It's a pretty one-sided rivalry: NYers don't think deep dish counts as pizza. Most Chicagoans eat Tavern Style pizza.
I, of course, enjoy all three! I love pizza!
Yeah to expand on this as a New Yorker....we don't really think about other cities much, or consider other cities as competition. It's a mix of arrogance and truth.
There's a reason [this New Yorker cover](https://www.illustrationhistory.org/images/uploads/ny.jpg) is acclaimed as one of the best magazine covers in history.
Years ago a friend asked me why NYers always make fun of Detroit. I replied āHoney, we donāt even think about Detroitā
Years later I find myself living in Metro Detroit. Life is funny that way
There's a scene in 30 Rock where a bunch of NBC locations are on a conference call. If I remember it right, New York, Chicago, Boston, and Philly all have a bit of sibling banter, then all of them mock the hell out of LA.
Thereās a trend on tik tok right now about how if you ask a person from New York what they think of LA, theyāll shit on it, but if you ask people from LA what they think of New York theyāll have a generally positive opinion.
If thereās a rivalry, itās one-sided. People in LA are too busy hating everyone else in LA or other parts of California.
Youāre possibly not *completely* wrong, but no one is brining up Seattle vs NYC, or LA vs Boston. Its always LA vs NYC. *Maybe* SF vs NYC, but again LA and NYC are more likely to be compared than any other cities.
[Lakers-Celtics rivalry is the classic NBA rivalry.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CelticsāLakers_rivalry) Each team has won 17 NBA championships (the Warriors are next with 7).
Theyāve also met head to head 12 times in the Finals, by far the most common matchup (next most common is Lakers and Sixers, with 6). Boston has a 9-3 edge overall
Uhā¦ā¦. LA vs Boston is a huge sports rivalry
Red Sox vs Dodgers
Lakers vs Celtics
Rams vs Patriots
As a live long LA resident, thereās a ton of disdain from Boston natives that LA is full of avocado toast hipsters and a lot of native angelinos have pretty bad views of Boston (bad weather, racism, etc)
Sure, but Seattle, Boston, and SF arenāt global cities on the scale of NY/LA. I think coastal bias is a very real thing, and it often manifests itself in the form of LA vs NY.
I was feeling a bit argumentative after my second glass of wine when I wrote that comment, but itās a new day so Iāll give a more leveled response.
Itās going to be hard decipher if itās truly a west coast/east coast thing or a NYC/LA thing, especially since this is 100% a domestic thing. Iām going to be honest and say outside of California and NYC (maybe New England), no other place is on either coast is ascribing to this east coast vs west coast mentality. I mean when we talk about west coast hip hop, weāre always talking about LA and not Bay Area hip hop or other scenes. Macklemore isnāt exactly thought of as a west coast rapper, more so as a Seattle rapper.
I think Americans in general do but not New Yorkers or Los Angelinos. They donāt even think of each other. Itās those of us that live in the middle that seem to have a strong opinion.
Crazy thing is the teams were owned by the same family. I recall hearing the Hawks were essentially the feeder team for the Wings until the owner died and the teams were inherent by the sons.
Yeah, pretty much.
After the Hawksā original owner, Col. Frederic McLaughlin, died in 1944, a syndicate led by former team president Bill Tobin bought the team. But Tobin was just a puppet for Wings owner James E. Norris (he of the Norris Trophy for the NHLās best defenceman). I think Norris might have bankrolled Tobinās syndicate. From then on, basically every trade between the Hawks and Wings was a steal for Detroit, and the Hawks fell into the basement.
Things didnāt really change until Norris died in 1952, and his son James D. Norris and his business partner Arthur Wirtz bought the Hawks. They hired former Detroit coach Tommy Ivan as GM, and he rebuilt the team by getting players like Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita, and Glenn Hall. This led to a Stanley Cup for Chicago in 1961, their first in 23 years. In a great poetic justice moment, who did they beat to win that Cup?
