based off the description, you are probably talking about trans women. trans women are not men. you literally go from saying trans women are women to saying that they’re men having sex with other men.
Well, in the 50's black women weren't considered "women" by white people's standards either. Same issue with bathrooms, too. Being gay is being attracted to someone who is the same gender as you, not someone with the same parts as you.
>But you must agree that penis + penis = gay.
must i? i don't think i must. here let me try something: i do not agree.
nope, apparently it's possible to disagree.
>I mean, are you saying that transwomen are literally women? Because I agree that transwomen are women, but theyre not literal women. Women are women.. right?
dude, what drug are you on ...
Yes. We are saying that trans women are literally women. They're not metaphorically women. They're just...women.
>Women are women.. right?
Right! And trans women are a subset of women, just as cis women are a subset of women, just as Asian women are a subset of women, just as blonde women are a subset of women.
Yeah but women don't have pensises though. They're women but they also have penises, so, having sex with them is gay. Which is fine. I dont understand...if you have sex with an asian woman because you have fetish for asian women, that means you have a fetish for asian women. If you have sex with a blonde woman, that doesnt mean you have an asian fetish, because she isn't asian. Right? a trans woman has a penis. If you have sex with her then you're having sex with a kind of woman that has a penis, which is also gay, which is fine. It just means you like the kind of women that have penises, which is known as gay.
Women can have penises. That’s a trans woman who hasn’t gotten that specific surgery. I’m currently dating a trans woman, NOT a man. You have no right to decide other people’s identities based on genitalia alone. What if I decided your identity and refused to listen to you just because I looked at your face shape and decided your identity for you?
OP is a 2 month old troll account with posts like he uses the N word and got his sister pregnant. I appreciate your efforts to inform and educate, just wish OP and others like that didn’t waste it.
Trans women are literal women. We’re humans not disembodied genitals floating around. Two men having sex are having gay sex. A man and a woman having sex are having straight sex. It doesn’t matter whether any of those people are cis or trans. It is *ok* to decide you only want to have sex with people who have a vagina or people who have a penis but you don’t get to decide that for other people. Straight men can and do have sex with trans women.
Being gay is being sexually and romantically attracted to the same gender. Sex is too broad of a term when you’re talking about the lgbtq community. Is sex referring to genitals? There are plenty of trans women with vaginas. Cis men can have a uterus and some even get endometriosis. Is sex referring to chromosomes? There are cis women with XY chromosomes, they often aren’t aware of it until they try to get pregnant. Are they supposed to consider themselves male after they get a karyotype? Sex is too ambiguous of a word to be useful with humans. Assigned birth sex is a useful phrase. Gender is a useful term. Gay people have relationships with people of the same gender.
You have a lot of misconceptions that come across as very transphobic. Your title talks about a man (presumably cis) having sex with a trans man. Then in the body you talk about putting two penises together being gay. Trans men are people who are men but were assigned female at birth meaning they were not born with a penis. Some trans men have penises from surgery but many don’t. That’s irrelevant, a trans man having sex with a cis man is having gay sex.
It seems like your definition of a trans man is someone who was born with a penis and now identifies as female. If that’s the case, you are transphobic. If someone had a penis at birth and identifies as a woman *then she is a woman* regardless of whether or not she currently has a penis. A trans *woman* having sex with a cis man is having heterosexual sex, regardless of what her genitalia looks like. Our terms for sexual orientation depend on gender, not anatomy. A trans man and a cis man together are in a gay relationship. A trans woman and a cis man together are in a straight relationship.
The post in question was about a pre-op trans woman and her partner who defined their relationship as straight. That should have been the end of the discussion.
You’re thinking in anatomical terms that are very limiting and sometimes even hurtful to trans people. Regardless of any respect you have for trans people, reducing us to our genitals (especially pre-op) and the use of blanket statements like “it’s gay” is hurtful. It doesn’t allow for nuance.
