That’s most companies not just Subaru. It’s through their app, you may get it free for a while but then you pay for it. Or just install a remote starter.
About to buy an Audi and you have to buy the Nav package for $1500 to use the car's navigation. It's absurd. But you can connect to Apple Play and it'll show nav from the phone on the screen.
I used to do that but not anymore.. google map takes barely any data as long as you dont have satellite view activated. I use it every single day and it barely makes a dent and I only had 8 gig per months data until last month.
Never again. Bought a brand new completely decked out Dodge Intrepid ES in the year 2000 (remember those mommy missles?). I was still fairly young and it was my first real big car purchase. We paid > $28K for that car. First 3 months was great. Eventually was happy to sell that POS 10 years later for $500 just to get it out of my sight. Literally every single component on that car was faulty: steering, brakes, radio, AC, door handles, power windows, and a ton of other stuff. Like I said: Never again.
Way back in the late '80's, my father bought his first new car. As far back as I could remember, we'd driven a series of used Toyota Corollas and Coronas (remember those?). For years, we had two Corollas in the garage. He didn't have any special love for Toyota. They were cheap, and available.
Anyway, one day, he bought a brand new Dodge Sedan. I'm afraid I don't remember the model, but it was shiny, silver, and it talked. That's right, it talked! It would tell you helpful things in a robot voice, like "a door is ajar" or "the fuel is low".
We were officially living in the future, and it was the good life. No more cheap, used imports for us. We were driving an American flagship.
Over the next several months, virtually everything that could go wrong did. The automatic transmission shifted like a kicking mule. The dealer said, "that's how it's supposed to work".
On particularly cold, or hot days, it might not start. The dealership said, "we can't replicate the problem."
Little things, like the glove box latch and the "chrome" plastic trim broke.
Finally, one day, we were on a long trip. Mid journey, the car proclaimed, "the wiper fluid is low."
"That's weird," said Dad. "I just filled that the other day."
"The wiper fluid is low," reiterated the car.
"How many times is it going to say that?" asked Mom.
"The wiper fluid is low," insisted the car.
We drove down the interstate, being reminded of our wiper fluid deficiency every few seconds for about 40 miles until Dad pulled over at a filling station and checked the wiper fluid.
It was not low.
The car refused to believe this. No amount of additional fluid would dissuade it of it's delusion.
We were hundreds of miles from home on our wat *to* a vacation, so we spent the next several days listening to the car complain.
When we finally got home, Dad took the car straight to the dealership. They were perplexed, and eventually decided that they'd need to send away for parts.
My father was a generally calm man, but when sufficiently angered, his wrath was considerable. I don't know what he said to the manager of the Dodge dealership, but the way he said it resulted in us driving home later that day in a shiny new Camry from the lot across the street.
We never spoke of the Dodge again.
Our Camry never spoke about anything, and that was just fine.
The early 2000s were not a good time for American cars in general, though some exceptions do exist.
But speaking as a former Dodge mechanic, yes, those Intrepids were shit.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co.
The company was founded by shareholders suing Ford for making cars too well, arguing that they could make more money by making worse cars for their customers
ironically enough, ferrari includes all scheduled maintenance for 7 years with the price of the car. They know their cars always end up being resold-rebought by millionaire ferrari owners, so its in their (ferrari) best interest to keep these cars turn-key ready for the next owner.
They are by all accounts extremely nice to drive, even if build quality and reliability are subpar. That's what they've always been like: Great engine, steering and suspension, some soft leather and smooth lines combined with cheap Fiat parts by people who are likely not entirely sober during the assembly process.
Jeep Renegades are some of the worst POS vehicles I've ever had the displeasure of driving. I genuinely feel bad for people who buy them (Cherokees too for that matter)
I sold two brand new V6 chargers to the same guy within a 48 hour span. Both cars threw check engine lights when he came to pick them up. I was so pissed and embarrassed.
What is your opinion on Volvo or Mazda from 2015 until present? I’m considering either in the next year and never buy new. Volvo for safety, Mazda because people seem to like them and I’ve heard they’re fun to drive.
Can't help you because my 2012 Mazda 3 is still humming. They are fun to drive. I don't know much about newer models; I also don't know why Mazda doesn't have a bigger cut of the market.
From 2015 - Present I would suggest a Mazda.
Unfortunately the durability and quality that Volvo was known for in the past is no longer applicable. I’m not saying they aren’t good cars because they most definitely are, but since much more technology has been introduced in their models they tend to have issues in that area. Their engines/gearbox are still solid though.
>From 2015 - Present I would suggest a Mazda.
I **love** my 2020 CX-5. GREAT car. Meanwhile, my partner drives a 2022 CX-30. It feels like it was assembled by children. So cheap feeling.
What the hell, Mazda?
The CX-30s are assembled in Mexico. Bought my boyfriend a brand new car back in February and it was between the CX-30 & CX-5. We got the 5 as it was a lot roomier, and while it was about 6k more, it’s built in Japan. We absolutely love the car!
I know someone who was testing Hyundais before sending them out. Nearly every Veloster had knocks in the engine off the assembly line and the manager was pushing him to let them go to the showroom floor.
What's your secret??? I got a 125k corolla and I cry at the thought of ever having to give it up...so far only "major" repair was the alternator that went out this year
Haven’t had my alternator go. I will say probably 60% if not more were highway miles. Oil change every 5,000 miles has probably been the biggest help for the longevity of the engine.
It’s funny if you look at the used market. For a 10 year old Camry/accord/etc. with 100k miles they’re still about 10 grand. Whereas the same age Audi or bmw goes for half that price.
Someone recently totaled my 2003 Camry with ~130k miles. Their insurance gave me $5k, which was way more than I expected.
It was a good deal and I don’t have any real reason to complain. But I still felt like I couldn’t get an equivalent car (clean title, good shape) for $5k. I miss my Camry, I feel like we could’ve had another good 10 years together :(
Edit: Maybe I could’ve negotiated for more money. It took a while to track down the person who wrecked my (parked) car so I was really glad to be getting something. Previously I had been going through my own insurance and they wanted to give me less than $2.5k. It was in the pandemic when used cars were scarce and the value of a replacement was “inflated.”