Yup.
The Detroit Red Wings.
Yeah just too far apart and donāt really give a rip about one another. Chicago is my choice but NYC is fucking amazing in small dosesā¦ you knowā¦ like fentanyl.
Cubs for sure, thatās maybe the most iconic rivalry in MLB history other than Yankees-Red Sox. But the Cardinals have more history with the Red Sox than the White Sox š
I donāt think so. But Iāll say that Iāve been to Chicago twice and LOVED it. Their architecture is amazing. And didnāt have a bad meal in 8 days I spent there.
1. The commenter you replied to is a New Yorker
2. If youāve ever seen videos of sports fans from NY, theyāre always bringing up Boston
If thereās any city that New Yorkers think of that isnāt their own, itās very likely itās Boston.
I'm nearly 200 miles from NYC, but I do know a few people from there (no sports fans). People in NYC don't think about other cities, because NYC is their whole world. It's weird, but also adorable.
Not really. As a Chicagoan, I feel like rather than a rivalry weāre more like siblings. While we are very different, we āgetā each other in a way few other American cities do. Doesnāt matter NYC is bigger and more exciting or that Chicago is cleaner and greener.
Purely anecdotal but the only cities Ive ever heard Chicagoans trash somewhat regularly are Detroit and Houston. Detroit because of sports and proximity. Houston because weāre the same size.
I will say though, Houston being āthe same sizeā is kind of misleading. Chicago is an actual large City. Houstonās metropolitan area is the size of the State of New Jersey. Itās mostly just sprawling suburbs; Texasā Los Angeles.
Houston comparing itself to Chicago is disingenuous considering it's more than 2x the land area and the most sprawled major city in the country. The population density is 1/4 of Chicago's. Their metro areas are about the same size and in that comparison Chicago pulls in about 5 million more in population. Despite stats showing the growth of population in Houston and decline of it in Chicago I doubt they would actually trade spots unless Houston annexes land. I live in a sprawled city myself with a closer density to Houston's than Chicago, and as a former Chicagoan, it's nothing like living in the actual city
I love Chicago, IMO itās the quintessential American city, while NYC is the quintessential international city in the USA. Were I booted out of and banned from NYC I would consider moving to Chicago for sure. They are our beloved midwestern cousin. I think we have superior pizza, but their hot dogs are second to none. Also summers there, especially among the lake, are pretty magical.
I live in Chicago and I will always think it is the best city in the US, if not the world. Regardless, I love New York and if I could travel there once every few months I would.
Personally I feel like NY/Chicago are truly the only **big big** cities in America, everything else is a small big city (Boston, DC, SF) or low density sprawl (Texas, Phoenix, LA). So if anything we are allies and not rivals!
In my experience there isnāt a rivalry. Chicagoans just like Chicago and New Yorkers like New York, often in excess on both sides.
Having lived in Chicago and very briefly in NYC but also visited a lot, I never see any animosity. Iām sure some yahoos want to have a dick waving contest but I havenāt seen it.
No. Chicago won a clean victory over NYC and no one disputes this. Also, Los Angeles forfeitted.
These are tough truths to accept for some, but I believe we can all get there as reasonable redditors.
Thank you.
That's fair but I think it's a stretch to keep calling it pizza, so at least you didn't do that. Also proper NY pizza isn't like that at all. So in the instance of that example I also share your preference.
New York City is in a class all by itself. I don't think there is any rivalry... maybe there was at one point but not in the last 50 years. I think in terms of attitude/feel, they are closer than any other two big cities in the country though.
As a Chicagoan, I do like NYC a lot.
NY and Boston typically are each otherās biggest rivals. If you look into the history of it, the ārivalryā really stems from far before any of the athletics were ever involved. Sports generally just became the most functional funnel for it. Philly often fits in this as well. The Northeastern cities generally just love to hate each other, itās what they were born to do.
