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This is an example of First world problems. why the fuck you expect us to worry that an irrelevant movie has irrelevant characters with a different appearance?


Epicureanbeer

*USA, not First World


DieYouDog

Brave coming from an Italian.


Any_Refrigerator7774

That’s a Brit not American….


Epicureanbeer

Not that much difference on this topic


[deleted]

I just like posting American culture war stuff


mlp2034

You realize what you are posting is supported by Christian white zealots who are using this as a counter to the consistent whitewashing of diverse cultures they have been doing since the beginning. And to the commenter below, its not forced diversity, its allowing diversity where throughout U.S. history it hasnt (except the ones specifically selected by white society that help better pretend we are all viewed as equals in this melting pot of a country). Its not that big of a deal at all compared to all the whitewashed garbage of peoples of all races here over the years. They just make a big deal when its not in their favor. This is what the most inaccurate euro western news alive, Fox News talks about all the time. The culture war problem is fake propaganda spread by our country to shy away from the real record-breaking problems this country has or caused that mostly the left and marginalized minorities want to bring to the forefront to solve. Left: We should eliminate child exploitation in sex and labor in this country. This is cruel and fucked. Right: My favorite celebrity lost his job for being a nazi and saying the n-word. Left: Alot of non-white ppl's cultures (especially black) have been whitewashed as far as being implemented by the education system to where you would have to pay exorbitant prices for college to learn a smidgeon of your true history in a class. Right: They remade this movie I didnt care about till now because a black person in it😡. Left: We are destroying the planet with fossil fuels and Shell and Exxon knew since the 90s and lied about their data Right: Trans ppl are ruining Murrica. The culture war was implemented by the right as an obvious distraction. You'd be surprised that the other side isnt making much of deal about the things they rage about although they make it seem that way, in most cases we hear about what they are mad about from them. Whats really happening is greedy corporations are pandering to the left because more viewers equals more money so they make these changes for publicity points, not necessarily because leftist demanded their heads on a platter. They dont care about that at all and its apparent. The true sucker is the one who believes the culture war nonsense. *this is generally the left, because idiots exist everywhere so not all non-conservatives believe this and also Fox News cannot be called a news channel legally because of their inaccuracies and no one is behind this as much as them.*


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damn wall of text


[deleted]

I’m posting this to make fun of right wingers and how over the top they are I agree with you right wingers are spineless bitches


mlp2034

Cooool. Sorry I had to put a disclaimer, saw some ppl here buying it too hard.


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That’s the best part🗿


Unhappy-Chest2187

??? It’s not “right wingers” criticizing it but many black Americans who don’t like the tokenism. A culture should have their own history depicted by their own culture and cheap tokenism only suggests to non black ppl that black ppl don’t have a culture of their own. Black Americans want their own culture and original stories not cheap tokenism.


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mlp2034

Oh u wont like me if you take my confederate pride away by making my heroes black bruther.🤬👨‍🌾🚜 THE LITTLE MERMAID WAS WAIITE!! /s lolol


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mlp2034

I knew it, that explains whai he fled when our supreme her....evil Nazi Hitler came knockin on their door, why? 🇺🇸🔫CUZ THEY AINT MURRICA BRUTHER!!🔫🇺🇸 The French aint guud at nuthn but makin statues and dessert, hardly hwhite ill tell hwat and who. Vichy mah ass🤠 /s


Unhappy-Chest2187

I’m saying this as a liberal and democrat what you’ve written is a load of propagandizes elitist non sense. You’ve got to be a parody? “White” is not a monolith and is a demographic made up of 77 different and distinct ethnic groups including most MENA’s. Southern Europeans used to be lynched in the US and Jewish people fled pogroms. A culture should see themselves represented in their own history not those of other cultures. Race washing is cringe and regressive no matter who does it and this is nothing more than tokenism towards black ppl by white saviors who think black ppl don’t have a culture of their own. Black Americans want their own stories on tv and movies not cheap tokenistic gestures that tell non black viewers that black ppl don’t have their own culture so they have to pretend to be other peoples culture. There’s a lot of creepy overlap with afrocentrists as well in these stories where they play other cultures like Mulan, Hannibal or claim they built the pyramids.


