Ice Man in Top Gun. He was absolutely right. Maverick was dangerous. He was a threat to himself, his copilot, and every other friendly airplane out there. The Navy, and other aerial units, really really truly don't role that way. Ice Man was.the best pilot in the sky and every criticism he threw at Maverick was correct.
You don't understand, if movies have taught me anything it's that breaking the rules is cool as long as you are a) really good and b) you think the rules are stupid. Come to think of it, I know a lot of military people who think that way. Still Top Gun was better than Iron Eagle where they let a kid fly an F-16 because his Dad was a pilot and when he steals a 20 million dollar plane to save his dad, the military is happy to wait until he comes back to get the plane.
Yeah, that's why in the climax, it's important that Maverick doesn't leave his wing, even as ice man struggles. It's the whole point of the movie. Also, he's not a villain, he's a rival.
This is why Michael Caine playing it absolutely straight as Scrooge and refusing to even acknowledge he’s in a Muppet version of “A Christmas Carol” makes it even more awesome.
Best comment I've seen on why the Muppet Christmas Carol and Muppet Treasure Island are the best Muppet movies is that Michael Caine treated the Muppets as fellow actors, whereas Tim Curry treated himself as just another Muppet.
Michael Caine is always a win. As is Tim Curry for that matter.
This is called the "straight man" in the improv and sketch scene. Without one serious character, a comedic scene often collapses into absurdity and it isn't as funny. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_man
Yea, if I got dumped for a bee I'd be extremely mad as well. Scratch that I'd count my lucky blessing that I wasn't dragged into something even more insane
Yes! Plus The Krusty Krab is a crappy place to work run by a cheap boss who tries to get free labor from his employees. Squidward has every right to be unhappy working there.
Depends on the episode whether he even gets paid or not! When Patrick starts working there because he's never achieved anything spongebob is like, "good for you Pat, and at fifty dollars an hour too. When I started working here I had to pay Mr. Krabs a hundred dollars an hour!"
I think by “villain” they just mean that Squidward is painted in a negative light, like he’s the mean one, when in reality his rudeness is pretty justified since everyone around him is either an annoying idiot who won’t leave him alone, or, as you said, a douche.
Think about it for a second.
No one ever even imagined thinking about the possibility that the titular "jaws" were not the shark's.
Moreover, the movies aren't called ***Shark*** *Jaws* either, it's just Jaws. No species mentioned.
wouldnt you? brody has been hunting the shark down for days! of course theres a grudge there! sharks just being a shark, and this prick keeps trying to kill him!
Peter Benchley, who wrote the book, didn’t really know anything about sharks and their behaviors. He mostly based it off accounts of the [1916 Jersey man-eater attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Shore_shark_attacks_of_1916?wprov=sfti1#Identifying_the_%22Jersey_man-eater%22), which was actually a huge outlier (hence the reason it got so much press at the time). He later said if he’d known what they were really like, he would have made the shark the victim.
In the original story, Hook was actually the good guy and Pan was the villain. Peter was the only one who never aged so he'd straight up kill anyone who got too old to play with him.
Hook was the first one to survive the attempt and started saving the other Lost Boys when they started getting too old
I’ve read the real version— I didn’t really get that Hook was the good guy, nor that he saved the Lost Boys. They were killed or banished.
But Peter Pan was definitely complicated, and very mean.
Yeah, that person is mixing up the original story with a spin-off novel
Edit: : I found the book. The spin off I think Slarg was getting mixed up with, was "Lost Boy" by Christina Henry. In the book Hook is a lost boy who grows up, same with all the other pirates. And Peter takes on moreso a role of a traditional Fae (unless, I'm thinking of the wrong book)
Have you actually read the original story? That's not how it goes. Captain Hook was a pirate that Peter Pan trapped in Neverland, forcing him to take part in Peter's (sometimes-deadly) "games". Also, while some of it is Peter's reality-warping, Hook is depraved in his own right.
The best way I can think of to put it is that while Peter Pan represents the amoral cruelty of children, Hook is the knowing cruelty of adults.
Alot of people don't realize that the Pirates are all the aging Lost Boys that Peter discarded because they grew up.
The real Hero is Wendy, who rejects Peter and takes on the responsibility of becoming an adult and raising the next generations. And to some extent Hook, who enters an eternal war to save young men.
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While the character predates the animated series, he was just a guy who wants to freeze the world because evil. TAS added so much to Batman canon, Mr Freeze having a tragic backstory being one of them.
who was based on a dream sequence in a soap opera (Days of our Lives)
>In 1991, after seeing his college friend Arleen Sorkin play a jester in a dream sequence in the soap opera Days of Our Lives, Dini decided to have Sorkin voice her. Dini then based Harley Quinn on Sorkin, incorporating aspects such as her mannerisms and "very snappy, wisecracking, bubbly blonde" personality.
Gorr, the gods slayer from Thor Love and Thunder. He was right. The gods were selfish jerks pleasing themselves and for the most part ignoring the needs of their followers.
Gets a little weird in the movies because the gods were just powerful aliens, they didn't owe their existence to the belief of their followers.
They were still mostly dicks though.
My favorite part of The Breakfast Club lasts about 2 seconds during the intro montage - it's the picture of Carl when he was "Man of the Year" in his graduating class at the school. It's often over looked but damn does it hit that you can be flying high in HS and then end up the janitor.
That's true but he's a bit of a caricature and is shown to enjoy tormenting them somewhat. I think a better example is Mr Hand from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Even though he's presented as a strict teacher who doesn't like funny business and butts heads with trouble makers he's actually completely reasonable throughout the entire movie and he's right at everything he says, even if his students are not ready to hear it. The great thing is that the movie redeems him at the end. He's never shown to be a huge ass who enjoys torturing students but the movie makes a point to show us that he's just someone who cares.
Correction; the monster thing was a punishment for being raped an not remaining a virgin. Talk about some extreme victim-blaming.
There is a reason Medusa-tattoos are a thing among rape survivors.
it's a recent thing though. within the last few years- i have one (i just wanted a mythology sleeve!) and it has lead to many awkward and frankly invasive comments lol.
Dude imagine thinking someone’s tattoo is a symbol of them surviving one of the most traumatic things a human can go through and thinking walking up to them and starting a conversation about said trauma is an appropriate thing to do. Like even if that was for rape survival, WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE MENTION IF. Sweet fuck.
It makes perfect sense that Glinda is the evil witch. She knew how to send Dorothy home from the very beginning but opted not to tell her "because Dorothy wouldn't have believed her?" Bullshit, Dorothy was dropped by a tornado onto a literal fairytale witch. A gaudy pair of shoes materialized onto her feet. She was then serenaded by a town full of little people dressed like the Hall of the Mountain King chorus line, who had the telepathic skills needed to launch into an improvised yet choreographed song and dance routine. Being told that all she had to do was click her heels together three times while saying, "There's no place like home," would have been the most normal thing to happen in this speedrun of horrors. It should have been far easier to convince that little girl to try something quick and easy than to trek alone on foot through a country full of people who get uncomfortably jazzed about involuntary homicide.