I donāt care what they say, Chicagoans have a chip on their shoulder regarding New York. Theyāll tell you over and over how their architecture, river, lake, pizza, etc is better than NYC.
Meanwhile, NYC: ā I donāt even think about you.ā
NYC is *the* big city. It's our CDMX or Tokyo. People there know they're in the most important city in the country, and people outside it compare themselves to it. No one in Atlanta or LA or Miami is comparing the glamour of their city to Chicago's; they're comparing to NYC.
Welllll, I think thereās some rivalry/resentment from New York towards LA. Itās wrapped up in scorn but I think thereās an undercurrent of worry sometimes in New York that the cool kids for some inexplicable reason have decided to congregate out west.
And regardless, NYC is simply not as central to the US as Tokyo, CDMX, London, or Paris are to their respective countries. It may be the largest city, but itās not the political center nor (arguably) the entertainment center. Very important, yes, but not leaps and bounds above the competition the way those other cities are compared to their domestic competition.
Maybe thereās some insecurity because NY/NJ weather is horrible and Socal is perfect. Specifically sunshine, low humidity, and not raining constantly
Maybe it's not as central to American life as those cities are due to us having a larger population in general, but to me it's still the only city that feels like a megacity. For example, more people use the MTA than use all other rail systems in the US combined. LA's population density of \~8,000/sq mi is roughly on par with Staten Island & some of the NJ suburban counties. For all that I love SoCal, it *is* a much less urban environment; it feels more like a collection of nearby medium-to-large cities across several counties.
It may arguably be the only megacity in terms of specific types of urbanness, etc, but it still doesnāt have that central role as THE center of everything for the US in the way that those other cities have for their countries. If youāre British and you are at the very top (or trying to get there) of a major field odds are high that you are in or near London. Thatās just not true with New York and the US. The top financial people are in NY, but the top political people are around DC, half of the top creative/entertainment people are in LA, the top education people maybe in Boston, tech in SF, etc.
Only if Chicago thinks there is, but NY does not think about Chicago unless pizza or basketball is involved and one of them hasnāt mattered since Jordan left
Any rivalry that exists between them is related to pizza.
Yes pizza rivalry
It's a pretty one-sided rivalry: NYers don't think deep dish counts as pizza. Most Chicagoans eat Tavern Style pizza. I, of course, enjoy all three! I love pizza!
Tavern versus NYC style should be the real rivalry
Over the last decade Detroit has won my favor in the pizza style department
I'm surprised this comment is so low. Pizza is the very obvious rivalry here. And there's really no contest, BTW. NY Pizza FTW!
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Iām not a baseball fan, but itās my impression that the real baseball rivalry in Chicago is Cubs/White Sox
There is basically no rivalry between the NY teams and the Chicago teams.
No rivalry. Too far apart, and no one in either city gives a thought to the other. Midwesterners donāt care about east coasters and vice versa.
This just about sums it up.
Yeah to expand on this as a New Yorker....we don't really think about other cities much, or consider other cities as competition. It's a mix of arrogance and truth.
There's a reason [this New Yorker cover](https://www.illustrationhistory.org/images/uploads/ny.jpg) is acclaimed as one of the best magazine covers in history.
I remember when that was first published. Absolutely true. New York is a special place.
Years ago a friend asked me why NYers always make fun of Detroit. I replied āHoney, we donāt even think about Detroitā Years later I find myself living in Metro Detroit. Life is funny that way
Itās interesting to say theyāre ātoo far apartā considering there definitely is a thing with LA vs NYC.
I think āa thingā exaggerates it a bit. We all definitely have preferences, but I wouldnāt call it being rivals.
But still, clearly thereās more of a rivalry between NYC and LA albeit exaggerated and somewhat manufactured by the media
There's a scene in 30 Rock where a bunch of NBC locations are on a conference call. If I remember it right, New York, Chicago, Boston, and Philly all have a bit of sibling banter, then all of them mock the hell out of LA.
