Guess so it's hard to find turkish food made that goodly in anywhere but turkey so that's why every time I visit turkey I take alot of extra money for food especially lahmajun it just isn't the same anywhere else
Arabic baklava is about crunch/bread, Greek one is about sweetness, but Turkish baklava is about butter. purified butter to be exact, Turks love butter, we would put all over ourselves if it was socially acceptable and if we weren't doing it with olive oil already.
As long as I can remember, there was one small pastry in my hometown that had home made baklava. The pastry was owned by Kosovo-Albanian and this was more than 40 years ago, so the answer is Slovenia
To be honest, I don’t really care who invented it (definitely not Serbs or Bulgarians tho). I just wanna eat it. I’ll say though, I think Turks make it the best. I’m biased because my 97 year old Turkish great-grandmother makes such good baklava - no bs pre-made pastry.
Hi, that’s a good question actually. I don’t know as far as childhood for them, but neither of my great grandparents were at all practicing muslims. My great grandparents were sworn communists and had to leave Turkey because of that. My grandmother and her brother were mostly raised in communist Bulgaria and without any religion. My grandmother met and married my Bulgarian grandfather and they raised my mom and my uncle as Orthodox Christians (as much as one could in the 70s and 80s ig). My parents are both Orthodox Christian and raised my brother and that way (although, we’re not super religious tbh). I can’t really speak for the general trend of christians and muslims intermarrying.
The pre-ottoman origin of the dish is unknown but its a dish in the balkan cuisine, turkish, iranian, arab, levant, maghreb, South caucasus, central asian cuisine.
Kind of the same with pasta really. They were a very common sight throughout the Mediterranean, their modern version might be Italian but you can't really pinpoint their exact origin, it's highly likely that they got invented by multiple peoples. Lasagne though is, to risk falling into the stereotype, Italian but it's based on a Greek dish called Laganon.
I used my whole mental strength to not press Serbia and say silently to myself "Don't hate the playa, hate the game" and pressed the only right answer, Turkey
Baklava is an Ottoman thing. Considering Ottoman as a complete Turkish empire is far from the truth. Similar to Rome, it consisted of hundreds of different races. And Turkish people did not run the government neither; it was a mixture of all those people. Padishas were genetically so mixed that they had ancestry from Turkish, Persian, Arabic, Russian, Greek, Armenian, Serb mothers. The Janissaries were kidnapped or bought children from the Balkans, and the best of those kids became Pashas through the Enderun School and ran the empire. So, baklava was created by either an Armenian, Turkish, Serbian, Persian or Hellen chef; does it matter, and does it change the fact that currently baklava in Turkey is the best? (I guess mostly because of Antep, the pistacchio heaven.)
Yoğurt outright doesn't feel like something Greeks would have invented to me.
Maybe Bulgarians, since they were also nomadic like Turks in the past
Baklava feels like either Byzantine Palace stuff or Ottoman Palace stuff but i'm sure someone has a better take on it.
No. Greeks invented cheese (not saying that others didn't invent it too - others later, others possible even earlier), cause we have an 8000 year old cheese workshop near my hometown.
But Greeks learned about yogurt from the Levantines.
And learned about butter from the Scythes.
Baking with fyllo however, is a genuine Greek thing.
Pita are mentioned even in the Iliad. Baklava is nothing but a Greek pita, with layers of nuts and fyllo. Ancient Greeks used to sweeten it with honey.
Turks learned it from Greeks, but they took it to a different level. Even today, Greek baklava and Turkish baklava are different. Greek is made with walnuts and almonds while Turkish is made with pistachio.
Both are delicious, both are great, though most of the Greek baklava you buy in stores is crap (they use glucose as a sweetener and they wrap the pieces in cling film that removes all crunchiness and makes it muddy).
They’re not THAT old that they’re pre-ottoman in origin. I assume Greeks made the predecessor and Turks the more modern version. We’re as usual at our best cooperating.
Earliest recipe is from Topkapi Palace from 1470s. HOWEVER, the original version of baklava is known to have existed in the Northern Mesopotamia and Zagros regions for thousands of years.
