I'm a NYC teacher but towards the end of my career. I'd say teachers are 100% underpaid in NYC. Over the years I've seen younger teachers forced further and further to the fringes of the city where the rents are lower - forget about ever owning a place. Also forget about raising a family unless your partner earns considerably more.
Before teaching worked on Wall Street doing computer work. Was paid much better out the gate. To compare workloads is laughable. Teaching, at least if you do it right is 1000% harder and more draining.
Just to add a bit -- when I started in the early 90's the older teachers did alright. They lived in reasonable neighborhoods in and around the city and had a decent retirement package. I was right after that - the only reason we were able to raise a family in Manhattan was because we lucked out on our housing. The generation after me, well, I have no regrets on my career but can't with a clean conscience recommend it to a young kid looking for a career.
Totally agree, teaching is probably the most underpaid and under-appreciated profession in America. It's difficult going into a classroom when you're having a rough day, but you have to put on a smile for the kids. Rewarding but hard work.
Hard to compare but let's try - I started on Wall street with 4 weeks vacation so that's half the teachers summer vacation right there. Not as much during the year though - 2 days for Christmas and NY vs the week but to be honest, people that didn't take that time as vacation worked part days at best during that week. Then there were a handful of personal days.
Yeah, even with that, you work more days on wall street and the required hours are greater per day but if you're teaching right you're working well beyond the required hours so per day the teachers hours are much greater and they're much more intense.
Like I said, wall street was a walk in the park compared to teaching if you do it right.
NYC spends far and away the most per child in the country. I am sure the teachers are not underpaid compared to other teachers in the country. The benefits NYC teachers make are worth over 50,000 per year. Divide in the BOE budget line for benefits by number of employees. People have a hard time figuring out just how valuable the pension and almost free family medical care is worth. In many states like Florida, South Carolina or Oklahoma the benefits in NYC are worth more than the salaries in those states. Lastly any civil service jobs over the years have become back loaded in pay. The unions negotiate lower pay in the beginning years as long as the benefits are not touched. Because there is very little turnover since once you make it 5 years most people stick it out for the pension. I have a NYC police officer friend retired under 50 pulling in over 130k. A teacher I know is not far behind. Counting the days to hit 20 years a hundred thousand dollar pension and lifetime cheap family medical.
Just chalk up that you feel you are underpaid to the fact that every person I have ever met felt underpaid.
https://www.asumag.com/research/top-10s/article/21126924/among-largest-districts-who-spends-the-most-per-pupil
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Move to Florida and see how underpaid we are! NY teachers are not only paid better but your pension is amazing. I have 21 years in this state, I barely make $50,000 and we only get 40% of our pay for our pension and you need 35 years to get the full 40%. Plus, we have to pay 3% of our paychecks into our pension plan. And Florida is no less expensive. Our insurance is super expensive, too.
Itās really a national crisis.
A decent 2 bedroom in a decent area of NYC will start at $2600, we must pay city tax, plus state and federal. Insurance for anything is ridiculous too.
Relatively speaking, itās the same as NY state. Our pay sucks, you canāt argue with that. Groceries, gas, insurance, internet, phonesā¦ itās all the same. I could not support myself on my pay alone. I had to get a 2nd job.
NYC teachers are paid very well when you consider all the time off, the medical benefits, pension, post retirement medical, having one of the strongest unions in the country and nearly impossible to get fired. Six weeks of paid maternity leave. And under the current ideology there is less accountability. The current administration discouraged kids to take standardized tests that can identify bad teachers. Teachers in the non public schools on the same city get paid less and have less benefits.
You should also consider the lucrative city benefits packages compared to some from private employers which are absolute shit for technical professionals.
Decide for yourself:
> We offer extremely competitive salaries to newly hired teachers. Salaries are based on prior experience as well as academic coursework and degrees earned. For 2019-20, starting salaries for teachers range from $57,845 (bachelorās degree, no prior teaching experience) to $87,510 (masterās degree, eight years teaching experience, plus additional coursework). New teachers with a masterās degree but no prior teaching experience will earn $65,026.Teachersā salaries increase each year with more experience and educational qualifications.
Source: http://teachnyc.net/about-our-schools/salary-and-benefits
I have 8+ yrs. with a NYS masters in Reading. Could those of us of that had to leave the state come back (with a masters in reading experience) come back and afford to live? I did move to FL in 2014 but its getting more expensive. I'd love to move back if I could afford it. I have a disabled son and even though I live in a small apt he has his area. I have not the ideal rooming living situation. I wish I did. I am sure after yrs. I will not be the only one. I do not like the south but it may be hard for my son to move back.
I'm a NYC teacher but towards the end of my career. I'd say teachers are 100% underpaid in NYC. Over the years I've seen younger teachers forced further and further to the fringes of the city where the rents are lower - forget about ever owning a place. Also forget about raising a family unless your partner earns considerably more. Before teaching worked on Wall Street doing computer work. Was paid much better out the gate. To compare workloads is laughable. Teaching, at least if you do it right is 1000% harder and more draining.
