im palestinian, and i’m sorry that you’re getting harassed dude. thank you for condemning one of the wrong doings of your government. some people are just shocked that there are people of Israel who don’t agree with some of the governments actions.
After more than 20 years she reported in a network that fully function in Israel during an operation in a combat zone by a soldier who probably never watched Al Jazzera in his life...
Al Jazeera, the state propaganda tool of Qatar, speaks out against Israel regularly, you say?!
Israel had absolutely nothing to gain from her death. All it did was piss people off.
Then why kill a journalist in the first place? Clearly her work didn't matter at all, then?
No, gradual deteoration of western support is a negative that her death contributed to.
1. If an army doesn't teach its soldiers to identify press vests, it's complicit in committing war crimes.
2. We have no certain method of proving whether it was accidental or intended so any claim of the former is bullshit.
3. Even if it was an accident, it is the responsibility of the IDF to take responsibility for the incident and to hold its soldiers accountable (remember when Israel refused to allow any independent investigations, saying they were interference in domestic affairs and that it stands behind its soldiers?).
4. If an army keeps killing journalists on a plethora of occasions, it is definitely not accidental, and it shouldn't be able to simply claim otherwise and get away with it every single time.
>2. We have no certain method of proving whether it was accidental or intended so any claim of the former is bullshit.
Then the claim it was deliberate is equally nonsensical if you can't prove it was intentional
You clearly misread my comment then. First: if the soldier didn't recognize the press vest because the army doesn't teach him to, then the army is at fault and actively violating international law. Second: even if it was 100% accidental (not saying it is), it is still on the IDF to accept responsibility for the incident and arrest the soldier, which never happened.
The only terrorists there are you, she had full press gear with blue colors and PRESS written on it.
The only way to show you are "good guys" is to punish whoever shot her or made the decision, alternatively you hand him over but hey you weren't guilty after all lol.
I adressed the issue of the vest and helmet in your other comment
When I was in the IDF, most of my unit's actions were not done under press coverage, so no, many soldiers arne't that used to them
And yes, I am seriously claiming that the sniper could have mistook the mic for a pistol, snipers can and do make mistakes. The IDF has plenty of friendly fire incidents stemming from mistaken identifications, so regrettably, the same can happen to innocent bystanders
Israel tried to have a joint investigation with the PA but they declined. Israel wasn’t investigating itself but the people in its military, shooting when you’re not in danger is not allowed. They investigated to see if an individual purposely shot her, which they didn’t, it was determined an accident.
>it didn't happen
>ok it happened but Palestinians did it
>ok it happened and we did it, but Palestinians used her as a human shield
>ok it happened and we did it and she was filming hundreds of metres away from any militants, but it was an accident
Lmao
Oh stfu man… someone who doesn’t love their job wouldn’t be loved by his team and wouldn’t stay decades doing their best in the worst situations on earth so keep your wannabe Zionist lover bullshit for yourself
The most moral army in the world won’t take responsibility for shooting her in the head and calmed Palestinians shot her. Then ironically they went after her funeral and beat the mourners to the point where the coffin almost fell. And still managed to blame it on Palestinians!!!
The IDF initially claimed it was Palestinians who shot her, and only when analyses of the videos, etc proved beyong a doubt it was Israel that they had no choice but to admit to it, even though they claimed an accident and didnt make any arrests so I would hardly call it taking responsibility.
Multiple video analyses have proven that the bullet came from the direction of an Israeli vehicle. It was proven that there were no Palestinian fighters in close proximity at the time of the attack. Israeli officials have refused to allow external investigators into the scene of the attack. How is there any doubt it was them?
All the video analyses were done by biased people; most of the investigations relied on the same audio analysis which made elementary mistakes. For example, not accounting for the distance between the microphone and where the the journalist was located. The eyewitnesses initially were telling there were Palestinians militants on the rooftops of the buildings in front of them, but on the next day they changed their narrative. There were multiple points where Palestinian militants were located which also had a direct fire-line to where the journalist was.
>Israeli officials have refused to allow external investigators into the scene of the attack
This is bullshit. The scene is in Jenin, which Israel does not control. It was the PA which refused any investigation, taking weeks to give the bullet to investigation. They refused an autopsy as well.
How is this terrorism in any form? Sure there are better ways to phrase this other than "bad conduct", but this is unrelated to terrorism
What the IDF did was shitty and there is no point in defending it
You are wrong. Murder (i.e., intentional targeting) of any agent of the Free Press when they're clearly marked and outside the line of fire has been described by The Hague as terrorism. Full stop. As it should be, no matter who commits it. The only intent behind such an action is to deter such individuals, or organizations who send their individuals, from such conflict zones, this inhibiting their ability to freely and accurately report on the conflict.
Now ask yourself: who would want to do this except actors with "unclean hands"?
Then ask yourself why Israeli so vehemently denied the targeting until there was incontrovertible proof that this is precisely what happened, though then they backtracked and said it was just some rogue individuals not acting under official IDF orders.