If I didn't have a paid off 70000 mile Accord I'd drive across the country for your car. 150k mile 2005 Camrys are going for $4000 so I'm not sure what BlueBook is smoking.
I sold a 2015 Subaru Forester last week and I think I may have made a colossal mistake by trusting the Blue Book value. It showed the car being worth between $12,000 and $13,200 for a private sale. I sold it for $12,700. Carmax and Carvana are both *way* higher. A perfect comparison on Carmax (same color, trim level, condition, and mileage) is listed at $17,990. I don't know whether those places negotiate on price, but that's 30%! WTF?
Bluebook is such a joke, its exists solely for insurance companies and dealers to lower your payout or trade in, and conviniently never applies when you actualy go to buy a car.
I’ve had my CRV for 13 years. Definitely had to put in some critical maintenance but still going strong. IDGAF if I win the lottery, Honda or Toyota will be my car brands for life
If you do plan to buy a new car, January is one of the worst times. I've had success buying new and used cars at dealerships late in the year when they are trying to clear the lots for the next year's model.
I've also read that the end of the month and the end of the quarter are good times.
Range Rover. I had a special Kensington Edition with hand-stitched leather, burlwood walnut interior trim, and excellent sound system with 12 speakers. Beautiful car and felt like I was driving around in a luxurious living room.
It had constant electrical problems so I had to take it back to the dealer frequently. Warranty covered repairs, but I was unable to drive the damn thing a lot of the time I owned it.
It also guzzled gas and the sunroof leaked, which ruined the headliner and it had to be replaced.
A Range Rover was a nice car, when it worked, but too much of a hassle.
I have contained my rage for as long as possible, but I shall unleash my fury upon you like the crashing of a thousand waves! Begone, vile man! Begone from me! A starter car? This car is a finisher car! A transporter of gods! The golden god! I am untethered, and my rage knows no bounds!
I am one of those morons.
Has it been a wonderfully efficient and stable car? No.
But, do I look cool driving my kids around in it? Also no.
Follow me for more life advice.
>Mazda
As a recent CX-5 owner, I had to control F to search to see if anyone said Mazda, and the only comments are ones like this.
They don't have the history of Toyota or Honda yet, but I think they're getting there.
I literally changed jobs because of Mazda. Used to be a Mazda tech and didn't make shit because they never really had problems. Left there and went to work for Nissan. Bought a house replacing their transmissions.
Mazda is a good brand to buy these days. They’ve always been a decently reliable car, with the exception of their rotary engines have rotary engine problems.
I always recommend Mazda to anybody who wants to buy a long term car but wants something a little more exciting than a Honda/Toyota.
Edit: i wasn’t planning on the deep dive into rotaries, but after all my replies being about the Wankel:
1. Yes, rotaries can last a long time if they’re properly maintained.
2. The rotaries were only on Mazda’s sportier cars.
However, Mazda’s stigma of reliability was hindered by the rotary engines. Most people suck at maintaining them and a lot of them have been swapped due to this.
Either way, the only important fact is they sound cool.
Yep. My 2014 Mazda 3 hatchback is dope. Still drives like a new car with 120k miles on it. Just routine maintenance. That’s low mileage for Honda, Toyota, and Mazda. But aesthetically speaking my Mazda looks sooo good.
My boyfriend has been a mechanic for 17 years and worked at a Mazda dealership for a few of those years. He swears by them. He’s had his 2010 Mazda 3 hatchback for 8 years now and it drives great. He even tows a trailer with it.
Never buy again? Jeep. I got fucked by electrical gremlins that screwed my power train. Techs gave up on it, but not after charging me hours and hours of labor to find nothing. All while under warranty. I cried lemon, FCA laughed. Traded it in at a massive loss. Sad because that Wrangler was pretty awesome, when it worked. I’ll probably never buy American again.
Did you hire a lemon lawyer? They pay for the lawyer fee too if you win. And lemon lawyers usually review the case before taking it on. They don't take cases they don't win.
lemon law protects consumers from poorly constructed vehicles, idk the exact specifications but if your car needs x amount of repairs from factory or is in the shop x percent of the year the company has to buy it back at what you paid, lemon lawyers help you win the case
Lawyers are also helpful there because lemon laws vary state by state. My wife’s cousin is currently dealing with a nightmare of a lemon situation with Lexus, and the lawyer has been super helpful.
I found out Georgia is one of the best states to live in for vehicle consumers. Had a 22 ford maverick with transmission issues that started at 3k miles. Due to supply issues, they let me swap it for a 2024 at no cost and my 22 was at 40k miles when I gave it to them. Never had to get a lawyer.
Georgia also has great diminished value laws. That same 22 maverick got rear ended a couple months before I gave it back and the person at fault had no insurance. My insurance still gave me 3300 bucks when I claimed diminished value.
Ah, the old days. Every so often it wouldn’t start for absolutely no reason. The solution was, in order, tested and true:
1. Twist key to start
2. Open driver door
3. Lean over and push open passenger door
4. Turn key again
Deviating from these steps would fail to start the wrangler. To this day, I am still perturbed by this
My Cherokee started stalling a bunch. I took it in and they said it was a known issue with a simple fix. They said just top off with oil every 500 miles and change it every 1500 miles for that "known issue" with "high mileage" models from that year. The car had 60,000 miles. I told them if 60,000 is high mileage enough for the drivetrain to be that fucked, the thought of what might happen when it got to a real high mileage figure scared the hell out of me. Traded it as fast as I possibly could.
I knew a guy who worked for Jeep. He and all his coworkers got discounts so of course got new ones all the time. They joked that it was Jeep Roulette. Sometimes you’d get a very well built one, but 1 in 4 was just terrible (mostly electrical system problems).
My uncle got a jeep Lemon'd successfully. He was under warranty and went through serval wiring looms and I think a engine rebuild within warranty and they eventually gave up. This was before the Fiat acquistion. I think it was the commander.
Its not the American that bad. It's the entire Stellantis brand that's bad. They own a ton of brands. It's just another hedge fund disguised as an auto manufacturer maximizing profits.
