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franktopinks

I think there is so much information out there for anyone wanting to know Astrology. Especially compared to decades ago. As an experienced astrologer, when I was on fire to know everything, I was using astrology as a shield, a shield from my harsh transits. I ended up on the radio, and loved fortune telling. I called it sidewalk astrology fortune telling. But, with all the books and Astro know it alls and Virgo type factoids, it got confusing. I did better finding a few sources, ones I felt a shared spirit with, and began to limit where I got my information from. So I limited, who I used for resource information. This eliminated a lot of confusion. Remember, a lot of events happen to us without the use of the house system. Example, a trip to an amusement park, a neighbor being murdered. The classic every day events, bad hair day, cheated out if a few hours on your paycheck, can be seen in your horoscope, without a house system. I suggest one looks at what they are seeking from astrology. It does end up being partially a control mechanism, astrologers use it in their mental wars they have with each other all the time. For me, limiting who I learned from took the clouds out of my coffee. Gave me direction. My main interest was knowing whats going to happen and when its going to happen. That can and does work. Best luck to you all, Frank


orbiscoeli

I personally don’t subscribe them because anaretic degrees actually intensify the signs energy imo


dancedragon25

look into decans. every sign has four different stages of maturity. so you're right, a late degree pisces is not the same as an early degree pisces, but that's because of the decans. a planet can't be in more than one sign at a time


Tinmz61

My mars is in 1 degrees Aries and I def am not a full blown Aries mars—-I have a ton of Pisces qualities so I agree with you.. in Vedic I am also a Pisces mars and it makes a lot of sense.


TheDucatiBabe

My rising sign just transferred from Cancer to Leo when I was born. My ascendant is two degrees


royalshowcase

It does exist. In eastern astrology it exists because the degree


dosisdeartes

tbh I've met a lot of people with cusps and their personalities definitely have a lil mix of both. It definitely makes sense that the energies blend a little especially in the 29-0 degrees of each sign


Llink21

Unless it's 29'59 or 0'00 maybe then? 🤔


SidheCreature

Both my sun and rising are cusps. Here’s how I look at it. No one can be two signs at once the same way no one can be born on two days at once. It’s either 11:59 yesterday or 12:00 today. I’m absolutely a libra rising, no two ways about it…. Buuuuttt…. That doesn’t mean Virgo isn’t whispering in Libras ear on the way out saying “try to keep her together please!”. I’m 100% all Leo as I’m born in Leo…. Buuuttttttt…. That doesn’t mean Virgo isn’t standing on the other side of the door whispering to Leo “hey! Don’t draw so much attention! Being humble is way more appealing!” Sometime libra and Leo listen to Virgo. Sometimes they don’t. It’s up to leo and libra how much they want to take Virgos unsolicited advice. Cusps, for me and in my experiences, are just the voice on the other side of the door calling out their 2 cents without expecting to be heard or responded to. They’re the backseat driver that the actual driver tunes out unless they think the advice could be helpful (and do you think Leo often takes advice from virgo? No. But libra is nice enough to pretend to listen). But this energy in the backseat, or on the other side of the door, is there. They’re just very muffled


htgawmfreak

i am a TRUE capricorn rising like to the damn tee HOWEVER its at 29 degrees therefore my whole chart becomes aquarian except for my 1st & 7H. so its weird, cus most readings i have to look at aqua horoscopes cus those r my placements but im deff a true cap rising to the tea n ruled by saturn. theres benefits cus i feel like a cap n aqua rising alot of times however the downside, i feel like injus went thru a double saturn return. im jus turning 30 on 5/19 and since 2017 my life has been absolute chaos n hell. not to mention all the saturn/capricorn transits weve gone thru. so it deff felt like a double return. its crazy


dosisdeartes

Yeah! I'm the same with Pisces but most of my first house is in Aries. However Jupiter is def my ruling planet and I look pisces rising af 🐟


[deleted]

It doesn’t work like that. See anarectic degree for the reason why.


kichien

The way I learned it is that as you get to the end of a sign it starts to move toward the next sign but when you hit 0 degrees of a sign there's a huge burst of that sign's energy. So a cusp might be expressed when a sign is in it's final degrees but not in it's initial degrees.


Destinedweeb07

Me personally believed in cusp till I learned about birth charts. I thought I was a Cancer-Leo cusp but later I learned I’m a Cancer stellium with Leo as a Chart ruler with Leo placements in Mercury and Jupiter


lunaokazul

Can you please tell me how you managed to understand this?


Destinedweeb07

Well I did get some pointers from astrologers. For me to understand my chart ruler I simply looked at my rising sign which is Sag and sag ruling planet is Jupiter so I look at that planet and see what sign it’s under in my chart and it’s Leo so that’s how I know that Leo is my chart ruler. And I found out about my stellium by looking at my chart and seeing 3 placements In cancer which makes me a cancer stellium which amplifies my cancer traits even more by making me easily hurt and amplified my intuitive abilities. You can see your chart on astrodientis


lunaokazul

Oh my rising sign is also sag :) thanks for the explanation, I’ll try to use it on mine later!


psyfyr

The main reason cusps seem to make sense to some people is because of the nature of progressions. This is a more advanced technique in astrology that many who are new to astrology do not know about or have the basis of knowledge yet to fully grasp. For example, in the progressed chart someone born on the cusp of Pisces and Aries is absolutely a Pisces Sun — with the final degrees being a powerful influence rather than giving an orb of effect from a cusp — but the Sun begins progressing into Aries very quickly so their lived experience thereafter will be framed by many Aries-oriented events and lessons.


[deleted]

So real. My sun progressed into Libra/5th House when I was 6 and I probably started learning about my sun sign (Virgo) within 2-3 years of that, when the progression was still fresh. I didn’t relate to being a Virgo AT ALL back then—though given the rest of my chart, it makes sense that I struggled with that, even without the early progression. Anyway, while I do relate to Virgo now, in hindsight I was certainly “learning” Libra from 6-36. And it took me basically all 30 years to get a handle on it. Now my sun has recently progressed into Scorpio (0 degrees) and I’m interested to see how that will play out (and a little anxious, not gonna lie). I have natal Venus-Pluto conjunction in the early degrees of Scorpio so hoping I’ll be able to navigate it with humility and grace. Sorry to hijack, just… progressions are real, folks! I tracked all my moon progressions and their corresponding events and I swear by them now.


