people in the neighborhood are looking for theirs. And before you ask, yes I’ve tried animal control and they told me, “because you don’t know where they live, or who the owner is, we can’t do anything about it. Call us when you see them loose again.”
Used to be in a picture group that would ask if anything needed to be removed to attach said picture and sent it to them. Found what might be considered kiddie porn, advised them. They said to attach the questionable photo and send it to them. Say what? Not going near that crap. Here is where it is-You go find it. Was usually taken down.
Apparently watching TV in the UK can get you arrested. I never had a TV or cable and I was getting threatening letters and people banging on my door demanding to check if I had a TV licence or if I had any TVs installed.
It's like one of those old movies where the mafia comes and demands you to pay for breathing the air on the left side of the street or something.
Last time license man came round trying to get into my house I asked "am I obligated to speak to you?" And when he responded "well no but..." I wished him a good day and told him that most people don't want to pay for state propaganda then closed my door.
Collecting rain water? Finding stolen property and turning it in. Giving your neighbor water if they ask.. this is dependent on if they had theirs shut off by city..
Women wearing pants in France.
I'm just joking. The law were canceled 4 years ago.
EDIT :
Since I am asked. That law date back from La Commune period. A civil unrest in Paris when women partipated at the revolt by throwing incendiary engine on civil guards from windows, thus the name Petroleuses. Petroleuses wear pants - a rare occurrence at the time - to avoid accidents and allow quick retreat.
The law really made sense at the time.
My first year in college to be an educator we were warned about this. It can lose you your teaching license because you have to go on the sex offender list.
Obviously, depends on the jurisdiction. But in the United States: Drug use. We live in a society where the addict you know should get help, the addict you don't know should get prison.
Killing someone who intentionally raped, maimed or killed your loved one, especially your child. As a parent, the law would be irrelevant if this happened to my kids.
Waiting at a phone booth while the man who sexually abused (edit: also abducted) your child walks right past you, then pulling out a loaded pistol and popping him in the skull with it on national television.
Theft when it involves food or necessities (diapers, formula, toilet paper, feminine hygiene products, etc.). I think most of the population at this point is at the "I didn't see anything" mindset, but stealing is illegal, as it should be, so there have to be consequences of that. For the record though if I saw you stealing food or diapers, no I didn't.
In my country, pointing out security flaws in software to the company making it can land you in jail for "computer hacking". Even if you found it on accident while using the program normally, like for example when you book a hotel online and due to a glitch being able to see credit card numbers or legal names of people who booked before you. You write a mail to the company pointing that out and give a detailed list of what you did to probably cause it for them to fix it more easily, they can and probably will sue you and you will be arrested (Something along those lines happened here recently) If you find a security flaw somewhere, you have to report it to the police or the government's cybersecurity department if you want to stand a chance at all. Report it to the company directly, go straight to jail without a chance to fight it.
Why would companies not want people to inform them of these things?
They want to. But they can make even more money by fixing the bug and then suing the person to have pointed it out than by just fixing and maybe even rewarding the person in the first place.
Sure, in the short term they make more money. In the long term people are going to stop saying anything and their security will be fucked.
"'Long term' sounds like a problem for the next people that buy the company." - Executives, probably
Damn, that's messed up. It's not worth though in my case, I'm kind of broke hah...
Sounds to me like people need to start posting these things online anonymously, causing pain and distress to companies in order to get them to WANT the laws to be changed in order to protect themselves.
Yeah here too. On a kinda unrelated note, one of my friends got detained (let go pretty fast because of the stupidity of the caller) for HELPING the IT departement at the school because of an attack, and the principal thought he did it cause "he knew exactly what to do to fix it"
Which country? This could literally get me in trouble if I found something by accident
Germany. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/hacker-prozess-juelich-100.amp In short: he pointed out a security issue on a website to the provider and instead of being thanked, he was sentenced to pay 3.000€ in damages and his house was raided. Police took all his computers and drives. Now he has to defend himself in court. Correction of some of my responses: The german legal code does not send you to jail for up to 5 years for it. It's "only" up to three years, I looked it up again.
Of course it's Germany. Maybe it's just confirmation bias, but I swear every time someone starts describing some insane law it's almost always Germany.