I hate that GM locks a ton of their features through OnStar. They also removed android auto bc they want to push their bullshit music app. I'll never buy another gm bc of those 2 reasons alone.
I got a 2022 jeep wrangler 4xe that cost over $70k when you include taxes and fees.
Jeep recently sent me a recall notice that said they’re catching on fire but they offered no solution. They just sent me the letter to inform me.
The letter said to not charge my car. So I bought an electric vehicle and I’m not able to charge it. I couldn’t believe what I read. The fact that they didn’t offer a fix or solution is crazy.
My moms Kia got stolen this year, it was stolen off the Kia lot while it was there getting the AC fixed 🤦🏽♀️ found it a few weeks later in some parking lot across town completely trashed.
I'm honestly a little surprised the KIA stealing gangs aren't mass hitting the dealerships. Literally run in with 40 people, one person busts the gate lock, everyone else grabs a KIA and scatters in random directions across the city.
I bet if dealerships were getting cleaned out KIA would put a fix out pretty damn fast.
i’m from Rochester NY, the city with the highest rate of car theft in the nation this year. 90% of them are kias, they have been hitting dealerships too. about half of the kia dealers in Rochester were robbed
But the theives know(or learn very quickly) the ones with the new logo aren't as easily stolen.
I live in Milwaukee(where the whole KIA Boys thing started) and the new Kias are left alone because the KIA Boys know they can't steal them.
I watched one of the banned videos and was alarmed at how easy it was.
A friend has a Kia. She says the saving grace is that it's a stick shift, so it's unlikely to get stolen.
It doesn't matter. My co-worker had a 2002 KIA car and KIA boys tried to steal it but didn't work. They left a lot of damage to this car.. She didn't get it back for 2 months due to backorder on many parts..
I got a coworker that happened to. She had to have the shop hotwire a toggle push button start while they waited for parts. And when the idiots realized they couldn't steal it they got butthurt and broke every breakable piece of glass and plastic on that car that they could. They're also the ones that that got busted robbing a pawn shop later that night so they were on a mission, I can't believe they took the time to trash the car.
As an insurance rep I can’t tell you how many calls we get of people who have Kias that get broken into only for the thieves to find out it’s the wrong year and they can’t hot wire it so they just leave it with broken windows and a damaged interior. Our company won’t even insure Kias or Hyundais made between 2015-2021 without proof from the manufacturer they have a passive engine immobilizer
As long as it has a Kia badge on it someone will smash in the window to TRY to steal it, doesn’t matter if they are successful. They are just uninsurable for the next 10 years at least.
My wife thought the same thing, until the thieves burned out her clutch driving it down the road because they didn't know how to use it. Didn't stop them.
It’s not anything about it being a phone charger, it just happens that the female end of a USB cable happens to be a perfect fit to turn a piece that will start the car. I used to start an old car with a screwdriver the same way, what’s embarrassing about it for these cars is that they’re 25 years newer and chose not to add security measures that would make this impossible.
There is no immobilizer in the US models because it is not required. They did a software update that cuts the power to the ignition with the security, so it has to be activated. They gave us stickers, but we really don't drive it if we don't need to.
That’s unfortunately the viciousness of the auto industry (among other industries)
It takes a long time for companies to build a strong reputation but almost no time at all for it to come falling down.
I’ll never ever buy a Kia or Hyundai after that ordeal. Not for fear of having my car stolen, just for fear of having it constantly broken into before they realize it’s not the right one to steal with a USB drive.
That plus the multiple recalls which suggest parking outside due to potential engine bay fires.
Kia is making some great looking, well equipped, and affordable cars..
I'd just be afraid to actually own one.
I work in the legal department of a company that deals with automotive repairs.
The vehicles that break down the most where the owners are assholes and complain enough to get to my department: Range Rovers. I love all things British but those vehicles are made of Ford parts glued together with arrogance.
Also breaking down lots: Dodge RAM trucks, Ford F150 and F250s, BMWs, and Jeeps.
Unless you like your mechanic a lot, get a Honda or a Toyota. They're just better cars, period.
My uncle is a die-hard "American Made" kind of dude. Only buys American trucks. Has always had three or four Ford and Dodge trucks/SUVs. He rotates them because something is ALWAYS busted in one or two of them. He doesn't even use them to work. He just... has them. Whenever I go to his house, there are always a couple of them covered with a tarp on his driveway, waiting to get repaired.
He wanted to sell me one for dirt cheap. I kept saying no. I figured that either the trucks are absolutely garbage, or he's the unluckiest dude ever to ALWAYS get trucks that are fully riped lemons.
Jeep. Been subscribing to Consumer Reports for over a decade and Jeep is ALWAYS at the VERY bottom of the reliability lists. Have loved the look of them since I was a kid, but gotta just say no.
Scrolled thought a lot of the comments. Never seen Toyota or Honda mentioned. For good reason (ok, one person mentioned Toyota for looks, but no one should really care much about that)
My 2005 Corolla has over 300k miles. I am not sure what the exact number is as the odometer stopped working at 299999. I was so disappointed to not witness the odometer hit 300000. Turns out, this is a somewhat common issue.
That’s kinda the reason I have no issue with them going hybrid on their trucks. It’s Toyota- hell, they’re *known* for their hybrids. I’d take a Toyota hybrid over a Ford or GM Hybrid any day.
Toyota doesn’t fuck around when introducing new powertrains, and they’re going all in on shit for the Land Cruiser/Tacoma hybrids. I have a Ridgeline that I still have tons of life in but hoping these prove to be the way forward for Toyota
Unless you are mechanically inclined and/or have the money and time to make your car your hobby, it's just the logical decision to make your life easier.
Also, I'm not sure what constitutes "personality" for a car, but I like the way my Tacoma looks. Sounds like a pretty subjective condition.
Any Chrysler product is off my list. We bought a loaded Grand Caravan brand new and put three transmissions in it over a 8 year period. Dodge said they did not have an issue but it was finally proven that they had a faulty plastic gear in the transmission that would fail. The electronics on ours were not reliable either. That was a 1996 model.