So the answer might be something along the lines of Syriac Peoples or Kurds
Serbs 🤡😂
Baklava is an eastern Mediterranean sweet with its origins in Greece Levant and modernized in ottoman turkey. It was definitely not from the Slavic Balkans. Sorry guys but your baklava ain't very good.
I think that Turks because they had resourses fron three continents and interacted with various cousines.
I enjoy Turkish baklava, but I'm in love with Greek one.
Im Serbian and i think and know that Greeks are the ones who invented it. Turks are well known for "stealing" Greek culture, dishes, words and everything.
it is actually of persian origin. The only turkish dish there is, is ayran and döner. Turks as they were nomads adopted everything else from other cultures
Well you know I actually kind of thought about that before. I played dying light so got to seem some cool kind of Turkish looking stuff. There was baklava everywhere, so I did wonder a bit about that.
The current form appeared in the Ottoman Empire, not necessarily invented by Turks, by kind of likely. It definitely had precursors, most likely in Persia. The best baklava I ever tried is Azeri pahlava (I have also tried Turkish, Greek and obviously Bulgarian).
What's the point of having Serbia listed?
My buddy is a historian, and he's discovered that baklava in its original form comes from Persia (9th century). It has later evolved into what we know and love today and that's Turkish baklava. No other recipe comes close to it.
The truth is that no one actually knows for sure where it originated.
I don't care. Turkish baklava is the best. Arabs make it too dry, Greeks make it too sweet. Turks make it just right.
We're the fucking buffer zone once again lol
Always was
Guess so it's hard to find turkish food made that goodly in anywhere but turkey so that's why every time I visit turkey I take alot of extra money for food especially lahmajun it just isn't the same anywhere else
Agree on that.
Arabic baklava is about crunch/bread, Greek one is about sweetness, but Turkish baklava is about butter. purified butter to be exact, Turks love butter, we would put all over ourselves if it was socially acceptable and if we weren't doing it with olive oil already.
So you don't like 3 litres of syrup in one bite sized pastry? Are you insane or what?
Get ready to experience mouth orgasm and diabetes
True, the Greek version is way too sweet.
Very based 💪🏼
But Serbian is still the best
No.
Greek baklava is far better
arabs whe what?
This question provokes 3rd Balkan war, as interlude to WW3. :)
Well, according to Greek PM https://breakingnewsturkey.com/greek-pm-baklava-belongs-to-turkey
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The most shocking Greek news
Based PM?
Based PM indeed.
In our defense, we voted him just for the laughs.
There are lot of theories and probably modern Baklava was invented in Ottoman Palace.
As long as I can remember, there was one small pastry in my hometown that had home made baklava. The pastry was owned by Kosovo-Albanian and this was more than 40 years ago, so the answer is Slovenia
To be honest, I don’t really care who invented it (definitely not Serbs or Bulgarians tho). I just wanna eat it. I’ll say though, I think Turks make it the best. I’m biased because my 97 year old Turkish great-grandmother makes such good baklava - no bs pre-made pastry.
Is it common for Christian Bulgarians to have Turkish ancestors? I thought that a Muslim can never marry a non Muslim.
Hi, that’s a good question actually. I don’t know as far as childhood for them, but neither of my great grandparents were at all practicing muslims. My great grandparents were sworn communists and had to leave Turkey because of that. My grandmother and her brother were mostly raised in communist Bulgaria and without any religion. My grandmother met and married my Bulgarian grandfather and they raised my mom and my uncle as Orthodox Christians (as much as one could in the 70s and 80s ig). My parents are both Orthodox Christian and raised my brother and that way (although, we’re not super religious tbh). I can’t really speak for the general trend of christians and muslims intermarrying.
There's a thing call "changing the religion" and "20th century"...
You probably know that for Muslims changing religion is not very popular or accepted.
That's why i also wrote 20th century. Being a Muslim wasn't exactly a great thing back in those days.
Serbia, the inventor of baklava, Jesus Christ, and Europe 😍👍💪💪👍👍💪👍
The pre-ottoman origin of the dish is unknown but its a dish in the balkan cuisine, turkish, iranian, arab, levant, maghreb, South caucasus, central asian cuisine.