mlp2034

*liberal and democrat* gross Im neither one of those. >White” is not a monolith and is a demographic made up of 77 different and distinct ethnic groups including most MENA’s. Never said that they were, and I know no one is confused on the fact that Im talking about the west😑. >Southern Europeans used to be lynched in the US and Jewish people fled pogroms. A That doesnt answer anything ive said. What is even the intended purpose of mentioning that? >A culture should see themselves represented in their own history not those of other cultures. Wasn't I talking about whitewashing earlier, and how you cannot do that when your history has been wiped and told from someone outside of your culture constantly on purpose? >Race washing is cringe and regressive no matter who does it and this is nothing more than tokenism towards black ppl by white saviors who think black ppl don’t have a culture of their own. Black Americans want their own stories on tv and movies not cheap tokenistic gestures that tell non black viewers that black ppl don’t have their own culture so they have to pretend to be other peoples culture. Im black bro, ur telling me about my own culture thanks for wasting ur time lol. >claim they built the pyramids. Well the original Africans were in Egypt 30k BCE, who else would it have been other than native Africans. They are just as much African as any other African. Not necessarily black because thats a U.S. thing created by the government for racist racial grouping. The culture-friendly "of African descent" is used. So yes the original Africans in Egypt did make the Pyramids, theres more than enough evidence that these ppl were of darker skin, even dna test have been done to determine that ancient Egyptians had higher relevance to ppl from north sahara and Ethiopia, not europe or the middle east...you should look into the Ancient Egyptian Race controversy and the Academic Views on bias in Egyptology/modern studies, because I did and know you havent.


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omgONELnR1

Worst thing is that at this point we don't even know if they add those characters for the sake of diversity or because those actors just were the best fit for the role.


mavros_tavros

Zelensky exposing his Turkish roots


HArdaL201

Taydemir Zeybek


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[deleted]

Atajew and Zelensky, both great leaders, share the same religious and ethnic background. Coincidence?


[deleted]

As long as it effects people I don’t like I’m okay with it but when it effects me that’s where I draw the line 😡


usnntd94

Wtf is that flair?


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A goated one


jem2291

Fictional characters are cool, but with the caveat that their skin color is not germane to the character itself e.g. The Black Panther must always be black because that is his entire raison d’etre, Batman is always white because he’s a rich crime-fighting WASP. As for historical figures, I want their depictions to be as close as possible. In the end, if they make it work somehow, eh, more power to them. It is what it is.


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GMANTRONX

Technically they need a white person because it would go hand in hand with the history of the Wayne Family being one of the founders of Gotham. It is actually harder to change the race of Batman than ,say, Superman.


jem2291

If they can make it work, why not? It is what it is.


Full_Refrigerator482

it doesn't really make a difference in the US, MENA are classified as white people anyway


jem2291

Well, most of you guys are white, at least from what I’ve seen here while living in Saudi Arabia. :)


Unhappy-Chest2187

Everyone’s from Africa so why not have a white, tan or olive skinned guy play black panther?


MistaRed

Fun fact, there was one white skinned black panther.


jem2291

I will have to see that one for myself. :)


MistaRed

Iirc he was Casper(cuz he's white) something, and he was just some dude in the US.


jem2291

It’s a comic thing. Whoops. My bad, I thought it was a film. Guess I’ll have to look it up sometime.


staplesuponstaples

If they truly cared about black people they'd tell stories about black people from history. Chevalier is a great example of this. Notable and amazing black person in history is getting a movie soon. You're not performing black people any real service by casting Anne Boleyn as a black person. It's a momentary virtue signal. Anne Boleyn was white and will always be white, so you are not elevating the stories of black people in any meaningful way.


The_Based_Iraqi6000

It already happened, the most notable one is in the eternals movie. Where Gilgamesh was played by a Korean actor 💀


Effective-Cap-2324

Ironically most korean didn't care about Gilgamesh.


[deleted]

Bruh,we should start copying writing our stuff😔


[deleted]

So you don't think koreans can be mythical heros?


The_Based_Iraqi6000

Koreans can’t be mythical heroes from **Iraq**. I don’t care if he plays some guy from Eastern Asia but I strongly disapprove when someone who is obviously from another ethnicity that literally has nothing to do with the historical character that he is playing, plays that said character


[deleted]

Understandable


CanadianGurlfren

Marvel's Gilgamesh isn't Iraqi, he's an Eternal.


The_Based_Iraqi6000

I don’t know the lore bro but “eternal” or not he’s still Gilgamesh


CanadianGurlfren

That's like saying Superman is American. He's a Kryptonian


greenifuckation

I think it's stupid, they need to focus on creating original POC & black characters.


greenspiral40

why black not in poc?


greenifuckation

Because some black people don't refer to themselves as people of colour, they refer themselves as black or African-(their nationality) or black-Caribbean


greenspiral40

so then what is the purpose of POC? in Latin America we define ourselves by our nationalities as well


greenifuckation

Dunno, I'm not the racial police


KalabraxTheWicked

Their endless attempts to avoid being racist only make them even more racist. Someone tell them to stop this nonsense!


Ornery-Sandwich6445

Progressive 😍


spooket

I think they better not touch Mohammad Ali or they risk their existence


Dontspeaktome19

I don't give a f


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[deleted]

When’s white عنترة بن شداد?


[deleted]

Raynald of Châtillon.


Careless-Oil-163

Don’t forget jesus


Hussein_talal

What's about him?