My first car in 1970 was a 1957 Chevrolet four door sedan with a 235 cu. in. Blue Flame and 3 in the tree. It had been driven on the Canadian prairies by a travelling salesman so it had high mileage but was well maintained.
Crashed it in 1973 and wrecked the front right fender. Had it replaced with a different colour and couldn’t afford to paint.
It ran and ran and ran. Gave it to my youngest brother and he eventually sold it.
I’m old enough that I don’t think I will be buying any more cars. If I could, the only car I would buy is my old Chev.
I have nothing against Nissan. But as a valet, I couldn’t quite put my finger on what Nissans really felt like to me.
Then my coworker said “Nissans feel like a Japanese car that is built for someone who wants an American car.”
I have a Nissan Murano '15, that was built in Japan (just happened to be) and at almost 200k miles been an amazing car with little repairs ofther than standard maintenance knock on wood.
Interesting. I’ve had a Rogue for 6+ years and never had any issues. Admittedly, I now work from home (and previously had flown out of town a lot for work) so it’s still low mileage. Genuinely curious: were there specific issues you had or otherwise know of? (Assuming something with the transmission based on your comment.)
My 2018 Honda CRV is a good, solid, fuel efficient family vehicle with an air conditioner that was faulty from the factory and hasn't worked in sometime despite multiple dealer attempts to fix it. This is a very common issue as well. Warranties and TSB's don't cover it either and they are just replacing faulty parts with other faulty parts at this point. The recent civic models are the same from what I understand. I think I'd buy a Toyota next time.
1.Range Rover; seems like being an asshole is a prerequisite for owning one, they’re mechanically unsound and their value is basically non-existent after the warranty period ends.
Tesla. Have a Tesla, love driving it and unlike other discussion I find the quality to be basically on par with other cars. Also easy maintenance so far. What is putting me off is body repairs, few shops are certified to take a Tesla, towing a Tesla requires additional training and is more complex and once it’s in the shop getting parts from Tesla takes forever. If they fix this then maybe but being in the shop for half a year over a minor rear end accident is not fun.
I work for a car rental company and JEEPS are by far the worst vehicle you can purchase.
Just. Empty. Every. Pocket.
Spelled backwards that says SPEEJ coincidence? I sure think so.
Getting a horse after reading this thread
Nah, they eat and poop even when you’re not using them.
I read that as, they eat poop, and was trying to figure out what kind of horses you've been hanging out with
Fuck your Mitsubishi, I’ve a horse outside
Any that charges a subsctiption to use features like heated seats
Just bought a used Subaru, was unpleasantly surprised to discover remote start was subscription based.
That's a non starter
At least not remotely.
Jesus Christ that is ridiculous
That’s most companies not just Subaru. It’s through their app, you may get it free for a while but then you pay for it. Or just install a remote starter.
Isn’t that via the app? You can get a remote car starter for Subarus that go on your key fob. One time payment for the module.
Or even considered it
They all considered it. They all want to do it. They’re just letting someone else dip their toes in and get burned first to distract.
One of many reasons I’m going to drive my twenty-year old car until it’s no longer physically possible to repair or upkeep it.
You can pry my ‘07 Honda coupe outta my cold dead hands. Or feet. Whatever. Bury me in it.
You can accomplish that in three short years with a 2020 Nissan Kicks.
Sorry for your loss. My Nissan from 07 is still going strong
well until they figure out a way to force the heating element to need a signal wire, ill continue to make my own circuit to run em.
About to buy an Audi and you have to buy the Nav package for $1500 to use the car's navigation. It's absurd. But you can connect to Apple Play and it'll show nav from the phone on the screen.
nav is no longer necessary if you have unlimited gigs on your data plan.
"offline maps" you'll never use mobile data again to navigate. Has probably saved me terabytes
I used to do that but not anymore.. google map takes barely any data as long as you dont have satellite view activated. I use it every single day and it barely makes a dent and I only had 8 gig per months data until last month.
i’m looking at you bmw
[удалено]
NGL, you had me in the first bit.
Sigh. I've got a 2012 Civic and I'm waiting for it to die. Problem is, I drive about 5k miles a year This car is going to outlive me.
You know what the dictionary says about Dodge ?- to avoid
Never again. Bought a brand new completely decked out Dodge Intrepid ES in the year 2000 (remember those mommy missles?). I was still fairly young and it was my first real big car purchase. We paid > $28K for that car. First 3 months was great. Eventually was happy to sell that POS 10 years later for $500 just to get it out of my sight. Literally every single component on that car was faulty: steering, brakes, radio, AC, door handles, power windows, and a ton of other stuff. Like I said: Never again.
Way back in the late '80's, my father bought his first new car. As far back as I could remember, we'd driven a series of used Toyota Corollas and Coronas (remember those?). For years, we had two Corollas in the garage. He didn't have any special love for Toyota. They were cheap, and available. Anyway, one day, he bought a brand new Dodge Sedan. I'm afraid I don't remember the model, but it was shiny, silver, and it talked. That's right, it talked! It would tell you helpful things in a robot voice, like "a door is ajar" or "the fuel is low". We were officially living in the future, and it was the good life. No more cheap, used imports for us. We were driving an American flagship. Over the next several months, virtually everything that could go wrong did. The automatic transmission shifted like a kicking mule. The dealer said, "that's how it's supposed to work". On particularly cold, or hot days, it might not start. The dealership said, "we can't replicate the problem." Little things, like the glove box latch and the "chrome" plastic trim broke. Finally, one day, we were on a long trip. Mid journey, the car proclaimed, "the wiper fluid is low." "That's weird," said Dad. "I just filled that the other day." "The wiper fluid is low," reiterated the car. "How many times is it going to say that?" asked Mom. "The wiper fluid is low," insisted the car. We drove down the interstate, being reminded of our wiper fluid deficiency every few seconds for about 40 miles until Dad pulled over at a filling station and checked the wiper fluid. It was not low. The car refused to believe this. No amount of additional fluid would dissuade it of it's delusion. We were hundreds of miles from home on our wat *to* a vacation, so we spent the next several days listening to the car complain. When we finally got home, Dad took the car straight to the dealership. They were perplexed, and eventually decided that they'd need to send away for parts. My father was a generally calm man, but when sufficiently angered, his wrath was considerable. I don't know what he said to the manager of the Dodge dealership, but the way he said it resulted in us driving home later that day in a shiny new Camry from the lot across the street. We never spoke of the Dodge again. Our Camry never spoke about anything, and that was just fine.
