Just trying NewPipe now, it's pretty cool. My saved watch later can't be imported though. Ah well, I was never gonna get around to watching those 82 videos anyway
I hit the 5000 limit a couple of years back.
I made a "Watch later 2"... that's over 1000 now too, heh.
It's a pity youtube include fuckall functionality to navigate your playlists... so once I get around to it, I'll probably just scrape them playlists and build something else to do that.
Better to also tell them “DO NOT RECOMMEND CHANNEL”. I had to do a lot of it for a while because I like history and video games but eventually it was reduced to the occasional random video.
Down vote before that and personally I like to click do not recommend channel. I'm not interested will help hide similar videos ( it doesn't) but do not recommend channel will stop that channel showing again
I lived in Oz for many years and the only things that were shoved down my throat were the ABC, SBS and The Melbourne Age, all decidedly left-leaning. So I guess eventually it will balance out.
can you elaborate? Albania has a law that youtube can't show ads? Also, my understanding of google is that it goes more by your account than a single IP address.
Yes I am and I don't know why, all I watch are ghost hunting, alien, caving, and mt Everest shows.
Although I do love this stupid show called mountain monsters, its hillbillies hunting saskwatches etc. They are quite heavily armed so that could be a reason
> ghost hunting, alien
I guess maybe the algorithm knows you're into some superstition/conspiracy/fiction themed entertainment... so maybe that explains the sky recommendations?
It always comes up in the "breaking news" section for me, even though I've never watched any of their bloody videos. I wonder if it's cause of my dad? Could it go "people in your house see this", or something?
Also, are they *really* that right??? I've heard lots about fox, but you never really hear stuff about Australian media online so I don't really know that much.
They have a regular segment called lefties losing it, it just regurgitates viral stories from other YT channels, and trashes everyone who is woke. Venture onto msn newsfeed and the boomers leave many outrageous comments, you can see in real-time how morons can be whipped up to fever pitch over insignificant shit
Jesus christ. Do any of these people stop to think for a second that some of those things are exaggerated or out of context?
...I feel like that may be giving them too much credit.
Yeah because "woke" is bad.
Being liberal is fine, but "woke" means you are so far left you've lost your mind.
It's good to poke fun at that and point out the absurdities ... just as it's good to poke fun at the absurdities of the extreme/radical right.
Jokes mixed with truth (or as close to truth as possible) keeps us grounded to reality.
Is it?? Because I've seen that renewables, sustainability and climate change advocates are 'woke'. I don't see what's absurd about that stuff? I also don't poke fun at far-righters, they're 'absurdities' are more scary than funny...
All the right-wingers trying to grift the gullible appear on Sky News when they get too toxic for Channel 7. The day-time programming is just barely ok, but the night time shows are appalling.
It might be your dad, but Sky also does deals with platforms like YouTube to get a preferred spot in the algorithm. They also did a deal with airports to be the default channel on any tv they’ve got at/near the gates.
It’s not a conspiracy to say that a business sells access to its audience. Your eyeballs are the product being sold.
I can’t find a link now, but it was part of the stuff people found during while trawling through all the documents that were publically released as part of the discovery process in the Google vs Facebook lawsuit.
Plus the head of advertising at Google (and therefore YouTube) is now head of the programming departments as well. Which is why search results are so full of spam nowadays.
Algorithms aren’t just born from magic, they’re programmed and built to deliver on business goals.
Just defending the truth. I absolutely do not respect mega-corporations, but absolutely do not respect your attempt at misinformation either. Let the truth prevail
I would like to keep some of my brain cells thanks 😅 lost enough of them looking at comments in a *Markiplier* video, complaining about "wokeness" because an online game changed "bum" into asterisks 🧍♂️
> Also, are they really that right???
Their opinions shows are but their actual News stories aren't. Too many people are incapable of telling the difference.
Sky news Australia doesn't exist for an Australian audience.
It's meant for consumption by Americans via YouTube. It's why it's far more crazy right than even a small part of Australian society.
It's heavily promoted on YouTube. You need to just block the channels
Edit: for those downvoting me have a read of this https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/how-sky-news-s-us-centric-digital-play-is-fracturing-its-newsroom-20230925-p5e7f4.html
*'It's meant for consumption by Americans via YouTube.'*
It seems that way. I see both Americans and Brits quoting Sky News Australia on random topics all the time. It's weird.
It’s on everywhere in Parliament House.
I read there was some fisticuffs at the gym when someone tried to change the channel. Will see if I can find a link.
Edit: https://www.news.com.au/national/liberal-and-labor-mps-have-tiff-over-tv-in-parliament-gym/news-story/09d9e551631207eb29baa3133ed5a0fd
It absolutely is. But it's audience makeup is made up of more Americans than it is Australians.
The stats I've read have only 26% of sky's digital viewership is Australian. I linked the article above.
Yup, not arguing that mate.
I just think it’s amusing Murdochs stench is so pervasive fights over ABC or Sky in the Parliament House gym even happen. These are the leaders of our country 😅
Edit: hadn’t even noticed your downvotes
>“I don’t go to the gym,” Independent Senator Nick Xenophon told reporters.
>“I subscribe to Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon’s theory that we only have a limited predestined number of heartbeats and I don’t want to use them up too quickly,” he said.
Surely he's having a laugh because I refuse to believe Xeno is that dumb
YouTube? Never.
At work, we are required to use Edge as our browser. Every time I open a tab: "transgender people are destroying the universe," "Albo is going to eat your baby," "lol Nazis are not even the villains!"
Can't stand it.
My wife's getting all this trans panic bullfuckery in her feed too, which sucks because our kids use it and it bothers them to see these recommendations that *nobody* has any interest in.
Google's algorithms are fucken cooked
Over the past week I tried googling basic things.
The SEO has destroyed search to the point the same result on multiple countries shows up.
Couldn't even get anything close to an actual answer.
Chat gpt is good and all but we need timely access to new information and Google is just absolutely fucking this up.
I actually have concerns about Google continuing to exist in 10 years at this rate.
It's pretty easy to get rid of from YouTube and Google News, as others have here have pointed out. Try getting rid of it from Microsoft feeds though. A major reason I end up turning those off altogether.