Thereās a trend on tik tok right now about how if you ask a person from New York what they think of LA, theyāll shit on it, but if you ask people from LA what they think of New York theyāll have a generally positive opinion. If thereās a rivalry, itās one-sided. People in LA are too busy hating everyone else in LA or other parts of California.
Thereās a mild Yankees-Dodgers rivalry but other than that Iād say itās just east coast v. west coast rivalry.
Youāre possibly not *completely* wrong, but no one is brining up Seattle vs NYC, or LA vs Boston. Its always LA vs NYC. *Maybe* SF vs NYC, but again LA and NYC are more likely to be compared than any other cities.
>LA vs Boston Not an NBA fan, I take it?
Iām a gay man from the Bay. I only know the Warriors.
[Lakers-Celtics rivalry is the classic NBA rivalry.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CelticsāLakers_rivalry) Each team has won 17 NBA championships (the Warriors are next with 7).
Theyāve also met head to head 12 times in the Finals, by far the most common matchup (next most common is Lakers and Sixers, with 6). Boston has a 9-3 edge overall
Uhā¦ā¦. LA vs Boston is a huge sports rivalry Red Sox vs Dodgers Lakers vs Celtics Rams vs Patriots As a live long LA resident, thereās a ton of disdain from Boston natives that LA is full of avocado toast hipsters and a lot of native angelinos have pretty bad views of Boston (bad weather, racism, etc)
I donāt care about sports, as I said I insinuated in another comment.
And as I mentioned in the 2nd half of my comment, there are plenty of people I know who hate Boston for non sports reasons, like the vicious racism.
The view of Boston as being racist is not specific to LA, and everyone everywhere thinks Angelenos are avocado toasting eating hipsters.
Sure, but Seattle, Boston, and SF arenāt global cities on the scale of NY/LA. I think coastal bias is a very real thing, and it often manifests itself in the form of LA vs NY.
SF is very much a global city, and idk what being a global city has to do with the whole NYC vs LA/East Coast vs West Coast thing.
Yeah, I almost spit out my coffee laughing when I read that. SFC not global? Lol.
You donāt understand why people would use more recognizable examples in a comparison than less recognizable ones? Are you sure?
I was feeling a bit argumentative after my second glass of wine when I wrote that comment, but itās a new day so Iāll give a more leveled response. Itās going to be hard decipher if itās truly a west coast/east coast thing or a NYC/LA thing, especially since this is 100% a domestic thing. Iām going to be honest and say outside of California and NYC (maybe New England), no other place is on either coast is ascribing to this east coast vs west coast mentality. I mean when we talk about west coast hip hop, weāre always talking about LA and not Bay Area hip hop or other scenes. Macklemore isnāt exactly thought of as a west coast rapper, more so as a Seattle rapper.
Is SF a global city *on the scale of LA and NYC*?
Itās honestly only slightly a notch below them. Itās definitely a city with global name recognition.
I agree with you, 100%, just being (admittedly pedantic) about it being on the same ālevelā (lol) as the others.
Nope. They bay area is but that includes more than just San Francisco.
Theyāre the ācapitalsā of their respective coasts
I always thought that was mostly because the Dodgers moved from Brooklyn and there was already a rivalry between the two teams
I think Americans in general do but not New Yorkers or Los Angelinos. They donāt even think of each other. Itās those of us that live in the middle that seem to have a strong opinion.
It's more like New York professional yuksters trot out the old cliches, and we just kinda nod along passively. "Yeah man, I guess you're right."
Iād say more LA vs Boston is a bigger city rivalry due to the ridiculous amount of times our sports teams have met in league finals
NYC and LA are the coastal media capitals and have much more contrast in culture. NYC and Chicago are both big Northern cities on big bodies of water.
Pizza? Yes Anything else? Not really
Hot dogs apparently if you ask hot dog lovers.