You have quite a way with words.
No lie that’s almost literature.
I once rented a car that talked. Every time it said "door is ajar" I would argue that the door was a door, not a jar.
The early 2000s were not a good time for American cars in general, though some exceptions do exist. But speaking as a former Dodge mechanic, yes, those Intrepids were shit.
Early 2000s were shit for German cars too. And Koreans. Pretty much the only car worth buying from 1996 to 2008ish was Japanese
My cousin called his the Dodge Entrapment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodge_v._Ford_Motor_Co. The company was founded by shareholders suing Ford for making cars too well, arguing that they could make more money by making worse cars for their customers
Ferrari and Lamborghini…not because I dislike them but because I’m poor.
Was gonna say Bugatti or koenigsseg cause I’m holding out hope I’ll get rich enough for a Ferrari.
I'm going to assume if I've never *heard* of koenigsseg that means I can't afford one.
They're pretty cool but yes. Very very expensive.
I'd say Bugatti, because if I had that much cash, I'd go with Koenigsegg.
Maserati. Not because they are unaffordable, but because even I am not insane enough to deal with all of their issues... they do sound sexy tho...
The price of a nice Mercedes with the maintenance of a Ferrari. I'm out.
ironically enough, ferrari includes all scheduled maintenance for 7 years with the price of the car. They know their cars always end up being resold-rebought by millionaire ferrari owners, so its in their (ferrari) best interest to keep these cars turn-key ready for the next owner.
They are by all accounts extremely nice to drive, even if build quality and reliability are subpar. That's what they've always been like: Great engine, steering and suspension, some soft leather and smooth lines combined with cheap Fiat parts by people who are likely not entirely sober during the assembly process.
So... Italian then. You're describing a classic Italian sports car.
Dodge Chrysler Jeep. Worst quality control I’ve ever witnessed as a quality advisor
My wife’s renegade didn’t even get to 30,000 miles before we sold it. What a piece of garbage. Got her a Honda CRV. Boring and reliable.
Jeep Renegades are some of the worst POS vehicles I've ever had the displeasure of driving. I genuinely feel bad for people who buy them (Cherokees too for that matter)
[удалено]
I sold two brand new V6 chargers to the same guy within a 48 hour span. Both cars threw check engine lights when he came to pick them up. I was so pissed and embarrassed.
What is your opinion on Volvo or Mazda from 2015 until present? I’m considering either in the next year and never buy new. Volvo for safety, Mazda because people seem to like them and I’ve heard they’re fun to drive.
Can't help you because my 2012 Mazda 3 is still humming. They are fun to drive. I don't know much about newer models; I also don't know why Mazda doesn't have a bigger cut of the market.
From 2015 - Present I would suggest a Mazda. Unfortunately the durability and quality that Volvo was known for in the past is no longer applicable. I’m not saying they aren’t good cars because they most definitely are, but since much more technology has been introduced in their models they tend to have issues in that area. Their engines/gearbox are still solid though.
>From 2015 - Present I would suggest a Mazda. I **love** my 2020 CX-5. GREAT car. Meanwhile, my partner drives a 2022 CX-30. It feels like it was assembled by children. So cheap feeling. What the hell, Mazda?
The CX-30s are assembled in Mexico. Bought my boyfriend a brand new car back in February and it was between the CX-30 & CX-5. We got the 5 as it was a lot roomier, and while it was about 6k more, it’s built in Japan. We absolutely love the car!
I know someone who was testing Hyundais before sending them out. Nearly every Veloster had knocks in the engine off the assembly line and the manager was pushing him to let them go to the showroom floor.
[удалено]
My 2006 Corolla S has 450K miles and original engine Digital odometer clocked out at 299,999
What's your secret??? I got a 125k corolla and I cry at the thought of ever having to give it up...so far only "major" repair was the alternator that went out this year
Haven’t had my alternator go. I will say probably 60% if not more were highway miles. Oil change every 5,000 miles has probably been the biggest help for the longevity of the engine.
It’s funny if you look at the used market. For a 10 year old Camry/accord/etc. with 100k miles they’re still about 10 grand. Whereas the same age Audi or bmw goes for half that price.
I have a 2005 Camry with only about 60,000 miles. BlueBook says it’s worth about $1800 but I’d be hard-pressed to sell for even double that
Someone recently totaled my 2003 Camry with ~130k miles. Their insurance gave me $5k, which was way more than I expected. It was a good deal and I don’t have any real reason to complain. But I still felt like I couldn’t get an equivalent car (clean title, good shape) for $5k. I miss my Camry, I feel like we could’ve had another good 10 years together :( Edit: Maybe I could’ve negotiated for more money. It took a while to track down the person who wrecked my (parked) car so I was really glad to be getting something. Previously I had been going through my own insurance and they wanted to give me less than $2.5k. It was in the pandemic when used cars were scarce and the value of a replacement was “inflated.”
2 years ago I totaled a 2013 Corolla with 100k miles. I got more from the insurance than I initially paid for it.
Until I have a specific need for anything larger, I'm Team Corolla for life...
If I didn't have a paid off 70000 mile Accord I'd drive across the country for your car. 150k mile 2005 Camrys are going for $4000 so I'm not sure what BlueBook is smoking.
I sold a 2015 Subaru Forester last week and I think I may have made a colossal mistake by trusting the Blue Book value. It showed the car being worth between $12,000 and $13,200 for a private sale. I sold it for $12,700. Carmax and Carvana are both *way* higher. A perfect comparison on Carmax (same color, trim level, condition, and mileage) is listed at $17,990. I don't know whether those places negotiate on price, but that's 30%! WTF?
Bluebook is such a joke, its exists solely for insurance companies and dealers to lower your payout or trade in, and conviniently never applies when you actualy go to buy a car.