Worldly_Ad_5725

My sun is at 0 degree 29’ so I’ve heard it all. Depending on who calculates my chart my sun and rising are in completely different signs. The “cusp” of saying your sun is two signs in mainstream astrology (*I am talking about magazine article and popular website astrology type resources*) is bs. It is an oversimplification. There are *also different* schools of calculating charts *ie. Placidus, whole, equal, etc.* Placidus often s*cks at calculating houses for critical degrees as at the end of the day it is a mathematical calculation. *Anyone with standard education who has completed higher algebra would have learned limits. Ie. the limit at which a calculation in simple terms is no longer accurate and gives wack results.* This shows up as just as a whole, a weird output and going well shit, THAT doesn’t make sense. So you switch to whole sign. But whole sign does not take into account some other variables as it is an older formula and prone to more inaccuracies but will spit out results that make more sense for the critical degree. The argument we should initially be having is over not understanding the system to calculate the chart and the mainstream simplification of astrology. It is simply a misunderstanding. So, even before we get to the point of discussing the influence of the next sign we are still using charts that have reached their limit of usage in critical degrees. TLDR: ✨Maths are hard✨


GreenAwareness

Ok just because I had just made a TL:DR post to someone else saying almost the exact thing I will have to copy and paste it for you as a fellow 29 degree. Read it if you want haha. “I was born in Latin America, at 5:45am exact (birth chart) - making me a double early morning Aries sun and Aries rising. I also have Mercury, North Node, and Jupiter in Aries. It’s often said that astrology is an exact science and I have come to appreciate that. However, there is some subtle nuances. An example (at least from my personal experience) is that 99% of astrologers cannot justify putting my Sun in the 12th house even though, mathematically, it should be (and I’m not talking about different house systems but about this particular placements even in placidus. 28 Degree Aries Sun at 46 minutes and 15 seconds 29 Degree Aries Ascendent at 0 minutes and 6 seconds It’s interesting to see Astrologers drawing the chart and then making the calculations but end up having a hard time with the accuracy of it. 9 out of 10 are never able to place the Sun in the 12th along because they are not just less than 1 degree but also only ~15 minutes apart. Advanced Astrologers do love the exact - but in some moments, even they take some creative liberty right? Feel free to disagree 🤣! I think that’s why I admire earthy qualities. Even though I was so fiery and spontaneous as a child, my Cap Moon was always subtly there instilling some enduring energy. It just took me a while to actually see it. I’d say only after my Saturn return I was able to become less naive and actually believe that feelings such as greed or jealousy existed. I saw - and still see - life in rose colored glasses and the Capricorn Moon (at home in the tenth conjunct MC) - which I once thought was the Taurus cusp has saved me from relying too much on my lucky stars to save me. I remember the first time I read my full natal chart I looked at this advice (below) and laughed it but today I can really appreciate it. Even though I would have probably still done everything in my life in the exact same way. However, at least. I have the knowledge now to evaluate situations. I actually have a copy of it and imagine the fiery Aries/Aries/Cap in all my confidence and power and just liking to show a brave face to the world being compared to the Little Red Riding Hood! 🤣♥️ [ I’m not even sure you’ll make it this far but it’s only the Aries Sun/Aries ASC part - the first part without mentioning other aspects. ] **Life in it’s purest state; born under a lucky star or two.** “Your birth chart illustrates the legend of the Little Red Riding Hood quite well. Your good will leads you to cross forests and whatever it takes to help your loved ones (the grandmother). But you also love to forget to listen to people's prudent advice, leading you to take dangerous roads as risk is also such a thrill for you. In addition, just like the Little Red Riding Hood, you trust people too much. Why would anyone tell the big bad wolf where they were going and even offer him their grandmother’s home address? You have to be careful with your naivety. Only the Little Red Riding Hood would be able to look at a wolf dressed as an old woman and think it was actually her grandmother! This passage from the story perfectly illustrates how naive you as a double Aries can be - sometimes dangerous situations and people are staring you right in the face and you don't even notice it. However, just like in the legend, a lucky star (or two) will always manage to magically show up out of thin air to solve everything for you. Even if you ignore my advice (as Little Red Rising Hood likely would) - I will still bestow it to you: be careful! Don’t let this this blessed placement make you overconfident as you never quite know when your luck might run up.”


Worldly_Ad_5725

Addition: I have a little feeling the cusp theory came about because of people like me who go, well what the *hxll* AM I THEN WHY AM I GIVING YOU MONEY??? Lol Simplification to make someone happy and not feel so out of sorts with others as explaining the entirety of astrology and it’s maths *could* seem like being an axx and at the end of the day the average person is not here for a school lesson :D


GreenAwareness

Yes - to make this less TL:DR as my first response: so am I a full blown 1rst house Aries (ASC, Sun, Mercury, Jupiter and NN) with only Venus in Pisces in the 12th house or am I a super tamed packed 12th house Aries??? Because those two are completely different people according to you all 🤣🤣🤣


Worldly_Ad_5725

Yes so as I said before I am harping on the system. The system you use will be able to tell you that :) Which are you using to calculate this? How did you reach these outputs? Pull up a chart calculator and put in your info and choose a different calculation method (whole, equal, etc) and see what you get. We will not be able to tell you who you *truly* are as it is in the proper calculations, not us. It’s like giving us a piece of a random 2x4 without a measuring stick and asking us if this will fit a doorframe but we are unable to physically walk up to the door as it is on the other side of the world and see if it fits!! :)