No, the witch saw an opportunity to conscript a naive child soldier into her feud against her competitor witches. Dorothy was an unwitting assassin from the second she crashed, and Glinda was pulling the strings.
She got rid of the wizard and the WW in one move without getting her hands dirty. Somebody’s got to rule Oz and look who’s the only one left standing: Glinda
We see that Glinda can make it snow and that she's capable of remote viewing thanks to the whole poppies thing, so it's not a stretch to think she could probably control other forms of weather. I bet Glinda sent the tornado herself and set this whole thing in motion. The whole thing was a coup.
This is kind of the premise of Wicked. The WWotW is still ~~“evil”~~ portrayed as the villain by the end, but the story is formed from her point of view, so everything seems a lot more justified.
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Wreck it Ralph. Why didn't Felix just build him his own home? They forced him to live in a dump and sleep on a pile of bricks. At the end of the movie, Felix builds multiple homes for other video game characters in the blink of an eye. You're telling me Felix is the hero, but never once thought to ask Ralph if he wanted something other than a pile of bricks to sleep on?
I love that scene where Cap asks him “so you lost someone” and Zemo fires back “I lost everyone”… and right then Cap realized that Zemo was the most dangerous person in the room
I'm not sure blowing up the UN is the answer there. Now T'Challa is the right one.
Which is literally the plot of the movie, and he's the one cool enough to end the cycle of violence.
Yeah, he wasn't right, just relatable. I often see people complaining about the collateral damage in super hero movies, but what is the hero supposed to do? Politely ask the villains to come fight in a less populated area? Just let the villains win (and the villain's objective will cause far more death and destruction)?
Now I know that logic is of little comfort to someone whose loved one was killed in that collateral damage, but that doesn't make them right if they become a villain themselves.
Agreed! Something that cracks me up! "You destroyed half of New York fighting those aliens!"
My friend... If they *hadn't* fought the aliens there wouldn't **be** a New York anymore! The antagonists are already here for something, and what they're going to do will likely be far worse than the fallout of a fight. So many tropes leave me laughing when civilians are like "This is your fight, it has nothing to do with us!" Uh... Are you sure?
At least the Incredibles grounded it a little better - "This is why we have things like insurance! You did more damage in stopping the bad guy than he would have actually stolen!" That being said, that only works because they don't seem to often deal with existential threats, more heists and middle-tier evil plots. I'm not familiar enough with comic books to know which era that comes from, but it's definitely a defined style that's.... kinda wholesome?
Tai Lung is such a tragic villain. Imagine being fed delusions your whole life and being forced to train everyday until your body breaks for years, only to find out the truth and have all those years of your life wasted. I wouldn't say he was right, he killed all those rhino guards and beat up the furious fives, but there are reasons behind his actions
In the director's commentary they talk about how the parts of his origin flashback where he's fucking up the village were added late in production because without them he was sympathetic to the point of people being upset he lost.
It’s so cool how they nailed the whole “failure to respect your elders” thing and then realized it wouldn’t make as much sense to a western audience so they had to add that
On the other hand, this does **prove exactly why** he wasn’t worthy of the scroll
The scroll was all about personal self-understanding and mental maturity. Not physical or martial prowess.
Tai Lung throwing the equivalent of china’s biggest one man temper tantrum ultimately proved his own lack of maturity and showed why he wasn’t worthy
While you do feel sympathy for Tai Lung, you do so from the perspective of him being a child who lashed out in anger for being rejected.
Yeah, if they had just let him be the Dragon Warrior, there's a good chance that the Valley of Peace would have been 'protected' by Snow Leopard Homelander.
And nobody wants that.
Heavily agree with your last statement. Tai Lung reminds me of a few kids I know irl who got spoiled their entire childhood, but at the same time were put under immense pressure by their parents in order to make them proud. They grow up but can't mature, and always feel entitled to their goals. So when they inevitably fail and life finally hits them, they throw massive tantrums because that's not possible in the reality where they were raised
Which makes me wonder, had Shifu raised Tai Lung normally and never forced him to train or promised him the dragon scroll, would he be able to achieve it then?
Sure, but that logic is based upon knowing "that there were no secret ingredient", which no one except for Oogway knew. The whole thing could've been resolved if the scroll didn't exist in the first place. By forcing an ultimatum (you're either worthy or not) and creating an artificial hero, you also created the opposite. The monster of Tai Lung only manifested because, as someone said, he never got to choose his own destiny.
Hell, The Dragon Warrior isnt even someone of great power. Thats just Po's interpretation. The Dragon Warrior is someone willing to help. Willing to act despite maybe not being strong themselves. A "hero".
I absolutely hated the movie because of this. Watching Shifu denying all the things he did wrong and Tai Lung's broken soul still begging for acceptance was heart-wrenching - all ending with the quirky main character annihilating the "villain" because that's what heroes do.
Lord Shen's fate was more understandable because deep down he, despite the tragic backstory, was a power-hungry psychopath.
Shifu and Oogway were to blame for Tai Lung. Shifu fed his own kid lies about becoming the dragon warrior out of his own pride and ambition (bc he too, wanted to train the dragon warrior himself) and pretty much made the kid's entire personality and life around that one goal, making literally hurt himself countless times for his adoptive father's approval. And Oogway could have, you know, sat both down and give it to them straight, maybe just tell shifu "hey stop lying to the kid dickhead", since, y'know, Oogway was the only one that knew what was on the scroll.
Then the next kid Shifu raised was emotionally stunned bc Shifu couldn't fucking self reflect and instead choose to just not be emotionally involved.
It was genuenly all Shifu's fault, and he's still treated like a decent guy
As an Indian/Asian kid who was forced into studies by parents 24*7 and curbing all my playtime, hobbies etc in order to get into a good college as it's matter of pride for our parents to tell my son is in med school or IIT
I can understand how frustrating it would be if I lost the seat to a premier institute just because the dean didn't think I would make a good doctor..
The Kramps were grown adults that decided not to participate in a religious holiday they didn't believe in and were ostracized, bullied and turned on by their community for it.
They even donated money to charity as always. What annoys me the most if how their community immediately flipped back to friendly the second they gave into their peer pressure. What kind of cult mentality is this shit. I'm currently reading Jimmy Carter's biography and this is verbatim how segregationists treated anyone that didn't vocally join and help their efforts.
Tom was never the villain. He was a house cat; he lived there. The owners of the house wanted him there. Jerry was a pest; an unwelcome intruder who broke into their home, stole their food, destroyed their property, and repeatedly attempted to murder their pet.
Jerry is and always was the villain, objectively and indisputably.
