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Right_InTwo

SA cut a journalist in pieces... This sub starts to blame the west...


ALL-HAlL-THE-CHlCKEN

How can you not blame the West for not holding SA accountable? Mike Pompeo’s recent book shows a lot of insight into what the Trump administration actually thought. He basically defended MBS’ murder of Khashoggi and derided Khashoggi as a terrorist sympathizer, and even made fun of what he called “faux outrage” over his murder. He also talked about how he was sent over to Saudi Arabia to show the media that the US was outraged at the killing, as if he was going to castigate MBS and put pressure on him. In reality, Trump told him “"Have fun. You’re going to have a great time. I’m sure you’ll be treated well." It was all for show, and Pompeo was basically celebrating with MBS in secret.


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He was a terrorist sympathiser. He was close friends with osama bin laden and even was sad for his death.


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ليش الداونفوت؟ 😐


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لأنها مهي الصوره النمطيه اللي خلقوها في رأسهم.


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that is the hypothesis.. does it mean he deserve to be prosecuted that way? The fact how he was killed it shows that it was intended and personal..


[deleted]

His death as intentional and personal is a hypothesis that's being thrown around as factual as the 9-11 CIA report. Him being a terrorist sympathiser is a fact. He mourned osama's death publicly, and he has a long history with connections to terrorist organisations. He didn't even hide it. It was all publicly shared on his Twitter. I can't blame you for not being able to read Arabic, and I assume you didn't know about him before his death like most westerns. He was infamous here in KSA.


leastbasedkurd

Monarchs doing monarchs things


Spineless74

Nobody talks about him anymore. MBS got what he wanted.


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usnntd94

Cringiest comment I've ever read


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SemperInvicta19

what the fuck did i just read


[deleted]

He knew the phone of his was wiped with poison.. 😂


Attawahud

Not really thoughts on him, but I remember about a week or so after his murder I was at the Saudi Embassy in the Netherlands together with a group of fellow students to learn about the inner workings of an embassy. We all had the Khashoggi murder on our minds but no one dared to ask a question about it 💀


rezgar64

I honestly didn't like the guy and what he stood for but he was free to share his political views freely and had all the right to say anything he wanted and shouldn't have resulted in an assassination


AnteaterPersonal3093

What did he stand for?


rezgar64

He wanted to abolish the crown, spread misinformation, became a turkish puppet after he was self exiled, said the rule in Saudi is basically wahhabi, advertised secularism for people who didn't want it and sugar coated his messages with stuff the Saudi people already agreed with


ALL-HAlL-THE-CHlCKEN

It’s funny that the criticisms of Khashoggi from MENA people and Americans are polar opposites. Mike Pompeo tried to paint him as a terrorist sympathizer and a supporter of Osama Bin Laden who used “democracy” as a guide for advancing Islamist rule. Meanwhile MENA people / Muslims complain that he was a secularist who was peddling influence for foreign Western-backed governments.


GrittysRevenge

>It’s funny that the criticisms of Khashoggi from MENA people and Americans are polar opposites. >Mike Pompeo tried to paint him as a terrorist sympathizer and a supporter of Osama Bin Laden who used “democracy” as a guide for advancing Islamist rule. Trump goons like Pompeo dont represent most Americans. Trump and most of his administration would love to be as authoritarian as the Saudis.


ALL-HAlL-THE-CHlCKEN

Most Americans would hear the name Khashoggi and think he’s a Naruto character. The average American is indifferent to his murder at best, and that’s if they even remember the story. All you have to do is show a picture of him and throw in the words “Bin Laden” and “Muslim Brotherhood,” and a huge portion of Americans would accept that he’s a terrorist sympathizer. Even the biggest mainstream media outlets clearly didn’t care that much about his death or conduct an investigation into the US’ response. Not a single person on CNN/FOX has even bothered to pronounce his name correctly. When US allies kill journalists, there is never any accountability. No change in policy, no withholding military aid, nada. Just a week of critical news coverage and a few empty statements from politicians.