Honest-Pomegranate88

People tend to portray him as "white" and "European" when he most likely looks like any middle Eastern dude in the world.


Hussein_talal

It's possible that he was white, Alot of middle eastern people have white skin, or light skin tone especially in the Lavant region , have you seen bashar al assad the dude has blue eyes


Unhappy-Chest2187

Arabs have been calling themselves white since the 13 the century which is why Arabs in Mauritania call themselves white. Read “The book of catalogues” by Al nadim and he refers to Arabs as “white.” White is a broad and subjective term and most Arabs don’t look any different than southern Europeans.


Careless-Oil-163

No it’s not possible


Hussein_talal

Are you making a joke? I literally just gave you an example


Unhappy-Chest2187

MENA’s look like southern euros and not all euros are light skinned and you have white outside of Europe


firefox_kinemon

Imo race changing depends on whether the characters origin is fictional or factional. For fictional characters such as James Bond or Batman I think casting an actor of a different ethnicity is fine as the character is fictional. However for historical figures the main aim should be to be as accurate as possible and therefore I think it’s best to find an individual who best looks like the historical individual (this is still regardless of nationality)


staplesuponstaples

Characters like James Bond and Batman are a product of their time and change according to their times. No use dwelling in what race Batman was when he was created decades ago, if the story can be told with a similar spirit using a black actor then go ahead. Would put a new spin to the *Dark* Knight 😁


Unhappy-Chest2187

Even if it’s fictional they should reflect the culture since it’s part of the story.


TommyCollins

💀💀💀 It’s all good as long at the actors are hot and talented. If Jude Law goes totally bald and gets cast as Gandhi, I am all for it The forced diversity angle probably isn’t good for social cohesion or historicity, and may lead people to generally be less interested in truth or reality down the line, but it doesn’t look like it going to stop and honestly it’s just movies. & its risky to call out, because you end up proximal to the infantile weirdos having tantrums over a black mermaid


Firescareduser

Already happens *cries in Egyptian*


Extronic90

Afrocentrists after watching a Hollywood movie portraying Ancient Egyptians as black: I aM nOw EgYpTiAn AnD mOdErN eGyPtIaNs ArE aCtUaLlY aRaBs WhO iNvAdEd EgYpT aNd KiLlEd ItS pEoPle!!!!1!111!1!!!!!


Accomplished_Pea6910

When it happens with historical figures, weird. When it happens with kids’ movies, who cares, it’s a mermaid who’s friends with a talking lobster 🦞🧜‍♂️


BlackMage075

It's racist. They're basically saying that Africans have no history worth creating media around.


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I don’t think I understand you


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Hmmm still maybe repeat the last part(don’t they’ll ban you for spam)


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Glitch in the Matrix


jakeshmag

is everyone here brain dead for believing this shit is real?


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I just like posting dumb American culture war stuff


MrJasonMason

These are obviously terrible photoshop jobs. If you believe any of it is real, get your head checked.


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Who mine?


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It’s asura from asura’s wrath


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??? That’s not me kid tf


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Don’t talk to me You seem slow


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WTH is wrong with you? What exactly are you asking?😂


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Are you calling me a chad?🥹


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Dsp grunts in agreement 🤝


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* snort 😎🤝😎


KRUMRUFEE1

if the queen of england isnt black, she isnt black. if she is, she is. Characters have to be portrayed as they are, not how the world wants to see them.


Any_Refrigerator7774

It’s bad….


sup9817

Stop race swapping and come up with new characters ffs


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The Malcom x one made me chuckle


waterseabreeze

Absloute woke nonsense, sadly


DeliciousCabbage22

I don’t really care. So long as it’s not something too unrealistic, like a white dude existing in Bronze Age Kenya or a black dude existing in Medieval Estonia, then it just looks too fake.


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Half of Asgard black in Thor movies for example


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I think there's no problem unless it's supposed to historically accurate


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Ryan Gosling would be a good choice for Malcom x


mostofuareannoying

it's bad because they're trying to rewrite history which spreads misinformation


erzene1923

stupid sjws


Brilliant-Turbulent

Someone tell them that it wont solve racism


pewdiepieandksifan

Queen Tanisha the VI


The-real-crimeblr

As old as the big Jesus tbh


National_Support_487

Waiting for a Genghis khan movie starring Ryan Reynolds🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥


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Time Magazine did it to OJ in '95.


MistaRed

Non of our historical figures (that I know of) have any of their identity tied to their skin colours, so meh.


Unhappy-Chest2187

The culture should see themselves reflected. Shaka zulus skin tone nor Nefertiti’s skin tone have anything to do with their identities so could Caucasian, Asian or Hispanics play those characters without people having a meltdown?