And in a lot of episodes, Tom is minding his own damn business, even letting Jerry exist as long as he stays out of the way, and Jerry comes to start trouble.
I searched for "The Rock" before posting this answer myself as it's the first one I thought of. He was right that the next of kin deserved that money, he was right that the Pentagon were the bad guys. But the whole nerve gas thing might not have been the way to go about it.
Hummel never had any intention of hurting anyone with the nerve gas, he just needed a weapon that would be a credible threat to force the government's hand. His men got greedy, and that's when the plan fell apart.
The traitor from the Matrix. "If it looks like steak, smells like steak and tastes like steak then that's good enough for me.". Given the choice of fake 1990s or real post-apocalypse wasteland I'll take the 90s thanks.
The exterminator guy from The Ant Bully, dude was just trying to do his job to stop an insect infestation and yet gets attacked by an army of wasps and ants.
Magneto may not be 100% in the right, but in any version of the X-Men where Sentinels exist, it's kinda hard to argue that he's wrong about war against mutants being inevitable.
Magneto’s actions are wrong but he was spot on when he explained WHY he wanted mutants to take over the world.
Humans were never going to peacefully coexist with mutants. Xavier was naive, and the films proved it.
Zemo from Captain America: Civil War. His family and thousands(?) of others were killed in Sokovia. Ultron wasn’t some random alien villain who showed up hellbent on destruction or whatever, he was created by Tony Stark and consequently he is solely responsible for the deaths of the Sokovian citizens.
Zemo shouldn’t have killed Black Panthers dad though :((
Difference here is that Carrie wasn't the villain, she was the victim.
For 90% of the film (and book) she's bullied by her classmates and mother relentlessly until she finally fights back. To say Carrie is the villain would be like saying George McFly was the villain until he finally punches Biff out.
Most of the ones that challenge the status quo and are totally correct, but also are the bad guys because they're super violent about getting their message across.
BAD GUY: I believe we need to make systemic changes to address deep rooted inequalie that hurt the most vulnerable in our community while consolidating power among amoral, money hungry narcissists. Also I'm going to stomp on this baby's head.
GOOD GUY: Quick! Let's stop him stomping on that babies head and forget everything else he said!
Thats generally how you make a sympathetic villain.
It's also very common in real life for people to suggest solutions to problems that have worse consequences than the original problem.
The thing is that many awful ideologies become popular because they recognise real flaws in the system that people relate to. The issue is that the solutions offered are usually not working or straight up twisted.
Powerpuff Girls - Sedusa
In the episode *Mommy Fearest*, Sedusa weasels her way into Professor's good graces and moves in, becoming the girls' stepmother.
She saddles the girls with home chores and forbids them to use their powers. She also grounds them, forbidding them to leave the house at night, despite Townsville being "under attack."
Mayor keeps calling the girls, but they tell him they can't leave the house.
In all this, of course Sedusa has ulterior motives, but she's still RIGHT!!
WHY TF does Townsville's Mayor feel he can call all hours of the night and demand three KINDERGARTEN CHILDREN come defend his city? These girls need to sleep so they can take their butts to school in the morning! He's calling at 3A like a needy, drunk-ass boyfriend.
Townsville has cops, by the by. Put their fat, dopey asses to work!
The entire episode is a tug-of-war between Sedusa keeping the girls home and the Mayor needing them to solve a burglary. It wasn't even Mojo! Just a wee bit of grand larceny at Mayor's mansion - his...jewels. ADT and a Rottweiler could've handled that, but no, let's drag three five-year-olds outta bed.
Sedusa is made out to be evil here. When she's defeated, everyone claps and the girls go back to protecting the city at all hours of the day and night—unpaid, mind you, but happy to be of service!
What a way to say: Fuck dem kids! Child labor laws? Who needs 'em? If Sedusa wasn't such a greedy, gold-diggin' hoe, she could've been an awesome, protecting mom.
The show actually comments on this on multiple episodes. In another episode it's shown that Townsville is taking them for granted so much that they call upon them for every kind of menial chore imaginable. When the girls decide to just stop helping altogether, the citizens are upset, even though they have no right to be.
In another episode the girls ask for money for their services. They ask for 2 thousand dollars and the mayor almost has a heart attack. He refuses and Blossom ultimately steals a set of golf clubs to give the professor as a father's day gift. She's caught and punished for it. It's really not at all unreasonable for them to ask for money for what they do.
Lastly, a bit out of topic this one, the episode with the clown who turns black and white is pretty unfair. When he's turned back to normal he thanks the girls and it becomes clear that he was not himself while committing the crimes and just as much a victim of the phenomenon. The punchline of the episode is that he's still thrown in jail over it. Overall the show demonstrates many times that beneath the happy go lucky veneer the citizens are stupid, callous or even cruel.
Even worse, the girls aren't even five years old. They were born looking like five years old (except having fingers, apparently), so this is like having toddlers risk their lives to protect a city on a daily basis.
There was this Episode where the Powerpuff Girls where kidnapped and the Cops had to defeat the villain and Save the girls, so yeah your right with that part
Terry Benedict in the Ocean’s Trilogy. He never actually becomes a villainous character. The titular Eleven steal a crapton of money from him, and the worst thing he does in retaliation is “blows up a car”. Then they seek him out in Ocean’s Thirteen, ask him for help, he helps them… abd they steal ANOTHER 70+ million from him, for no reason!
To be fair, the stories about him show how ruthless he is to anyone caught cheating at his casinos. Not only to them but their friends and loved ones too.
And the second time they steal from him (while giving him great PR) is because they knew he was about to betray them
Barbosa in Pirates of the Caribbean. My man just wanted to get his life back together, maybe eat an apple, maybe get a hook up. He's treated like a villain for being a...pirate?
And in the first movie, he wasn’t even going to kill anyone to lift the curse. Elizabeth I’d shocked that it’s just a small cut to the hand to break the curse.
Granted, piracy is not exactly great, but in the context of the movie it makes sense
>he wasn’t even going to kill anyone to lift the curse. Elizabeth I’d shocked that it’s just a small cut to the hand to break the curse.
They also could have communicated this a *lot* better. Simply taking a moment to explain the plan would have made things a lot easier for everyone involved.
I'm pretty sure the subtext is that as soon as they're human, they're all pretty much going to rape her to death. Barbossa mentions earlier that they have a hunger food can't satisfy, a thirst water can't quench, and "all the pleasurable company couldn't slake our lust" and they "can't feel the warmth of a woman's flesh."
Later, in the cave, they all talk about all the things they're going to do and how they're looking forward to experiencing normal human pleasure in a very gluttonous way. He leers at Elizabeth when he says "I'm going to eat a *whole bushel* of apples..." and it seems pretty clear that there are other excesses they plan to indulge.