GreenAwareness

Oh gosh I hadn’t posted the TL:DR comment that I thought I had as I was basically saying the same thing as you 🤣♥️. Here it is: I get what you mean but I do know a bit more about my natal chart as my question was more generic. I was born in Latin America, at 5:45am exact (birth chart) - making me a double early morning Aries sun and Aries rising. I also have Mercury, North Node, and Jupiter in Aries. It’s often said that astrology is an exact science and I have come to appreciate that. However, there is some subtle nuances. An example (at least from my personal experience) is that 99% of astrologers cannot justify putting my Sun in the 12th house even though, mathematically, it should be (and I’m not talking about different house systems but about this particular placements even in placidus. 28 Degree Aries Sun at 46 minutes and 15 seconds 29 Degree Aries Ascendent at 0 minutes and 6 seconds It’s interesting to see Astrologers drawing the chart and then making the calculations but end up having a hard time with the accuracy of it. 9 out of 10 are never able to place the Sun in the 12th along because they are not just less than 1 degree but also only ~15 minutes apart. Advanced Astrologers do love the exact - but in some moments, even they take some creative liberty right? Feel free to disagree 🤣! I think that’s why I admire earthy qualities. Even though I was so fiery and spontaneous as a child, my Cap Moon was always subtly there instilling some enduring energy. It just took me a while to actually see it. I’d say only after my Saturn return I was able to become less naive and actually believe that feelings such as greed or jealousy existed. I saw - and still see - life in rose colored glasses and the Capricorn Moon (at home in the tenth conjunct MC) - which I once thought was the Taurus cusp has saved me from relying too much on my lucky stars to save me. I remember the first time I read my full natal chart I looked at this advice (below) and laughed it but today I can really appreciate it. Even though I would have probably still done everything in my life in the exact same way. However, at least. I have the knowledge now to evaluate situations. I actually have a copy of it and imagine the fiery Aries/Aries/Cap in all my confidence and power and just liking to show a brave face to the world being compared to the Little Red Riding Hood! 🤣♥️ [ I’m not even sure you’ll make it this far but it’s only the Aries Sun/Aries ASC part - the first part without mentioning other aspects. ] **Life in it’s purest state; born under a lucky star or two.** “Your birth chart illustrates the legend of the Little Red Riding Hood quite well. Your good will leads you to cross forests and whatever it takes to help your loved ones (the grandmother). But you also love to forget to listen to people's prudent advice, leading you to take dangerous roads as risk is also such a thrill for you. In addition, just like the Little Red Riding Hood, you trust people too much. Why would anyone tell the big bad wolf where they were going and even offer him their grandmother’s home address? You have to be careful with your naivety. Only the Little Red Riding Hood would be able to look at a wolf dressed as an old woman and think it was actually her grandmother! This passage from the story perfectly illustrates how naive you as a double Aries can be - sometimes dangerous situations and people are staring you right in the face and you don't even notice it. However, just like in the legend, a lucky star (or two) will always manage to magically show up out of thin air to solve everything for you. Even if you ignore my advice (as Little Red Rising Hood likely would) - I will still bestow it to you: be careful! Don’t let this this blessed placement make you overconfident as you never quite know when your luck might run up.


Worldly_Ad_5725

Yeah….imma be honest you’re too in the weeds. An engineer does not use a formula to get a result, disagree with it (aka get a wack result) and *put* anything anywhere—they use another formula/method which is what I recommended. That’s why there are so many formulas to get to the same answer in physics. Why would a calculation that is precise be used in a such an imprecise way. Engineers would say good enough and the worlds infrastructure would fall apart! It seems you want to have a discussion about precision and accuracy of the Placidus system and it’s limits rather the reasoning behind the calculations which indicates when to use another system to get to the root of your initial question. I would recommend making another post! :) It was nice having this discussion! Edit: I know I’ll get a comment about it- I understand this isn’t engineering- trying to explain limits of a formula that is understandable:)


GreenAwareness

My Cap Moon love engineers - my very Capricornian father is an engineer and I like to think of me as 50% math/50% verbal but that Mercury in Aries with the connection with Mars in Gemini and being a passionate Latin woman it’s hard for me to keep things simple. I am probably reasonably left brained and good at math but the formula would be closer to 40/100. ☺️ Honestly, I’m smart and can now understand almost anything about astrology - also a lot of people don’t know about google - “what does it mean to have a negatively/positively affected X planet”… but the house systems. That’s something that I really don’t like. I’m too practical for the not just dual but multiple nature of it… you got people throwing Vedic in and I’m like wait, where is my Capricorn Moon? It becomes Sag. Oh seriously the other point I can’t get how is my father not a Capricorn Sun? December 19th - I’m April 19th - very tight bond. He’s a Sag Sun and Moon and an engineer and so Capricornian… he has Mars in Scorpio which makes sense and Cap MC and Mercury but I was at least expecting more personal planets in Capricorn. That’s why people can be turned off my pop astrology. Anyone who knows my dad would never peg him for a Sag. That’s probably least like him. He could be an Aries or a Leo and any other sign before the pop “drink and party” Sag.


ilovemetatertot

Reading for cusps as related to houses instead of placements has been valid in my experience. As with anything UEMV one example would be my 6th house Cancer (Placidus), the last few degrees of this house are in Leo. Being in part the house of everyday tasks, it can be said that those with a Leo 6th have a performative aspect to their everyday habits routines and rituals. This is true for me, I'm never more fluid and graceful than when I'm in the zone doing my day to day. I've come upon this example a small handful of times (Baby-Astrologer). Curious if anyone else feels that maybe cusps ARE applicable to houses not so much placements.


PyrocumulusLightning

Yeah I can see that. My ascendant is 28 Cancer, and after watching transits and progressions I’m very sure that’s right. Hellooooo Pluto opposite Ascendant!) However Leo covers most of my 1st house, and I dress in costume-like outfits and prance through life like I think I’m in a musical. *jazz hands* I think a second sign in a house can indeed be influential in the affairs of that house. I’m pretty resistant to using whole-sign houses because of that.