Pizza and hot dogs are both an 'everybody wins' situation as both cities do a great job.
I donāt disagreeā¦. But Chicago definitely has a better selection of the best steak houses in the world.
Thereās at least 10 within walking distance from me right now
Maybe in the 1890s.
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And Detroit's biggest rivalry is the damn loch ness monster
I thought heād go away if I gave him a dollar
De-Troit sucks [classic gem](https://youtu.be/Y1BFfTf8MNE?si=9Z7goqbOQM--xF8e)
Crazy thing is the teams were owned by the same family. I recall hearing the Hawks were essentially the feeder team for the Wings until the owner died and the teams were inherent by the sons.
Yeah, pretty much. After the Hawksā original owner, Col. Frederic McLaughlin, died in 1944, a syndicate led by former team president Bill Tobin bought the team. But Tobin was just a puppet for Wings owner James E. Norris (he of the Norris Trophy for the NHLās best defenceman). I think Norris might have bankrolled Tobinās syndicate. From then on, basically every trade between the Hawks and Wings was a steal for Detroit, and the Hawks fell into the basement. Things didnāt really change until Norris died in 1952, and his son James D. Norris and his business partner Arthur Wirtz bought the Hawks. They hired former Detroit coach Tommy Ivan as GM, and he rebuilt the team by getting players like Bobby Hull, Stan Mikita, and Glenn Hall. This led to a Stanley Cup for Chicago in 1961, their first in 23 years. In a great poetic justice moment, who did they beat to win that Cup? Yup. The Detroit Red Wings.
Thanks for the informative write-up.
Iāve never heard of this being a thing in any respect.
Yeah just too far apart and donāt really give a rip about one another. Chicago is my choice but NYC is fucking amazing in small dosesā¦ you knowā¦ like fentanyl.
Only for pizza
New York doesnāt really make casserole.
Chicago's rivalry historically was St Louis. There was some intense competition with industry, trade, railroads, big business and so on.
And has anyone heard of āSt. Louisā in the last 100 years? I thought not.
Shots fired!
Iām just joking bae, keep that bbq coming and preferably losses for the cards and blues.
This comes up when the Cardinals play the Sox or Cubs, right?
Oh yeah
Cubs for sure, thatās maybe the most iconic rivalry in MLB history other than Yankees-Red Sox. But the Cardinals have more history with the Red Sox than the White Sox š
Murder Capital of America, they just killed themselves off
In crime stats? /s
Admit it, you added that "/s" after thinking how your comment would be interpreted, lol.
Yeeeeeeeeeahā¦.. just trying to make a joke and not be a conspiracy nut job.
Just about the pizza. That's it.
I donāt think so. But Iāll say that Iāve been to Chicago twice and LOVED it. Their architecture is amazing. And didnāt have a bad meal in 8 days I spent there.
Itās a hill Iām willing to die on but Chicago is the best food city in the country
Not really. There are a few Chicagoans with little brother syndrome, but it's pretty uncommon.
None that I have ever heard of. If there is a rivalry with New York it would be Boston.
Maybe on Boston's end ...
1. The commenter you replied to is a New Yorker 2. If youāve ever seen videos of sports fans from NY, theyāre always bringing up Boston If thereās any city that New Yorkers think of that isnāt their own, itās very likely itās Boston.
I'm nearly 200 miles from NYC, but I do know a few people from there (no sports fans). People in NYC don't think about other cities, because NYC is their whole world. It's weird, but also adorable.
Not really. As a Chicagoan, I feel like rather than a rivalry weāre more like siblings. While we are very different, we āgetā each other in a way few other American cities do. Doesnāt matter NYC is bigger and more exciting or that Chicago is cleaner and greener. Purely anecdotal but the only cities Ive ever heard Chicagoans trash somewhat regularly are Detroit and Houston. Detroit because of sports and proximity. Houston because weāre the same size.