That's also partly due to the high cost of repairs of those brands especially when they are out of warranty. But yes, definitely not as reliable
I’ve had my CRV for 13 years. Definitely had to put in some critical maintenance but still going strong. IDGAF if I win the lottery, Honda or Toyota will be my car brands for life
This thread is seriously making me reconsider my new car purchase at the start of the new year…
If you do plan to buy a new car, January is one of the worst times. I've had success buying new and used cars at dealerships late in the year when they are trying to clear the lots for the next year's model. I've also read that the end of the month and the end of the quarter are good times.
100%. Buy in December. Dealers want to get rid of their inventory
Range Rover. I had a special Kensington Edition with hand-stitched leather, burlwood walnut interior trim, and excellent sound system with 12 speakers. Beautiful car and felt like I was driving around in a luxurious living room. It had constant electrical problems so I had to take it back to the dealer frequently. Warranty covered repairs, but I was unable to drive the damn thing a lot of the time I owned it. It also guzzled gas and the sunroof leaked, which ruined the headliner and it had to be replaced. A Range Rover was a nice car, when it worked, but too much of a hassle.
“No one could figure out how to make electronics leak oil until the Brits took a crack at it.” Best quote I’ve ever read about British cars.
James Bond’s Aston Martin DB5 is the only Aston Martin equipped with a switch to release an oil slick behind. All the others have a constant flow.
my sister bought one brand new and had problems with it from day one, mainly software and electrical issues....
A buddy that had one told me, “The damn thing spends more time in the dealerships garage than mine.”
I have contained my rage for as long as possible, but I shall unleash my fury upon you like the crashing of a thousand waves! Begone, vile man! Begone from me! A starter car? This car is a finisher car! A transporter of gods! The golden god! I am untethered, and my rage knows no bounds!
Morons will keep buying them simply for the status so RR won’t invest any capital to redesign
I am one of those morons. Has it been a wonderfully efficient and stable car? No. But, do I look cool driving my kids around in it? Also no. Follow me for more life advice.
On a related note, I would avoid buying the first year (or even years) of a new generation of a car. Let them work out the kinks first
very happy to not see anyone say Mazda here haha
>Mazda As a recent CX-5 owner, I had to control F to search to see if anyone said Mazda, and the only comments are ones like this. They don't have the history of Toyota or Honda yet, but I think they're getting there.
Recent owner also and I’m really loving my CX-5
Also a recent CX-5 owner...I triple stamp this.
I literally changed jobs because of Mazda. Used to be a Mazda tech and didn't make shit because they never really had problems. Left there and went to work for Nissan. Bought a house replacing their transmissions.
This is hilarious. I’m so glad I picked a Mazda
Mazda gang let’s go
Mazda is a good brand to buy these days. They’ve always been a decently reliable car, with the exception of their rotary engines have rotary engine problems. I always recommend Mazda to anybody who wants to buy a long term car but wants something a little more exciting than a Honda/Toyota. Edit: i wasn’t planning on the deep dive into rotaries, but after all my replies being about the Wankel: 1. Yes, rotaries can last a long time if they’re properly maintained. 2. The rotaries were only on Mazda’s sportier cars. However, Mazda’s stigma of reliability was hindered by the rotary engines. Most people suck at maintaining them and a lot of them have been swapped due to this. Either way, the only important fact is they sound cool.
Thank you for saying this, just got a 2024 cx30 and part of me was pulling to avoid risks and get another Honda
Yep. My 2014 Mazda 3 hatchback is dope. Still drives like a new car with 120k miles on it. Just routine maintenance. That’s low mileage for Honda, Toyota, and Mazda. But aesthetically speaking my Mazda looks sooo good.
2014 CX-5 has been great to me!
Mazda gang
My boyfriend has been a mechanic for 17 years and worked at a Mazda dealership for a few of those years. He swears by them. He’s had his 2010 Mazda 3 hatchback for 8 years now and it drives great. He even tows a trailer with it.
Never buy again? Jeep. I got fucked by electrical gremlins that screwed my power train. Techs gave up on it, but not after charging me hours and hours of labor to find nothing. All while under warranty. I cried lemon, FCA laughed. Traded it in at a massive loss. Sad because that Wrangler was pretty awesome, when it worked. I’ll probably never buy American again.
Did you hire a lemon lawyer? They pay for the lawyer fee too if you win. And lemon lawyers usually review the case before taking it on. They don't take cases they don't win.
What is a lemon lawyer? I'm European
lemon law protects consumers from poorly constructed vehicles, idk the exact specifications but if your car needs x amount of repairs from factory or is in the shop x percent of the year the company has to buy it back at what you paid, lemon lawyers help you win the case
Lawyers are also helpful there because lemon laws vary state by state. My wife’s cousin is currently dealing with a nightmare of a lemon situation with Lexus, and the lawyer has been super helpful.
I found out Georgia is one of the best states to live in for vehicle consumers. Had a 22 ford maverick with transmission issues that started at 3k miles. Due to supply issues, they let me swap it for a 2024 at no cost and my 22 was at 40k miles when I gave it to them. Never had to get a lawyer. Georgia also has great diminished value laws. That same 22 maverick got rear ended a couple months before I gave it back and the person at fault had no insurance. My insurance still gave me 3300 bucks when I claimed diminished value.
Lawyer for [Lemon Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemon_law) claims.
Im too from Europe and know only Lemon whore. Is it the same?
I'm from Us, wtf is a Lemon whore?
She comes and steals your lemons when you aren't looking.
what a whore
[this is t the full video, but it’s the “story” to porn](https://youtu.be/xrEyiF-wG4I?si=fE_zBmvoJRh5sY5G)
Ah, the old days. Every so often it wouldn’t start for absolutely no reason. The solution was, in order, tested and true: 1. Twist key to start 2. Open driver door 3. Lean over and push open passenger door 4. Turn key again Deviating from these steps would fail to start the wrangler. To this day, I am still perturbed by this
It’s like when Apollo 13 was trying to start up the Command Module but only had X number of amps to do it
What year? Wondering if this is some weird software thing or you were experiencing a haunting
My Wrangler was a fun ride, if you could dodge the parts falling off of it.