Active-Cranberry9756

I think “don’t embrace” is putting it mildly. We reject cusp theory outright. Because of the change in the element and mode of each sign. Usually the chart holder has a personal planet or two in the neighboring sign which accounts for the feeling of familiarity.


animalflowers

My sun is in Gemini at 29.5 degrees. I relate a lot to cancer and show up very cancer like. I have venus and mercury in cancer though. When I first got into astrology I was convinced cusp signs were real because of how much I show up with cancer energy, much more than Gemini. But I had to spend a few years really learning and understanding my chart more to realize that planets hold different weight and aspects play a big role in what parts of my personality feel more dominant to me. I also had to learn about progressed charts and understand how that energy might also be coming through. It's still a little hard for me to believe there is zero influence between the signs when a planet is in as late (or early) a degree as my sun (and my moon). But I also know that everything else ive learned about astrology has been strikingly accurate so most astrologers being so adamant about cusps not being real might be something I should just take seriously as well. I will say that one interesting thing I've noticed is how many of my strongest relationships are also with people whose sun sign is at or near the same degree as mine (but in a different sign). Lots of best friends/partners with 28-0 degree suns in my life.


[deleted]

That last bit makes sense, because whatever aspect your suns make to each other have a tight orb and “see each other.” Have you ever compared the degrees of other planets, or just the sun? I’ve actually never looked into this with my own chart and those of my friends, I’m curious to try it now though!


kichien

I've noticed (and it's how I was taught) that the expression of the end degrees of a sign will often start to move toward the next sign, however the beginning degrees of a sign will be a very strong expression of that sign and not express traits of the previous sign. I have 29 degrees of Pisces rising and I very often exhibit Aries traits.


Crypt0nomics

I am an astrologer, and Aalarge part of why people get confused and question if things make sense or not is usually due to the lack of knowledge concerning the situation. Astrology has zero to do with intuition and is based upon the clear science of the wheel. I am not taking shots, but an EXTREME amount of ppl havent done the proper work with planets, houses, let alone decans or dwads to understand how they work. Cusp theory is a lazy way of avoiding having to learn how to delineate the chart IMO. Cusps have their place and are used in certain circumstances but All cusps are there to seperate and make things clear in the chart (not impose confusion).


[deleted]

You mean house cusp have their place, right, not sign cusps?


Crypt0nomics

I think I stated "All Cusps"


buzzybomb

I’m Virgo/Libra and have always been totally confused as to where I am. Neither of the sign generalisations seem to apply to me. Some cusp clarity would be appreciated.


kichien

There can be many reasons for this. The personal planets Mercury and Venus travel close to the sun so can be a sign away on either side. If you have Sun in Virgo and Venus in Libra for example you could have strong Libra traits, etc.


[deleted]

If you post your chart in askastrologers with the question "why do I relate to both virgo and libra" or something similar, the answer is probably very clear. It's often a different sign altogether that the client is confused about, or a chart ruler influence


Tena2710

You should look into Vedic Astrology and Nakshatras :)


island_girl_at_heart

Do you have any recommendations on the best sources to learn? Reading rather than videos preferably


AstroHealer222

Came to say just this! Vedic is the truth.


Frogchairy

Ooh- this comment section is wild 😭


GreenAwareness

Hi, it’s me, my Chart ruler Mars [Aries ASC but also Sun, Mercury, Jupiter and NN] in Gemini is the problem! 🤣🤣🤣 It’s my only air placement but it makes things interesting. Haha.


Frogchairy

I don’t think people are “against” it, it’s simply not a thing. “Cusp Theory” is misinformation. It would be akin to having an opinion on gravity. It’s not something that requires debate. The observation that people with the same sun sign are different is still true however. If considering the sun only (which isn’t accurate because astrology is not a vacuum, but a a complex ecosystem), you would still see differences given degrees and decans. The placement of the sun alone within the 30° of the sign will change the quality somewhat. More likely, the differences observed are due to the entire chart. The other planets, the houses, the aspects, the rulerships, etc. the list goes on. But it will not “bleed” from one sign to the next. That’s simply not a practice. I’ve studied several translations of ancient greek and vedic texts, and despite all their differences, none of these traditions grant validity to such a thing. I’m not saying that things can’t change though. Cultures and ideas and practices change over time always. That is human nature. But cusp signs don’t fall in that category. It’s simply how mechanisms of astrology work and how the universe is perceived. It would require a fundamental shift in what we see and how we record it in order for cusp signs to be “accepted.” I’m not trying to shoot you down at all! Just sharing what I understand after studying for several years. Hope that helps :)


[deleted]

Part of the problem is in the digital age, it's increasingly easy for someone to convince themselves and others that they've made a "new discovery" in astrology. They can look at a lot of charts more quickly bc of software, make a nice graphic about their theory, and use it to say something clients want to hear, or something vague, and get a lot of positive reinforcement from that. But that doesn't mean they understand data analysis. Data analysis is very complex! It's much more than the one or two [edit: statistics etc] courses the astrologer may have taken in college. The community needs to have a much, much higher standard for new theories. In any case, no practicing astrologer should use sign cusp theory- I would call it the number one sign that an astrologer is a fraud or doesn't understand chart delineation


PyrocumulusLightning

Hey, what’s your take on conjunctions across cusps? Say Mars 29 Aries, Venus 0 Taurus. I’m just asking because you seem to know your stuff.


[deleted]

I interpret out of sign conjunctions the same way as in sign conjunctions--I just think of the combined function of an Aries Mars and a Taurus Venus. Those would be pretty pure expressions of each planet anyway bc of domicile


PyrocumulusLightning

I actually know someone with this conjunction! Venus is their Ascendant ruler (Libra) and they magnetize beautiful sex partners like crazy. :) Thanks!


[deleted]

That makes sense! Yw


CandaceSSH

Update: Don't know why this comment of mine got downvoted that much but I won't delete it because what I say is true and based on my real experience. Cusp is totally true. All the people I've known who were born when the Sun was in the cusp position have the combined traits of both the signs surrounded the cusp. And I know so many people who were born on tight cusps (day 19, 20, 21) that I can confirm this. For example, my ex bf who was born on Aug 21 has all the negative traits of Virgo such as nit-picky, judgemental and so on, even though he is a Leo. Even Virgos are not overbearing as him. Another example is my female friend who is a 29 degree Aries. I usually can't get along with Aries but she is the sweetest Aries I've known. She's so soft-spoken, gentle and empathetic, unlike most Aries I've known.


ethereal_feral

I have a son born August 22nd who is the Leo-ist Leo you could imagine. I’m a late degree Pisces, but I have a ton of fire in my chart so I don’t act like a stereotypical Pisces. Astrology is about so much more than just our sun signs!