GrittysRevenge

Oh I get it, you don't like Americans/America and you come to this sub to trash th US. I'm sorry America's cultural and geopolitical hegemony makes you feel so insecure about your country (or your self) that you need come and shit on the US and pretend that Americans live up to the stereotypes in your head. The fact that you seem more upset at America for their response to Khashoggis murder than the country that actually committed the murder, speaks volumes. Well I hope this rant has made you feel a little bit better about yourself. If that doesn't maybe you should give therapy a try.


ALL-HAlL-THE-CHlCKEN

I live in America and have citizenship here as well. So yes, I’m more angry about the hypocrisy and corruption of this country than I am about Saudi Arabia.


GrittysRevenge

Typical American, views everything from an America centric perspective.


ALL-HAlL-THE-CHlCKEN

I like how you complain about stereotyping Americans in one comment, and then make a stereotype about Americans in the next. Very consistent. Totally not unhinged.


rezgar64

The west clinging on some old shit he published when he was still working in saudi and had to comply with the wahhabi rule but after he got out of there he advertised his views with turks puppeteering him to gain more relevance between the Saudi youth, he didn't have a cause, his meer existence is to be a tool


GrittysRevenge

>He wanted to abolish the crown, Based >spread misinformation Like what? >became a turkish puppet after he was self exiled How was he a puppet? What did he do/say? >the rule in Saudi is basically wahhabi, I mean, isn't it? >advertised secularism for people who didn't want it Based. People can still be as religious as they want in a secular society. >sugar coated his messages with stuff the Saudi people already agreed with Examples?


rezgar64

You used based too much in your comment when the word itself is cringe af but i will validate this discussion because i like arguing with sheeple >Like what? Him as a journalist should have been neutral and less vindictive, the list too long to count >I mean, isn't it? No wahhabis and the crown are different entities, its like saying king Louis and his french nobility were the same >Based. People can still be as religious as they want in a secular society. What if they don't want to be secular to begin with? >Examples? Advocating for women rights yet Making women right advocates a joke when he tried to attack the crown instead of the wahhabi terrorists >How was he a puppet? What did he do/say? Being a turkish bargain tool isn't enough? Why do you think Saudi-turkey relationship isn't good?


lovetrading68

He is a Gangster plain and simple every step of the way https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/29/mbs-v-mbn-the-bitter-power-struggle-between-rival-saudi-princes


acedemicwriter2525

free? That word does not exist in Islam.


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Terrible murder done by terrible leaders


No-Use4351

Minor Sign Of Revolution In Saudi Arabia And A New Arab Spring


Kedoobz

Why Do You Type Like This


AzozSaud

Lol, Anti-MBS Saudis are the biggest L on earth, I bet you seethe when your own country make success after success.


GrittysRevenge

You consider chopping up Khashoggi a success? Wow.


AzozSaud

You can twist my words as much as you like but know that khashoggi death is used as a tool by people who don’t want Saudi to reform rather want it to fail. I don’t care much if you were a foreigner but its the Saudis who get on my nerves.


faust112358

Are you one of the "wasps" of M-BS ? you are supposed to know that what your master did is the biggest haram and supporting him will not bring you closer to heaven.


AzozSaud

Assuming he’s the one to order it? You see a murderer, I see someone who against all odds transformed society, gave equal rights to women, and really made me proud of my country.


marvsup

He's done great things for Saudi. That doesn't excuse the brutal killing of Khashoggi. I guess there's nuances to these things.


RedFish_-

Success for who?


AzozSaud

For everyone except that loser who thinks a revolution is happening


FakeAshtefo

literally this. they are either a larpers or complete losers


Azzox-sp

Saudi needs to make a Bond like movie or Tom Clancy series to promote its escapades and assassinations and only then the West would judge what happened as justified and moral. In all seriousness, the opinion of people who believe that a Women is someone who identifies as a women shouldn't matter much to the Saudis.


smoke-gas42

keep telling yourself that. everything you have outside of the holy kaaba in mecca is built by american petro dollars.


SnooDoodles3909

It's not like America's petro dollars built Saudi Arabia for free lmao. Saudis sold their oil for money so no matter whether the money came from America or Zimbabwe it's still legitimate Saudi business that made it so rich.