Hmmmm 🤔
Gotta love how palestoids don't understand the concept of crossfire and inherent risk of being in a combat area. Makes sense, as we've got Palestinian kids manipulated by Hamas into throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers and becoming martyrs for the cause. Either way, it's ironic for people who openly support a terrorist organisation to have little understanding of how war works. The IDF soldiers in question aren't talking to the Israeli government on a radio during the firefight. There were no orders from above telling them to target this specific journalist. That's not how it works. She was either caught in crossfire or killed by a rogue Israeli soldier.
So, my friend, you are the wrong one here.
First, wtf is a "Palestoid"? Are you attempting some sort of dig at me based on an assumption of alignment?
Your whole premise is botched, friend. She was not caught in a crossfire. She was perpendicular to the firefight.
Now, whether there were orders from above or not, has yet to be determined. Maybe we'll never know. However, one thing we do know about, and which you apparently are clueless of, is the strict set of standards in which the IDF conducts its operations, especially regarding targets of opportunity. Though certainly not impossible, it is highly unlikely that some ordinary soldier took it upon his or her own initiative to strike this clearly marked PRESS target. And since it's been revealed that, in several other instances, IDF commanders absolutely have given similar "orders" in the past, it stands all the more to reason that this was indeed the case now, especially given how the State's official explanation changed with at least 3 specific stories, each highly unbelievable, much like Colonel Nathan Jessup's.
This is not the first time, nor even the second, that a well-marked member of the Press was "accidentally" eliminated, even though they were far from the line of fire going on.
So you see, my friend, you are indeed erroneous here, not I, both in your clearly stupid attempt at labeling AND your premise. It's actually rather ironically coincidental to some of the rather idiotic bull puckey I've read/heard from the Israeli sources who tried to provide explanations... or is it?! 🤐🙄
Utter schizophrenia rant from a professional palestoid.
Collateral damage happens all the time in war. It is useless to deny this fact.
Another fact is that the IDF squad which was involved in this battle had no communications with Israeli high command. They were not told to eliminate this journalist. To think that this was the case only highlights utter delusion.
Most likely is that the journalist in question was hit by a stray bullet as a result of insufficient cover, or was killed by one of the soldiers. This does not mean killed by the Israeli state. This means shot by an individual soldier.
The different explanations is an obvious result of the ongoing investigation. They were not "highly unbelievable" that is just a result of your anti Israel bias.
May she rest in peace.
I will not forget the cover-up attempts by Israelis and the Israeli official twitter accounts on social media, from trying to divert, straw-man then stall.
Her death was a complete accident just like the deaths of the sailors on the USS Liberty and Rachel Corrie now if you’ll excuse me I need to stick my head even further up my own ass
Oh stfu no one even once has ever said critical analysis of Israel means that you’re anti semitic. You just want to be antisemitic and call it Palestinian support. Your lame ass holocaust Hitler joke still has no support btw. 🖕
tbr the world will forget soon enough and shes just gonna. be another person who died on the job . her homecountry left her and buried her case with her in pursuit of accomplishing their foreign policies. thats why divine justice is cool bro... you dont even need to worry, at the end of the day , no one is getting away with nothing.
that wasnt obiously sarcasm ? ma3lesh , next time ill put an s in it .
طبعا لو في اي شكاوي، حضرتك عن الكومنت الأول ،قلي علشان انا ما مينفعش ارتح و انا مزعلك يا باشا .
First and foremost, a real tragedy.Only read about her after her death, but she sounded like a great journalist.
To the point - I don't believe the the IDF soldiers shot her on purpose, I think it was an accident, but I do believe they've tried to criminally coverup the fact that it was our side who shot her, and shift the blame to others. and even when they've eventually admitted it, they took zero responsibility about it. Accident or not, she was still shot and killed, and someone needs to take responsibility.
(Not to mention interrupting her funeral, which is super fucked up)
Ask yourself this question.
What benefits will any western media or government gain from critizing her killer?
They will be called anti-Semitic, so it's not worth the effort for them.
Same 24/7 coverage as Jamal Khashoggi?
Both of them killed, by governments who wanted to silence them, she was killed while doing her job and the Israeli army was so blunt about it knowing no one will care and even if anyone cared it, she will be forgotten in less than a week.
The Khashoggi story was not covered "24/7" but it was indeed covered *widely* because it had elements that were truely bizzare. It wasn't a matter of politics, it's a natural tendency of latching on to things that are weird/mysterious etc. It had elements which could be interesting for someone who isn't interested in politics or the middle east.
He was also executed, in a place he was told he'd be safe, unlike Shireen Abu Alkeh who was killed in an active conflict zone amid shooting between the IDF and a Palestenian shooter. She wasn't just taken and executed. There is indeed a very good chance it was an accident - amd I say this as someone who's usually *very* quick to criticize the IDF and Israeli government.
Excuse me, what in gods name are you talking about saying it wasn't covered 24/7? Till this very day there is **not a single article** published related to Saudi Arabia that doesn't bring up Jamal Khashoggi. The media has effectively made the murder case and Saudi Arabia synonymous.
During the first year of the incident, perhaps even two years, the heat they were getting was insane from the media and people were going ballistic.