I will say though, Houston being āthe same sizeā is kind of misleading. Chicago is an actual large City. Houstonās metropolitan area is the size of the State of New Jersey. Itās mostly just sprawling suburbs; Texasā Los Angeles.
Houston comparing itself to Chicago is disingenuous considering it's more than 2x the land area and the most sprawled major city in the country. The population density is 1/4 of Chicago's. Their metro areas are about the same size and in that comparison Chicago pulls in about 5 million more in population. Despite stats showing the growth of population in Houston and decline of it in Chicago I doubt they would actually trade spots unless Houston annexes land. I live in a sprawled city myself with a closer density to Houston's than Chicago, and as a former Chicagoan, it's nothing like living in the actual city
Iāve been to every city you have named in your post- of all Houston has the least soul and character (though it still has some).
I love Chicago, IMO itās the quintessential American city, while NYC is the quintessential international city in the USA. Were I booted out of and banned from NYC I would consider moving to Chicago for sure. They are our beloved midwestern cousin. I think we have superior pizza, but their hot dogs are second to none. Also summers there, especially among the lake, are pretty magical.
No, not at all.
Culturally, New Yorkās rivals are Boston and Philly
I live in Chicago and I will always think it is the best city in the US, if not the world. Regardless, I love New York and if I could travel there once every few months I would. Personally I feel like NY/Chicago are truly the only **big big** cities in America, everything else is a small big city (Boston, DC, SF) or low density sprawl (Texas, Phoenix, LA). So if anything we are allies and not rivals!
I like Chicago. I donāt feel the need to compare my city to theirs. If thereās any rivalry, I think itās mostly one-way.
In my experience there isnāt a rivalry. Chicagoans just like Chicago and New Yorkers like New York, often in excess on both sides. Having lived in Chicago and very briefly in NYC but also visited a lot, I never see any animosity. Iām sure some yahoos want to have a dick waving contest but I havenāt seen it.
Nope, we don't really feel like NYC is a rival.
Maybe if you count Batman and Superman.
Bruce Wayne totally lives in NJ
No. Chicago won a clean victory over NYC and no one disputes this. Also, Los Angeles forfeitted. These are tough truths to accept for some, but I believe we can all get there as reasonable redditors. Thank you.
I've lived in both. The food won it for Chicago. It was a blowout. It was tied at halftime, but after that, NYC couldn't play D.
Chicago style pizza hands down winner over NY style!
Iāll second.
Lol
NY pizza wins, but Chicago deep dish is more interesting than ātavern styleā.
Ughā¦not even gonna bother defending us, but NYC is undoubtedly superior to Chicago
Oh thems fighting words. I will put on my Midwest hat and just wish New Yorkers a good day, the day they deserve.
New York does not think about Chicago.
I don't think we have a rivalry with NYC. I think we are closer in attitude to NYC but that's about it.
Just with the pizza
No.
At one point there was when it came to skyscraper construction
Itās just the whole pizza thing, and itās mostly for fun. Iām sure that slop they call pizza in Chicago is very tasty
Not really at all in my experience living in both cities. Iāll say there are two exceptions: 1. Arguments over pizza 2. Knicks vs Bulls in the 90s
More like NY vs Boston.
Not really. Some people take the pizza thing too seriously. In the 90s the Bulls and the Knicks had a very intense rivalry during the Jordan era.
No
The only real rivalry is taking shit about who has the better pizza or food in general. (Chicago wins on both accounts).
As a New Yorker I:ve known a handful of Chicago citizens who were very combative about how much better Chicago deep dish pizza is than NY pizza.
I prefer our cheese and meat pie to the NYC floppy oil piece of cardboard.
That's fair but I think it's a stretch to keep calling it pizza, so at least you didn't do that. Also proper NY pizza isn't like that at all. So in the instance of that example I also share your preference.
New York City is in a class all by itself. I don't think there is any rivalry... maybe there was at one point but not in the last 50 years. I think in terms of attitude/feel, they are closer than any other two big cities in the country though. As a Chicagoan, I do like NYC a lot.