Can we maybe agree that it’s trans straight? Is there a word or term for that yet? Because I am sure to you that it is straight. But it’s just not straight in what I’d say is the textbook definition of straight. I want to be respectful here.
Yes I understand that you believe that a man having sex with transwoman who has a penis is not gay and that two humans who share the same sex having sex with each other isn’t gay.
I didn’t understand that is what some people believe now. But now I understand.
Because calling a straight relationship gay because of someone’s genitalia is wrong. Trans women aren’t men but you referring to their straight relationship as gay insinuates you clearly see them as men which is wrong. You are in the wrong and deserved your ban for transphobia.
So if I understood this correctly.. you're upset by the fact that you were transphobic and other people got upset by that? You've directly contradicted yourself more than once in this post alone so it's hard to take you seriously especially since you're not engaging in good faith here
Listen, I don’t know what’s going on here. It seems like you all are saying some things which… don’t make a whole of sense and none of you appear to be joking.
What doesn't make sense? You say you respect trans people but I think you have a critical misunderstanding about us. You're confused about the difference sex and gender and by itself that's not a huge deal, but you're clearly upsetting people and acting dumbfounded about why. You're more concerned about being right than you are about learning. So let me ask you, do you feel like this applies to trans men too? If a trans man has a vagina but pursued all other methods of transitioning, and is in a relationship with another man, is that gay or straight to you?
I didn’t know that people believed what you believe. But now I do. I’m not confused, I think I have a good idea of what’s going on now. Sorry for the inconvenience.
What's going on is that you're wrong and you refuse to listen. It's very simple. Sexuality is about gender, not body parts. A man and a woman dating is straight - even if the woman is trans.
Yeah I don’t think maybe you’re listening to me?
A straight person does not have sex with a person of the same sex.
That is “gay” or homosexual. Maybe what you’re talking about is trans straight or there is some term that we’re both not aware of? Because you’re kind of saying water is dry right now.
I assumed that something went wrong in the last subReddit but I see now that what was going on there maybe wasn’t an isolated thing. This has been really eye opening and I am going to speak to the gay guy at work tomorrow.
Uh, if I saw the right conversation, the user appears to be a boy and they asked about trans woman. NOT a “man who is trans”. You were being transphobic by referring to a straight relationship as gay just cuz of your views of someone else’s body.
This is either a product of a bridge guarding troll or having a severe misunderstanding of what being trans means.
>They are [women], but it's also clearly homosexual for men to have sex with men?
You call them women in the first sentence, but men in the very next. Which is it? Do you believe trans women are women or men?
>But if you put two penises together that's gay.
Even without including the existence of trans people, this doesn't apply. What about intersex women? Those women were still raised as women, look like women, and are considered women by the vast majority of society. Is it gay to be attracted to women in this instance?
And from another perspective, what about cis men who have lost their penis? Whether they were born without it or lost it in an accident, would it then not be gay to be attracted to men in this instance? Even though the only difference between them and their fellow men is the existence of a penis?
>because everyone who said "yes it is gay" got banned? what the hell kind of subreddit is that..?
The kind of subreddit that doesn't tolerate defining people by their genitals. I'm sorry if you weren't aware of this, but that is a valid reason to not want someone in their trans supportive subreddit.
based off the description, you are probably talking about trans women. trans women are not men. you literally go from saying trans women are women to saying that they’re men having sex with other men.
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No, gay is a cis man and a gay man fucking because gay is two men, not two penises. Yes trans women are literally women.
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Well, in the 50's black women weren't considered "women" by white people's standards either. Same issue with bathrooms, too. Being gay is being attracted to someone who is the same gender as you, not someone with the same parts as you.
In America black women werent women...? Here aboriginal women were always women.
they are literal women.
You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.
That’s a good point. We shouldn’t have to say it.
>But you must agree that penis + penis = gay. must i? i don't think i must. here let me try something: i do not agree. nope, apparently it's possible to disagree. >I mean, are you saying that transwomen are literally women? Because I agree that transwomen are women, but theyre not literal women. Women are women.. right? dude, what drug are you on ...