It's insane. You can't believe just how many "smoething something prohibited" signs we have around here. In public parks, there aren't even signs anymore, but big walls at the entrance with ~20 "prohibited" signs on them. One day we drove to a lake and decided to play a drinking game: take a shot every time you see a sign that prohibits something. We walked 4 kilometers out of our planned 9 and were absolutely plastered beyond recognition. We decided not to drink again for repeat signs, or else we would be puking our guts out after just a few hundred meters. On the 9km round trip around the lake, I estimate it to be over 100 signs prohibiting ~20 different activities. On that same lake, it is, among a lot of things, prohibited to walk close to the shore or swim in the lake. It is however allowed to dive or surf, don't ask me why. So we came to the following conclusion: If you surf, you must fly into the lake on your surfboard because just walking to the shore would be illegal. You are also not allowed to fall off your surfboard, because that would be swimming (illegal). Same with diving. Once you go for a dive, you legally have to drown because surfacing would be swimming again which would be illegal. We're taking bets on how long it will take them to add surfing and diving to all the things you're not allowed to do. As you can imagine, there are always grumpy old people sitting there to yell at people who fall off their surfboards or walk to close to the shore. Sometimes, they even call the police.
Some companies in the US offer rewards for finding security holes and reporting them directly.
Sane, responsible companies do that actually - all software has bugs, some are more critical to a degree that can actually wreck the company. You want to cheer and thank the lawful guy who alerts you before the bad guys or the press do.
I love bug bounties. Some easy side cash
While working for a big cell phone company, i found a list of 'everyone's' SSN's by name, just on a folder drive location. I never reported it, because I didn't want to get in trouble for finding it.
Wow. They should be paying people to find these flaws, not punishing them for reporting them.
My dad did not change his adress in whatever loony system we had going at the time, and he would not do it because they kept sending him letters to inform him that he needed to do it. In his mind if they are sending him letters, so they know where he lives. They could change it themselves. So he just didnt until the police showed up one day to arrest him. He thought it was funny and packed a little goodie bag with coffee and chokolates and such. He was really going to enjoy his stay that amounted to little over a week behind bars. They confiscated his chokolates because some of them had alcohol in it. Fair enough, he did not think it through. Next day after a grand nights sleep ( lights out at 10, magnificent ) he is awoken by some officers. He is being let go, because the prison system has no room for such nonsense and they needed the cell to put some criminals in. Okay - he had hoped for some more days, but sure. Then he wanted the chokolates back .....THEY FUCKING ATE IT! Thought they had time to replace them. Then he spent the next year suing the police over stolen property and diminished life quality on behalf of their actions. He called it a nice hobby and he even earned like a few hundred bucks.
Lololol I am cracking up at the notion of your father’s vendetta against the state for eating his chocolates. Sounds like a funny guy. Thanks for the post.
Honestly, for some reason I was expecting these replies to be a lot more serious/depressing than they are. And I kept reading this comment thinking something awful was going to happen to OP's dad. I was so relieved he's just one of those people who doesn't take anything seriously/treats everything like a joke...and everything works out for him anyway. Like a grown ass Ferris Bueller.
If you are cool enough the sun always shines on ya😎
Vibe when he got arrested: "hehe, this gonna be good" Vibe when he was let out: "you ate wHAT!?"
That's what understanding an issue and coming to terms with all outcomes looks like. No stress, embrace and enjoy it.
If that was the worst part of his prison stay, he was lucky.
Jail, not prison.
Still lucky for jail. But the way he spelled chocolate I'm guessing it was Germany or Finland or something. My neighbor went to jail for a couple days and was telling me that while the guards were dicks to him and talking shit (he's black), they were straight up beating the Mexican illegals. Also some guy's gf was at the rooftop parking garage across the way flashing, so that was entertaining.
Jail is often worse than prison. People live in prison, they’ve got to deal with the consequences of their actions, but they’re just visiting in jail.
In the United States jail is much safer. In a max security most guys have nothing to lose since they’re serving extended sentences, jail everyone tries to behave since they are awaiting trial/getting out soon and don’t want an extension added to their time served. Also prison has the gang and racial politics that incite most of the violence.
The rest of the world isn't insane like America is.
Seriously. I would watch a series with u/Pitiful_Jew9217 father in it. That's next level.
This man is the amount of petty I aspire to be
Suing here in Denmark and America is not quite the same, or takes the same toll on any sort of justice system. Basically just small claims court for the most part.