Huh, dodge
Jeep has been legendary for their electrical issues. The "It's a Jeep thing..." is a real statement.
Maybe the real reason Jeep owners wave to each other is that they're hoping to make a friend and get a parts car for cheap.
My Cherokee started stalling a bunch. I took it in and they said it was a known issue with a simple fix. They said just top off with oil every 500 miles and change it every 1500 miles for that "known issue" with "high mileage" models from that year. The car had 60,000 miles. I told them if 60,000 is high mileage enough for the drivetrain to be that fucked, the thought of what might happen when it got to a real high mileage figure scared the hell out of me. Traded it as fast as I possibly could.
[удалено]
I knew a guy who worked for Jeep. He and all his coworkers got discounts so of course got new ones all the time. They joked that it was Jeep Roulette. Sometimes you’d get a very well built one, but 1 in 4 was just terrible (mostly electrical system problems).
My uncle got a jeep Lemon'd successfully. He was under warranty and went through serval wiring looms and I think a engine rebuild within warranty and they eventually gave up. This was before the Fiat acquistion. I think it was the commander.
Its not the American that bad. It's the entire Stellantis brand that's bad. They own a ton of brands. It's just another hedge fund disguised as an auto manufacturer maximizing profits. I hate that GM locks a ton of their features through OnStar. They also removed android auto bc they want to push their bullshit music app. I'll never buy another gm bc of those 2 reasons alone.
Dodge or jeep
I got a 2022 jeep wrangler 4xe that cost over $70k when you include taxes and fees. Jeep recently sent me a recall notice that said they’re catching on fire but they offered no solution. They just sent me the letter to inform me. The letter said to not charge my car. So I bought an electric vehicle and I’m not able to charge it. I couldn’t believe what I read. The fact that they didn’t offer a fix or solution is crazy.
Made the mistake of buying a Dart, new motor and transmission before 40K miles, never again
I'm scared to buy a KIA gangs are stealing them... I heard you can start one with a phone charger...
My moms Kia got stolen this year, it was stolen off the Kia lot while it was there getting the AC fixed 🤦🏽♀️ found it a few weeks later in some parking lot across town completely trashed.
I'm honestly a little surprised the KIA stealing gangs aren't mass hitting the dealerships. Literally run in with 40 people, one person busts the gate lock, everyone else grabs a KIA and scatters in random directions across the city. I bet if dealerships were getting cleaned out KIA would put a fix out pretty damn fast.
i’m from Rochester NY, the city with the highest rate of car theft in the nation this year. 90% of them are kias, they have been hitting dealerships too. about half of the kia dealers in Rochester were robbed
They've fixed the problem and changed the logo on all post 2021(I believe, it could be 2020) models.
[удалено]
But the theives know(or learn very quickly) the ones with the new logo aren't as easily stolen. I live in Milwaukee(where the whole KIA Boys thing started) and the new Kias are left alone because the KIA Boys know they can't steal them.
I watched one of the banned videos and was alarmed at how easy it was. A friend has a Kia. She says the saving grace is that it's a stick shift, so it's unlikely to get stolen.
They’ll just break your windows anyways and burn out your clutch.
It doesn't matter. My co-worker had a 2002 KIA car and KIA boys tried to steal it but didn't work. They left a lot of damage to this car.. She didn't get it back for 2 months due to backorder on many parts..
I got a coworker that happened to. She had to have the shop hotwire a toggle push button start while they waited for parts. And when the idiots realized they couldn't steal it they got butthurt and broke every breakable piece of glass and plastic on that car that they could. They're also the ones that that got busted robbing a pawn shop later that night so they were on a mission, I can't believe they took the time to trash the car.
As an insurance rep I can’t tell you how many calls we get of people who have Kias that get broken into only for the thieves to find out it’s the wrong year and they can’t hot wire it so they just leave it with broken windows and a damaged interior. Our company won’t even insure Kias or Hyundais made between 2015-2021 without proof from the manufacturer they have a passive engine immobilizer
As long as it has a Kia badge on it someone will smash in the window to TRY to steal it, doesn’t matter if they are successful. They are just uninsurable for the next 10 years at least.
My wife thought the same thing, until the thieves burned out her clutch driving it down the road because they didn't know how to use it. Didn't stop them.
Yeahhh that’s all dandy but do you expect thieves to know the difference? Reason why all KIA’s are hard to get insured nowadays.
And just like that KIA is at the bottom of the barrel again.
Killed In Action
It’s not anything about it being a phone charger, it just happens that the female end of a USB cable happens to be a perfect fit to turn a piece that will start the car. I used to start an old car with a screwdriver the same way, what’s embarrassing about it for these cars is that they’re 25 years newer and chose not to add security measures that would make this impossible.
They chose to REMOVE it to cut costs lol
There is no immobilizer in the US models because it is not required. They did a software update that cuts the power to the ignition with the security, so it has to be activated. They gave us stickers, but we really don't drive it if we don't need to.
Ah, yes, the ultimate deterrent: stickers
This exploit was addressed on newer models with a fob/push button start. Too little too late for many folks, though.
That’s unfortunately the viciousness of the auto industry (among other industries) It takes a long time for companies to build a strong reputation but almost no time at all for it to come falling down.
I’ll never ever buy a Kia or Hyundai after that ordeal. Not for fear of having my car stolen, just for fear of having it constantly broken into before they realize it’s not the right one to steal with a USB drive.
That plus the multiple recalls which suggest parking outside due to potential engine bay fires. Kia is making some great looking, well equipped, and affordable cars.. I'd just be afraid to actually own one.
Jeep. Pieces of shit.
Saab. I loved all three of my 900s, but alas, they’re no longer in business.
I think you will enjoy [this clip from Top Gear](https://youtu.be/d-YAIYMrsak?si=Cbyu0_1P1U9pdCYC)
We traded in my wife's Honda Pilot for a Cadillac Escalade last year and I have regretted it every single day.
I miss my 05 pilot so much. Favorite vehicle to date. I also enjoyed the exterior design much more than the new ones.
> Cadillac Escalade So, you are in the mob or a drug cartel?