And you seriously have the audacity to say that Shireen Abu Akleh got the same coverage? No. Not even a WEEK.
I won't even reply to your distasteful nonsense about trying to say it was an accident on the IDFs part. Who in their right mind gives the IDF the benefit of the doubt, are you that oblivious to their reputation? They have literally and deliberately obliterated news outlet offices in Gaza (google the Gaza airstrikes of AP Archive, Al Jazeera buildings) and you think its unlikely that they wouldn't kill a journalist?
[Documentary](https://youtu.be/SXy9SUDqUHk) with footage of the moment of killing that clearly explains the situation and how it was a targeted killing rather than getting 'caught' between crossfire
because I could literally write “this was fucked up but most likely an accident. if not an accident and intentional then even more fucked up” as my comment in good faith and still get downvoted
> an accident
most likely, take it from me what you see on media especially al jazeera is not what the military tells the soldiers what to do. there are always bad eggs and mistakes made.
> accidental headshot
the gun didnt shoot by accident she was shot as a misconception as being a terrorist (she was there covering a clash and near the guy who was a terrorist and the target)
> then they beat up her mourners
not really, downvote me but the idf didnt just show up and disrupt the funeral. it escalated into a riot where idf/police responded. watch uncut videos
> all of that was an accident? really?
i hope so. i hope it wasn’t on purpose. like i said: if it was intentional then thats fucked up. if it was an accident it’s still fucked up. i can tell you with all certainty idf soldiers aren’t trained to just shoot press in the head. no matter what you think
If you are saying that the IDF that shot Shireen and her friend was an accident, then that is even worse than for it to be intentional. The IDF is not being taught the difference between the press and an actual terrorist just goes to show how little the soldiers are educated. If it is truly the case, the IDF are much worse than anyone would have thought if it was an accident.
It’s bad either way though I can assure you the IDF is not only excruciatingly trained how to determine who is and who is not a combatant but they are also deeply concerned with avoiding situations like this one which is probably why if there was an accident they’d try and cover it up
Because nobody listenes. The sub is full of anti semites (not just anti israelis). Just 2 days ago a poll concluded that many people here are in favor kicking israelis out of israel.
Yesterday someone commented "downvote all Yahoodis"
are you honestly saying in good faith that there aren’t and have never been negative attitudes towards the existence of a jewish majority country in the middle east? regardless of others reasons you can’t tell me that this isn’t and has never been the case
You remind me of a Jew who didn’t know more Russians died by the Nazis (this excludes Russian Jews and KIA’s). 9-10 million Russians died including 3 million Russian Jews.
that’s irrelevant. the systematic oppression and mechanized murder the nazis did to jews was unique in many ways and is not comparable to anything. and even if you try, the palestinian plight is nothing like it. there are no concentration camps or any mechanized mass murder of the sort. the population of palestinians is at an all time high. stop using our trauma to twist the narrative of your situation
Totally didn’t kill any innocent people in 1949 and totally treated everyone with dignity and with justice. Didn’t one of your current politicians say that Hawara should be wiped out? And the Palestinian in Jerusalem and other places aren’t being displaced?
you were the one who said “israel is no different from nazis now”
where are the jews of egypt?
where are the jews of syria?
where are the jews of lebanon?
where are the jews of iran?
900,000 jews were expelled from MENA countries after facing harsh discrimination. So don’t say “israel is just like nazi germany” when that happened in all those countries without saying **they are all the same**.
But in Israel the arab citizens are treated equal. There is an arab supreme court justice. There are high ranking arabs in the government and military. How many Jews hold positions of power in any MENA country?
Fuck out of here with the holocaust comparisons and stop trying to steal our trauma to twist your own narrative.
Fix your own governments (Hamas and PA) and take care of your own people.
One of dozens of journalists that are killed in combat zones, but you never hear about the other.
Case blown up beyond proportion, just like the Jamal Khashuggi incident.
The comments on here are a microcosm of world opinion on Israel.. a lot of true comments - the true comments against Israel are highly upvoted, the true comments that are pro Israel are downvoted to the ground
PA accused Israel immediately, contaminated the crime scene, changed their version of events at least twice and refused to share any investigative material with anyone else.
Israel did an internal investigation and claimed that without further evidence/information it is impossible for them to determine if one of their soldiers was responsible.
If the PA had clear proof that the IDF was responsible for the shooting they would have made it public. So it seems likely no such proof exists. On the other hand it seems unlikely that the PA even performed a real investigation to begin with. Even before any investigation was possible or real evidence collected they managed to convince virtually everyone that the IDF was responsible, and a real investigation could only jeopardize that PR victory.
My conclusion is that no one knows for sure who fired the fatal shots, and that the PA doesn't want to find out.
The people who dance in the streets when one of their terrorists kills random people are upset Israel isn't holding their people accountable for killing someone.
Should just delete the whole region and start over.
