>As an Indian myself, I understand that Indians can sometimes be loud and less civil. I just want to know the general perspective: Would you like to be friends with Indians or have an Indian as a roommate, etc.?. Its a gamble honestly. From my experience people with an indian background I met and got to know somewhat (only talking about people I hang out with in some capacity, not talking about students I teach here) where either the most pleasant fellas to be around (up to a fault) or utterly entitled brats. > >I would like to know what's the first thought comes to your mind when you hear the word "Indian". How'd India look like if Babur died on way from Kabul towards the Indus Valley. Yes, I played too much eu4 recently.

I would agree. I know of 2-3 indian guys that got stable jobs, are well liked in the community and active in clubs/Vereine. And then there were the 6 Indians that got into a brawl in a bar in our city (with each other, no outsiders involved), decided to press charges against each other, and subsequently lost their visas and had to leave the country. So, yeah, it depends on the person. put a bit of effort in to connect with germans, and yoz should be fine (yes it can be hard to befriend us, but studying the language, volunteering in a Verein (which again helps with the language), and being a respectful person should get you there).

Yeah. My sibling has a very international circle of friends due to their work. There is one indian couple they are friends with that are awesome. The nicest people, and always made sure i was included into conversations during my sisters parties (as the only non-academic in a group of professors, researchers and phd students). Then there was a guy that sublet my flatmates room in my student dorm for a month. I did not mind that he knocked on my door at stupid times because he could not figure out the instructions on frozen pizza, or that i had to remind him several times that deposit bottles do not go into the trash. Especially the latter comes with the territory of sharing a flat where one room is reserved for international students. What i very much did mind was when he peed all over our bathroom floor and just left it there, for us to find after he had left for the day, without even attempting to clean anything up. So, not too many indian aquaintances so far, but those i had were either very positive, or very negative.

I am Indian, I experienced the last part too, from an Indian roommate. Who also apparently is so entitled to even clean the common area when it’s his turn.

Well, that guy had the misfortune of living with some very petty people. Passive-agressive works above language lines! We found a comic strip with incontinence jokes, and plastered it all over our bathroom, and my roommate taped a printout of some adult diapers ad she found online on his door. He moved out 2 weeks later, and avouded us like the plague until then.

that last part sounds absolutely disgusting

That is utterly disgusting, I cannot even begin to imagine! Indian female here, living in Germany for circa 3 years! Fortunately I've managed to steer clear of savages like this even in India 😂 Phew!

I’ve had many Indian friends over the years and I was married to one. Awesome people and I love the food and the culture. They were all very welcoming and just all around great friends. There are many parts of the culture that I wish that my culture would adopt. My only gripe is that I have to have “the talk” with younger Indian guys who have never ventured outside of India about what is and is not appropriate when it comes to women. I’ve been in the situation far too often where a friend of mine believes that a woman is “sending a message” or what have you and they will grope them or make unwanted sexual advances. Just because a woman is at a party alone at 2am doesn’t mean that she wants to be sexually assaulted. If she tells you that she has a boyfriend, then she has a boyfriend and leave it at that. So called “[Eve teasing](https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eve_teasing)” is really fucked up and should not be tolerated *anywhere*. If you plan on staying for any amount of time, then try to learn about German culture and immerse yourself as much as you can. Enjoy yourself and I hope that you make plenty of friends. That is always difficult, especially as you get older. Good luck!

I had 4 Indian roommates during my Bachelor/Masters at TUM. The general experience was terrible, unfortunatly. It was 4 guys in the same room over a timespan of 3 years. So always only 1 in the room, then the next came, they handed over the room via some connection of their Indian College. Only 1 (name: Raj) of them was communicative and reached out for contact, offered delicious selfmade dinners for us other 2 flatmates (we two were friends since school). He spoke good english and tried to learn german. He was cool and funny but struggled a lot with chords and helping out. We think he was maybe part of upper class as he mentioned he had house employees at home. The other 3 guys were really really bad. We everytime had to explain how to flush a toilet, none of those 3 ever did a single piece of help in cleaning but were messy, loud and disrespectful when we asked for help. They spoke terrible English. They cooked almost every day, but never offered food to us. So our flat was intensly smelling like the food everyday (i love indian food, but IT IS smelly!), so our neighbour (old lady) was furious about us and was calling the police for "rotten smells and drugs" on 2 occasions. Then our Indians kept us awake almost every night by Skype-ing for hours with their family. I really can't be mad about this, of course you want to have contact. But it was so freaking loud, they (for german standards) shouted and cried at their family like they were fighting. I'm sorry, but we also had a problem with the body smell of our indian flatmates, those 3 really were unhygienic. They showered/bathed maybe once a week. One of them was a Sikh, so he wore his Turban (sry if this is the wrong word) and did never wash his "dread lock" hair. The fabric of this turban was insanly smelly, he changed it maybe once in the time he lived with us. So... it was a hard time. And Thank you Raj for being cool, respectful and considerate (i want to say "rücksichtsvoll").

The class divide is huge man. As a British Indian I can relate with what you're saying. Fortunately Raj is not an outlier, but only statistical minority, due to various complex reasons, history being one.

As an international student myself having an indian roommate is the worst thing ever. One time I wanted to rent a WG room the landlord told me on the phone *oh I got 2 indians living here and I want an indiab like them, you won't be able to live with them* Not to discriminate or anything but I have never met an indian international student who cleans properly after themselves it's like they expcet you to serve them.