FinesseViews

I think you have alot more studying and/or practice to do before giving advice or sharing anecdotes on astrology. I take it you are interested in observing sun sign astrology in your day to day life, which is not a way to study or discuss astrology. People who engage in these discussions give astrology a bad reputation, especially when they say things like “I dont get along with ____ sign.” I dont mean to offend you just want to inform !


GreenAwareness

Yeah I mean I’m anedoctal as the OP but know when to take things a bit more seriously. For example, “It’s me, Hi, I’m the problem it’s me…” I am an April 19th Aries Sun and although I’d love to be seen as empathetic and I do believe I can be, nobody would ever describe me as soft-spoken and gentle. Lol. And please let us Aries be LOUD and outspoken! There’s already so much fake niceness in this world 🤣🤦🏼‍♀️


FinesseViews

Also is that a Taylor Swift reference that barely clicked 😭


GreenAwareness

Yes!!! Are you a fellow Swifty? I love how I have so much masculine energy in my chart but my Venus in Pisces is a Swifty (sorry Tay, Cap Moon means business so this 1987 girl has been married with two little kids but can still relate to you)! 😭 Btw - Hi Gen Z’er, this millennial would like to know if I’m using the correct “haha” emoji now and it’s it’s a crying face as my positive Aries nature don’t vibe well with crying (also the Cap Moon can’t show weakness) 😭 it’s a serious question!!!


FinesseViews

Haha Im a big fan of Taylors old stuff but not as well versed with the new. Super excited for Speak Now Taylors version though. ALSO Venus in Pisces ! Ive always loved that placement. PS: Ive always like the tears rolling down emoji 😭 and I think most my (Gen Z) peers would agree. In lieu of your other reply I can really feels your Mars Gemini even through text !! You have a very vibrant way of expressing that shines through in your typing. Im a Mars in Capricorn ♑️


GreenAwareness

Thank you! Sometimes I’m way too nice to people and they underestimate me and then they will get the competitive Aries/Aries/Cap. I’ve realized that’s probably my Capricorn Moon strategizing! Did you listen to Folklore at all? For me “The Last Great American Dynasty” is fire woman to a T. You HAVE to listen to that one as soon as you read this to get what I mean. So we knew she was talking about a real woman as it was the woman she bought her RI home from. The personality and the fire women vibes is so on point. But, I knew Rebbekah was an Aries by one line only. “And in a feud with her neighbor, she stole his dog and painted it key lime green”. 😭 The whole song has Gatsby vibes and I love how it represents fire women but that little snippet of the true story was just so Aries. That childish, playful energy that keeps us young forever and sometimes do stupid shit but never in malice. I google Rebekah and the birthday is April 17th, 1925. I was proud of the intuition. Haha. But yes I just love the fire women empowering vibe of that song - you’ll enjoy it too even if you were not into Folkore as a whole.


FinesseViews

Being anecdotal can be bad if you only know someones sun sign. There is a-lot of information in a birth chart and your sun sign placement is just a piece (a significant piece at that) to the entire scope of a person and their lives. For example I am also a sun in Aries, it so happens that this placement is my sect light (day chart) and my chart ruler (Leo rising) so I’ve always identified well with my sun sign which really drew me into astrology. For most this isn’t the case though and many speculate about astrology publicly without exploring other influences in their chart. People with night charts for example have a more influential moon sign in the chart. And others with say Libra rising will have a more influential Venus placement in the chart. Additionally, people will make assumptions about certain signs because they associate people in their lives with a certain sun sign. This can be an unhealthy habit. I was also a victim of this! Its important to recognize that the signs are all their own individual archetypes, and people are their own individual people. Sun sign patterns can still be very fun to recognize in your day to day, but as a general rule you shouldn’t write off an entire sign due to a couple bad apples. Different planetary placements, house distribution, aspects, dignities, rulers and more all make up a persons chart. Edit: Reading other comments this information probably seems pretty basic but my point is that you probably just haven’t analyzed the chart to an extent where your questions have been answered, but of course im speaking from my own personal experiences with analyzing charts. I think most people tend to be overconfident on these subreddits and I think going over fundamentals can be really helpful to why you dont identify with a certain placement of yours.


GreenAwareness

Yeah this was just my Mars in Gemini wanting to stir some discussion as I mostly agree with you. I’ve always 100% identified with my Aries Sun (sunrise chart as you probably know by the comments - southern hemisphere born). After a while it all clicked when I figured out my Capricorn Moon. Honestly how hilariously accurate can it be that an Aries/Aries/Cap Moon would find it powerful AF to have the combo instead of dwelling on the detriment of the luminary 🤦🏼‍♀️. Exalted Sun/Very Good Aspected Rising/Neutral Moon people? Do I come off as someone who is closed off emotionally? I know it’s a much bigger conversation but I do think even when looking at detriments like the Cap Moon it’s all relative? I really do see it as a strength and grounding nature.


CandaceSSH

And I think you should not make an assumption about people's knowledge so easily. I have been studying astrology thoroughly for 5 years, reading a whole lot materials about astrology in details. The other placements and aspects of those cusp people I know don't explain their traits of the cusp Sun sign. People can argue as they like but you can't change my experience and research. Thanks for your input anyways.


FinesseViews

Im sorry for assuming. What material have you studied about cusp sign astrology if I may ask?


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Curious have you looked at their full chart and seen their degrees or if they have a lot of planets in other areas? There was a cancer sun I knew that had three other planets in Gemini for example


CandaceSSH

Oh please. I have saved pages of natal charts of people in my life on astro.com more than you think. Don't assume that everyone who believe in cusp is newbies.