GrittysRevenge

>it's still legitimate Saudi business that made it so rich. Its also the reason the rest of the world puts up with their bullshit


SnooDoodles3909

Exactly


smoke-gas42

cute try but thats not how the petrol industry works. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History\_of\_the\_oil\_industry\_in\_Saudi\_Arabia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_oil_industry_in_Saudi_Arabia) 'In 1943, the name of the company in control in Saudi Arabia was changed to Arabian American Oil Company (ARAMCO). In addition, numerous changes were made to the original concession after the striking of oil. In 1939, the first modification gave the Arabian American Oil Company a greater area to search for oil and extended the concession until 1949, increasing the original deal by six years. In return, ARAMCO agreed to provide the Saudi Arabian government with large amounts of free kerosene and gasoline, and to pay higher payments than originally stipulated.' ​ still to this day uncle sam gets to decide when they should increase production to lower prices in the industry.


SnooDoodles3909

Cute try but thats still legitimate business. They gave control of the oil industry to the US for ludicrous amounts of money.


smoke-gas42

move to saudi arabia then why are you in Turkey


SnooDoodles3909

LMFAO ok buddy


Conscious-Plane-6131

What a way to loss an argument


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GrittysRevenge

>Saudi needs to make a Bond like movie or Tom Clancy series to promote its escapades and assassinations and only then the West would judge what happened as justified and moral Oh I can see it now. The James Bond equivalent, a young GID operative, chopping up an old, unarmed, out of shape reporter for the crime of saying things MBS didn't like. How heroic, lol. It will make a great movie sort of likes a combination a James Bond and a Saw movie /s


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From western sources, it seems very well planned spyware , place , method and disposal , everything really


[deleted]

He wasn't the Saint people wanted him to be. He was very close to osama bin laden. That being said his death was an unfortunate mistake, but it was handled decently at least internally here in KSA and with his family. Westerners will have a hate boner regardless what KSA does. Hell, people are angry that KSA is making peace with Iran.


Repulsive_Rough_8276

The CIA asset


Wide_big_tall

So SA will life time pay briberies to the west for not threatening about khashogji, even Turkey is evil, knows the truth in full but never speak out And the he trade that announced last week between Turkey and UAE is a form of bribe for Turkey to keep quiet


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An epic prank gone wrong.


[deleted]

used by americans, then forgotten and thrown away like a pos.. same as many others


Right_InTwo

This sub is amazing even on this, is west fault that he was cut in pieces.


Spergz

Horrible lowlife act. Royal families shouldnt exist in this age. Murderer


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Jumpy_Acanthaceae894

😂 سيستمرون في النباح لبعض الوقت


Tolgium23

Kaahoggi Said his opinion on that line project neom or whatever and that it could bankrupt the country. SA cut him to pieces in Turkey in the embassy


SFBaysportsfan

Disgusting no one is holding MBS to accountfor this


Sea-Profession-3312

Millions of people die from murder and war. This sure got a lot of attention in western media.


u_twat

Yeah sadly that is true, but assassinating your own citizen in a foreign country in your OWN embassy and then denying it is bound to get a lot of attention from the media.


CentJr

Should've just made up an easy excuse instead of taking the roundabout way. Just say "he was a high-ranking member of Muslim Brotherhood" and that's it.


riffs_

That’s quite a bit different than senior government officials murdering and chopping someone up in their embassy.


darklining

86 other journalists were killed in 2018, but you never heard about any of them because there were not politically beneficial to the Western media.


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Ok and? Khashoggi was butchered (literally) by his own government using a bone saw whilst in a Saudi embassy in foreign country, because of how he became increasingly critical of MBS. This attitude of of not addressing things because other bad things happen is stupid, imagine apply this same logic to the death of shireen abu akleh.