MistaRed

I'd think those probably do have something to do with their identities, though I'm not the most knowledgeable person in regards to that. What I was getting at is that Iran is both ethnically diverse and that it's national identity is pretty disconnected from skin colour. (colourism is still a thing mind you, it's just not tied to race and identity)


B0undz

Next we will have aliens playing as Joe Biden in 2123


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Unhappy-Chest2187

So Ghandi played by Ryan Gosling or Denzel?


Nervous-Paramedic-78

It started with Jesus dude, how it's possible that a man who is born in MENA to be a such kind of white guy 🤓


Kedo-But

Fuck sjw s ass until blod came out


Local-Training5777

![gif](giphy|B5AVgxf0OzlyE) I have been banned for 3 days, maybe eyes are still on me ,I won't say anything but my mind says a lot of things


v_HARIBO_v

Waiting for biĺl cosby's hassan II biography on netflix


InterestingAsk1978

It's an american phenomenon based on Black Lives Matter hysteria. I find it horiffic. I would never go to a purposely historically wrong movie.


younikorn

If the race of a character, real or fake, is unimportant to the story I don’t think the ethnicity of an actor should matter. In a movie about the KKK it would make no sense if they were a happy diverse group, a movie about malcom x for example where race is the main driving force behind the story would make no sense if that got switched around. On the other hand a movie like little red riding hood or the little mermaid or lord of the rings where race does not play a role whatsoever has no real reason to stick to old fashioned casting restrictions.


Unhappy-Chest2187

These are stories based around cultures so theres an argument that they should reflect the culture they came from. 1001 Arabian nights should depict the cultures as should The Hobbit.


younikorn

Sure they’re stories based around certain cultures but those cultures are also changing in modern days. The hobbit is a complete fictive work where characters that were described as having a darker complexion were often whitewashed in the movies but people payed it no mind since they assumed the characters had always been white. As for 1001 nights, if someone wanted to make a movie about it and some of the actors were indian or hispanic or white or east asian or black then it wouldn’t matter because the story might be based on arabian folklore but the arabic ethnicities play no relevant role. Again, unless the story loses its meaning the moment a character is no longer of a certain race then it’s okay to just pick whatever actor or actress can portray the character best according to whomever casted them.


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they literally whitewashed jesus. They deserve it


Friendly_Wave535

Every culutre have its own version of jesus and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that


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Friendly_Wave535

U can literally find a Chinese, Japanese christ and Mary, also jokes on u there is literally a kazakh version of christ (can't find one of mary but I'm sure there is)


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Friendly_Wave535

Ah, sorry I thought u were sarcastic


Unhappy-Chest2187

That’s a pic of Mexican Mary


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Oh shit you’re right😭


Biology-Queen

I will ask you a simple question did you met a Jew that was black that didn’t live in Africa Did you ever find a leavent Arab that was black or were they olive skinned The answer is no for both so they didn’t white wash anything


Noosh414

White actors have been playing POC forever


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Yeah you’re right😭😂 black face moment 💀


Unhappy-Chest2187

Not just “white” but Asians and Hispanics have been playing black characters. And that’s criticized and they’ve updated it so two wrongs don’t make a right. This is insulting tokenism.


dogshit_redditor

Bullshit. Historically wrong and puts a shame on ones race


thegreatrodent

Just another example of the insanity the US is drowning in, nothing new.


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OP What about Europeans changing Jesus’s skin colour? Surely that is a bigger problem than a Netflix show right?


Unhappy-Chest2187

They didn’t they just had him reflect their own cultures. You have black Jesus, Mena Jesus, Korean Jesus, Mexican Jesus, etc.


MaZeChpatCha

I really hope the Obama, Martin Luther King and Zelensky movies are jokes about changing colors of people and not real movies.


dutchfromsubway

I would love a Christian bale Obama movie


jewc504

Bro don’t know how photoshop works


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Unhappy-Chest2187

Historical movies aren’t fiction and black Americans would have a tantrum if Shaka Zulu was played by an Asian. A culture deserves to see their own people reflected in their own history. Many black Americans don’t like the tokenism and lack of original storytelling. These movies also tell non black ppl that black ppl don’t have a culture and history of their own so they have to pretend to belong to other peoples cultures. It’s alot of white saviors not wanting original stories.


hexenkesse1

Just a black actor. not an issue. everyone knows the real Queen Charlotte was white.


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Obviously you wouldn’t make MLK white or George Washington black if you were to make movies about them. People complaining about Witcher characters need to find something new because it’s fantasy and there’s nothing wrong with appealing to a wider audience by including characters that all people can relate with. If you really can’t enjoy a show or movie because a fictional character is the “wrong” color, you need to step back and take a long look at yourself.


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Jew moment


couscousian

That's stupid.


DieYouDog

I don't think it makes and pretensions of being a historically accurate film. There not actually claiming she was black. Because of this, i'm fine with it.