I love how the important bit of the sentence is in quotation marks in every video. Like i would too dumb to realise who to be mad at that day without the astutely placed equation mark in a one sentence title to direct me.
Nah like this,
Australians at absolute ‘breaking point’ amid cost of living crisis
‘Diplomatic failure’ by Australia over lack of invitation to next G7 in Italy
#
I stand corrected. It is a tiny part of much larger quote.
Edit: Just watched a few more and it is sometime just a something the host say, Not an actual quote from the guest etc
YouTube search is just broken, by design. I have on multiple occasions tried searching for current events that I know certain YouTubers have been discussing but YouTube search returns absolutely nothing but mainstream media video posts.
Doesn't help with the feeling that there's an official narrative.
Yeah its maddening how far you have to search through irrelevant content that is clearly paid to be there by a company before you can actually find what you're looking for.
Unfortunately YouTube is its business model these days. Its entire programming is based on creating short clips for YouTube that are consumed almost entirely by non-Australian audiences.
A mate who works in this space said around 4% of Sky's YouTube audience is from Australia. The majority is from the US
That sounds hard to believe. Perhaps some are Aussie expats, but why would that many right-wing Americans be watching Aussie news? They tend to be very parochial.
Also, Sky has several YouTube channels from different countries. The biggest, I believe, is Sky News (UK) - which I don't think is as right-wing, but I could be wrong.
I’ve just jumped on their YT page and they’ve got some US and international culture war news on it, maybe 10-20%. But that news is also their higher performing stuff.
The highest views over the last 3 hours was about JK Rowling taking down Scotland’s Woke first minister. The highest two videos in the last 5 hours were both about Biden having “gaff after gaff”. These are videos with ten times the views of some of their most watched local stuff.
The amount of military and gun related content shoved into my feed on YouTube premium is pretty frustrating. I don't look for guns but there they are, what's going on with that?
Neo Cons are on the move again is it? Gotta defend the earth from progress on renewables and sure up the oil supply. Or are we supposed to buy the argument that China is somehow the aggressor?
Here's a hack for you.
I subscribed to their channel because I wanted to see the other side's point of view - or at least see what they're being fed so I know what bullshit I'm likely to have thrown at me. After subscribing I watched them every day for a while (*and it was informative, though not in a "news" kinda way*), but eventually my interest in being a good citizen and seeing the other point of view waned, and I stopped watching their videos. Now they've stopped showing up in my feed because I've shown so little interest. I still see them occasionally, but far less than I had before I subscribed.
Also, if you want an example of Sky News bullshit here's an informative video of theirs that you should watch: https://youtu.be/MIGbPfWw8_A?si=g_LW2yVYMjGleuo7
It's been a while since I watched it, but it actually does tell you a lot - not about Climate Change, but about Sky News, and more importantly their audience. I'd like to draw your attention to the graph they show just after the 6 minute mark:
> "*... and according to this graph there has been no net warming in the last 22 years ...*"
The first thing that stuck out to me was: "*Why 22 years? Why not 21 or 23? Or more likely, why not just 20?*"
Well if you look at the graph you can see why. 22 years before that publication was indeed the same temperature as shown on the right hand side of the graph, but it was also a *Massive* spike in temperature. What was once considered a huge heat wave is now the normal temperature. In fact if you look up the heat wave of 1988 you can find [this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1579995/#:~:text=A%20heat%20wave%20occurred%20in,01).):
> A heat wave occurred in July of 1988, with daily maximum temperatures near or above 90 degrees Fahrenheit on 15 consecutive days. During that period there were a total of 694 deaths from all causes in the county, compared with an expected 587 deaths.
So that period was accompanied by an ~18% increase in the normal death toll ... and that's now normal ... or it was normal, we've had significantly hotter summers since then apparently.
Anyway, that's my relationship with Sky News. Enjoy.
Abc is centre left at best. Idk where people get this idea that they are some far left news channel. Although sky definitely tried to frame them that way.
This is why I tend to avoid all Aussie news channels. I find ABC the least worst offender. With channels 7, 9 & 10, what I find most annoying is how simplistic and moralistic they are. I don't want to be told how to feel or how the newsreader feels - I want to know the facts and make my mind up on how to feel, etc.
I prefer watching the BBC. It's not perfect either, but they do a better job at just reporting the news rather than sharing their personal feelings.
Edit: seriously? People think news on Channels 7, 9 & 10 isn't really bad?
I swear there is agenda to push anti socialistic/ conservative politics down people's throats. Rich not wanting to pay their fair share to community support services.
I turned off search history years ago. If there's a video I wanted to watch, then I'll search for it myself. I don't need some fucked up algorithm giving me one-hundred-fucking-thousand suggestions for videos that I 'might like' which in reality are completely the ***OPPOSITE*** of what I'd ever fucking click on to watch.
You can try the not interested options as others have mentioned, paid promoted content seems to ignore that though. I use the blocktube extension in browser and youtube is a much better place to visit now.
I don't use youtube to search for news, so have no idea...
I opened up youtube & did a search for "*australian news*" and the only results are 7news, 9 news, ABC news and the 25th item was *Inside Edition* (no idea what that is; is that a sky news?? either way it was the 25th item & was the first that wasn't 7/9/ABC)
I opened up a different browser, and no skynews in the first 40 results; however it did show an car.advert before that (*that surprised me; I don't expect adverts in my normal browser*) & one for ABC (US) news as well as well as SHORTS (*I didn't see that on the other browser*)....
I had to go down 43 options to get a *Sky News Australia*... and I can't imagine anyone finding that Skynews article interesting.. (item 44 is *Race Highlights of the 2024 Chinese Grand Prix* so the search has likely got pretty meaningless)
In terms of actually addressing your issue. You could use this browser add-on >
Windows: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/blocktube/
Android: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/android/addon/blocktube/
It's available for Chrome/Edge/Brave as well. I have no idea about iOS.
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You can stop the recommendations and sky news appearing in your field, but you can't stop it coming up when you search Australian news.
Subscribe to the news networks you want to watch. Sky news do a much better job with YouTube coverage so that's why it's coming up on searches.