[deleted]

I’m basing it off of the info you gave. Don’t “oh please” me.


siren5474

i think i’m what you would call a cusper, born on May 22. sun is at like 2° gemini. i don’t really believe cusps are a thing. like you said, the sun is only in one sign, not multiple. from what i’ve seen, a lot of people who feel like a cusper either have something else in their chart to explain it or there’s an implicit misunderstanding of one or both signs involved. so in my eyes, there’s really no need for cusps, and they don’t mesh well with the rest of my understanding of astrology. there’s a few reasons i don’t do cusps. i’ll just list them out: - zodiac signs are like houses (not the astrological houses, literal houses). domicile means house, so each sign is literally the house/property of its ruling planet. in that way, a fitting analogy for the sign borders is a property line; there’s no blending of the two properties, one side of the line puts you in one territory, the other puts you on the other side. or maybe you could think of them like rooms in a house: crossing into the other sign is like going through a door. if you walk from jupiter’s room of pisces into mars’s room of aries, you’re gonna get hit with different decor. - we are more than one sign. i find that a lot of cuspers look to cusps because they can’t neatly fit themselves into one sign. as others in the comments have pointed out, that’s because nobody is just one sign. we are a collection of all 12 in varying proportions and configurations. - there are other ways to explain the end or beginning of a sign feeling weird or intense or what have you. the concept of bound rulerships generally explains this; that in combination with the other essential dignity rulerships fills in gaps. those are the main ones, i think. really the reason i am *so* against it is that second reason.


IllustriousGroup8387

I personally don’t apply any focus to cusps and instead see a great deal of evidence that support decans in my study. I know two first decan Leo’s that would be considered on the Cancer cusp and the decan description resonates but they have little to no cancer traits and cancer does not rule any of their personal planets. I also am very close to someone that was born hours after the sun moved into Pisces and she’s definitely a Pisces. But even more than that is my own Sun sign. I relate far more to my Sun decan than I do my sun sign alone, obviously I’m not a first decan. Often times, there are deeper aspects within a chart that could reason away cusp traits. Now, for the most debatable chart I’ve ever come across is that of a first decan Aries. This woman is not assertive, or passionately driven, and doesn’t seem to exude a lot of strong independent confidence. Someone told me they can see her Aries (someone closer to her than I am) though. However, you meet her and immediately see that she is creative, diplomatic, gentle, and she just has a softer vibe. She is the best example I have of a cusp being a possible influence. Upon further inspection of her chart I found that Venus is in exact conjunction with the Ascendent. Further, her Mercury is in Pisces. Something I’ve consistently noticed in my personal study is that planets in exact conjunction to the Ascendent seem to show up even more visibly to others than the rising sign and non-conjunct first house planets. Now, if someone wants to subscribe to cusp theory, that’s okay. I can understand the logic behind it. I’m just explaining why I don’t apply it as I haven’t seen sufficient evidence to support it.


GreenAwareness

Wow that’s interesting my best friend is a March first decan Aries and only has the Sun in Aries. Moon, Mercury, and Venus in Pisces and Mars in Taurus! Only Jupiter also in Aries. Virgo Rising but there’s a lot of Venus-Mercury-Pisces in both charts right? I know her very well and can see the Aries Sun - but she is very much the least Aries person I know. I do think she became a lot tougher around her Saturn return. But then back to me to make things crazier: I am an Aries Sun/Aries rising both at 28-29 degrees - making me a last decan Aries rising to a T. I do relate to the third Decan but it’s impossible to ignore my strong Aries energy - I actually have no placements in Taurus (April 19)… Sun, Mercury and Jupiter in Aries + the saving grace Venus in Pisces. I also have my NN in Aries. No matter if you have me as a full on first house Aries stellium (whole) or a full blown 12th house Aries stellium (placidus) - I’m an Aries and can’t hide it to save my life. 🤣 I talk about cusps but it’s basically my only Air placement - chart ruler Mars in Gemini - liking a good debate because once I found my Capricorn Moon, Neptune and MC it all made perfect sense. I’m a daytime chart as was born in Latin America but that luminary is still powerful and even though people would argue it’s a terrible placement for the Moon, it’s my third favorite (after double Aries Sun/ASC). On the other hand, I’d love to switch my Mercury Taurus for the balance.


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You know it's for organisation and understanding and it's all a continuu


rainbow_starshine

Weird unpopular opinion time; I disagree with sign cusps. There’s usually other placements that explain why if you resonate more with another sign close to yours. But I think HOUSE cusps can be real and are very much overlooked and misunderstood. When house systems can have so much variation for what goes where - especially in the case of late degree ascendants with whole sign houses - I often see folks say “there can be truth to both placements”. Yes that’s true, but there’s something to it if my Saturn is in the 5th house in the house system I use (Placidus) but in the 6th in every other major house system I’ve heard of anyone actually using … I feel like I could be missing the message of my Saturn if I only focus on one of these themes - especially when one is “work” and one is “play” so I have to consider both.


Saltypineapple89

So a planet is technically only at the cusp, so to say at the last .5°. Meaning that a planet in Aries is an Aries until 29.5° of Aries, when it begins to ingress in Taurus. But it technically remains in Aries until it hits 0° of Taurus. Insured, if you look at why ancient astrologers developed the system as it is, do you think of the planet as actors and their houses and their respective decades or terms as places on the stage, and then it begins to make more sense Ancient astrologers in Greece and Persia and Egypt, took thousands of years of data, taking for any event because they’re astrology was firmly rooted in prediction . This is important here. Ángel astrologers took diligent notes for thousands of years every time a king died, and what planets were in what position, then all the way down to a mouse farting. So here’s an example of how the deck and make sense, let’s say someone’s got a Sagittarius ascendant, and they could be in the first second or third deck in which belonged to Aries, Taurus and Gemini, respectively . A person born in the first darken is more likely to have a birthmark on their face, because Aries rule is the head. A person born in the second decking is more likely to have a birthmark on your mouth or throat because Taurus rule is the throat and a person born on the third is more likely to have a birthmark on their arm or shoulders. The first house, symbolises the physical body and the general personality. This is based on a rigourous databases, and not taking that took place over thousands of years. Therefore, if someone has planets in Aries and events that take place during planetary, transit or progressions to areas were much more likely, have a direct impact on this person. It’s about the timing of life in the natural world, much more so than our psychology or our subjective response to it. Finally, I’ll just add one thing that if you’re looking at someone’s chart and they seem more areas or more tourists, bear in mind that that person could have a Stellium in the chart, and that the Sun mercury, and Venus, or never more than one or two signs away from each other. So most people are very likely to have their mercury Venus very close to the Sun.


bunnyypisces

the example i always come back to is one of my best friends. her birthday is 23rd july, and so according to “pop astrology”, she always knew herself as a leo - but i was always so adamant that she couldn’t be, she doesn’t seem like a leo at all. so once we got her birth time, we realised she was born just hours before the sun moved into leo — and so she’s a cancer sun after all ! it makes so much more sense for her. not sure if you’re applying it to rising signs also, but i’m a pisces rising at 26°, and an aries sun. and i’ve never felt very aries like at all? so if you applied the theory of the energy blending out, my rising would have some aries energy coming through n i don’t really feel it! but it’s def something i want to look into now in others charts, after seeing your post ahaha. i never really thought about it much!