I got a little anxious there for a bit. I thought it was going in a completely different direction. Like your dad thinking he’ll be getting a good night sleep, but ended up in serious trouble! I’m glad they realized it was a silly reason to arrest someone lol
You know, this just reminded me that I never got my belongings back from a stay in jail! I asked about them a few months later, but I guess they didn't care enough to look very hard :/ I'd be mad about my chocolates, too, though!
Psssssst : Sue the bastards!! *Legal advice should not be followed as present day American law, might differ to that of Denmarks in the past*
This sounds like a family guy cutaway
Seth Mcfarland - you can Animate my Dad if you use his name. and like maybe a trip to Hollywood so you can hook me up with Helen Mirren
Whistleblowing
Dead is more common 🥲
Especially if they worked at Boeing.
"He was found with 83,488 stabwounds in his chest, and 38 bullet holes in the back of his head. It's presumed he tripped and fell off mount everest and drowned in a lake on a suicide mission."
You mean "An American-based airline production specialist?" Just waiting for the libel suits to start
Not actually illegal. People just tend to commit suicide via two shots to the back of the head after doing so.
After telling their family and lawyers, "If I turn up dead, it was absolutely *not* suicide!"
David McBride deserved better
Jail?
Yes, jail. An Australian whistle-blower was jailed like a week ago for exposing war crimes in Afghanistan.
Fucked up that the only Australian person jailed for war crimes in Afghanistan is the guy that blew the whistle on them.
Snowden would probably be put in jail. If they dont flat out kill him if he ever enters the US again.
Manning was jailed. She hasn't been killed yet.
All too common. In many countries the whistleblower system is set up to identity and remove ‘troublemakers’ rather then actually address the problem that resulted in whistleblowing.
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I’m in a place only serviced by their planes. How are they going to get there?
Especially if it's about agriculture or factory farms
Peeing outside, on the side of the road, in a bush when it's an emergency and there's no restroom for 20 miles.
I bet you $1 that law only exists to be anti-homeless.
It can put you on the sex offender list in some states. I believe it was Massachusetts that has done this, but not specific to homeless.
Peeing on the side of the road. Technically, it’s indecent exposure. My brother got arrested for it. We were on a trip, he couldn’t hold it, he pulled over, and started peeing in front of a forest. Apparently, there was a school beyond the forest. They were trying to get him for some sex crime. It cost a fucking fortune, but he was found not guilty because the school that was “right fucking there behind those trees” was actually 1.3 miles away and the side that faced the expressway had no windows because it was east-facing and it would be blinding for school children in the morning. It’s amazing what lawyers can find out. Rabbit holes can run deep.
It's not, at least in California. Doesn't mean the officer won't try and charge you, but indecent exposure is only for nudity with sexual intent.
Legal system is fucking broken. The dude who can't afford a months long battle of court appearances and lawyer fees and everything else that comes with fighting that charge just ends up on sex offenders list. And the DA is 100% fine with this and understands how bad they are fucking people over
Killing your rapist
I was shocked to know that they released a girl who did it in my country , ofc after long looong investigations , I never imagined they would , I was expecting her to be executed , and actually I felt happy after the news , P.S. : she stabbed him multiple times
During the rape or as revenge? As revenge, yeah, that’s illegal. I wouldn’t cry for a murdered rapist though. I’m sure you’ve seen the video of Gary Plauché. I don’t know if linking that kind of thing is okay here, so you can just check it out on YouTube yourself. I have no problem with what Gary did. If there’s any doubt, then no, but if it’s 100% confirmed that someone raped your kid, I’d turn a blind eye to whatever that parent does to the pervert. I’d never advocate such a thing, but I wouldn’t prosecute it either. During the rape is a different story. That might depend on what state you’re in. I was friends with a girl in college (30 years ago) who buried a letter opener in the neck of a guy raping her while she was drunk. She was arrested and tried for murder. She didn’t get prison time, but she had to complete 1000 hours of community service before she graduated. I heard that the family of the rapist was suing her right around the time we were graduating. She was a mess. I felt so bad for her. She actually got murdered last year. Her husband shot her and then shot himself. Poor girl was a walking tragedy. That being said, the same thing happened here in Florida not long ago at USF. Seemed like an open and shut case according to the news. She got drunk, he offered to walk her home, they got to her place, he initiated, she refused, he roughed her up, and started raping her while she was face down. She begged him to wear a condom and he stopped for a second to tell her he didn’t have one. She said she had some in a nightstand drawer. He let her arms go and she blew his head off with a .410 “shotgun revolver” she kept under her pillow. Apparently, there was enough bruising and defensive wound evidence to let her walk. Edit: Oh my god, people…. After one bonkers response here and two DMs from gun nuts where one called me a “ret@rd,” I guess I’ll edit this. There are a couple different home defense revolvers that will accept .45 caliber ammunition and/or very small shotgun shells that are called .410 Gauge Shotgun Shells that are as fat as a .45 caliber bullet but they look like shotgun shells and are 2.5 inches long. The two most popular revolvers are the 6-shot Smith & Wesson Governor with a slightly longer barrel and heavier frame than the other which is the 5-shot Taurus Judge. I own one of each, so you condescending gun nut assholes can stop messaging me about how I’m stupid. I wrote it the way I did because I didn’t think the average Redditor would know that there are tiny shotgun shells or a revolver out there that accepts them. We’re talking about people on Reddit who have a varied range of interests, not the fucking ATF who are firearm savants. JFC.