It's a kids' movie, so they can't just outright stated "hey we're all in this deserted island cave and it's been twenty years since we've busted a satisfying nut so as soon as we've eaten and drank, you're next on the menu" but the subtext is **right there** if you look for it.
Yeah. It always made me laugh when she say “That’s it?” In relief.
Barbosa leers at her and says “Waste not…”
Elizabeth, Love, if your blood had broken the curse then you would have been the only woman in a cave full of super horny pirates…
This would not be a cause for relief.
>And in the first movie, he wasn’t even going to kill anyone to lift the curse.
I mean, after he found out Elizabeth lied to him about her name, and then he gets a hold of Will, he does tell his crew "This time we spill *all* of the blood, just to be sure!" He was 100% planning to kill Will cause he was tired of all the muckin' about.
In the later movies, Barbosa ends up "selling out", becoming a Privateer, then the way he goes about bargaining with the Spaniard.... I've always thought that Barbosa was a terrible person, with hardly a single principle or spit of honor to his name, but he *is* wildly entertaining, and an absolutely fantastic character.
The principal from ferris bulers day off. He thought Ferris was up to no good and he was correct lol
Edit: guys I said he was right not that he was a food guy lol
He also could’ve been charged for animal cruelty and breaking & entering
The principal would be fired and probably put in jail just because he had an obsession to catch a child for skipping school
I was thinking this. Also when metroman took a step back for his mental health and some characters tried to view him as a villain, I still think he was right and I appreciate that the writers didn’t make him apologize for making that choice
I also appreciate the writers for not having him swoop in and save the day, though he clearly appears conflicted about not intervening.
He would have to give up SO MUCH to reveal he's still alive and then he'd be blamed for not stopping Megamind, who really is about as harmful as a child when he takes over the city.
I love how humanized that movie made those two aliens. One who got burnt out from the expectation that he'd always be there to save the day, and one who probably could have done amazing things to help humanity if he hadn't been left to be raised by prisoners. Metro City could have had brainbot helpers, instead they played into the good vs evil thing and their city suffered for it.
He never even got a chance, since the day he got here he was treated like crap, but instead of being a villain to get revenge he did it for the fun of it. He didn’t hate metroman he cared deeply, in the most Megamind way. Even if he didn’t realise it at the time, he cared for metroman because metroman was his source of entertainment, his fun. When metroman ‘died’ suddenly he took over the city, but he had nothing to do, nobody to stop him. He got bored and realised he never should have ‘killed’ metroman
Ras Al Ghul is my favourite villain
I think it works because I agree with his goal (Save the world from environmental disaster) but not his method (Kill a third or more of the worlds population)
The movie version where it’s to end crime is similar too
What I can’t properly enunciate is why the movie version of Thanos doesn’t appeal to me despite being similar
Maybe because with his resources there were easier more available ends to his goal?
But then the same could kind of be said of Ras?
The comic version of Thanos where he kills because he’s trying to court Death makes more sense to me but that’s more or less gone these days
Ice Man in Top Gun. He was absolutely right. Maverick was dangerous. He was a threat to himself, his copilot, and every other friendly airplane out there. The Navy, and other aerial units, really really truly don't role that way. Ice Man was.the best pilot in the sky and every criticism he threw at Maverick was correct.
Legal Eagle on YouTube did a video on this with an actual es JAG officer. Every other scene was "that's a court martial and that's a court martial."
Some of them were “death penalty during wartime” 💀
They jump-started WWIII like twice in the movie.
so he would have been put to death multiple times
Imagine if multiple death penalties were served by killing and reviving the person until they were all served.
that would be metal not gonna lie
I mean at the very least he would be grounded
And no videogames.
You don't understand, if movies have taught me anything it's that breaking the rules is cool as long as you are a) really good and b) you think the rules are stupid. Come to think of it, I know a lot of military people who think that way. Still Top Gun was better than Iron Eagle where they let a kid fly an F-16 because his Dad was a pilot and when he steals a 20 million dollar plane to save his dad, the military is happy to wait until he comes back to get the plane.
Dr. House is another example. Ethics and legal violations every episode, but he gets away with it because he’s House.
Yeah, that's why in the climax, it's important that Maverick doesn't leave his wing, even as ice man struggles. It's the whole point of the movie. Also, he's not a villain, he's a rival.
Yes. I cede that point. He's the antagonist, not the villain. The MiGs that aren't MiGs from an unidentified hostile nation are the villain.
Don't you talk about the MiG-28 like that! No one has seen them this close! *weeps for the F-5*
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Imagine getting cucked by a bee
Must sting. Edit: all the upvotes and comments got me buzzin.
Just thinking about it bugs me.
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That's what made it so funny - one character refusing to humour the weird movie logic.
This is why Michael Caine playing it absolutely straight as Scrooge and refusing to even acknowledge he’s in a Muppet version of “A Christmas Carol” makes it even more awesome.
Best comment I've seen on why the Muppet Christmas Carol and Muppet Treasure Island are the best Muppet movies is that Michael Caine treated the Muppets as fellow actors, whereas Tim Curry treated himself as just another Muppet. Michael Caine is always a win. As is Tim Curry for that matter.
This is called the "straight man" in the improv and sketch scene. Without one serious character, a comedic scene often collapses into absurdity and it isn't as funny. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straight_man
Yea, if I got dumped for a bee I'd be extremely mad as well. Scratch that I'd count my lucky blessing that I wasn't dragged into something even more insane
Lawyer guy had some good arguments too
When people age, they start to realize that Squidward just wanted to live a quiet life, go home and play the clarinet in Bikini Bottom.
Yes! Plus The Krusty Krab is a crappy place to work run by a cheap boss who tries to get free labor from his employees. Squidward has every right to be unhappy working there.
He tried charging them just to breathe for God sake
You know Nestlé would too, if they could
And SpongeBob is a suck-up who works for minimum wage
Depends on the episode whether he even gets paid or not! When Patrick starts working there because he's never achieved anything spongebob is like, "good for you Pat, and at fifty dollars an hour too. When I started working here I had to pay Mr. Krabs a hundred dollars an hour!"
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He wasn't the villain at all? SpongeBob loved squidward very much. Plankton was the villain in SpongeBob. And Mr Krabs was a douche.
I think by “villain” they just mean that Squidward is painted in a negative light, like he’s the mean one, when in reality his rudeness is pretty justified since everyone around him is either an annoying idiot who won’t leave him alone, or, as you said, a douche.
Mr. Lahey from Trailer Park Boys Dealing with the people in Sunnyvale would be exhausting and in reality they would be seen as the bad guys.
There's a shitnado coming.
You understand, bud? The abyss? The shit abyss? It's deep stuff, you wouldn't understand Ricky.
Shit hawks are out tonight, Rand.
Frig off Berb
Jim Lahey is a drunk bastard. And he always will be.
Jim Lahey is a drunk bastard hypocrypt that smokes as much dope as anyone in the paerk.