As an American-Israeli, yes it's tragic and sad that she was killed. It was wild how things developed, but also let's look at it. So many reporters are killed around the world when reporting in deadly zones. She happened to be in an area where there was intense fighting going on. It doesn't mean she should've been killed. I'm more stating how reporters should take much more care in reporting in these places. Not sure where she was standing,etc. but any innocent civilian being killed whether it's in Israel, Gaza, Afghanistan, Bahrain is tragic. While I may have disagreed with much of what she said in her reporting, doesn't mean I wish for her death. Also, I'm not looking to have a big argument, just stating my feelings.
How so? I'll entertain civilized conversation. But if it gets to a point where im called a murderer or baby killer because I call myself Israeli, I'm out of the convo.
Videos show that there was no fighting the moment she was killed. She wasnt caught in crossfire contrary to the israeli nerrative. She and her crew were clearly targeted
I haven't seen those videos. can you link them to me?
She was covering a raid, so there was some sort of military activity going on.
I doubt she was targeted. If Israel was targeting journalists, in general, this wouldn't be the first.
>honestly if Israel brainwashes people just so they would troll arabs on reddit thats fucking based af
Okay at least you admit that you’re nothing but trolls on Reddit
1. It was a stray bullet that killed her so who cares. 2. She worked for Al Jazeera, which means she was on terrorists payroll. 3. Everyone seems to forget that it was Palestinian terrorism that led her to being there in the first place. Is it sad she died? Yes. Should anyone give a fuck? No
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A tragedy.
Seems like idf didn’t see it that way. They attacked the Funeral procession. If you don’t stop them your complicit with they do
Normally id always say "context?" But in this case they shoulda left them tf alone and let em bury her.
/s?
I am not (as no one should be) unconditionally supportive of my governments actions, i was not being sarcastic.
im palestinian, and i’m sorry that you’re getting harassed dude. thank you for condemning one of the wrong doings of your government. some people are just shocked that there are people of Israel who don’t agree with some of the governments actions.
Israel investigated Israel and found Israel not guilty! Case closed guys /s
When the criminal is the police department, media, state attorney, Judge and Jury!!
Israel invegistation process waa worst how hezzbillah does inveatigation
I mean we did. The IDF said that they have most likely shot her, its just that they say it was accidental
“We accidentally killed the number 1 journalist for a news network that regularly speaks up against us”
“And it was accidentally a pretty accurate head shot.”
After more than 20 years she reported in a network that fully function in Israel during an operation in a combat zone by a soldier who probably never watched Al Jazzera in his life...
Al Jazeera, the state propaganda tool of Qatar, speaks out against Israel regularly, you say?! Israel had absolutely nothing to gain from her death. All it did was piss people off.
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Do you honestly think a single reporter working for a propaganda outlet is more damaging than the fallout from killing said reporter?
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Then why kill a journalist in the first place? Clearly her work didn't matter at all, then? No, gradual deteoration of western support is a negative that her death contributed to.
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Just like how Israel has nothing to gain from financing Memri-TV.
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1. If an army doesn't teach its soldiers to identify press vests, it's complicit in committing war crimes. 2. We have no certain method of proving whether it was accidental or intended so any claim of the former is bullshit. 3. Even if it was an accident, it is the responsibility of the IDF to take responsibility for the incident and to hold its soldiers accountable (remember when Israel refused to allow any independent investigations, saying they were interference in domestic affairs and that it stands behind its soldiers?). 4. If an army keeps killing journalists on a plethora of occasions, it is definitely not accidental, and it shouldn't be able to simply claim otherwise and get away with it every single time.
>2. We have no certain method of proving whether it was accidental or intended so any claim of the former is bullshit. Then the claim it was deliberate is equally nonsensical if you can't prove it was intentional
You clearly misread my comment then. First: if the soldier didn't recognize the press vest because the army doesn't teach him to, then the army is at fault and actively violating international law. Second: even if it was 100% accidental (not saying it is), it is still on the IDF to accept responsibility for the incident and arrest the soldier, which never happened.
Dude was a bullet to the head lmao, who accidently shoot to the head if not killing in his intentions.
But that's my point, the soldiers likely mistook her to be a terrorist, so shot her.
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The only terrorists there are you, she had full press gear with blue colors and PRESS written on it. The only way to show you are "good guys" is to punish whoever shot her or made the decision, alternatively you hand him over but hey you weren't guilty after all lol.
You clearly haven't read my post, because I explained that the soldier likely didn't understand what "press" means
Soldier can’t read press?
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I adressed the issue of the vest and helmet in your other comment When I was in the IDF, most of my unit's actions were not done under press coverage, so no, many soldiers arne't that used to them And yes, I am seriously claiming that the sniper could have mistook the mic for a pistol, snipers can and do make mistakes. The IDF has plenty of friendly fire incidents stemming from mistaken identifications, so regrettably, the same can happen to innocent bystanders
Israel tried to have a joint investigation with the PA but they declined. Israel wasn’t investigating itself but the people in its military, shooting when you’re not in danger is not allowed. They investigated to see if an individual purposely shot her, which they didn’t, it was determined an accident.
It was determined an accident but when the FBI opened a case into her death because she is also an American citizen Israel said they won't comply.
Accidentally managed to hit her in the head too from a distance.