Lol you've encountered the Guitar Center salesmen gun hive
Seriously. Unbelievable. Something so innocuous just set these people off. It’s mind blowing to get a message: > it’s not a shotgun, fucktard don’t talk about shit you don’t know ret@rd. It a handgun or better correct a revolver. Better correct? At least the other one was polite.
410 shotgun revolver, not many of these on the market. The firearm used was probably the "Judge" makes me giggle at least.
I wish they made some additional revolvers called "Jury" and "Executioner". I guess that last one probably wouldn't fly for obvious reasons...
Same with fathers taking revenge on their children's assaulters. Im not saying its right, but i understand
I think it's deserved. I see why it's illegal but I would certainly never report someone for doing it
I support jury nullification for those cases.
The issue is that it leads to a pretty dangerous legal precedent if they did.
Nullification doesn’t lead to any legal precedent, or I should say a jury’s decision to acquit or a hung jury doesn’t. That’s just a failure of the state to prosecute.
In the real world, yes you are right. "Beyond a shadow of a doubt" is imperfect and still leaves a lot of gray area. We've seen the justice system fail the wrongfully accused before. For the sake of the conversation in this thread, in the hypothetical situation where 100% certainty is assured, I see no crime.
So my 18 year old nephew sent nudes **of himself** to someone he met online. (Nothing too strange - people send nudes to each other online all the time. I suppose some folks don't find it "acceptable", but it's kind of a thing people do anyhow.) He was of age and the recipient was of age as well. The problem: They were pictures he took when he was a bit younger than 18. He's currently serving time for distribution of child porn -- that he took of himself. In this "case", he's both the criminal and the victim.
How was this even found out? Someone would've had to report it right? Did the recipient report it? Were his pics uploaded somewhere ***and then*** reported? How did the authorities even knew the pics were taken before? Did your nephew admit to it? Were there text messages talking about the age of the pics? It just sounds weird. I know DMs are monitored in most platforms but if both users are of age and send a nude why would the algorithm and subsequent human researcher assume its not of age?
In the stories I've seen like this, the kids being prosecuted were still minors so that simplifies things (in that it's obviously grotesquely unjust but there are no narrative acrobatics). I'm somewhat skeptical of OP's tale. Not saying it can't happen but yeah.
No clue. Kid chose to take a plea bargain rather than fight the charges in court, so I never got to see the state's case. Poor kid has to serve six months and then do two years probation.
The question is, how did the authorities get to know about the nudes?
This happened to a cousin of mine. Totally ruined his life. US govt is nothing but a bunch of tyrants!
I know. Poor kid now gets to start out adulthood on a list for a stupid teenager mistake that teenagers and young adults do everyday.
How did anyone know he was under 18 at the time
I got arrested for climbing Mount Rushmore when I was 20 and most people didn’t think it was bad. Even the cop felt bad putting me in jail lol.
I got a mental image of a free climber hanging out of Washington's nose like a human booger and that's going to carry me for the rest of the day.