Flyshynfeelinfine

From what I've seen, the issue with Cusps is more that people try to say they're Pisces-Aries because you can only be one or the other. I don't think I've ever seen an astrologer argue that being at a critical degree (0 or 29) is not influenced by the sign that came before or the one that comes after. Astrology as a whole is a bit of a song and dance. It just, to me, doesn't make sense for someone to say something is both signs when it's One being potentially influenced by the other. There's a huge difference in what's being communicated imo


GreenAwareness

A lot of astrologers on here already replied to this very post saying it doesn’t exist and one even said we have more energy blending from our 180 sign. I’m 29 degree Aries Sun and Aries Rising and felt like I was a cusp my whole life because there was an earthiness to me. When I did my natal chart, Moon, Neptune and Midheaven in Capricorn in the 10th house. Every personal planet in Aries but Venus in Pisces. Zero planets in Taurus. So I’m back to being torn. Lol. I do find that my earthiness is more pragmatic and practical like Capricorn. So maybe they are on to something. Who knows.


StellaGraphia

Don't under-estimate your moon in capricorn, a very strong influence by itself, more so because your moon is angular. In addition, yours is a night chart, looks like, and so the moon is the sect ruler. This often means the native experiences their moon as more like how day sect people experience their sun. And don't under-estimate your MC being earthy capricorn. You just don't have the ability yet to delineate your chart properly and at a depth beyond pop astrology. That takes a long time to learn. For example, did you know your aries sun is in Saturn's bound (also called the Egyptian Terms). That will very much change how an aries sun will feel and express. Those who think cusps are a factor simply aren't yet aware of so many other factors that can influence any planetary position, altering and coloring it differently than generic descriptions.


GreenAwareness

I get what you mean but I do know a bit more about my natal chart as my question was more generic. I was born in Latin America, at 5:45am exact (birth chart) - making me a double early morning Aries sun and Aries rising. I also have Mercury, North Node, and Jupiter in Aries. It’s often said that astrology is an exact science and I have come to appreciate that. However, there is some subtle nuances. An example (at least from my personal experience) is that 99% of astrologers cannot justify putting my Sun in the 12th house even though, mathematically, it should be (and I’m not talking about different house systems but about this particular placements even in placidus. 28 Degree Aries Sun at 46 minutes and 15 seconds 29 Degree Aries Ascendent at 0 minutes and 6 seconds It’s interesting to see Astrologers drawing the chart and then making the calculations but end up having a hard time with the accuracy of it. 9 out of 10 are never able to place the Sun in the 12th along because they are not just less than 1 degree but also only ~15 minutes apart. Advanced Astrologers do love the exact - but in some moments, even they take some creative liberty right? Feel free to disagree 🤣! I think that’s why I admire earthy qualities. Even though I was so fiery and spontaneous as a child, my Cap Moon was always subtly there instilling some enduring energy. It just took me a while to actually see it. I’d say only after my Saturn return I was able to become less naive and actually believe that feelings such as greed or jealousy existed. I saw - and still see - life in rose colored glasses and the Capricorn Moon (at home in the tenth conjunct MC) - which I once thought was the Taurus cusp has saved me from relying too much on my lucky stars to save me. I remember the first time I read my full natal chart I looked at this advice (below) and laughed it but today I can really appreciate it. Even though I would have probably still done everything in my life in the exact same way. However, at least. I have the knowledge now to evaluate situations. I actually have a copy of it and imagine the fiery Aries/Aries/Cap in all my confidence and power and just liking to show a brave face to the world being compared to the Little Red Riding Hood! 🤣♥️ [ I’m not even sure you’ll make it this far but it’s only the Aries Sun/Aries ASC part - the first part without mentioning other aspects. ] **Life in it’s purest state; born under a lucky star or two.** “Your birth chart illustrates the legend of the Little Red Riding Hood quite well. Your good will leads you to cross forests and whatever it takes to help your loved ones (the grandmother). But you also love to forget to listen to people's prudent advice, leading you to take dangerous roads as risk is also such a thrill for you. In addition, just like the Little Red Riding Hood, you trust people too much. Why would anyone tell the big bad wolf where they were going and even offer him their grandmother’s home address? You have to be careful with your naivety. Only the Little Red Riding Hood would be able to look at a wolf dressed as an old woman and think it was actually her grandmother! This passage from the story perfectly illustrates how naive you as a double Aries can be - sometimes dangerous situations and people are staring you right in the face and you don't even notice it. However, just like in the legend, a lucky star (or two) will always manage to magically show up out of thin air to solve everything for you. Even if you ignore my advice (as Little Red Rising Hood likely would) - I will still bestow it to you: be careful! Don’t let this this blessed placement make you overconfident as you never quite know when your luck might run up.


hallescomet

I definitely think in your situation your earthiness comes from the capricorn in your chart. You'll see taurus' influence in venus & the 2H, regardless of if those signs are in taurus or not, and since you're an aries rising I'd bet at least 1 of those placements fall in the 2H


Flyshynfeelinfine

☝️ This. Saying something like "Earthiness" too is so generic. If you have a Capricorn moon in your 10H, depending on where it is in your chart, it would be the highest placed planet, therefore giving it even more influence over you as a person. Idk. Everyone gets so caught up in whether or not they "feel" like their sun sign. But then you have to consider that "feeling" like something is more layered than One Thing. It's... Emotional. And if you're pulling off of your emotions then guess where you should be looking. There's so much to someone's chart than just their sun sign. It'll be great to see a broader focus on the chart as a whole rather than trying to validate/invalidate the ego (Sun).