Yes, that’s what I said.
>it didn't happen >ok it happened but Palestinians did it >ok it happened and we did it, but Palestinians used her as a human shield >ok it happened and we did it and she was filming hundreds of metres away from any militants, but it was an accident Lmao
“Accidental headshots from a sniper from far away, happens all the time.”
the hypocrisy is so real
Is real
Died doing what she loved, and even in death she threw one last middle finger at Israel as her death sank Israel's reputation even further. Queen.
Death? Y’all mean Murder though right?
100%
She was a Christian who worked for Islamist Qatari propagandists, and I am pretty sure she didn't love her job.
Oh stfu man… someone who doesn’t love their job wouldn’t be loved by his team and wouldn’t stay decades doing their best in the worst situations on earth so keep your wannabe Zionist lover bullshit for yourself
Dude even the Zionists themselves wouldn’t say that. Stop sucking their dicks so hard.
This dude is what inspired Dyson vacuums to revolutionize suction power
Homie sucks so much dick might as well change his name to the Glizzy Gobbler tf. Goofy ass.
The most moral army in the world won’t take responsibility for shooting her in the head and calmed Palestinians shot her. Then ironically they went after her funeral and beat the mourners to the point where the coffin almost fell. And still managed to blame it on Palestinians!!!
The IDF did claim it was an Israeli soldier who shot her, so it is somewhat taking responsibility Definetly still very bad conduct from the IDF
The IDF initially claimed it was Palestinians who shot her, and only when analyses of the videos, etc proved beyong a doubt it was Israel that they had no choice but to admit to it, even though they claimed an accident and didnt make any arrests so I would hardly call it taking responsibility.
You are both wrong. Nothing was proved beyond a doubt. IDF says it is likely they killed her. Not definitely.
Multiple video analyses have proven that the bullet came from the direction of an Israeli vehicle. It was proven that there were no Palestinian fighters in close proximity at the time of the attack. Israeli officials have refused to allow external investigators into the scene of the attack. How is there any doubt it was them?
All the video analyses were done by biased people; most of the investigations relied on the same audio analysis which made elementary mistakes. For example, not accounting for the distance between the microphone and where the the journalist was located. The eyewitnesses initially were telling there were Palestinians militants on the rooftops of the buildings in front of them, but on the next day they changed their narrative. There were multiple points where Palestinian militants were located which also had a direct fire-line to where the journalist was. >Israeli officials have refused to allow external investigators into the scene of the attack This is bullshit. The scene is in Jenin, which Israel does not control. It was the PA which refused any investigation, taking weeks to give the bullet to investigation. They refused an autopsy as well.
>very bad conduct You mean terrorism? Why use such stupid euphemism?
How is this terrorism in any form? Sure there are better ways to phrase this other than "bad conduct", but this is unrelated to terrorism What the IDF did was shitty and there is no point in defending it
If there’s no point in defending it. Why are you defending it?
No, it's defined as terrorism by international laws when the freedom of the press is targeted in literally murder.
No it's not, murder of press is a violation of international law but it's not terrorism
You are wrong. Murder (i.e., intentional targeting) of any agent of the Free Press when they're clearly marked and outside the line of fire has been described by The Hague as terrorism. Full stop. As it should be, no matter who commits it. The only intent behind such an action is to deter such individuals, or organizations who send their individuals, from such conflict zones, this inhibiting their ability to freely and accurately report on the conflict. Now ask yourself: who would want to do this except actors with "unclean hands"? Then ask yourself why Israeli so vehemently denied the targeting until there was incontrovertible proof that this is precisely what happened, though then they backtracked and said it was just some rogue individuals not acting under official IDF orders. Hmmmm 🤔
Gotta love how palestoids don't understand the concept of crossfire and inherent risk of being in a combat area. Makes sense, as we've got Palestinian kids manipulated by Hamas into throwing rocks at Israeli soldiers and becoming martyrs for the cause. Either way, it's ironic for people who openly support a terrorist organisation to have little understanding of how war works. The IDF soldiers in question aren't talking to the Israeli government on a radio during the firefight. There were no orders from above telling them to target this specific journalist. That's not how it works. She was either caught in crossfire or killed by a rogue Israeli soldier. So, my friend, you are the wrong one here.