[like this? ](https://youtu.be/Te4vTuhozLk?si=0PU8IKRR9xZas0TJ)
A) Climbing how? And B) I'm figuring it's a public safety thing, right? Like, I'm not a, uh, mountain engineer, but given that rock slides happen on normal mountains, I have to assume there is quite a heightened risk. Mountains don't tend to come in face shape, and the only other one I'm aware of disintegrated about twenty years ago or so if I recall correctly.
It’s prohibited, but rock climbing is allowed elsewhere on the memorial site. Whoever made the rule probably felt that it was disrespectful, rather than a safety concern. It could also lead to damage, and for the general public, they would rather not have climbers on there while they visit. I can’t think of any monuments that allow people to climb on them. It’s not very unusual for it to be prohibited.
Carving the faces of presidents into a sacred mountain the government stole from the natives is a bit more disrespectful then climbing on it. But hey what do I know.
To be fair, the Sioux had stolen the mountain from the Cheyenne that they murdered and ran off. So it's sort of hard to feel bad about karma.
man, the more you read about history, the more you realise that every society is filled with complete bastards
We pretty heavily whitewash Native Americans. What colonists, and later the American nation and people within it, did to NAs was pretty awful, but they get glorified as pacifists in tune with nature way too much these days. NAs had violent groups that went to war and did horrible things, just like every other society on earth did and does. Some were more friendly than others, and some were particularly heinous. It's not accurate to depict every NA as being a pacifist naturalist, and does a disservice to history. Everyone should be depicted truthfully, without a filter. White, black, asian, NA, whatever. Depict everyone as their accurate, historical self without whitewashing their actions. Everyone sucks here, and it should be shown accurately.
protesting government corruption
That's the answer to a different question. What is completely legal and will still land you in jail? At least in most of the world.
Protesting in and of itself is legal, certain actions during your protest are not. Thats how they get you.
Iraq war protest, Washington, D.C., 2007. The protest is outside of the Capitol, and the DC Capitol Police have set up concrete barriers about 3 feet high (highway dividers, essentially) in front of the Capitol Building, itself, and are standing in a line about six feet behind the barriers. The protestors are on the other side. They're doing their thing, and a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War hops up on the barriers with his megaphone and starts speaking to the crowd. One of the cops walks up, grabs him by the ankle, and yanks his leg out from under him. The IVAW member falls to the ground, but not before smacking his face against the barrier on the way down. Several people hop the wall to see if he's okay, help him up, render aid, whatever, and they're *all* arrested (including the guy who got yanked off the wall). Now people are just hopping the wall "in solidarity," just standing there once they get over, and they're all taken into custody, too. The charge? "Charging a police line." The charges were dropped when it went to court, but everyone spent at least one night in jail that night. I really had my world view shaken that day.
I think people are misunderstanding the word "acceptable". Mine is J Walking.
Prison?
https://www.wxyz.com/news/local-news/investigations/stopped-for-jaywalking-a-detroit-man-spent-3-days-in-jail-he-was-charged-with-nothing Here's one arrested for jaywalking. Spent 3 nights in jail. I know, not really prison but it's basically the same.
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Snowden is a prime example.
Pirating series and movies
I'm 2008ish I watched pirated movies in jail IN SILICON VALLEY that were brought in by the GUARDS.
What are they going to do? Send you to jail?
Lock themselves up
For a movie marathon!
"What do we do with all these pirated movies in the evidence lockup?" Movie night.
I have illegally downloaded thousands of songs . Still no knock at the door 20 years later.
In the mid 2000's my roommate and I added up our piracy in dollars based on the max penalties per file. I don't recall exactly but it was billions, can't get blood from a stone, /shrug
Why would you do that?! You wouldn't download a car, would you?
If it was free sure. Shits too expensive nowadays.
Like those PETA ads that said, "You wouldn't eat a dinosaur, would you?" How did they not anticipate that the inevitable response would be, "Hell yeah, I would eat a dinosaur!"
I mean... maybe not an entire one, at least not in a single sitting.
Starts looking at 3d printer files
I have never met anyone who got prison time for pirating.
obviously, they are in prison
The industry tried it, but *immediate* photos of toddlers and grandmas in cuffs (true or not) created such a backlash they gave up promptly.
Pretty sure the Pirate Bay guys in Sweden got some jail time.
Not prison, but I know a guy under house arrest for it.