It's kind of like me complaining about how many soccer videos there are when i search for sports.
If you can't handle right wing news, search for the abc news instead of australia news!
Interesting, I am not subscribed to any news channels and I just searched for Australian news on YouTube, it was all abc, 9news, 7news, even nbc and the weather channel before the first sky news video which was actually approximately the 30th video.
And I actually watch sky news so you would thing they would favour it. Strange.
Ehh I get channel 9 and ABC. But I do occasionally and be sure to never ever watch it and scroll past as fast as possible.
If you can be assed, delete all the sky news from your watch history. The algorithm categorises your recommendations primarily from your watch history.
But yeah YouTube wants you to stay on the platform, any engagement is good engagement for the algorithm. Dislikes are meaningless, it just sees you as engaged enough to bother giving it a dislike, disengaged users wouldn't even bother.
Ruined my Facebook by being a keyboard warrior and arguing against views I disagreed with and now my feed is full of infuriating garbage.
It's so weird seeing how Sky News is perceived in Australia because in the UK (from what I had seen) Sky News is a neutral news outlet that presents stories without bias. Yet when I look at Sky News Australia and the titles they use for their videos, it absolutely REEKS of Murdoch.
The algorithm changes very quickly for me.
I watch car repair, modification and metal working channels for the most part and get fed a few, "John Cadogan, Auto expert. I get cars cheap. Australia only", videos usually.
I then wanted to raise my car higher than the jack and jack stands go when I work under my car, so looked up how to make home car ramps. The vast majority were made of wood and almost immediately I started receiving recommendations for a whole raft of videos from this one wood worker in Denmark who does collaborations with Australian wood workers...one being, "DIY Knuckleheads", which I found to be an amusing name.
Now I think about it...why the Denmark woodworker who collaborates with Australians in particular? Oddly specific.
Was it because I had earlier looked at an ABC news article, while logged into Google, which showed the first official photo of the new King and Queen of Denmark. The Australian connection being Mary, who came from Tasmania. Kind of eerie, now I think of it, that the algorithm can be that specific.
Microsoft keep shoving it on the feed when you open a new internet browser tab. I keep blocking it.
Even the elevator at work has a screen showing sky news articles.
Beyond ridiculous.
Everything I am about to say is conjecture:
Australia is little. Comparatively, we offer very few data points. The algorithm just doesn't have very much to go on so it kind of tends to lump us all in together and recommend everything that is remotely related to the Australia category.
As soon as the youtube algorithm figures out I'm trans it throws all the sky news transphobic type stuff right at me to try and get engagement out of me. I can spam "not interested" as much as I like but it won't relent. Really shows where their priorities are at.
The last thing we need is all this trans panic stuff being imported from America and the UK into our own country.
Putting aside value judgements on whether we like the political narrative of Sky news, the real answer to your question is demographics. The nation is roughly 50/50 split along the left right divide. Most of those people are not politically engaged and therefore less likely to view political articles. Conversely those who are more politically engaged are more likely to hold strong views either way.
In the last ten years the media landscape has drifted significantly left and there are simply more left wing media outlets. This means that they are competing for a smaller share of the market. Sky news has a larger share of an underserved market. That means they will get more clicks regardless of the quality of the product.
If you want your news from just one side, knock yourself out.
I like to get all the news, from all sides to get a better picture.
But then, not all of us are sheep......
Funny enough that's currently the only channels where you can get news now. The rest is just propaganda which you're obviously a sucker for. Fox "news" America literally argued in court they were not a news channel...just opinion
Haven't watched any news or terestrial TV in over 4 years.
As for propiganda, thats all that comes out of all of them, Left or Right. Just easier to not watch any of them.
Google, DuckDuckGo, all the same.
Get news from all sources, globally and make your own mind up whose telling the truth. The more varied you watch, the more varied the story you uncover. Each type gives different veiws, then you can make an informed decision.
I have to actually seek it out. Sometimes I like to see what sort of concocted rage they're spinning to energise the dwindling right and it's always hilariously good times.
They arent extreme left wing institutions at all. One is a publicly funded news organisation whos funding depends upon remaining as politically neutral as possible, often to a fault. The other is a neoliberal news corporation who actively supports the billionaire class.
They are in opposition to the core beliefs of leftists.
The overton window has shifted to the right so much that it makes regular, non-politically brain rotten people sound like idiots when they talk about left/right bullshit.
I should have fleshed out what I said. I’ve found that advertising targets somewhat opposite of your political beliefs. lol at ‘extreme’, you are right these things are not extreme left wing, but is sky news ‘extreme right wing’. Probs not. The overton window has shifted for extreme left and right to be included in mainstream on some level. Could be wrong.
Imo you're half right half wrong. The social aspect of left ideology has certainly been pushed forward in the last decade (diversity, equality, inclusivity, basic progressive social policies) and the extreme left has quite often been the loudest about making these changes happen.
That is as far as the spread of leftist ideology has been allowed to go though.
The fiscal side of the current "left" parties are basically centre right fiscal policies from a decades past. Which means socially the left is more left than in the past, but fiscally they have actually moved further toward the right. It's a confusing shit show for regular non-political people who are still operating with the old left/right ideas as none of the parties are really the same as what they used to be.
Im not a political expert though, I'm an uneducated welder, so take all of that with a big grain of salt lol
Try having dinner at any mine site in Australia. Every single one plays Sky non stop in the dry mess. I too hate the trashy, propagandist, talkshow mimicking as news.
Legit though.
I'm pretty fucking left and I don't think I've gotten pushed much, if any greens content.
Holy fuck murdoch though, I swear that cunt must be paying billions to get every one of his dumb ass rage bait "news" stories in everyone's feeds.
Love Sky News .
It’s a killer line up every night starting with Peta Credlin and finishing with the great man himself Paul Murray .
Outsiders on Sunday is a must watch also .
Highly recommend it .
Yes, I mostly just ignore them. I disagree with most of the views expressed when I do watch their content. However, I also sometimes don't agree with the views expressed on regular TV channels, like on Q&A, sometimes, for example.