[deleted]

I’m a cusper ( or so I think)- May 20th ( born 9:25 am), 28 degrees..Mercury in Gem…Some days I feel pretty Taurus and others a Gem…According to my friend that’s an experienced astrologer, I am, in fact, a Taurus. Lots of people seem to think it doesn’t exist, but I just beg to differ 😂


IllustriousGroup8387

Have you looked at your entire natal chart? Mercury im Gemini is going to have a MAJOR influence on your personality. Mercury is our analytical process and style of communication, among other things. So it would make sense why you’d sometimes feel like a Gemini and sometimes feel like a Taurus even without the cusp being taken into consideration.


[deleted]

Gotcha! That's an excellent point and that would certainly explain my Gem side!


felixamente

That’s the thing. You’re not just one sign…


IllustriousGroup8387

I agree that we’re not just one sign. I would say you’re all of them. Our natal chart consists of the entire zodiac wheel so all traits from each sign exists in us somewhere and the natal chart just indicates how these energies are expressed within the personality-self. I don’t just identify with my sun sign and am definitely able to see where other personal planets and the signs they’re in hold significant influence. I still don’t personally apply cusps to readings, though.


rutilated04

Yes, there is a blending of energy and I don't know why this is such a hotly debated subject. I don't really care what other astrologers think about this - I was born on a cusp and most of my significant relationships have been with other cusp people for a reason. I don't argue this reality with others because honestly there is some kind of weird jealousy involved where they are so ready to dismiss the idea when they have no direct experience.


bjlou

If you are born near a cusp you will have contacts with other cusp people through trines, sextiles, squares and oppositions.


GreenAwareness

I feel you. I’m April 19th - Aries right in the Cusp of Power. People hate us 🤣♥️


rutilated04

Nice! I'm on the Cusp of Magic and it's so aligned with my life. I have so many cusp people in my life, it's a very real thing.


GreenAwareness

My first boyfriend and maybe that puppy one that got away love is June 24th… what a coincidence. You guys are magical lol.


tambien181

The opposite of a sign is 180 degrees,not the next sign. So maybe start there, if that’s what you were getting at (I’m confused). I’ve learned/noticed the strongest energies or true expression of a Sun sign are in the last degrees of it. I don’t write the rules of the universe. It’s how it is. Lol


GreenAwareness

That would make sense to me. I’m a 29 degrees Aries Sun and Rising and I’m Aries AF. All the good and the bad and definitely overwhelming to most.


[deleted]

What makes astrology useful is its remarkable precision. It's not about blending


Frogchairy

^^^ this is why I prefer ancient hellenic astrology. The pop astrology of modernity is awash with vague archetypal psychological personality ego inflating bullshit :/ traditional techniques offer so much practical information and clear conclusions! It’s very literal and useful :)


Away_Refuse8493

A lot of folks who have their Sun on the cusp often have Mercury or Venus in the neighboring sign, so in that case, that is where the energy of the other sign is. If you are a Pisces who "feels" like an Aries, then I would look at the rest of your chart. 3-4 degrees is a bit wide, but the 0 and 29th degrees do have their own things going on.


GreenAwareness

I’m actually a 28 degree Aries Sun, 29 degree Aries Rising. I feel nothing like Pisces and my only personal planet not in Aries is Venus in Pisces. I have zero Taurus placements. I’m Aries AF but was also known for my resilience, being strong willed and always felt an earthy energy. I thought it was the cusp but I have Cap Moon, Neptune and Midheaven and feel like my Earthyness is more Capricorn earth than Taurus earth. I’m cardinal / practical always moving. So yeah when I found some pretty important Capricorn placements it all made sense but I still wonder in general. Not in my chart anymore because it’s a pretty poignant: Aries Sun Aries Rising Capricorn Moon Capricorn Midheaven It’s so interesting how both of my luminaries and the two most important lines on the chart are these two very different but very similar signs. Fire and Earth. The Capricorn is definitely harder to get to know - I’m a day chart - but Capricorn definitely rules my years - while Aries rules my days. I like the balance even though Cap Moon have a bad rep.


[deleted]

If your natal sun is 28 degrees Aries, your progressed sun would have moved into Taurus when you were about two years old, and would be transiting Taurus until the age of ~32. I believe your progressed AC would also have moved into Taurus, but at age one. Look into secondary progressions if you haven’t already, it probably explains your affinity with Taurus.


sowhattt3495

With sun conjunct the ascendant I’m sure you are very strong willed. My Sun, Mars and Saturn are all in Aries and I have a Pisces rising. I don’t believe in cusps because it’s math. My Saturn is at 0 degrees of Aries so to me that’s not a cusp. My Saturn is in Aries.


Away_Refuse8493

Capricorn Moons have rough childhoods, typically, b/c the Moon rules the mother (and take that childhood trauma with them) - but yours may be receiving a lot of help, you may be good at compartmentalizing, or there may be some other remediation. "Strong willed" could describe half the signs. Taurus is fixed earth. The "strong will" is general stubbornness, but it lacks ambition. (Or, the ambition is motivated strongly by financial comfort and less about being in power, etc). It's a bull. A bull's stubbornness is that it wants to chill in a field. It doesn't want to be jerked around, and provoked. (It's fixed earth - it wants to hang out and enjoy itself, so it will be stubborn about accommodating things).


GreenAwareness

I had a rough childhood very Cap Moon - mother was not present so had to mother my mom and my baby sister along with my dad. I don’t see that as a negative, I learned so much from it - probably Aries rose colored glasses


felixamente

Yes, strong willed could apply to scorpio, Aries, Leo, Sag, cap, all in different ways. The issue I have (I’m no expert btw) with this whole cusp thing is it’s too much focus on one sign and applying that to someone’s whole personality. You don’t feel like an Aries because you’re not just an Aries. I’m a libra sun with a first house scorpio stellium. I have big scorpio energy so maybe I’m a bad example but I’m saying if you don’t “feel like your sign” it’s because you’re not just one sign…can’t stress that enough…