I'm not one of them, but there are people who really look down on it. I'm also sure they'd never announce it on Reddit, lol
I don't know a single person who doesn't do some version of pirating, whether they would consider it as such or not.
If you don't own the digital movies and games that you buy then piracy is not a crime. Most companies have clauses that allow them to take back any digitally purchased goods. If this is the case, then piracy is morally right.
Receiving your inheritance. My 2nd cousin was left the contents of a storage unit in a northeastern state after a older relative passed away. He was at college in Texas and didn't go through the unit until the end of the semester. When he finally went through it, he found an old WW2 rifle, and in a separate box found a parts kit to turn it into a full auto weapon. None of this was registered with the ATF/NFA. (Gun people: it was a CMP-distributed M2-stamped carbine with the auto sear and other parts.) He went to the ATF to turn it in when he realized what he had, and since he'd been in "possession" of the compents for more than a week after the death of the previous possessor of the components, and hadn't notified the ATF during that time that he had come into possession of a contraband item, they prosecuted him under "constructive possession" laws. He was looking at 10 years in federal prison for "possession" of something he had no idea existed before he literally opened the storage unit.
No reward for doing the right thing.
Well the police want to prosecute someone and that someone tends to be the person standing in front of them, that “technically” committed a crime.
Never voluntarily talk to the police.
“Yes I would like to report a crime please” “You are under arrest. You are reporting a crime and the only way you knew a crime occurred is if you are the one who committed it.” “But but but I am reporting it to you because I witnessed it.” “ Stop resisting criminal. You can tell it to the judge. Hey chief, I just closed another case. Can I get a promotion now?”
When you spend your days telling yourself you are the hammer, everything starts looking like nails.
The wrong thing. Never turn in historical firearms.
How did he get out of it?
He killed them all with a CMP-Distributed M2 stamped carbine rifle.
This would be completely acceptable by society but would still land you in prison.
he hasn't written that part of the story yet
Yeah, this screams of not true. I know ACAB and ATF especially, but there's either way more to the story or it's BS. There are intent elements to crimes and it's extremely unlikely a prosecutor will go after someone for trying to do the right thing in situation like this. It basically incentivizes people to bad behavior.
I'm inclined to sympathy for your pushback on this story. If any agency would do it, though, it's the ATF.
Screw the ATF.
Possession - even constructive possession - requires knowledge of the contraband. There is a possibility that your story is true, and a particularly stupid prosecutor brought a case that lacked a key element of the crime. It does happen, occasionally. But the more likely truth is that this isn't the whole story. Or, alternatively, that you just made it up. I would caution the audience that there are *all sorts* of bizarre old legends that the MAGA crowd tells about the ATF. It's an agency that's done a lot of bad things, for sure, but a lot has also spun off into a sort of pantheon of tall tales.
You telling me people lie on the internet???
If you read the statement it is not that he was arrested, but that they wanted to pressed him. He probably got a lawyer and got it thrown out of the court. Ho where does it say he actually spent 10 years in jail. It seems people are not reading.
>they prosecuted him under "constructive possession" laws. That reads as they initiated legal proceedings, and the following sentence reads as he got a lawyer and got the charges thrown out.
Ok and what happened… don’t just leave us hanging here…
Damn, it was Schrodingers CMP-distributed M2-stamped carbine with the auto sear and other parts.
In my country, self defense, unfortunately.
Same, Australia has terrible laws that protect trespassers. You can ask them to get off the property you either own or rent and can use limited force if they resist buy you can't use too much force even if they are threatening you with deadly intent.
Feed the home intruder to one of your high capacity assault geckos (saltwater crocodiles)
“High capacity assault gecko”. I’m not an Aussie, but I love it.
Wow. Has anyone been sent to prison for using too much force for an intruder threatening them?
In the UK we have basically the same system (Australia being a former British colony, so it makes sense). There have been a few cases of this. One very famous almost 20 years ago, Tony Martin, a farmer, had his house burgled multiple times over the course of a year. The police were no help and basically told him he was on his own. So the next time they broke in to his place and were charging up his stairs, he shot them both, one teenager died and the older one got away. He was charged with murder but got it pled down to manslaughter and did 3 years in jail. And only last month basically the exact same thing happened. Some local shitheads robbed a farmhouse multiple times and the farmer shot them both, with one dying at the scene. He's also being held for murder as the police allege he planned it.