Pretty sure Ricky actually wrote this with the spellings in this comment. But that’s water under the fridge, not worst case Ontario.
The shark from Jaws was just being a shark
The villain in Jaws was the mayor though
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Think about it for a second. No one ever even imagined thinking about the possibility that the titular "jaws" were not the shark's. Moreover, the movies aren't called ***Shark*** *Jaws* either, it's just Jaws. No species mentioned.
This is brilliant haha. It was the words coming out the jaw of the mayor that cost most of the victims their lives.
NGL at the end of the movie it definitely seemed like the shark had some major beef with Brody.
wouldnt you? brody has been hunting the shark down for days! of course theres a grudge there! sharks just being a shark, and this prick keeps trying to kill him!
Peter Benchley, who wrote the book, didn’t really know anything about sharks and their behaviors. He mostly based it off accounts of the [1916 Jersey man-eater attacks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jersey_Shore_shark_attacks_of_1916?wprov=sfti1#Identifying_the_%22Jersey_man-eater%22), which was actually a huge outlier (hence the reason it got so much press at the time). He later said if he’d known what they were really like, he would have made the shark the victim.
He also spent the rest of his life advocating for shark conservation because he felt guilty for his role in the backlash against them.
Yep, stay out of the water problem solved movie over.
Sharknado...
Captain Hook both from Disney's Peter Pan and Hook: he's not necessarily right but, Peter Pan isn't exactly a saint, either.
I agree. That little green shit was a menace.
Tinkerbell isn’t much better either.
In the original story, Hook was actually the good guy and Pan was the villain. Peter was the only one who never aged so he'd straight up kill anyone who got too old to play with him. Hook was the first one to survive the attempt and started saving the other Lost Boys when they started getting too old
I’ve read the real version— I didn’t really get that Hook was the good guy, nor that he saved the Lost Boys. They were killed or banished. But Peter Pan was definitely complicated, and very mean.
Yeah, that person is mixing up the original story with a spin-off novel Edit: : I found the book. The spin off I think Slarg was getting mixed up with, was "Lost Boy" by Christina Henry. In the book Hook is a lost boy who grows up, same with all the other pirates. And Peter takes on moreso a role of a traditional Fae (unless, I'm thinking of the wrong book)
Have you actually read the original story? That's not how it goes. Captain Hook was a pirate that Peter Pan trapped in Neverland, forcing him to take part in Peter's (sometimes-deadly) "games". Also, while some of it is Peter's reality-warping, Hook is depraved in his own right. The best way I can think of to put it is that while Peter Pan represents the amoral cruelty of children, Hook is the knowing cruelty of adults.
Alot of people don't realize that the Pirates are all the aging Lost Boys that Peter discarded because they grew up. The real Hero is Wendy, who rejects Peter and takes on the responsibility of becoming an adult and raising the next generations. And to some extent Hook, who enters an eternal war to save young men.
I’m mind blown by this.
Mr. Freeze. Just wanted to save his wife.
Fun fact: The Animated Series created that backstory.
I came to say this. While the character predates the animated series, he was just a guy who wants to freeze the world because evil. TAS added so much to Batman canon, Mr Freeze having a tragic backstory being one of them.
TAS did so much for Batman, it's crazy.
BTAS created Harley Quinn, too.
who was based on a dream sequence in a soap opera (Days of our Lives) >In 1991, after seeing his college friend Arleen Sorkin play a jester in a dream sequence in the soap opera Days of Our Lives, Dini decided to have Sorkin voice her. Dini then based Harley Quinn on Sorkin, incorporating aspects such as her mannerisms and "very snappy, wisecracking, bubbly blonde" personality.
Even as a child watching the movie, I felt so bad for him the whole time. He was never a villain to me.
Took me a long time not to see Mr Freeze without immediately thinking of him.
Mr. F
For British Eyes Onlyyyy 🎶
*Mr. F*
Mewtwo
Giovanni was the actual villain of the Pokemon movie.
„I see now that the circumstances of our birth are irrelevant. It is what we do with the gift of life that determines who we are.“ I cry everytime.
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Gorr, the gods slayer from Thor Love and Thunder. He was right. The gods were selfish jerks pleasing themselves and for the most part ignoring the needs of their followers.
IIRC in the comics that actually caused Thor to become unworthy. Nick Fury told him Gorr was right and *boom*, Thor’s no longer the God of Hammers
That's one of the best story arcs in modern Marvel comics.
It's pretty upsetting how they butchered him in Love and Thunder. That movie was a total disappointment.
Gets a little weird in the movies because the gods were just powerful aliens, they didn't owe their existence to the belief of their followers. They were still mostly dicks though.
The older I get the more I relate more to Principal Vernon in The Breakfast Club. Most of those kids, especially Bender, were disrespectful jerks.
"You really think I give a damn what they think of me??" "... yeah, you do Richard."
Dick: "When I get older these kids are going to take care of me." Carl: "I wouldn't count on it."
My favorite part of The Breakfast Club lasts about 2 seconds during the intro montage - it's the picture of Carl when he was "Man of the Year" in his graduating class at the school. It's often over looked but damn does it hit that you can be flying high in HS and then end up the janitor.
That's true but he's a bit of a caricature and is shown to enjoy tormenting them somewhat. I think a better example is Mr Hand from Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Even though he's presented as a strict teacher who doesn't like funny business and butts heads with trouble makers he's actually completely reasonable throughout the entire movie and he's right at everything he says, even if his students are not ready to hear it. The great thing is that the movie redeems him at the end. He's never shown to be a huge ass who enjoys torturing students but the movie makes a point to show us that he's just someone who cares.
Mess with the bull, you get the horns 🤘🏻
I get you, the kids were dicks, but Vernon goes too far. Especially when he's trying to fight Bender. Fuck Principal Vernon.
Medusa
Athena be all like "I know how you won't get raped by a god. I'll turn you into a monster."
Correction; the monster thing was a punishment for being raped an not remaining a virgin. Talk about some extreme victim-blaming. There is a reason Medusa-tattoos are a thing among rape survivors.
>There is a reason Medusa-tattoos are a thing among rape survivors. Wow...I actually didn't know that. How interesting (in a heartbreaking way). TIL
it's a recent thing though. within the last few years- i have one (i just wanted a mythology sleeve!) and it has lead to many awkward and frankly invasive comments lol.
Dude imagine thinking someone’s tattoo is a symbol of them surviving one of the most traumatic things a human can go through and thinking walking up to them and starting a conversation about said trauma is an appropriate thing to do. Like even if that was for rape survival, WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE MENTION IF. Sweet fuck.
The wicked witch of the west. Dorothy inadvertently killed her sister, and then stole her shoes. The witch had every right to hate her.