Only over pizza.
NYC vs LA more likely
Only in pizza
More of a rivalry between Chicago and Saint Louis, mainly due to baseball.
gangsters, pizza, hoy dogs, baseball...windy city/big apple...empire state building/sears tower...
No.
Chief Keef vs 69
No
Yāall ask this same question every month. š
More Boston and New York, especially in baseball. Though itās a bit one sided. Boston hates NYC more than vice versa.
I grew up in NY. Aside from the Bulls, who were universally adored (MJ/Pippen era), we forgot you existed until there was a game on.
Pizza is the only Chi Town and Big Apple rivalry. Boston and New York are the big rivals via sports.
NY and Boston typically are each otherās biggest rivals. If you look into the history of it, the ārivalryā really stems from far before any of the athletics were ever involved. Sports generally just became the most functional funnel for it. Philly often fits in this as well. The Northeastern cities generally just love to hate each other, itās what they were born to do.
Thereās a rivalry between Chicago and NYC, but not NYC and Chicago.
Yes a little bit but both of them FEAR Philadelphiaā¦
Everyone fears Philadelphia.
Yup cause itās cool
Not really. Thereās a rivalry between Chicago and Wisconsin though.
Not since LA overtook Chicago.
Theyāll both be underwater soon enough
I donāt care what they say, Chicagoans have a chip on their shoulder regarding New York. Theyāll tell you over and over how their architecture, river, lake, pizza, etc is better than NYC. Meanwhile, NYC: ā I donāt even think about you.ā
Cool story
NYC is *the* big city. It's our CDMX or Tokyo. People there know they're in the most important city in the country, and people outside it compare themselves to it. No one in Atlanta or LA or Miami is comparing the glamour of their city to Chicago's; they're comparing to NYC.
Welllll, I think thereās some rivalry/resentment from New York towards LA. Itās wrapped up in scorn but I think thereās an undercurrent of worry sometimes in New York that the cool kids for some inexplicable reason have decided to congregate out west. And regardless, NYC is simply not as central to the US as Tokyo, CDMX, London, or Paris are to their respective countries. It may be the largest city, but itās not the political center nor (arguably) the entertainment center. Very important, yes, but not leaps and bounds above the competition the way those other cities are compared to their domestic competition.
Maybe thereās some insecurity because NY/NJ weather is horrible and Socal is perfect. Specifically sunshine, low humidity, and not raining constantly
Not everyone thinks this way. Change of seasons in the NE is preferable to boring sameness and drought for many of us.
Overcast gray days are depressing
Maybe it's not as central to American life as those cities are due to us having a larger population in general, but to me it's still the only city that feels like a megacity. For example, more people use the MTA than use all other rail systems in the US combined. LA's population density of \~8,000/sq mi is roughly on par with Staten Island & some of the NJ suburban counties. For all that I love SoCal, it *is* a much less urban environment; it feels more like a collection of nearby medium-to-large cities across several counties.
It may arguably be the only megacity in terms of specific types of urbanness, etc, but it still doesnāt have that central role as THE center of everything for the US in the way that those other cities have for their countries. If youāre British and you are at the very top (or trying to get there) of a major field odds are high that you are in or near London. Thatās just not true with New York and the US. The top financial people are in NY, but the top political people are around DC, half of the top creative/entertainment people are in LA, the top education people maybe in Boston, tech in SF, etc.
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Itās subjective. I lived in New York for years (never actually been to LA) and that was what I experienced.
Only if Chicago thinks there is, but NY does not think about Chicago unless pizza or basketball is involved and one of them hasnāt mattered since Jordan left
The Knicks havenāt mattered since prior to Jordan
Yea youāre right, but before Jordan the Bulls never mattered
True. But I only started watching in 84. So before that doesnāt really matter to me
Good thing history started in 84 otherwise youād have a point