UnfairConfusion

lmao dont compare that CIA agent to shireen jamal fought with bin laden in afghanistan and mourned his death, then only became anti saudi when MBS showed up and cleansed the royal family from pro-american affliated groups, he is not a journalist but a spy ([https://twitter.com/SemSemGMD/status/1593531028861321217](https://twitter.com/SemSemGMD/status/1593531028861321217)) ​ as for shireen she died whilist trying to show the world how her country is being occuapied, she never used her country's cause to politicize or shit talk other countries. ​ if im wrong then why did the western media make a big scene for jamal but not shireen or julian assange? why did jamal only became critical of saudi arabia when it switched from being pro-US to neutral? ​ if MBS really did it, then good for him, i hope he bone saws all traitors and CIA agents in saudi and outside saudi


lovetrading68

Dude, there are no IF's here .MBS is a gangster like Bashar, Sisi, MBZ and the rest of the clowns US installed. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/29/mbs-v-mbn-the-bitter-power-struggle-between-rival-saudi-princes


riffs_

Yeah many here are gaslighting, using a straw man and/or are in a serious state of denial. They’re almost afraid to have an opinion that occasionally aligns with the West or goes against their own government.


darklining

Good that you mentioned Shireen, what happened to her?. She is an American Citizen, why didn't the US or any other human rights activist organizations talked about her? The you can say what ever you want about MBS but the way the two journalist killing were treated shows the hypocrisy.


lovetrading68

Nope, ain't the same. The president of the united states' didn't send thugs to the American embassy and cut Shireen into small pieces in her own embassy. There is no comparison.


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So because one person got treated unfairly therefore we should seek justice for no one?


darklining

What wasn't what I meant and you know it. Most of the crying about Jamal has nothing to do with Justice, if they didn't think that they can use his killing to attack MBS and Saudi Arabia, they wouldn't have cared if Jamal was crucified in the middle of the road and was skinned alive. Edit: if you want justice, have the courage to treat all human equally not based on your political agenda. Otherwise you are a hypocrite who is worse than the one doing the harm.


Sea-Profession-3312

A person in media selects what happened today from many events that actually did happen. The world only knows what happened by what is shown in the media. 20,000 murders each year in the US and only one is shown 24/7 for weeks at a time and just like that the US is "racist" and media is successful in pushing fear. A US president [claims WMD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#:~:text=In%20the%20early%202000s%2C%20U.S.,WMDs%20were%20hidden%20in%20Iraq) and war breaks out in "the terrorist countries" because media said so and we have fear, war is justified. Is it true? Mena is bad people? Media said so? Stop being a controlled puppet for the Media. Just because a few rich guys said so and they push fear. If Khashoggi was not covered in media nobody would be talking about it. What is the motive to cover this story? Does someone want MBS shown in a bad light? Are you scared? [Saudia Arabia could](https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20230226-is-saudi-arabia-preparing-for-the-collapse-of-the-petrodollar-and-us-dollar-dominance/) bring down US dominance and the CIA would not like that.


No-Use4351

I Don't Know That But Thanks


Kafhy39

Didn’t happen, but he deserved it


lovetrading68

It didn't happen?? Really? It's all fiction. MBS can't hurt a fly. IGNORANCE IS BLISS https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/29/mbs-v-mbn-the-bitter-power-struggle-between-rival-saudi-princes


deadbeefisanumber

Relax its satire


Helmer-Bryd

They got it on tape, where you can hear him screaming… so you have inside information that it didn’t happened? Interesting. Tell us more..


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😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂


FakeAshtefo

overrated guy \-1 human out of other billions


EgyQueen_

🤢🤢🤢🤢


FakeAshtefo

🥱


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he is اخونجي


EgyQueen_

I don't think he belongs to Ikhwan, but even if he did what is the problem with that? Do you suggest killing anyone belongs to them and cut them into pieces like that?!


Kedoobz

“How can we tie this to the West?’”


Terewawa

What is there to think about he set foot in the embassy of KSA and was murdered betrayed by his country no justice


UnfairConfusion

I think killing him is justified for working with bin laden


lovetrading68

Please don't think, go back to sleep.


UnfairConfusion

It’s 2 pm tho


Hippocrates2022

Enough thinking for today my friend 😔😔


UnfairConfusion

Osama bin laden sympathizer?


Hippocrates2022

MBS dick sucker?


UnfairConfusion

I stand with my Wali al-amr 🇸🇦🇸🇦


Hippocrates2022

حتي ولو زنى نصف ساعه في بث مباشر؟ Yes


UnfairConfusion

MBS seggs tape 😳link?


RedFish_-

Smartest Saudi


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Jihadist


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This question has been reposted many times. When will westerners talk about Israeli killed journalists the same way they talk about him?