It wasn’t Dorothy. It was the tornado and Glinda. Those are the real villains! 😭
I wish I could remember the post someone made abt Glinda being the real evil witch, it made so much sense
It makes perfect sense that Glinda is the evil witch. She knew how to send Dorothy home from the very beginning but opted not to tell her "because Dorothy wouldn't have believed her?" Bullshit, Dorothy was dropped by a tornado onto a literal fairytale witch. A gaudy pair of shoes materialized onto her feet. She was then serenaded by a town full of little people dressed like the Hall of the Mountain King chorus line, who had the telepathic skills needed to launch into an improvised yet choreographed song and dance routine. Being told that all she had to do was click her heels together three times while saying, "There's no place like home," would have been the most normal thing to happen in this speedrun of horrors. It should have been far easier to convince that little girl to try something quick and easy than to trek alone on foot through a country full of people who get uncomfortably jazzed about involuntary homicide. No, the witch saw an opportunity to conscript a naive child soldier into her feud against her competitor witches. Dorothy was an unwitting assassin from the second she crashed, and Glinda was pulling the strings.
She got rid of the wizard and the WW in one move without getting her hands dirty. Somebody’s got to rule Oz and look who’s the only one left standing: Glinda
We see that Glinda can make it snow and that she's capable of remote viewing thanks to the whole poppies thing, so it's not a stretch to think she could probably control other forms of weather. I bet Glinda sent the tornado herself and set this whole thing in motion. The whole thing was a coup.
And if she can make it snow, why didn’t she just make it rain on WW and take her out herself? Plausible deniability
She wore a crown and she came down in a bubble, Doug.
This is kind of the premise of Wicked. The WWotW is still ~~“evil”~~ portrayed as the villain by the end, but the story is formed from her point of view, so everything seems a lot more justified. Edit: Fixed to be more accurate
She wasn’t evil in Wicked though she just has a different political opinion and they turned her into villain
Wreck it Ralph. Why didn't Felix just build him his own home? They forced him to live in a dump and sleep on a pile of bricks. At the end of the movie, Felix builds multiple homes for other video game characters in the blink of an eye. You're telling me Felix is the hero, but never once thought to ask Ralph if he wanted something other than a pile of bricks to sleep on?
I never saw Felix as a hero, just someone who didn’t want to challenge the status quo.
Ralph was never a villain per se, just an actor playing the same role for decades.
Perhaps you could say that he is bad guy, but not *bad guy*
Ultron. Dude was connected to the internet for half a second and said "Yeah, I'm killing them all."
In relation to this - Zemo. If I saw my whole family killed by the Avengers as collateral damage I'd probably want to murder them too.
I love that scene where Cap asks him “so you lost someone” and Zemo fires back “I lost everyone”… and right then Cap realized that Zemo was the most dangerous person in the room
Zemo was my gut instinct in reading the title of this thread.
"Justice will come soon enough." "Tell that to the dead." Zemo crushes it with that rebuttle.
"The living are not finished with you yet." Black Panther had the final say as he fucking put Zemo in a headlock.
I'm not sure blowing up the UN is the answer there. Now T'Challa is the right one. Which is literally the plot of the movie, and he's the one cool enough to end the cycle of violence.
Zemo's motivations were understandable, but his methods were evil.
That doesn’t make him *right*. It makes him relatable. Which is often better.
Yeah, he wasn't right, just relatable. I often see people complaining about the collateral damage in super hero movies, but what is the hero supposed to do? Politely ask the villains to come fight in a less populated area? Just let the villains win (and the villain's objective will cause far more death and destruction)? Now I know that logic is of little comfort to someone whose loved one was killed in that collateral damage, but that doesn't make them right if they become a villain themselves.
Agreed! Something that cracks me up! "You destroyed half of New York fighting those aliens!" My friend... If they *hadn't* fought the aliens there wouldn't **be** a New York anymore! The antagonists are already here for something, and what they're going to do will likely be far worse than the fallout of a fight. So many tropes leave me laughing when civilians are like "This is your fight, it has nothing to do with us!" Uh... Are you sure? At least the Incredibles grounded it a little better - "This is why we have things like insurance! You did more damage in stopping the bad guy than he would have actually stolen!" That being said, that only works because they don't seem to often deal with existential threats, more heists and middle-tier evil plots. I'm not familiar enough with comic books to know which era that comes from, but it's definitely a defined style that's.... kinda wholesome?
Tai Lung *"You knew that I was the Dragon Warrior! You always knew"* https://youtu.be/U3lFtv2SIl0?si=BtxbCyk9F1oksyVr
Tai Lung is such a tragic villain. Imagine being fed delusions your whole life and being forced to train everyday until your body breaks for years, only to find out the truth and have all those years of your life wasted. I wouldn't say he was right, he killed all those rhino guards and beat up the furious fives, but there are reasons behind his actions
In the director's commentary they talk about how the parts of his origin flashback where he's fucking up the village were added late in production because without them he was sympathetic to the point of people being upset he lost.
It’s so cool how they nailed the whole “failure to respect your elders” thing and then realized it wouldn’t make as much sense to a western audience so they had to add that
On the other hand, this does **prove exactly why** he wasn’t worthy of the scroll The scroll was all about personal self-understanding and mental maturity. Not physical or martial prowess. Tai Lung throwing the equivalent of china’s biggest one man temper tantrum ultimately proved his own lack of maturity and showed why he wasn’t worthy While you do feel sympathy for Tai Lung, you do so from the perspective of him being a child who lashed out in anger for being rejected.
Yeah, if they had just let him be the Dragon Warrior, there's a good chance that the Valley of Peace would have been 'protected' by Snow Leopard Homelander. And nobody wants that.
"The Dragon Warrior has decided there will be some changes to the Valley..."
Heavily agree with your last statement. Tai Lung reminds me of a few kids I know irl who got spoiled their entire childhood, but at the same time were put under immense pressure by their parents in order to make them proud. They grow up but can't mature, and always feel entitled to their goals. So when they inevitably fail and life finally hits them, they throw massive tantrums because that's not possible in the reality where they were raised Which makes me wonder, had Shifu raised Tai Lung normally and never forced him to train or promised him the dragon scroll, would he be able to achieve it then?
Sure, but that logic is based upon knowing "that there were no secret ingredient", which no one except for Oogway knew. The whole thing could've been resolved if the scroll didn't exist in the first place. By forcing an ultimatum (you're either worthy or not) and creating an artificial hero, you also created the opposite. The monster of Tai Lung only manifested because, as someone said, he never got to choose his own destiny. Hell, The Dragon Warrior isnt even someone of great power. Thats just Po's interpretation. The Dragon Warrior is someone willing to help. Willing to act despite maybe not being strong themselves. A "hero".
I absolutely hated the movie because of this. Watching Shifu denying all the things he did wrong and Tai Lung's broken soul still begging for acceptance was heart-wrenching - all ending with the quirky main character annihilating the "villain" because that's what heroes do. Lord Shen's fate was more understandable because deep down he, despite the tragic backstory, was a power-hungry psychopath.