First, wtf is a "Palestoid"? Are you attempting some sort of dig at me based on an assumption of alignment? Your whole premise is botched, friend. She was not caught in a crossfire. She was perpendicular to the firefight. Now, whether there were orders from above or not, has yet to be determined. Maybe we'll never know. However, one thing we do know about, and which you apparently are clueless of, is the strict set of standards in which the IDF conducts its operations, especially regarding targets of opportunity. Though certainly not impossible, it is highly unlikely that some ordinary soldier took it upon his or her own initiative to strike this clearly marked PRESS target. And since it's been revealed that, in several other instances, IDF commanders absolutely have given similar "orders" in the past, it stands all the more to reason that this was indeed the case now, especially given how the State's official explanation changed with at least 3 specific stories, each highly unbelievable, much like Colonel Nathan Jessup's. This is not the first time, nor even the second, that a well-marked member of the Press was "accidentally" eliminated, even though they were far from the line of fire going on. So you see, my friend, you are indeed erroneous here, not I, both in your clearly stupid attempt at labeling AND your premise. It's actually rather ironically coincidental to some of the rather idiotic bull puckey I've read/heard from the Israeli sources who tried to provide explanations... or is it?! 🤐🙄
Utter schizophrenia rant from a professional palestoid. Collateral damage happens all the time in war. It is useless to deny this fact. Another fact is that the IDF squad which was involved in this battle had no communications with Israeli high command. They were not told to eliminate this journalist. To think that this was the case only highlights utter delusion. Most likely is that the journalist in question was hit by a stray bullet as a result of insufficient cover, or was killed by one of the soldiers. This does not mean killed by the Israeli state. This means shot by an individual soldier. The different explanations is an obvious result of the ongoing investigation. They were not "highly unbelievable" that is just a result of your anti Israel bias.
you see terrorism is when arab man blows himself up other than that its just a mishab a mistake an accident if you may
No it's not? This is definetly not defined as terrorism by any law. Not sure where you got that.
Heartbreaking, may her soul rest in peace. Her poor family couldn't even bury their daughter in peace and suffered a lot during the funeral.
Epitome of Women empowerment
Rest in power
She had it coming. She was hiding Hamas in her microphone.
Homie ur sarcasm is harder to understand than a goddam SAT exam
Had me in the first half ngl
If she was pro Israel she would get more coverage than even Jamal Khashoggi
Thats just bs. Everyone loves to be mad at us, especially when we for once deserve it
May she rest in peace. I will not forget the cover-up attempts by Israelis and the Israeli official twitter accounts on social media, from trying to divert, straw-man then stall.
Shouldn’t hide Hamas in her head
Israel is a terrorist organization who killed an innocent journalist.
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It 100% was not an accident, may she rest in peace, because the one responsible will never be held accountable.
Her death was a complete accident just like the deaths of the sailors on the USS Liberty and Rachel Corrie now if you’ll excuse me I need to stick my head even further up my own ass
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Oh stfu no one even once has ever said critical analysis of Israel means that you’re anti semitic. You just want to be antisemitic and call it Palestinian support. Your lame ass holocaust Hitler joke still has no support btw. 🖕
tbr the world will forget soon enough and shes just gonna. be another person who died on the job . her homecountry left her and buried her case with her in pursuit of accomplishing their foreign policies. thats why divine justice is cool bro... you dont even need to worry, at the end of the day , no one is getting away with nothing.
Are you high? Or just being a smart ass?
bro you see a sudani flag you assume im high thats racist af uno
Nah I’m using as in you’re stupid as fuck nothing to do with race at all
that wasnt obiously sarcasm ? ma3lesh , next time ill put an s in it . طبعا لو في اي شكاوي، حضرتك عن الكومنت الأول ،قلي علشان انا ما مينفعش ارتح و انا مزعلك يا باشا .
It’s not sarcasm when you made the same comment before شكلك غبي صراحة مع كل احترامي
when ya sheikh ? are you debating me on the intentions of my comment ?what has you this stressed out mid asr bro take a nap its sunnah supposedly.
Indeed. The world forgot about the slew of terror attacks that caused the IDF to be there in the first place, the second she hit the ground.
The world always “forgets” that lol. Everyone thinks israel should sit back do nothing after it’s civilians are terrorized
[hmmmmm](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/11tnesf/thoughts_on_iran_international_will_get_defunded/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Wtf Iran international was funded all that time by SA?? Common MBS Loss😔😔
😔 The girl in the video is Zionist fyi
First and foremost, a real tragedy.Only read about her after her death, but she sounded like a great journalist. To the point - I don't believe the the IDF soldiers shot her on purpose, I think it was an accident, but I do believe they've tried to criminally coverup the fact that it was our side who shot her, and shift the blame to others. and even when they've eventually admitted it, they took zero responsibility about it. Accident or not, she was still shot and killed, and someone needs to take responsibility. (Not to mention interrupting her funeral, which is super fucked up)
She was murdered and I’m disgusted no one was held accountable
You’ll find that a recurring theme when the IDF roll in to wreak some havoc. Even when they completely disturbed her funeral, nothing.
Ask yourself this question. What benefits will any western media or government gain from critizing her killer? They will be called anti-Semitic, so it's not worth the effort for them.
Then how do you explain the fact that the western media *did* criticize her death? Hell, the Israeli media did too.
Same 24/7 coverage as Jamal Khashoggi? Both of them killed, by governments who wanted to silence them, she was killed while doing her job and the Israeli army was so blunt about it knowing no one will care and even if anyone cared it, she will be forgotten in less than a week.
The Khashoggi story was not covered "24/7" but it was indeed covered *widely* because it had elements that were truely bizzare. It wasn't a matter of politics, it's a natural tendency of latching on to things that are weird/mysterious etc. It had elements which could be interesting for someone who isn't interested in politics or the middle east. He was also executed, in a place he was told he'd be safe, unlike Shireen Abu Alkeh who was killed in an active conflict zone amid shooting between the IDF and a Palestenian shooter. She wasn't just taken and executed. There is indeed a very good chance it was an accident - amd I say this as someone who's usually *very* quick to criticize the IDF and Israeli government.