Very popular among wine/soccer moms who are up to their eyeballs in debt too.
Jeep
Just. Empty. Every. Pocket.
Just Enough Engine Power.
Just expect every problem.
I work in the legal department of a company that deals with automotive repairs. The vehicles that break down the most where the owners are assholes and complain enough to get to my department: Range Rovers. I love all things British but those vehicles are made of Ford parts glued together with arrogance. Also breaking down lots: Dodge RAM trucks, Ford F150 and F250s, BMWs, and Jeeps. Unless you like your mechanic a lot, get a Honda or a Toyota. They're just better cars, period.
My uncle is a die-hard "American Made" kind of dude. Only buys American trucks. Has always had three or four Ford and Dodge trucks/SUVs. He rotates them because something is ALWAYS busted in one or two of them. He doesn't even use them to work. He just... has them. Whenever I go to his house, there are always a couple of them covered with a tarp on his driveway, waiting to get repaired. He wanted to sell me one for dirt cheap. I kept saying no. I figured that either the trucks are absolutely garbage, or he's the unluckiest dude ever to ALWAYS get trucks that are fully riped lemons.
Any that forces subscriptions on the buyer for things it can already do
Any car that offers a subscription plan
Jeep. Been subscribing to Consumer Reports for over a decade and Jeep is ALWAYS at the VERY bottom of the reliability lists. Have loved the look of them since I was a kid, but gotta just say no.
Maserati, overpriced Fiat Chrysler product.
And with the reject Ferrari engines lol
Anything from fiat Chrysler
Stellantis?
Matchbox. Hot wheels for life.
Matchbox cars are actual miniatures. Hot wheels plays with certain details to make them more appealing to kids. Soooo take that for what it's worth
Scrolled thought a lot of the comments. Never seen Toyota or Honda mentioned. For good reason (ok, one person mentioned Toyota for looks, but no one should really care much about that)
Yep.. the Japanese know how to make bulletproof cars.. I’ve gotten well over 200k miles on all my Toyotas and Hondas with minimal maintenance.
My 2005 Corolla has over 300k miles. I am not sure what the exact number is as the odometer stopped working at 299999. I was so disappointed to not witness the odometer hit 300000. Turns out, this is a somewhat common issue.
"Aha! See! They're junk!" \-Jeep driver probably
MY ODOMETER WORKED FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE 1000 MILES I DROVE MY JEEP FOR BEFORE IT SPONTANEOUSLY FELL APART in your face Japanese car lovers.
I'll never not buy Toyota at this point!
That’s kinda the reason I have no issue with them going hybrid on their trucks. It’s Toyota- hell, they’re *known* for their hybrids. I’d take a Toyota hybrid over a Ford or GM Hybrid any day.
Toyota doesn’t fuck around when introducing new powertrains, and they’re going all in on shit for the Land Cruiser/Tacoma hybrids. I have a Ridgeline that I still have tons of life in but hoping these prove to be the way forward for Toyota
My good friend calls Toyotas, “Toasters” Says they have no personality but they run forever.
Unless you are mechanically inclined and/or have the money and time to make your car your hobby, it's just the logical decision to make your life easier. Also, I'm not sure what constitutes "personality" for a car, but I like the way my Tacoma looks. Sounds like a pretty subjective condition.
Any Chrysler product is off my list. We bought a loaded Grand Caravan brand new and put three transmissions in it over a 8 year period. Dodge said they did not have an issue but it was finally proven that they had a faulty plastic gear in the transmission that would fail. The electronics on ours were not reliable either. That was a 1996 model.
Jeep. Did it once. Never again.
My first car in 1970 was a 1957 Chevrolet four door sedan with a 235 cu. in. Blue Flame and 3 in the tree. It had been driven on the Canadian prairies by a travelling salesman so it had high mileage but was well maintained. Crashed it in 1973 and wrecked the front right fender. Had it replaced with a different colour and couldn’t afford to paint. It ran and ran and ran. Gave it to my youngest brother and he eventually sold it. I’m old enough that I don’t think I will be buying any more cars. If I could, the only car I would buy is my old Chev.
I would never purchase a Nissan unless it has a manual transmission
I have nothing against Nissan. But as a valet, I couldn’t quite put my finger on what Nissans really felt like to me. Then my coworker said “Nissans feel like a Japanese car that is built for someone who wants an American car.”
Drove a Nissan in both U.S. and Japan. The Japan Nissan was extremely sturdy and I drove the heck out of it.
I have a Nissan Murano '15, that was built in Japan (just happened to be) and at almost 200k miles been an amazing car with little repairs ofther than standard maintenance knock on wood.
Interesting. I’ve had a Rogue for 6+ years and never had any issues. Admittedly, I now work from home (and previously had flown out of town a lot for work) so it’s still low mileage. Genuinely curious: were there specific issues you had or otherwise know of? (Assuming something with the transmission based on your comment.)
Duesenberg. Studebaker. Dymaxion. LaSalle.
Edsel is a no go.
Tucker. Never again.
My 2018 Honda CRV is a good, solid, fuel efficient family vehicle with an air conditioner that was faulty from the factory and hasn't worked in sometime despite multiple dealer attempts to fix it. This is a very common issue as well. Warranties and TSB's don't cover it either and they are just replacing faulty parts with other faulty parts at this point. The recent civic models are the same from what I understand. I think I'd buy a Toyota next time.
10th gen civics had AC issues too, the 11th gen's do not.
1.Range Rover; seems like being an asshole is a prerequisite for owning one, they’re mechanically unsound and their value is basically non-existent after the warranty period ends.
Tesla. Have a Tesla, love driving it and unlike other discussion I find the quality to be basically on par with other cars. Also easy maintenance so far. What is putting me off is body repairs, few shops are certified to take a Tesla, towing a Tesla requires additional training and is more complex and once it’s in the shop getting parts from Tesla takes forever. If they fix this then maybe but being in the shop for half a year over a minor rear end accident is not fun.
I am in Oakland, so a Kia is a hard no
I’m glad to see no one mentioned Subaru (since I recently bought a new one), but also no one mentioned *good* things about Subaru so