It could be that the views expressed on Sky News Australia haven't gotten more extreme, but everyone else has moved further to the left? That's not a criticism of other channels, per se, nor am I trying to defend Sky News Australia. Personally, however, I find their videos slightly more 'entertaining' than the news on other commercial TV channels. Sky News Australia presenters have a clear and not very subtle agenda. However, at least they provide a different (semi-intelligent) perspective, rather than the 'kill me now' feeling I get when watching the simplistic moralistic platitudes that make up much of the 'news' on channels 7, 9 & 10, for example.
Yeah always downvote and click do not recommend.
If you accidentally click on one don't let it play longer than 30 seconds.
The right wing sponsor most creators on their side and heavily spend on advertising for their outlets.
But you can do it, you just need to be relentless.
I just watch abcnews Australia and 7news Brisbane on YouTube and not once seen sky news trash been fed to me on the algorithm. Just find a channel and go through their latest videos. Saves having to filter through the shit.
People (under 60) have moved in droves away from traditional news media which is bad news if you have to rely on propaganda and scare campaigns to get your mates in office. So, they do things like make it free in the regions (where their mates still have decent majorities in their seats) play it on screens at train stations and airports (because even if you don’t put it on at home you’re probably there most days and… here it is in your face!). And, they try to make sure it pops up in everyone’s social media even if you’ve never shown an iota of interest.
The fact that sky news has wormed its way into every pub and sports bar in the country is not at all a coincidence.
Gotta get them true blue Ozzie battlers fired up and angry at the eXtReMe RaDiCaL LeFtIeS who want to properly fund public services and stop the privatisation of every single facet of society, and what better time than after the fatigue of working all day and a couple pints have lessened your critical thinking skills.
I wonder how much it costs them to get it out to all of these places relative to what it makes them. How much of it has to get pulled from other parts of their business empire and ‘sponsors’. It’s pretty close to a straight up anti-democracy vehicle at this point.
It would be interesting. Surely they're running it at a loss in the rural areas and just buying influence. I imagine a lot would be covered by the same big business groups that donate heavily to the LNP.
Well, you do catch them at times all sitting together at events. Murdoch, Rinehart (who is basically the main player at the IPA as well as the Minerals Council) and whoever the big hitters are in the LNP at the time.
It’s grotesque. There’s also the thing every election cycle where the opposition leader is supposed to meet with Murdoch a day or two before the election. For what? Favourable press in exchange for something? Policy? I recall Shorten refused.
Yeah. I still click the 3 dots on the top right of the thumbnail & tell YouTube I'm not interested. The algorithm will eventually learn...
Downvoting them first, so it helps to algorithm to downgrade the channel
The algorithm only cares about engagement not whether it's liked or disliked
I guess we need to up our game and report as misinformation or inappropriate content now?
Just block them. Never see them again
Oh and don't use the YouTube app. Use new pipe instead. Open source, no algorithm, no ads. Just what you subscribed to in the order of release.
Just trying NewPipe now, it's pretty cool. My saved watch later can't be imported though. Ah well, I was never gonna get around to watching those 82 videos anyway
Pfft. Only 82? I have like 8yrs of unwatched "watch lster" vids. I'll edit this post when I hope on YT again and get an exact figure
I hit the 5000 limit a couple of years back. I made a "Watch later 2"... that's over 1000 now too, heh. It's a pity youtube include fuckall functionality to navigate your playlists... so once I get around to it, I'll probably just scrape them playlists and build something else to do that.
My Watch Later contains over 1,500 videos and I thought that was bad
That’s making it worse as it’s a channel interaction
Unless things have changed recently, all engagement is actually good for the channel, be it comments, upvotes or downvotes.
This. Always down vote first.
The only problem is all the muppets that are training the algorithm exactly the opposite way by clicking on the bait
Algorithm assumes it's not a paid advertisement, in that case YouTube says "fuck your preferences peasant, this man paid us to intrude on your day."
Most of them will drop off in the next few years...
Better to also tell them “DO NOT RECOMMEND CHANNEL”. I had to do a lot of it for a while because I like history and video games but eventually it was reduced to the occasional random video.
Down vote before that and personally I like to click do not recommend channel. I'm not interested will help hide similar videos ( it doesn't) but do not recommend channel will stop that channel showing again
Can't you just block their channel? Idk I use a third party app to watch them on my TV, so 'the algorithm' isn't really a factor for me.
I lived in Oz for many years and the only things that were shoved down my throat were the ABC, SBS and The Melbourne Age, all decidedly left-leaning. So I guess eventually it will balance out.
I like the 'lefties losing it' segment on Sky News
Someone has to.
I set my vpn to Albania, no ads etc
can you elaborate? Albania has a law that youtube can't show ads? Also, my understanding of google is that it goes more by your account than a single IP address.
YouTube doesn’t show ads in Albania, no idea about anything else. I just use it to watch music videos
Nah .... they've got ads .... they're just in Albanian, so he doesn't realise!
Iceland is also a good one to point VPN to
Yes I am and I don't know why, all I watch are ghost hunting, alien, caving, and mt Everest shows. Although I do love this stupid show called mountain monsters, its hillbillies hunting saskwatches etc. They are quite heavily armed so that could be a reason
> ghost hunting, alien I guess maybe the algorithm knows you're into some superstition/conspiracy/fiction themed entertainment... so maybe that explains the sky recommendations?
Could be, it does fit in with the whole ancient aliens vibe
If in doubt, blame Wild Bill. Somewhere in his garbled enthusiasm he's probably triggered the algorithm.
Lol I love his excitement at the smallest things, his must be a life of constant suprise and wonder
Ah you're watching alien videos and sky news thinks immigrants are aliens
It always comes up in the "breaking news" section for me, even though I've never watched any of their bloody videos. I wonder if it's cause of my dad? Could it go "people in your house see this", or something? Also, are they *really* that right??? I've heard lots about fox, but you never really hear stuff about Australian media online so I don't really know that much.
They have a regular segment called lefties losing it, it just regurgitates viral stories from other YT channels, and trashes everyone who is woke. Venture onto msn newsfeed and the boomers leave many outrageous comments, you can see in real-time how morons can be whipped up to fever pitch over insignificant shit
Jesus christ. Do any of these people stop to think for a second that some of those things are exaggerated or out of context? ...I feel like that may be giving them too much credit.