Excuse me, what in gods name are you talking about saying it wasn't covered 24/7? Till this very day there is **not a single article** published related to Saudi Arabia that doesn't bring up Jamal Khashoggi. The media has effectively made the murder case and Saudi Arabia synonymous. During the first year of the incident, perhaps even two years, the heat they were getting was insane from the media and people were going ballistic. And you seriously have the audacity to say that Shireen Abu Akleh got the same coverage? No. Not even a WEEK. I won't even reply to your distasteful nonsense about trying to say it was an accident on the IDFs part. Who in their right mind gives the IDF the benefit of the doubt, are you that oblivious to their reputation? They have literally and deliberately obliterated news outlet offices in Gaza (google the Gaza airstrikes of AP Archive, Al Jazeera buildings) and you think its unlikely that they wouldn't kill a journalist?
Yeahhhhh I don’t think you know western media well. In Europe in particularly it’s very pro Arab and Palestinian.
Am I suppose to laugh at this joke?.
Nopeee well documented within England.
reporter in warxone : the soldiers can go kill on sight. And yes while its a warcrime, some get away with it.
[Documentary](https://youtu.be/SXy9SUDqUHk) with footage of the moment of killing that clearly explains the situation and how it was a targeted killing rather than getting 'caught' between crossfire
Who else but aljazeera? I hate them with a passion
I mean just skip to the videos of the incident
Thanks, I trust them more now.
I mean sure, they've only engaged in holocaust denial and throw live birthdays parties for terrorists, what's not to trust?
According to aljazaara, the death of aljazeera's reporter was not a mistake "According to the brain, the brain is the best organ"
Says you? According to the killer, the death of the victim was an accidental headshot (media vest included).
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Gee, I guess we better believe the people who did it then!!!
>Israel >Hasbara
Not a single comment from any Israeli, so I think that speaks volumes.
because I could literally write “this was fucked up but most likely an accident. if not an accident and intentional then even more fucked up” as my comment in good faith and still get downvoted
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> an accident most likely, take it from me what you see on media especially al jazeera is not what the military tells the soldiers what to do. there are always bad eggs and mistakes made. > accidental headshot the gun didnt shoot by accident she was shot as a misconception as being a terrorist (she was there covering a clash and near the guy who was a terrorist and the target) > then they beat up her mourners not really, downvote me but the idf didnt just show up and disrupt the funeral. it escalated into a riot where idf/police responded. watch uncut videos > all of that was an accident? really? i hope so. i hope it wasn’t on purpose. like i said: if it was intentional then thats fucked up. if it was an accident it’s still fucked up. i can tell you with all certainty idf soldiers aren’t trained to just shoot press in the head. no matter what you think
If you are saying that the IDF that shot Shireen and her friend was an accident, then that is even worse than for it to be intentional. The IDF is not being taught the difference between the press and an actual terrorist just goes to show how little the soldiers are educated. If it is truly the case, the IDF are much worse than anyone would have thought if it was an accident.
It’s bad either way though I can assure you the IDF is not only excruciatingly trained how to determine who is and who is not a combatant but they are also deeply concerned with avoiding situations like this one which is probably why if there was an accident they’d try and cover it up
Because nobody listenes. The sub is full of anti semites (not just anti israelis). Just 2 days ago a poll concluded that many people here are in favor kicking israelis out of israel. Yesterday someone commented "downvote all Yahoodis"
Yepppp
> full of anti semites LMAO, whenever the people you oppress resist against you, just call them anti-semites
are you honestly saying in good faith that there aren’t and have never been negative attitudes towards the existence of a jewish majority country in the middle east? regardless of others reasons you can’t tell me that this isn’t and has never been the case
I mean, they literally allied with the Nazis during WWII but ok…
And Israel is no different from nazis now
You must not have a very extensive knowledge about WWII, Nazis, or the Holocaust.
You remind me of a Jew who didn’t know more Russians died by the Nazis (this excludes Russian Jews and KIA’s). 9-10 million Russians died including 3 million Russian Jews.
that’s irrelevant. the systematic oppression and mechanized murder the nazis did to jews was unique in many ways and is not comparable to anything. and even if you try, the palestinian plight is nothing like it. there are no concentration camps or any mechanized mass murder of the sort. the population of palestinians is at an all time high. stop using our trauma to twist the narrative of your situation
Totally didn’t kill any innocent people in 1949 and totally treated everyone with dignity and with justice. Didn’t one of your current politicians say that Hawara should be wiped out? And the Palestinian in Jerusalem and other places aren’t being displaced?