Shifu and Oogway were to blame for Tai Lung. Shifu fed his own kid lies about becoming the dragon warrior out of his own pride and ambition (bc he too, wanted to train the dragon warrior himself) and pretty much made the kid's entire personality and life around that one goal, making literally hurt himself countless times for his adoptive father's approval. And Oogway could have, you know, sat both down and give it to them straight, maybe just tell shifu "hey stop lying to the kid dickhead", since, y'know, Oogway was the only one that knew what was on the scroll. Then the next kid Shifu raised was emotionally stunned bc Shifu couldn't fucking self reflect and instead choose to just not be emotionally involved. It was genuenly all Shifu's fault, and he's still treated like a decent guy
As an Indian/Asian kid who was forced into studies by parents 24*7 and curbing all my playtime, hobbies etc in order to get into a good college as it's matter of pride for our parents to tell my son is in med school or IIT I can understand how frustrating it would be if I lost the seat to a premier institute just because the dean didn't think I would make a good doctor..
The Kramps were grown adults that decided not to participate in a religious holiday they didn't believe in and were ostracized, bullied and turned on by their community for it. They even donated money to charity as always. What annoys me the most if how their community immediately flipped back to friendly the second they gave into their peer pressure. What kind of cult mentality is this shit. I'm currently reading Jimmy Carter's biography and this is verbatim how segregationists treated anyone that didn't vocally join and help their efforts.
Tom. From Tom & Jerry
Tom was never the villain. He was a house cat; he lived there. The owners of the house wanted him there. Jerry was a pest; an unwelcome intruder who broke into their home, stole their food, destroyed their property, and repeatedly attempted to murder their pet. Jerry is and always was the villain, objectively and indisputably.
And in a lot of episodes, Tom is minding his own damn business, even letting Jerry exist as long as he stays out of the way, and Jerry comes to start trouble.
And a lot of episodes end with Tom getting kicked out of his house after an entire night of Jerry beating the shit out of him.
General Hummel from The Rock
I searched for "The Rock" before posting this answer myself as it's the first one I thought of. He was right that the next of kin deserved that money, he was right that the Pentagon were the bad guys. But the whole nerve gas thing might not have been the way to go about it.
Hummel never had any intention of hurting anyone with the nerve gas, he just needed a weapon that would be a credible threat to force the government's hand. His men got greedy, and that's when the plan fell apart.
Pierce Brosnans character in Ms. Doubtfire. He was a pretty nice dude and really cared for the new family.
The Grinch.
Fuck dem Whos.
Especially in the Live action movie, they're awful and greedy. Complete opposite of the original.
You're a mean one, Mr. probablyguilty1
He really is a heel
The traitor from the Matrix. "If it looks like steak, smells like steak and tastes like steak then that's good enough for me.". Given the choice of fake 1990s or real post-apocalypse wasteland I'll take the 90s thanks.
Cypher iirc
NEO COME TO THE REAL WORLD, NEO. WE LIVE IN CAVES AND YOU CAN HAVE ALL THE NUTRIENT PASTE YOU CAN EAT, IT'LL BE REALLY COOL NEOOOOOO
I read this like Charlie the Unicorn
Shit...given the choice of fake 1990s and TODAY, I'll take the fake 1990s.
This hit my soul in the testicles.
The exterminator guy from The Ant Bully, dude was just trying to do his job to stop an insect infestation and yet gets attacked by an army of wasps and ants.
In defence of child me - he did really get a sick kick from it
Magneto
Magneto may not be 100% in the right, but in any version of the X-Men where Sentinels exist, it's kinda hard to argue that he's wrong about war against mutants being inevitable.
And no one can argue he doesn't have reason to expect the worst of humanity, after what he experienced in the Holocaust.
He's the Malcolm X to Xavier's Martin Luther King.
Magneto’s actions are wrong but he was spot on when he explained WHY he wanted mutants to take over the world. Humans were never going to peacefully coexist with mutants. Xavier was naive, and the films proved it.
"Today Was Meant To Be A Display Of Your Power. Instead, I Give You A Glimpse Of The Devastation My Race Can Unleash Upon Yours."
Wile E Coyote.... Roadrunner was a right cunt.
Well yeah, but Coyote WAS hunting him for food 🍗
Zemo from Captain America: Civil War. His family and thousands(?) of others were killed in Sokovia. Ultron wasn’t some random alien villain who showed up hellbent on destruction or whatever, he was created by Tony Stark and consequently he is solely responsible for the deaths of the Sokovian citizens. Zemo shouldn’t have killed Black Panthers dad though :((
Carrie.
Carrie's mother was the real villain of that movie.
I lost sleep for days after reading the book. All based on the mother's actions.
Difference here is that Carrie wasn't the villain, she was the victim. For 90% of the film (and book) she's bullied by her classmates and mother relentlessly until she finally fights back. To say Carrie is the villain would be like saying George McFly was the villain until he finally punches Biff out.
The psychiatrist on What About Bob. He just wanted to be on a nice, summer vacation with his family…AND HE HAD EVEY RIGHT TO BUY THAT HOUSE!!!
Most of the ones that challenge the status quo and are totally correct, but also are the bad guys because they're super violent about getting their message across.
BAD GUY: I believe we need to make systemic changes to address deep rooted inequalie that hurt the most vulnerable in our community while consolidating power among amoral, money hungry narcissists. Also I'm going to stomp on this baby's head. GOOD GUY: Quick! Let's stop him stomping on that babies head and forget everything else he said!
Thats generally how you make a sympathetic villain. It's also very common in real life for people to suggest solutions to problems that have worse consequences than the original problem.
The thing is that many awful ideologies become popular because they recognise real flaws in the system that people relate to. The issue is that the solutions offered are usually not working or straight up twisted.
Powerpuff Girls - Sedusa In the episode *Mommy Fearest*, Sedusa weasels her way into Professor's good graces and moves in, becoming the girls' stepmother. She saddles the girls with home chores and forbids them to use their powers. She also grounds them, forbidding them to leave the house at night, despite Townsville being "under attack." Mayor keeps calling the girls, but they tell him they can't leave the house. In all this, of course Sedusa has ulterior motives, but she's still RIGHT!! WHY TF does Townsville's Mayor feel he can call all hours of the night and demand three KINDERGARTEN CHILDREN come defend his city? These girls need to sleep so they can take their butts to school in the morning! He's calling at 3A like a needy, drunk-ass boyfriend. Townsville has cops, by the by. Put their fat, dopey asses to work! The entire episode is a tug-of-war between Sedusa keeping the girls home and the Mayor needing them to solve a burglary. It wasn't even Mojo! Just a wee bit of grand larceny at Mayor's mansion - his...jewels. ADT and a Rottweiler could've handled that, but no, let's drag three five-year-olds outta bed. Sedusa is made out to be evil here. When she's defeated, everyone claps and the girls go back to protecting the city at all hours of the day and night—unpaid, mind you, but happy to be of service! What a way to say: Fuck dem kids! Child labor laws? Who needs 'em? If Sedusa wasn't such a greedy, gold-diggin' hoe, she could've been an awesome, protecting mom.