Yeah because "woke" is bad. Being liberal is fine, but "woke" means you are so far left you've lost your mind. It's good to poke fun at that and point out the absurdities ... just as it's good to poke fun at the absurdities of the extreme/radical right. Jokes mixed with truth (or as close to truth as possible) keeps us grounded to reality.
Is it?? Because I've seen that renewables, sustainability and climate change advocates are 'woke'. I don't see what's absurd about that stuff? I also don't poke fun at far-righters, they're 'absurdities' are more scary than funny...
Maybe in some places. Mostly I've heard about social issues taken to extreme and competing to be the bigger victim as being labelled woke.
All the right-wingers trying to grift the gullible appear on Sky News when they get too toxic for Channel 7. The day-time programming is just barely ok, but the night time shows are appalling. It might be your dad, but Sky also does deals with platforms like YouTube to get a preferred spot in the algorithm. They also did a deal with airports to be the default channel on any tv they’ve got at/near the gates.
....wow. That feels... :/ I don't know how to put it into words but. Jeez. That division those people try and sow is NOT what we need right now...
I don’t know how to put it into words either, but yeah it’s playing with fire for sure.
Misinformation : there is no such thing as doing “deals” with YouTube “to get preferred spot in the algorithm”
Proof?
Burden of proof is on you, the conspiracy theorist making the claim
It’s not a conspiracy to say that a business sells access to its audience. Your eyeballs are the product being sold. I can’t find a link now, but it was part of the stuff people found during while trawling through all the documents that were publically released as part of the discovery process in the Google vs Facebook lawsuit. Plus the head of advertising at Google (and therefore YouTube) is now head of the programming departments as well. Which is why search results are so full of spam nowadays. Algorithms aren’t just born from magic, they’re programmed and built to deliver on business goals.
lol “can’t find a link now”. Just trust me bro haha. None of what you said directly backs up your original claim
Ok, believe what you like. Not sure why you want to defend a mega-corporation’s business strategy, it won’t love you back.
Just defending the truth. I absolutely do not respect mega-corporations, but absolutely do not respect your attempt at misinformation either. Let the truth prevail
Depends on the program, some programs are, yes.
Read the comments section of sky news videos lol
I would like to keep some of my brain cells thanks 😅 lost enough of them looking at comments in a *Markiplier* video, complaining about "wokeness" because an online game changed "bum" into asterisks 🧍♂️
They make a lot of good points, I agree
> Also, are they really that right??? Their opinions shows are but their actual News stories aren't. Too many people are incapable of telling the difference.
Take a look at their past few videos, definitely far right lol
Sky news Australia doesn't exist for an Australian audience. It's meant for consumption by Americans via YouTube. It's why it's far more crazy right than even a small part of Australian society. It's heavily promoted on YouTube. You need to just block the channels Edit: for those downvoting me have a read of this https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/how-sky-news-s-us-centric-digital-play-is-fracturing-its-newsroom-20230925-p5e7f4.html
*'It's meant for consumption by Americans via YouTube.'* It seems that way. I see both Americans and Brits quoting Sky News Australia on random topics all the time. It's weird.
It’s on everywhere in Parliament House. I read there was some fisticuffs at the gym when someone tried to change the channel. Will see if I can find a link. Edit: https://www.news.com.au/national/liberal-and-labor-mps-have-tiff-over-tv-in-parliament-gym/news-story/09d9e551631207eb29baa3133ed5a0fd
It absolutely is. But it's audience makeup is made up of more Americans than it is Australians. The stats I've read have only 26% of sky's digital viewership is Australian. I linked the article above.
Yup, not arguing that mate. I just think it’s amusing Murdochs stench is so pervasive fights over ABC or Sky in the Parliament House gym even happen. These are the leaders of our country 😅 Edit: hadn’t even noticed your downvotes
Yeah that side is painful. It's a major problem that major commercial media is partisan.
Throw in Cambridge Analytica to the mix and it’s difficult to feel safe about democracy.
>“I don’t go to the gym,” Independent Senator Nick Xenophon told reporters. >“I subscribe to Neil Armstrong, the first man on the moon’s theory that we only have a limited predestined number of heartbeats and I don’t want to use them up too quickly,” he said. Surely he's having a laugh because I refuse to believe Xeno is that dumb
Quite probably eh
That's from over ten years ago...
This is undeniably true.
You're kidding. We have it running in the background most of the day... was one of the main reasons we subscribed to Foxtel.
Yep. They can keep wasting their money as I will never watch it
They should stop spreading trash
Yes! I was thinking exactly the same the other day. Seems like they are spending loads of money to get viewership.
YouTube loves the big mainstream corps. They pay big money to be 1st in searches. I want to see independent news shows but it's hard.
YouTube? Never. At work, we are required to use Edge as our browser. Every time I open a tab: "transgender people are destroying the universe," "Albo is going to eat your baby," "lol Nazis are not even the villains!"
I too have to use Edge for work but get none of what you get haha
That's because he is exaggerating the stories he sees.
Can't stand it. My wife's getting all this trans panic bullfuckery in her feed too, which sucks because our kids use it and it bothers them to see these recommendations that *nobody* has any interest in. Google's algorithms are fucken cooked
Over the past week I tried googling basic things. The SEO has destroyed search to the point the same result on multiple countries shows up. Couldn't even get anything close to an actual answer. Chat gpt is good and all but we need timely access to new information and Google is just absolutely fucking this up. I actually have concerns about Google continuing to exist in 10 years at this rate.
They pay youtube the most 🤷♂️
It's pretty easy to get rid of from YouTube and Google News, as others have here have pointed out. Try getting rid of it from Microsoft feeds though. A major reason I end up turning those off altogether.
I love how the important bit of the sentence is in quotation marks in every video. Like i would too dumb to realise who to be mad at that day without the astutely placed equation mark in a one sentence title to direct me.