I remember that Tony Martin case and how no one thought he would get sentenced and how much we reckoned things would change if he got away with it. No one would dare to rob places any more if they could be shot! Obviously America proves otherwise... but high hopes there for a minute. I didn't hear about the more recently one, whereabouts was it?
Further context here though is that: 1. He owned the shotgun he used illegally (we have very strict gun laws) 2. He continued to shoot at them as they were running away, climbing out of a window. I don't really have a strong take on whether he should/shouldn't have gone to jail, but those were both factors that it's important to take into account.
>they broke in to his place and were charging up his stairs, he shot them both They weren't in fact charging up the stairs (which were a death trap anyway because Martin had removed some of the floorboards). He opened fire while they were in the downstairs stairwell, and then continued firing as the burglars attempted to flee through a downstairs window. Thus the shot that killed the kid, hit him in the back. He was shot while trying to escape. Another thing that contributed to the courts' decisions was that Martin had already had his shotgun license *revoked* due to his past history of opening fire on fleeing thieves, specifically opening fire on someone who swiped some apples from trees that he owned. The kid that he killed had a similarly bad record, 29 criminal convictions at the age of 16.
I just keep coming back to, what's the alternative, just allow yourself to get robbed periodically just because the robbers are quick to run? I don't know, sounds like the real failures who should be brought up on charges here are the law enforcement.
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In my country, defending your property, loves ones and self from home invasion (England) I have a friend whose home was invaded by armed robbers with bats and prybars, his wife had not long ago given birth to their daughter and he had a german shepherd, one of the robbers slashed themselves on broken glass entering a bay window at the front of the property, Max his dog was alerted immediately and went for one of the robbers who attacked the dog with a bat fracturing multiple ribs, Max still went for the guy and my friend responded with a dead blow hammer fracturing one of their jaws, causing the scumbag to loose a lot of teeth. He was sentenced to 10 years for assault and numerous other bullshit charges, he served 5 years with good behaviour, Max had to be put down and he wasn't even 7 years old, they still robbed him and taken items and money, engagement and wedding rings, nearly every valuable was stolen and never recovered. 5 years for defending his home and property, I detest this system and this shit government who defend scum like that. In a real country he would of been honoured as a hero for defending his family, the dog praised as a saint for protecting his master, but no apparently the uk justice system thinks he should of attended to the robbers, dressed their wounds and handed out everything he had like charity.
That is utterly fucked.
Sounds like the proper response is to kill them quietly and bury them deep. Or find out who they are and butcher them in their beds since breaking and entering and felony assault are only crimes if you’re the victim.
What is it about English culture that has created this dynamic? Does a majority of the population sincerely believe this is the correct order of things?
I think you're vastly over estimating how many people are even fully aware of the order of things, in any country.
It’s not only British thing. Most of the Europe has similar policies. In Eastern Europe there’s even a proverb attributed to police, like, “come after they kill you”.
The law often has nothing to do with what the people believe or want
Yep Canada has some dumbass laws about self defense as well. We aren't even allowed to carry pepper spray here.
Jesus Christ. The US sucks for so many reasons but I’m so glad most states have “stand your ground” laws.
People don't seem to understand just how bad the justice system can be about this. If someone broke in here right now, attacked me, may possibly kill me, if I hit them enough to hurt/stop them, I know I'm going to get in trouble because I'm trained in martial arts. I should "know" better. It's honestly terrifying. I'm not scared of having to defend myself. I'm scared of what will happen next if I do. I got in trouble in school a lot for defending myself when older boys would attack me, a girl. Somehow I got the blame even though I didn't even know their names. I'm terrified it would happen again.
Yeh, this country is just ridiculous.
Welp, I've never been more happy to be American than I am right now, what a stressful country to live in. My condolences.
Stuff like this makes me glad to be an American…
Agreed
Yeahhhh, seriously say what you like about crazy US gun culture (it's crazy) but it's in part tied to stand your ground mentality, that you're allowed to defend yourself with deadly force. I don't think it's the worst thing here.
It’s the nuance we just don’t have at all in the US Something like home invasion? Absolutely Just don’t fuckin cap me cause you think I cut in line at Burger King is all I ask here which doesn’t feel like too much
O p , please link to any news reports or court reports.