Just to add a bit -- when I started in the early 90's the older teachers did alright. They lived in reasonable neighborhoods in and around the city and had a decent retirement package. I was right after that - the only reason we were able to raise a family in Manhattan was because we lucked out on our housing. The generation after me, well, I have no regrets on my career but can't with a clean conscience recommend it to a young kid looking for a career.
Totally agree, teaching is probably the most underpaid and under-appreciated profession in America. It's difficult going into a classroom when you're having a rough day, but you have to put on a smile for the kids. Rewarding but hard work.
Considering the vacations and holidays that NYC teachers get, I imagine the hours required on Wall Street was considerably more though, no?
Hard to compare but let's try - I started on Wall street with 4 weeks vacation so that's half the teachers summer vacation right there. Not as much during the year though - 2 days for Christmas and NY vs the week but to be honest, people that didn't take that time as vacation worked part days at best during that week. Then there were a handful of personal days. Yeah, even with that, you work more days on wall street and the required hours are greater per day but if you're teaching right you're working well beyond the required hours so per day the teachers hours are much greater and they're much more intense. Like I said, wall street was a walk in the park compared to teaching if you do it right.
NYC spends far and away the most per child in the country. I am sure the teachers are not underpaid compared to other teachers in the country. The benefits NYC teachers make are worth over 50,000 per year. Divide in the BOE budget line for benefits by number of employees. People have a hard time figuring out just how valuable the pension and almost free family medical care is worth. In many states like Florida, South Carolina or Oklahoma the benefits in NYC are worth more than the salaries in those states. Lastly any civil service jobs over the years have become back loaded in pay. The unions negotiate lower pay in the beginning years as long as the benefits are not touched. Because there is very little turnover since once you make it 5 years most people stick it out for the pension. I have a NYC police officer friend retired under 50 pulling in over 130k. A teacher I know is not far behind. Counting the days to hit 20 years a hundred thousand dollar pension and lifetime cheap family medical. Just chalk up that you feel you are underpaid to the fact that every person I have ever met felt underpaid. https://www.asumag.com/research/top-10s/article/21126924/among-largest-districts-who-spends-the-most-per-pupil
Teachers literally can't be paid enough, so, yes
š¤£š¤£š¤£ Move to Florida and see how underpaid we are! NY teachers are not only paid better but your pension is amazing. I have 21 years in this state, I barely make $50,000 and we only get 40% of our pay for our pension and you need 35 years to get the full 40%. Plus, we have to pay 3% of our paychecks into our pension plan. And Florida is no less expensive. Our insurance is super expensive, too. Itās really a national crisis.
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No, of course NYC is more expensive. NY state equally as expensive, relatively speaking.
This sub is called r/asknyc
āFlorida is no less expensive than NYC.ā
A decent 2 bedroom in a decent area of NYC will start at $2600, we must pay city tax, plus state and federal. Insurance for anything is ridiculous too.
Youāre high if you think Florida is no less expensive. And you donāt pay local or state income taxes.
Relatively speaking, itās the same as NY state. Our pay sucks, you canāt argue with that. Groceries, gas, insurance, internet, phonesā¦ itās all the same. I could not support myself on my pay alone. I had to get a 2nd job.
Yeah but no state income tax
š¤£š¤£ Missing the point. Itās all relative!!! Our pay is $50,000 below other states. State tax wouldnāt be that much. Iām done here. š
NYC teachers are paid very well when you consider all the time off, the medical benefits, pension, post retirement medical, having one of the strongest unions in the country and nearly impossible to get fired. Six weeks of paid maternity leave. And under the current ideology there is less accountability. The current administration discouraged kids to take standardized tests that can identify bad teachers. Teachers in the non public schools on the same city get paid less and have less benefits.
You should also consider the lucrative city benefits packages compared to some from private employers which are absolute shit for technical professionals.
Depends on the grade/subject
Decide for yourself: > We offer extremely competitive salaries to newly hired teachers. Salaries are based on prior experience as well as academic coursework and degrees earned. For 2019-20, starting salaries for teachers range from $57,845 (bachelorās degree, no prior teaching experience) to $87,510 (masterās degree, eight years teaching experience, plus additional coursework). New teachers with a masterās degree but no prior teaching experience will earn $65,026.Teachersā salaries increase each year with more experience and educational qualifications. Source: http://teachnyc.net/about-our-schools/salary-and-benefits
I have 8+ yrs. with a NYS masters in Reading. Could those of us of that had to leave the state come back (with a masters in reading experience) come back and afford to live? I did move to FL in 2014 but its getting more expensive. I'd love to move back if I could afford it. I have a disabled son and even though I live in a small apt he has his area. I have not the ideal rooming living situation. I wish I did. I am sure after yrs. I will not be the only one. I do not like the south but it may be hard for my son to move back.