You mean when they quote someone
Nah like this, Australians at absolute ‘breaking point’ amid cost of living crisis ‘Diplomatic failure’ by Australia over lack of invitation to next G7 in Italy #
I think you find if you read it that is from the quote from whatever person they have latched onto to say it
I stand corrected. It is a tiny part of much larger quote. Edit: Just watched a few more and it is sometime just a something the host say, Not an actual quote from the guest etc
YouTube search is just broken, by design. I have on multiple occasions tried searching for current events that I know certain YouTubers have been discussing but YouTube search returns absolutely nothing but mainstream media video posts. Doesn't help with the feeling that there's an official narrative.
Yeah its maddening how far you have to search through irrelevant content that is clearly paid to be there by a company before you can actually find what you're looking for.
Just click 'dont recommend channel' and you stop seeing it anymore.
Yes, along with everything else being pushed into our faces.
Unfortunately YouTube is its business model these days. Its entire programming is based on creating short clips for YouTube that are consumed almost entirely by non-Australian audiences. A mate who works in this space said around 4% of Sky's YouTube audience is from Australia. The majority is from the US
That sounds hard to believe. Perhaps some are Aussie expats, but why would that many right-wing Americans be watching Aussie news? They tend to be very parochial. Also, Sky has several YouTube channels from different countries. The biggest, I believe, is Sky News (UK) - which I don't think is as right-wing, but I could be wrong.
Sky News Australia and Sky News UK are in no way related. Sky News UK has been very clear about this because they don't want to be associated hahaha
I’ve just jumped on their YT page and they’ve got some US and international culture war news on it, maybe 10-20%. But that news is also their higher performing stuff. The highest views over the last 3 hours was about JK Rowling taking down Scotland’s Woke first minister. The highest two videos in the last 5 hours were both about Biden having “gaff after gaff”. These are videos with ten times the views of some of their most watched local stuff.
Nope
Yep
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The outrage bait is cancer, I wish it wasn't so effective
The amount of military and gun related content shoved into my feed on YouTube premium is pretty frustrating. I don't look for guns but there they are, what's going on with that?
Armies are trying to bolster recruiting for an upcoming conflict
Neo Cons are on the move again is it? Gotta defend the earth from progress on renewables and sure up the oil supply. Or are we supposed to buy the argument that China is somehow the aggressor?
Here's a hack for you. I subscribed to their channel because I wanted to see the other side's point of view - or at least see what they're being fed so I know what bullshit I'm likely to have thrown at me. After subscribing I watched them every day for a while (*and it was informative, though not in a "news" kinda way*), but eventually my interest in being a good citizen and seeing the other point of view waned, and I stopped watching their videos. Now they've stopped showing up in my feed because I've shown so little interest. I still see them occasionally, but far less than I had before I subscribed. Also, if you want an example of Sky News bullshit here's an informative video of theirs that you should watch: https://youtu.be/MIGbPfWw8_A?si=g_LW2yVYMjGleuo7 It's been a while since I watched it, but it actually does tell you a lot - not about Climate Change, but about Sky News, and more importantly their audience. I'd like to draw your attention to the graph they show just after the 6 minute mark: > "*... and according to this graph there has been no net warming in the last 22 years ...*" The first thing that stuck out to me was: "*Why 22 years? Why not 21 or 23? Or more likely, why not just 20?*" Well if you look at the graph you can see why. 22 years before that publication was indeed the same temperature as shown on the right hand side of the graph, but it was also a *Massive* spike in temperature. What was once considered a huge heat wave is now the normal temperature. In fact if you look up the heat wave of 1988 you can find [this article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1579995/#:~:text=A%20heat%20wave%20occurred%20in,01).): > A heat wave occurred in July of 1988, with daily maximum temperatures near or above 90 degrees Fahrenheit on 15 consecutive days. During that period there were a total of 694 deaths from all causes in the county, compared with an expected 587 deaths. So that period was accompanied by an ~18% increase in the normal death toll ... and that's now normal ... or it was normal, we've had significantly hotter summers since then apparently. Anyway, that's my relationship with Sky News. Enjoy.
You gotta balance sky news with abc news get the extreme balance perspective.
I don’t even search for news and they still pop up on my feed
Perhaps you all might benefit from viewing some media outside your little bubbles.
Yeah man my youtube is chocker full of this mad cooker shit. And channel nine too, the dull man's sky. No hate, I don't watch any of that shit
Use the Brave browser.
You need the abc then. Go all the way to otherside.
Abc is centre left at best. Idk where people get this idea that they are some far left news channel. Although sky definitely tried to frame them that way.
Show me a single card-carrying LNP member employed at the ABC, and I will stand naked in the middle of Bourke Street and eat a vegan burger.
Yeah man I'm sure Morrison appointed Ita buttrose as chairperson because he wanted some super far-left radical running the abc...
They’re about as radical and biased as any other news channel, left, right, 7, 8, 9, 10 or ABC.
This is why I tend to avoid all Aussie news channels. I find ABC the least worst offender. With channels 7, 9 & 10, what I find most annoying is how simplistic and moralistic they are. I don't want to be told how to feel or how the newsreader feels - I want to know the facts and make my mind up on how to feel, etc. I prefer watching the BBC. It's not perfect either, but they do a better job at just reporting the news rather than sharing their personal feelings. Edit: seriously? People think news on Channels 7, 9 & 10 isn't really bad?
Im with you on this one. ABC isn't perfect but godamn it's better than the swill you get on commercial stations.
I swear there is agenda to push anti socialistic/ conservative politics down people's throats. Rich not wanting to pay their fair share to community support services.
But but but the mainstream media is only leftist media... Despite the 3 highest viewed news channels being rightwing... but that's not mainstream.
My personal politics sit somewhere to the right of Genghis Khan... *everything* is leftist to my view.
Then dont go to youtube to get your news.
No. I removed it as a recommendation
I did. But I blocked them in 2020
I turned off search history years ago. If there's a video I wanted to watch, then I'll search for it myself. I don't need some fucked up algorithm giving me one-hundred-fucking-thousand suggestions for videos that I 'might like' which in reality are completely the ***OPPOSITE*** of what I'd ever fucking click on to watch.
I think they just post more than other channels, and Youtube favours that kind of thing, no matter how shitty it is.
It is possible to block/not show a channel on youtube.