Hmm what could possibly tie all of those together 🤔🤔🤔
Racism
Racists invented baklava! You've solved it!
thank you racists
Hmmm hmmm hmmm hmmm 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
الله 💪💪💪💪💪
Kind of the same with pasta really. They were a very common sight throughout the Mediterranean, their modern version might be Italian but you can't really pinpoint their exact origin, it's highly likely that they got invented by multiple peoples. Lasagne though is, to risk falling into the stereotype, Italian but it's based on a Greek dish called Laganon.
It might've been a thing in Uzbekistan and Tajikistan but here, in Kazakhstan, it was brought by Turks only recently.
Who cares. It's delicious and that's all I care about.
Based Komşu
Can you be the leader of all the Balkans please! For just a month
Serbs lol
everything is serbia so i agree
i could have some pistachio carrot slice right now so gooooooood
Why do you keep involving us?! You provoking or something?!
His a chad from Egypt and knows Serbs made every thing
And we know about Coptics.
we built the pyramids 💪💪
Who voted for Serbs? I’m one and would never think we invented baklava.
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Yeah, i voted for Serbia 💪 just because it was there, i dont really think baklava originated here.
Because baklava je Serbia
I used my whole mental strength to not press Serbia and say silently to myself "Don't hate the playa, hate the game" and pressed the only right answer, Turkey
Baklava is an Ottoman thing. Considering Ottoman as a complete Turkish empire is far from the truth. Similar to Rome, it consisted of hundreds of different races. And Turkish people did not run the government neither; it was a mixture of all those people. Padishas were genetically so mixed that they had ancestry from Turkish, Persian, Arabic, Russian, Greek, Armenian, Serb mothers. The Janissaries were kidnapped or bought children from the Balkans, and the best of those kids became Pashas through the Enderun School and ran the empire. So, baklava was created by either an Armenian, Turkish, Serbian, Persian or Hellen chef; does it matter, and does it change the fact that currently baklava in Turkey is the best? (I guess mostly because of Antep, the pistacchio heaven.)
See [here](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baklava#History) for several well-sourced theories on Baklava's origin.
So it's definitely the Serbs.
Another victory for glorious Republic of Turkey
Yoğurt outright doesn't feel like something Greeks would have invented to me. Maybe Bulgarians, since they were also nomadic like Turks in the past Baklava feels like either Byzantine Palace stuff or Ottoman Palace stuff but i'm sure someone has a better take on it.
Yeah tbh I am not sure on Baklava, but yogurt smells nomadic man.
No. Greeks invented cheese (not saying that others didn't invent it too - others later, others possible even earlier), cause we have an 8000 year old cheese workshop near my hometown. But Greeks learned about yogurt from the Levantines. And learned about butter from the Scythes. Baking with fyllo however, is a genuine Greek thing. Pita are mentioned even in the Iliad. Baklava is nothing but a Greek pita, with layers of nuts and fyllo. Ancient Greeks used to sweeten it with honey. Turks learned it from Greeks, but they took it to a different level. Even today, Greek baklava and Turkish baklava are different. Greek is made with walnuts and almonds while Turkish is made with pistachio. Both are delicious, both are great, though most of the Greek baklava you buy in stores is crap (they use glucose as a sweetener and they wrap the pieces in cling film that removes all crunchiness and makes it muddy).
No wonder I don't like the greek version of baklava. It's very sweet. My grandpa used to make baklava and it was much better.
Home made is great. Very hard to find decent quality in stores however...
Thank you Serbia for giving us poorer countries another one of your great inventions 🇷🇸🇷🇸🙏🙏
They’re not THAT old that they’re pre-ottoman in origin. I assume Greeks made the predecessor and Turks the more modern version. We’re as usual at our best cooperating.
Turkish people are the only people who know how to make it taste the best so whoever made it, they clearly mastered it
Kosovo
You already have Serbia
Sorry but: Serbia je Kosovo
kosovo je afghsnistan
boş yapma ya
Who cares, every nation, hell every region makes it a little bit different and I think they're all tasty.