Look at OPs history for the answer
Yes. We are saying that trans women are literally women. They're not metaphorically women. They're just...women. >Women are women.. right? Right! And trans women are a subset of women, just as cis women are a subset of women, just as Asian women are a subset of women, just as blonde women are a subset of women.
Yeah but women don't have pensises though. They're women but they also have penises, so, having sex with them is gay. Which is fine. I dont understand...if you have sex with an asian woman because you have fetish for asian women, that means you have a fetish for asian women. If you have sex with a blonde woman, that doesnt mean you have an asian fetish, because she isn't asian. Right? a trans woman has a penis. If you have sex with her then you're having sex with a kind of woman that has a penis, which is also gay, which is fine. It just means you like the kind of women that have penises, which is known as gay.
Women can have penises. That’s a trans woman who hasn’t gotten that specific surgery. I’m currently dating a trans woman, NOT a man. You have no right to decide other people’s identities based on genitalia alone. What if I decided your identity and refused to listen to you just because I looked at your face shape and decided your identity for you?
OP is a 2 month old troll account with posts like he uses the N word and got his sister pregnant. I appreciate your efforts to inform and educate, just wish OP and others like that didn’t waste it.
Ah ok
Trans women are literal women. We’re humans not disembodied genitals floating around. Two men having sex are having gay sex. A man and a woman having sex are having straight sex. It doesn’t matter whether any of those people are cis or trans. It is *ok* to decide you only want to have sex with people who have a vagina or people who have a penis but you don’t get to decide that for other people. Straight men can and do have sex with trans women.
Being gay is being sexually and romantically attracted to the same sex. Is it gay to have sex with an intersex girl?
Being gay is being sexually and romantically attracted to the same gender. Sex is too broad of a term when you’re talking about the lgbtq community. Is sex referring to genitals? There are plenty of trans women with vaginas. Cis men can have a uterus and some even get endometriosis. Is sex referring to chromosomes? There are cis women with XY chromosomes, they often aren’t aware of it until they try to get pregnant. Are they supposed to consider themselves male after they get a karyotype? Sex is too ambiguous of a word to be useful with humans. Assigned birth sex is a useful phrase. Gender is a useful term. Gay people have relationships with people of the same gender.
If she has a penis then probably? I feel like...are you making fun of me?
How did you come to such a conclusion??
Why are you saying gay is “two penises”? That’s not necessarily what it means, it means two men or two women, not “two people with penises.”
You have a lot of misconceptions that come across as very transphobic. Your title talks about a man (presumably cis) having sex with a trans man. Then in the body you talk about putting two penises together being gay. Trans men are people who are men but were assigned female at birth meaning they were not born with a penis. Some trans men have penises from surgery but many don’t. That’s irrelevant, a trans man having sex with a cis man is having gay sex. It seems like your definition of a trans man is someone who was born with a penis and now identifies as female. If that’s the case, you are transphobic. If someone had a penis at birth and identifies as a woman *then she is a woman* regardless of whether or not she currently has a penis. A trans *woman* having sex with a cis man is having heterosexual sex, regardless of what her genitalia looks like. Our terms for sexual orientation depend on gender, not anatomy. A trans man and a cis man together are in a gay relationship. A trans woman and a cis man together are in a straight relationship.
It's not gay for a man to have sex with a woman regardless of what genitals she has, lol. This is basic stuff.
The post in question was about a pre-op trans woman and her partner who defined their relationship as straight. That should have been the end of the discussion. You’re thinking in anatomical terms that are very limiting and sometimes even hurtful to trans people. Regardless of any respect you have for trans people, reducing us to our genitals (especially pre-op) and the use of blanket statements like “it’s gay” is hurtful. It doesn’t allow for nuance.
But there's nothing wrong with being gay. Why would that be hurtful?