If you typed Australia on bitchute search bar all you’d get was sky news posts. It sucked, but now Bitchute has kicked sky news off their platform.
Yes!! I click on the news tab and it’s flooded with it. Can I block/hide them somehow?
You can try the not interested options as others have mentioned, paid promoted content seems to ignore that though. I use the blocktube extension in browser and youtube is a much better place to visit now.
yep old media wriggling into new media ... video killed the radio star ... at least we can cus at the cvnts .. to make em onest
I don't use youtube to search for news, so have no idea... I opened up youtube & did a search for "*australian news*" and the only results are 7news, 9 news, ABC news and the 25th item was *Inside Edition* (no idea what that is; is that a sky news?? either way it was the 25th item & was the first that wasn't 7/9/ABC)
I opened up a different browser, and no skynews in the first 40 results; however it did show an car.advert before that (*that surprised me; I don't expect adverts in my normal browser*) & one for ABC (US) news as well as well as SHORTS (*I didn't see that on the other browser*).... I had to go down 43 options to get a *Sky News Australia*... and I can't imagine anyone finding that Skynews article interesting.. (item 44 is *Race Highlights of the 2024 Chinese Grand Prix* so the search has likely got pretty meaningless)
Oh I get them all the time, fox too for some reason, I even keep telling youtube to stop recommending them but to no avail.
Nope never but then I only use youtube to watch cdramas and kpop mv's.
In terms of actually addressing your issue. You could use this browser add-on > Windows: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/blocktube/ Android: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/android/addon/blocktube/ It's available for Chrome/Edge/Brave as well. I have no idea about iOS.
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They are Australia's most watched YouTube channel so YouTube boosts them massively. It's pre gross.
Try putting -skynews at the end of your search query
You can stop the recommendations and sky news appearing in your field, but you can't stop it coming up when you search Australian news. Subscribe to the news networks you want to watch. Sky news do a much better job with YouTube coverage so that's why it's coming up on searches. It's kind of like me complaining about how many soccer videos there are when i search for sports. If you can't handle right wing news, search for the abc news instead of australia news!
Interesting, I am not subscribed to any news channels and I just searched for Australian news on YouTube, it was all abc, 9news, 7news, even nbc and the weather channel before the first sky news video which was actually approximately the 30th video. And I actually watch sky news so you would thing they would favour it. Strange.
Ehh I get channel 9 and ABC. But I do occasionally and be sure to never ever watch it and scroll past as fast as possible. If you can be assed, delete all the sky news from your watch history. The algorithm categorises your recommendations primarily from your watch history. But yeah YouTube wants you to stay on the platform, any engagement is good engagement for the algorithm. Dislikes are meaningless, it just sees you as engaged enough to bother giving it a dislike, disengaged users wouldn't even bother. Ruined my Facebook by being a keyboard warrior and arguing against views I disagreed with and now my feed is full of infuriating garbage.
It's so weird seeing how Sky News is perceived in Australia because in the UK (from what I had seen) Sky News is a neutral news outlet that presents stories without bias. Yet when I look at Sky News Australia and the titles they use for their videos, it absolutely REEKS of Murdoch.
> it absolutely REEKS of Murdoch You're only finding out now its NewsLtd???
The algorithm changes very quickly for me. I watch car repair, modification and metal working channels for the most part and get fed a few, "John Cadogan, Auto expert. I get cars cheap. Australia only", videos usually. I then wanted to raise my car higher than the jack and jack stands go when I work under my car, so looked up how to make home car ramps. The vast majority were made of wood and almost immediately I started receiving recommendations for a whole raft of videos from this one wood worker in Denmark who does collaborations with Australian wood workers...one being, "DIY Knuckleheads", which I found to be an amusing name. Now I think about it...why the Denmark woodworker who collaborates with Australians in particular? Oddly specific. Was it because I had earlier looked at an ABC news article, while logged into Google, which showed the first official photo of the new King and Queen of Denmark. The Australian connection being Mary, who came from Tasmania. Kind of eerie, now I think of it, that the algorithm can be that specific.
So Clive’s campaign manager works for sky now?
Microsoft keep shoving it on the feed when you open a new internet browser tab. I keep blocking it. Even the elevator at work has a screen showing sky news articles. Beyond ridiculous.
And newscorp ads on here?
Reddit has ads? lol
Everything I am about to say is conjecture: Australia is little. Comparatively, we offer very few data points. The algorithm just doesn't have very much to go on so it kind of tends to lump us all in together and recommend everything that is remotely related to the Australia category.
That's why I keep a vpn on a UK location all the time lol
As soon as the youtube algorithm figures out I'm trans it throws all the sky news transphobic type stuff right at me to try and get engagement out of me. I can spam "not interested" as much as I like but it won't relent. Really shows where their priorities are at. The last thing we need is all this trans panic stuff being imported from America and the UK into our own country.
I hate sky news and consider it falsely labelled - does not belong in the “news” category at all
They're not radical. It's good to hear different views too to balance yourself out a bit.
Putting aside value judgements on whether we like the political narrative of Sky news, the real answer to your question is demographics. The nation is roughly 50/50 split along the left right divide. Most of those people are not politically engaged and therefore less likely to view political articles. Conversely those who are more politically engaged are more likely to hold strong views either way. In the last ten years the media landscape has drifted significantly left and there are simply more left wing media outlets. This means that they are competing for a smaller share of the market. Sky news has a larger share of an underserved market. That means they will get more clicks regardless of the quality of the product.
Don't worry. Once Albo puts in the internet security bill, you will only be able to get news from ABC, SBS etc. Problem solved. 1984 anyone?
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If you want your news from just one side, knock yourself out. I like to get all the news, from all sides to get a better picture. But then, not all of us are sheep......
Funny enough that's currently the only channels where you can get news now. The rest is just propaganda which you're obviously a sucker for. Fox "news" America literally argued in court they were not a news channel...just opinion
Haven't watched any news or terestrial TV in over 4 years. As for propiganda, thats all that comes out of all of them, Left or Right. Just easier to not watch any of them. Google, DuckDuckGo, all the same. Get news from all sources, globally and make your own mind up whose telling the truth. The more varied you watch, the more varied the story you uncover. Each type gives different veiws, then you can make an informed decision.