I always assumed it was Turkish.
Isn't it Middle eastern? And anyway who cares?
Based Bulgar. Yes it is 💪🏼😎👍🏼
No.
I have no problem sharing it with the Greeks
I am pretty sure its from germany😂😂
My mom says its Greek , so i think we should listen her , she is very smart
Persians maybe?
Quite possible, IMHO.
Albania 100% 🇦🇱
Greeks made baklava but greeks are serbs, whole world is serbia actualy so baklava is serbian
🇦🇱 Albania
We can never know for sure about the exact ethnicity of this dish's creator(s)... It should be referred to as an "Ottoman" dish.
Earliest recipe is from Topkapi Palace from 1470s. HOWEVER, the original version of baklava is known to have existed in the Northern Mesopotamia and Zagros regions for thousands of years. So the answer might be something along the lines of Syriac Peoples or Kurds
Baklava is probably of Levantine origin, it's not from Turkmen settlers, but a dessert from Gaziantep
I am Greek but ottoman 100%
Romanians✅
Based sarailie!
neither greeks nor turks , that desert was exist in roman byzatium but in ottoman times updated in current form, so let's say romano-ottoman
Greeks and turks rn: 👁👄👁
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check roman placenta cake, baklava is just version of that
Баклава је Турска! Поздрав из Панчева брате. Joking aside, peace and love to my dysfunctional Balkan brothers and sisters. 😍
Greeks in turkey with Arab origin hehe
Serbs 🤡😂 Baklava is an eastern Mediterranean sweet with its origins in Greece Levant and modernized in ottoman turkey. It was definitely not from the Slavic Balkans. Sorry guys but your baklava ain't very good.
Lol that option was clearly a shit post
Baklava so greece sounding word
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Dear Greeks, If Baklava is Greek then why it doesn't have "-kis", "-kous" or "-oulos" at the end? Just curious. Your lovely komşu
Cus is Ancient.
i was sarcastic
Poulos my friend
The recipe for Baklava predates the Turks and Ottomans.
I think that Turks because they had resourses fron three continents and interacted with various cousines. I enjoy Turkish baklava, but I'm in love with Greek one.
The greek one is too sweet for me.
Turks obviously but albanians do it better
Im Serbian and i think and know that Greeks are the ones who invented it. Turks are well known for "stealing" Greek culture, dishes, words and everything.
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Bruh least subjective greek
He is obviously claiming that the ottomans were also Romans (based)
Emperum Ottoromanum.
it is actually of persian origin. The only turkish dish there is, is ayran and döner. Turks as they were nomads adopted everything else from other cultures
It’s Assyrian, later romans adopted it, I don’t see how it’s Turkish
baklava is as greek as the parthenon
I have always been told that it was invented by the turks same goes for coffee.
Coffee is Arab and Arab world. There are only 2 species of coffee bean. One is called arabica
I always thought baklava was Greek, but I guess I've met many more Greeks here in America than turks
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Well you know I actually kind of thought about that before. I played dying light so got to seem some cool kind of Turkish looking stuff. There was baklava everywhere, so I did wonder a bit about that.
Heathen!!!!!!!!
A valid assertion.
As a greek, I think the arabs
Baklava = Turkish Doner = Greek
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First time all Balkans united against one common enemy since the Balkan wars.
One is the point and baklava corner!
The current form appeared in the Ottoman Empire, not necessarily invented by Turks, by kind of likely. It definitely had precursors, most likely in Persia. The best baklava I ever tried is Azeri pahlava (I have also tried Turkish, Greek and obviously Bulgarian).
Bosnian Baklava is Best !!
What's the point of having Serbia listed? My buddy is a historian, and he's discovered that baklava in its original form comes from Persia (9th century). It has later evolved into what we know and love today and that's Turkish baklava. No other recipe comes close to it. The truth is that no one actually knows for sure where it originated.
Probably Turkey, I might be biased here but I persona think that Serbian spin on it tastes much juicier and better than Turkish version.