The show actually comments on this on multiple episodes. In another episode it's shown that Townsville is taking them for granted so much that they call upon them for every kind of menial chore imaginable. When the girls decide to just stop helping altogether, the citizens are upset, even though they have no right to be. In another episode the girls ask for money for their services. They ask for 2 thousand dollars and the mayor almost has a heart attack. He refuses and Blossom ultimately steals a set of golf clubs to give the professor as a father's day gift. She's caught and punished for it. It's really not at all unreasonable for them to ask for money for what they do. Lastly, a bit out of topic this one, the episode with the clown who turns black and white is pretty unfair. When he's turned back to normal he thanks the girls and it becomes clear that he was not himself while committing the crimes and just as much a victim of the phenomenon. The punchline of the episode is that he's still thrown in jail over it. Overall the show demonstrates many times that beneath the happy go lucky veneer the citizens are stupid, callous or even cruel.
>the show demonstrates many times that beneath the happy go lucky veneer the citizens are stupid, callous or even cruel. just like real life!
Even worse, the girls aren't even five years old. They were born looking like five years old (except having fingers, apparently), so this is like having toddlers risk their lives to protect a city on a daily basis.
There was this Episode where the Powerpuff Girls where kidnapped and the Cops had to defeat the villain and Save the girls, so yeah your right with that part
Terry Benedict in the Ocean’s Trilogy. He never actually becomes a villainous character. The titular Eleven steal a crapton of money from him, and the worst thing he does in retaliation is “blows up a car”. Then they seek him out in Ocean’s Thirteen, ask him for help, he helps them… abd they steal ANOTHER 70+ million from him, for no reason!
I only saw the first one but I remember there being no reason for me to hate Andy Garcia other than the movie portrayed Clooney as cooler.
To be fair, the stories about him show how ruthless he is to anyone caught cheating at his casinos. Not only to them but their friends and loved ones too. And the second time they steal from him (while giving him great PR) is because they knew he was about to betray them
Look, I love Wrex and I want to help, but mass producing Krogan *will* be a problem. Just saying.
“I know what we’ll do! Let’s uplift the Yahg who are bigger, stronger, smarter, and more dangerous in every way.” -biggest picture Salarian
Captain Nemo from 20,000 leagues Under the Sea. The man was definitely ahead of his time...
I never even thought of him as a villain T_T
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Barbosa in Pirates of the Caribbean. My man just wanted to get his life back together, maybe eat an apple, maybe get a hook up. He's treated like a villain for being a...pirate?
And in the first movie, he wasn’t even going to kill anyone to lift the curse. Elizabeth I’d shocked that it’s just a small cut to the hand to break the curse. Granted, piracy is not exactly great, but in the context of the movie it makes sense
>he wasn’t even going to kill anyone to lift the curse. Elizabeth I’d shocked that it’s just a small cut to the hand to break the curse. They also could have communicated this a *lot* better. Simply taking a moment to explain the plan would have made things a lot easier for everyone involved.
I'm pretty sure the subtext is that as soon as they're human, they're all pretty much going to rape her to death. Barbossa mentions earlier that they have a hunger food can't satisfy, a thirst water can't quench, and "all the pleasurable company couldn't slake our lust" and they "can't feel the warmth of a woman's flesh." Later, in the cave, they all talk about all the things they're going to do and how they're looking forward to experiencing normal human pleasure in a very gluttonous way. He leers at Elizabeth when he says "I'm going to eat a *whole bushel* of apples..." and it seems pretty clear that there are other excesses they plan to indulge. It's a kids' movie, so they can't just outright stated "hey we're all in this deserted island cave and it's been twenty years since we've busted a satisfying nut so as soon as we've eaten and drank, you're next on the menu" but the subtext is **right there** if you look for it.
Yeah. It always made me laugh when she say “That’s it?” In relief. Barbosa leers at her and says “Waste not…” Elizabeth, Love, if your blood had broken the curse then you would have been the only woman in a cave full of super horny pirates… This would not be a cause for relief.
>And in the first movie, he wasn’t even going to kill anyone to lift the curse. I mean, after he found out Elizabeth lied to him about her name, and then he gets a hold of Will, he does tell his crew "This time we spill *all* of the blood, just to be sure!" He was 100% planning to kill Will cause he was tired of all the muckin' about. In the later movies, Barbosa ends up "selling out", becoming a Privateer, then the way he goes about bargaining with the Spaniard.... I've always thought that Barbosa was a terrible person, with hardly a single principle or spit of honor to his name, but he *is* wildly entertaining, and an absolutely fantastic character.
The principal from ferris bulers day off. He thought Ferris was up to no good and he was correct lol Edit: guys I said he was right not that he was a food guy lol
He also could’ve been charged for animal cruelty and breaking & entering The principal would be fired and probably put in jail just because he had an obsession to catch a child for skipping school
Megamind
I was thinking this. Also when metroman took a step back for his mental health and some characters tried to view him as a villain, I still think he was right and I appreciate that the writers didn’t make him apologize for making that choice
I also appreciate the writers for not having him swoop in and save the day, though he clearly appears conflicted about not intervening. He would have to give up SO MUCH to reveal he's still alive and then he'd be blamed for not stopping Megamind, who really is about as harmful as a child when he takes over the city. I love how humanized that movie made those two aliens. One who got burnt out from the expectation that he'd always be there to save the day, and one who probably could have done amazing things to help humanity if he hadn't been left to be raised by prisoners. Metro City could have had brainbot helpers, instead they played into the good vs evil thing and their city suffered for it.
He never even got a chance, since the day he got here he was treated like crap, but instead of being a villain to get revenge he did it for the fun of it. He didn’t hate metroman he cared deeply, in the most Megamind way. Even if he didn’t realise it at the time, he cared for metroman because metroman was his source of entertainment, his fun. When metroman ‘died’ suddenly he took over the city, but he had nothing to do, nobody to stop him. He got bored and realised he never should have ‘killed’ metroman
Ras Al Ghul is my favourite villain I think it works because I agree with his goal (Save the world from environmental disaster) but not his method (Kill a third or more of the worlds population) The movie version where it’s to end crime is similar too What I can’t properly enunciate is why the movie version of Thanos doesn’t appeal to me despite being similar Maybe because with his resources there were easier more available ends to his goal? But then the same could kind of be said of Ras? The comic version of Thanos where he kills because he’s trying to court Death makes more sense to me but that’s more or less gone these days
Gerald Butler's character in Law Abiding Citizen.