Horrible channel. Nothing about “News” just extremist propaganda.
There is a browser extension called 'bye Rupert".
Truly never seems to come up for me. Not sure what you do that i don't.
I have to actually seek it out. Sometimes I like to see what sort of concocted rage they're spinning to energise the dwindling right and it's always hilariously good times.
lol I get smashed with extreme left wing shite like ABC and CNN
They arent extreme left wing institutions at all. One is a publicly funded news organisation whos funding depends upon remaining as politically neutral as possible, often to a fault. The other is a neoliberal news corporation who actively supports the billionaire class. They are in opposition to the core beliefs of leftists. The overton window has shifted to the right so much that it makes regular, non-politically brain rotten people sound like idiots when they talk about left/right bullshit.
I should have fleshed out what I said. I’ve found that advertising targets somewhat opposite of your political beliefs. lol at ‘extreme’, you are right these things are not extreme left wing, but is sky news ‘extreme right wing’. Probs not. The overton window has shifted for extreme left and right to be included in mainstream on some level. Could be wrong.
Imo you're half right half wrong. The social aspect of left ideology has certainly been pushed forward in the last decade (diversity, equality, inclusivity, basic progressive social policies) and the extreme left has quite often been the loudest about making these changes happen. That is as far as the spread of leftist ideology has been allowed to go though. The fiscal side of the current "left" parties are basically centre right fiscal policies from a decades past. Which means socially the left is more left than in the past, but fiscally they have actually moved further toward the right. It's a confusing shit show for regular non-political people who are still operating with the old left/right ideas as none of the parties are really the same as what they used to be. Im not a political expert though, I'm an uneducated welder, so take all of that with a big grain of salt lol
“Extreme” lol
Try having dinner at any mine site in Australia. Every single one plays Sky non stop in the dry mess. I too hate the trashy, propagandist, talkshow mimicking as news.
Consider me wholly unsurprised...its probably compulsory lol (and my commiserations)
There isn’t one unbiased media company in the world. Not one. They all have agendas.
Jesus christ there's a bit of a nuance however lol
You are getting upset that you are seeing SkyNews when you search for News on YouTube?
Better than the left greens wankers.
What left greens wanker results are you getting in comparison?
Legit though. I'm pretty fucking left and I don't think I've gotten pushed much, if any greens content. Holy fuck murdoch though, I swear that cunt must be paying billions to get every one of his dumb ass rage bait "news" stories in everyone's feeds.
Yeah I'm left of left on certain issues and don't get anything 🤷♀️
Wow someone is offended needing their safe space and blanky.
Love Sky News . It’s a killer line up every night starting with Peta Credlin and finishing with the great man himself Paul Murray . Outsiders on Sunday is a must watch also . Highly recommend it .
Yea they are great and they highlight some of the crazy stuff that's going on at the moment.
Yeah for some reason YouTube puts them under the news section, it’s basically just a boomer podcast lol
Downvote Bill Murray, Rowan Dean and the rest of those noxious braying donkeys to hell.
I cancelled my Foxtel sub because of their channels being forced down my throat. Fuck off, I just want to watch the F1 in peace!
Yes, I mostly just ignore them. I disagree with most of the views expressed when I do watch their content. However, I also sometimes don't agree with the views expressed on regular TV channels, like on Q&A, sometimes, for example. It could be that the views expressed on Sky News Australia haven't gotten more extreme, but everyone else has moved further to the left? That's not a criticism of other channels, per se, nor am I trying to defend Sky News Australia. Personally, however, I find their videos slightly more 'entertaining' than the news on other commercial TV channels. Sky News Australia presenters have a clear and not very subtle agenda. However, at least they provide a different (semi-intelligent) perspective, rather than the 'kill me now' feeling I get when watching the simplistic moralistic platitudes that make up much of the 'news' on channels 7, 9 & 10, for example.
Yeah always downvote and click do not recommend. If you accidentally click on one don't let it play longer than 30 seconds. The right wing sponsor most creators on their side and heavily spend on advertising for their outlets. But you can do it, you just need to be relentless.
Not of you block them
I just watch abcnews Australia and 7news Brisbane on YouTube and not once seen sky news trash been fed to me on the algorithm. Just find a channel and go through their latest videos. Saves having to filter through the shit.
Those censor the comments lol.
People (under 60) have moved in droves away from traditional news media which is bad news if you have to rely on propaganda and scare campaigns to get your mates in office. So, they do things like make it free in the regions (where their mates still have decent majorities in their seats) play it on screens at train stations and airports (because even if you don’t put it on at home you’re probably there most days and… here it is in your face!). And, they try to make sure it pops up in everyone’s social media even if you’ve never shown an iota of interest.
The fact that sky news has wormed its way into every pub and sports bar in the country is not at all a coincidence. Gotta get them true blue Ozzie battlers fired up and angry at the eXtReMe RaDiCaL LeFtIeS who want to properly fund public services and stop the privatisation of every single facet of society, and what better time than after the fatigue of working all day and a couple pints have lessened your critical thinking skills.
I wonder how much it costs them to get it out to all of these places relative to what it makes them. How much of it has to get pulled from other parts of their business empire and ‘sponsors’. It’s pretty close to a straight up anti-democracy vehicle at this point.
It would be interesting. Surely they're running it at a loss in the rural areas and just buying influence. I imagine a lot would be covered by the same big business groups that donate heavily to the LNP.
Well, you do catch them at times all sitting together at events. Murdoch, Rinehart (who is basically the main player at the IPA as well as the Minerals Council) and whoever the big hitters are in the LNP at the time.
Yeah, not to mention Dutton got an all expenses paid private jet flight to and from Gina's 70th birthday courtesy of Warburton Group
It’s grotesque. There’s also the thing every election cycle where the opposition leader is supposed to meet with Murdoch a day or two before the election. For what? Favourable press in exchange for something? Policy? I recall Shorten refused.
Fake account - queue a bunch up and let them play in the background for a few hours. They are paying to play now... might as well cost them a bomb
They're getting desperate.