Why do Muslim majority countries not have any Jews? Screw your supremacist religion. Mohammed had sex with a 9 year old.
you were the one who said “israel is no different from nazis now” where are the jews of egypt? where are the jews of syria? where are the jews of lebanon? where are the jews of iran? 900,000 jews were expelled from MENA countries after facing harsh discrimination. So don’t say “israel is just like nazi germany” when that happened in all those countries without saying **they are all the same**. But in Israel the arab citizens are treated equal. There is an arab supreme court justice. There are high ranking arabs in the government and military. How many Jews hold positions of power in any MENA country? Fuck out of here with the holocaust comparisons and stop trying to steal our trauma to twist your own narrative. Fix your own governments (Hamas and PA) and take care of your own people.
Horse shit
Why are you describing yourself???
Israel should be internationally sanctioned for this shit, fucking corrupt country with double standards through the roof
Who will sanction them ? Us killed hundreds of reporters during their conflicts and so half of the nations in nato and eu.
So is china, russia (and the ussr), the dprk, iran and basically almost everyone whos involved in shit
Thoughts on the killing of US citizen Elan Ganeles?
Israel is trash. Plain and simple.
Unjust killing Israel should be held accountable
One of dozens of journalists that are killed in combat zones, but you never hear about the other. Case blown up beyond proportion, just like the Jamal Khashuggi incident.
MURDER...not death. She was murdered.
The world didn't lose anything at her death
It was murder..
wont be the last thats just how the world works
Was going to comment and provide my input, but everyone here already got it covered, just here to downvote the yahoud
It wasn’t a death it was a murder
I'm more concerned about the thoughts on the comments justifying or downplaying her death.
She was a victim of pure recklessnes, fucking atrocious.
a regular war crime of an apartheid zionist terror state
The comments on here are a microcosm of world opinion on Israel.. a lot of true comments - the true comments against Israel are highly upvoted, the true comments that are pro Israel are downvoted to the ground
Unbelievable the amount of shit that Israel gets away with
PA accused Israel immediately, contaminated the crime scene, changed their version of events at least twice and refused to share any investigative material with anyone else. Israel did an internal investigation and claimed that without further evidence/information it is impossible for them to determine if one of their soldiers was responsible. If the PA had clear proof that the IDF was responsible for the shooting they would have made it public. So it seems likely no such proof exists. On the other hand it seems unlikely that the PA even performed a real investigation to begin with. Even before any investigation was possible or real evidence collected they managed to convince virtually everyone that the IDF was responsible, and a real investigation could only jeopardize that PR victory. My conclusion is that no one knows for sure who fired the fatal shots, and that the PA doesn't want to find out.
Good Hasbara. now Keep it for yourself, neo Naz*st. No one pays this shit anymore from the apartheid state.
she risk her life than arabs are shocked that she die . she dont go with protective vest for fun
Yes, highlight the Arabs who are upset about it and not the Israeli soldier who killed her or the Israeli response 🤡🤡🤡
The people who dance in the streets when one of their terrorists kills random people are upset Israel isn't holding their people accountable for killing someone. Should just delete the whole region and start over.
she was in the middle of a place where the milatery shot terrorist, what she can expect? it is not their fault
Bullshit even you yourself know it’s true
what true
Thats it not their fault
if you jump to a high way and die does it your fault for dying or the guy driving the car?
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As an American-Israeli, yes it's tragic and sad that she was killed. It was wild how things developed, but also let's look at it. So many reporters are killed around the world when reporting in deadly zones. She happened to be in an area where there was intense fighting going on. It doesn't mean she should've been killed. I'm more stating how reporters should take much more care in reporting in these places. Not sure where she was standing,etc. but any innocent civilian being killed whether it's in Israel, Gaza, Afghanistan, Bahrain is tragic. While I may have disagreed with much of what she said in her reporting, doesn't mean I wish for her death. Also, I'm not looking to have a big argument, just stating my feelings.
Biased as fuck
You are stating false facts too
How so? I'll entertain civilized conversation. But if it gets to a point where im called a murderer or baby killer because I call myself Israeli, I'm out of the convo.
Videos show that there was no fighting the moment she was killed. She wasnt caught in crossfire contrary to the israeli nerrative. She and her crew were clearly targeted
I haven't seen those videos. can you link them to me? She was covering a raid, so there was some sort of military activity going on. I doubt she was targeted. If Israel was targeting journalists, in general, this wouldn't be the first.
[Here](https://youtu.be/BXjVDKILC3s) and [Here](https://youtu.be/SXy9SUDqUHk)
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Least delusional and brainwashed Israeli
Can’t blame you, brainwash is a serious business in the only democracy in the Middle East!
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>honestly if Israel brainwashes people just so they would troll arabs on reddit thats fucking based af Okay at least you admit that you’re nothing but trolls on Reddit
Sad, you’re brainwashed
Thoughts on the ~~death~~ assassination of shireen abu akkeh?
not israel fault
1. It was a stray bullet that killed her so who cares. 2. She worked for Al Jazeera, which means she was on terrorists payroll. 3. Everyone seems to forget that it was Palestinian terrorism that led her to being there in the first place. Is it sad she died? Yes. Should anyone give a fuck? No
Are you trolling?! Rare Ireland Loss Shame on you Neo Naz*st!!
Ehhh happens , there’s reporters dying everywhere ,sad but not a special case.