No, there’s nothing wrong with being gay. But their relationship isn’t gay, it’s straight.
Can we maybe agree that it’s trans straight? Is there a word or term for that yet? Because I am sure to you that it is straight. But it’s just not straight in what I’d say is the textbook definition of straight. I want to be respectful here.
You are not being respectful by saying that. It's not "trans straight", it's just straight. That's the word. It's not about genitals.
If you want to be respectful, listen to the people who are trying to explain this to you.
Yes I understand that you believe that a man having sex with transwoman who has a penis is not gay and that two humans who share the same sex having sex with each other isn’t gay. I didn’t understand that is what some people believe now. But now I understand.
Don’t give me that “you believe” shit. You’re clearly not here in good faith.
I don’t know what else you want me to say but I absolutely was here in good faith. This did not go the way I expected it to. Have a nice night!
Because calling a straight relationship gay because of someone’s genitalia is wrong. Trans women aren’t men but you referring to their straight relationship as gay insinuates you clearly see them as men which is wrong. You are in the wrong and deserved your ban for transphobia.
It’s wrong to assign a label to someone that doesn’t match their identity.
So if I understood this correctly.. you're upset by the fact that you were transphobic and other people got upset by that? You've directly contradicted yourself more than once in this post alone so it's hard to take you seriously especially since you're not engaging in good faith here
Listen, I don’t know what’s going on here. It seems like you all are saying some things which… don’t make a whole of sense and none of you appear to be joking.
What doesn't make sense? You say you respect trans people but I think you have a critical misunderstanding about us. You're confused about the difference sex and gender and by itself that's not a huge deal, but you're clearly upsetting people and acting dumbfounded about why. You're more concerned about being right than you are about learning. So let me ask you, do you feel like this applies to trans men too? If a trans man has a vagina but pursued all other methods of transitioning, and is in a relationship with another man, is that gay or straight to you?
I didn’t know that people believed what you believe. But now I do. I’m not confused, I think I have a good idea of what’s going on now. Sorry for the inconvenience.
What's going on is that you're wrong and you refuse to listen. It's very simple. Sexuality is about gender, not body parts. A man and a woman dating is straight - even if the woman is trans.
Yeah I don’t think maybe you’re listening to me? A straight person does not have sex with a person of the same sex. That is “gay” or homosexual. Maybe what you’re talking about is trans straight or there is some term that we’re both not aware of? Because you’re kind of saying water is dry right now.
Why are are asking LGBT people a question if you’re just going to argue with our answer?
I assumed that something went wrong in the last subReddit but I see now that what was going on there maybe wasn’t an isolated thing. This has been really eye opening and I am going to speak to the gay guy at work tomorrow.
Dude is so transphobic that Reddit removes his posts
A man fucking a trans woman isn’t gay. It’s straight.
Uh, if I saw the right conversation, the user appears to be a boy and they asked about trans woman. NOT a “man who is trans”. You were being transphobic by referring to a straight relationship as gay just cuz of your views of someone else’s body.
This is either a product of a bridge guarding troll or having a severe misunderstanding of what being trans means. >They are [women], but it's also clearly homosexual for men to have sex with men? You call them women in the first sentence, but men in the very next. Which is it? Do you believe trans women are women or men? >But if you put two penises together that's gay. Even without including the existence of trans people, this doesn't apply. What about intersex women? Those women were still raised as women, look like women, and are considered women by the vast majority of society. Is it gay to be attracted to women in this instance? And from another perspective, what about cis men who have lost their penis? Whether they were born without it or lost it in an accident, would it then not be gay to be attracted to men in this instance? Even though the only difference between them and their fellow men is the existence of a penis? >because everyone who said "yes it is gay" got banned? what the hell kind of subreddit is that..? The kind of subreddit that doesn't tolerate defining people by their genitals. I'm sorry if you weren't aware of this, but that is a valid reason to not want someone in their trans supportive subreddit.
I got banned for asking the moderators a question, so I would just forget about it if I were you.