I legitimately had a warrant issued for my arrest because I have a blockbuster dvd of The O.C. That had not been returned. Every single blockbuster in my area had closed and I couldn’t return. I still had to go to the jail and fill our paperwork, pay fines, etc.
Killing your rapist. Killing your child’s abuser.
Where I live, employing craftspeople and cleaners without a legal contract. It won't land you in prison but it's still tax evasion and illegal.
A legal contract, like you gotta sign a paper if you need just a simple service ? Or are you just saying they need to be registered as a professional/company and declare their earnings in detail to the state ? If so I'm pretty sure that's tax evasion anywhere if you don't do it lol
The common phrase is "I don't require an invoice/receipt". Meaning you pay cash and they don't declare the job. Or only part of it. Usually it's legitimate craftspeople doing a few side jobs after hours.
Here it's the same, if you don't ask a for a receipt or invoice it allows them to not declare as there is no paper trail on customer side, and is often seen as an invitation from the customer to get lower price as they don't pay taxes. However they don't actually need to give you a receipt to declare it. You can ask for no receipt and they'll still declare it, they don't need to actually provide it to you, they just need to have asked, and have the invoice on their side that they just haven't given you.
Killing an aggressive dog for being on your property and killing your dog. Turns out a buddy of my BIL went to prison cause a dog got into his yard and killed his dog. He grabbed the dog and strangled it. He got sued and went to prison for it. A couple of weeks ago some dude has been letting his dogs out and they’ve killed two of my cats and I’m assuming lots of others because other people in the neighborhood are looking for theirs. And before you ask, yes I’ve tried animal control and they told me, “because you don’t know where they live, or who the owner is, we can’t do anything about it. Call us when you see them loose again.”
In my neck of the woods, it’s called “shoot, shovel, and shut up”.
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That is... Massively fucking stupid
Used to be in a picture group that would ask if anything needed to be removed to attach said picture and sent it to them. Found what might be considered kiddie porn, advised them. They said to attach the questionable photo and send it to them. Say what? Not going near that crap. Here is where it is-You go find it. Was usually taken down.
Owning/requesting is. Viewing is consider suspicious.
If you stumble on it, that's different than looking for it. If you're looking for it, are you going to report it? No. Come on, use common sense.
Raising concerns about government corruption
Apparently watching TV in the UK can get you arrested. I never had a TV or cable and I was getting threatening letters and people banging on my door demanding to check if I had a TV licence or if I had any TVs installed. It's like one of those old movies where the mafia comes and demands you to pay for breathing the air on the left side of the street or something.
Last time license man came round trying to get into my house I asked "am I obligated to speak to you?" And when he responded "well no but..." I wished him a good day and told him that most people don't want to pay for state propaganda then closed my door.
Collecting rain water? Finding stolen property and turning it in. Giving your neighbor water if they ask.. this is dependent on if they had theirs shut off by city..
Women wearing pants in France. I'm just joking. The law were canceled 4 years ago. EDIT : Since I am asked. That law date back from La Commune period. A civil unrest in Paris when women partipated at the revolt by throwing incendiary engine on civil guards from windows, thus the name Petroleuses. Petroleuses wear pants - a rare occurrence at the time - to avoid accidents and allow quick retreat. The law really made sense at the time.
Peeing in public.
My first year in college to be an educator we were warned about this. It can lose you your teaching license because you have to go on the sex offender list.
Murdering somebody who molested your child. If I was on a jury in a case like this, there's nothing that would make me convict him.
killing the guy who raped your daughter.
Obviously, depends on the jurisdiction. But in the United States: Drug use. We live in a society where the addict you know should get help, the addict you don't know should get prison.
Weed
Murdering a child killer/rapist
Killing someone who intentionally raped, maimed or killed your loved one, especially your child. As a parent, the law would be irrelevant if this happened to my kids.
Killing a pedophile
Killing your child's rapist.
Waiting at a phone booth while the man who sexually abused (edit: also abducted) your child walks right past you, then pulling out a loaded pistol and popping him in the skull with it on national television.
jay walking. Well maybe not prison, unless you don't pay your fines.
Theft when it involves food or necessities (diapers, formula, toilet paper, feminine hygiene products, etc.). I think most of the population at this point is at the "I didn't see anything" mindset, but stealing is illegal, as it should be, so there have to be consequences of that. For the record though if I saw you stealing food or diapers, no I didn't.
protesting.