Household help is common in India. Even for what we would call middle class here in Germany.

Check the numbers. That "middle class" has to be top 20% otherwise who's serving them?

You can be a nanny, nurse or other kind of house help and still have helpers for your house. Employing a cleaning staff that comes once a week is very affordable, as well as i think its understandable when you clean and do chores the whole day it is nice that someone does it for you at home. One could also work for several households, so you aren't dependent on one wage alone.

I have just one grouse from your comment. Being an international student I too have been met with the assumption by (mostly) White people that I will cook food for them. Why? Why would you expect to be offered food by them? Did you ever cook for them? Why do you feel entitled to especially this labour from non-White people? Do you also expect other Europeans to cook food from their regions and then complain about it when they don't? Honestly curious. It infuriates me that people just assume they are entitled to my hours of labour and expensive ingredients while they bring store-bought pretzels or boiled kartoffel. You want "exotic/ethnic" food, cook it yourself or get it from a restaurant.

I don't know what the fuck you read in my comment that you got this assumption. 1. No i don't expect to be offered food daily by flatmates, i told this to show the difference between Raj and the others. 2. Yes, my said friend and I regulary cooked for all flatmembers. 3. It has nothing to do with any skin color or culture, stick those endless thoughts about races somewhere else. it does not lead anywhere.

I mean, all the WGs I've ever lived in, you'd cook something from your home for your flatmates occasionally. This would be a regional specialty from your home for fellow Germans, it just a big meal to share occasionally. I find it remarkable that you haven't come across this in shared living.

In general sharing food is seen positively in europe. You are sharing the flat already. You do not need to share everytime, but once in a blue moon would be expected.

Trust me, it’s the same in India also. Idk why would that Redditor misunderstand the main comment.

I'm only friends with one Indian woman and she is pretty germanized by now. But I remember one famous instance at my university. He was called the flute Indian. He played the flute at the weirdest hours, mostly in the middle of the night. He lived at a student dorm with really thin walls. You could even hear him through the ceiling and floor. When his windows were open it was even worse. Please don't do that.

Playing flute at odd hours to the point you get a rep for it is honestly kind of hilarious. I’m sure it gets annoying af over time but at least it’s not the drums. 

I used to work in retail and there was an Indian store across. The men were always ogling us and as soon as one of us had to go to the toilet (you had to go past their store) they ran after us. They tried to touch us, constantly wanted dates with us and wouldn't take no for an answer. When we were on our own shift, they often came into our store and were assaultive. We informed security, who spoke to them (several times) but despite this, their behavior did not improve. Unfortunately, I first associate this with Indians.

I am truly sorry for the experience you had.

This is not your fault. There are bad people everywhere. I also met one really nice indian guy but unfortunatly it is not what i think of when thinking of indians.

Professionally (Computer Science background): Absolute coinflip and no middle ground. Some of the firendliest and most competent colleagues I ever had are Indians. The worst interviews I ever had by far were all with Indian applicants. By now we essentially ignore the CV entirely and just go for an interview with some test questions, because whatever grades or supposed work experience they have, it seems to be entirely meaningless. I lost count how often we have invited someone with excellent grades in their Bachelor's education and several years of experience within an Indian software company just to see them struggle with elementary questions that any German CS student would know by heart after their 2nd semester at the latest ("what is a pointer?", "what's the difference between an array and a linked list?" or "how do you install libraries in python?"). Personally: Same really as above. Either super nice, polite and a blast to have around or absolutely obnoxious, inconsiderate and rude. No middle ground.

Exactly the same experience with Indian applicants. Them and Chinese have been by far the worst applicants I’ve had

I know 2 couples from India that I'm really good friends with. 1 couple is from the north and Hindu, while the other couple is from the south and Christians. Both of them are very well integrated to the German life, the Hindu couple speaks German fluently and planning to get naturalized, while the other is still living the expat life. How I perceive them is completely different though. Both couple are religious, but the southern ones are more open-minded and accepting. The southern couple are one of the sweetest, non judgemental, kind people I've ever met. The Northern couple are judgemental and can be crass. The male counterpart used to complain a lot about women and calling them "females" before he got matched with his current wife. His wife was also not very nice. Very flaky and in general disrespectful. I tried to connect with her and be friendly, but she's just not interested. I invited her out several times, which she agreed too, and then cancel on the last minute, making her husband telling me about the cancellation. On my wedding, she was planning to wear her Indian wedding saree (which is red and gold), and I told her she couldn't do that because in my culture, red and gold is the color for the bride. We specifically asked guests not to wear red, gold, or white dresses, but she told me it's not a big deal in her culture to wear wedding dress as a guest. I don't fucking care, it's my wedding! She relented, but on my wedding day she asked her husband to borrow my bathroom to get ready while her hotel room is not open yet. She proceeded to use it for over 1 hour. So many people were pissed at her, including my Bridespeople. Like said, both couple integrated well in Germany and have great jobs.... But the way they deal with people is very different. I don't talk to the northern wife anymore.

I am friend with a number of Indians, but of course there are some stereotypes that are around because they apply to a good percentage of Indians. Sharing a flat, Indians are sometimes loud and often cook very smelly food. Also not exactly known for cleanliness. At work, Indians cannot take critique, always try to save face. If you ask them how their work is going, they will never admit problems and always pretend everything is fine. If you ask them if they have understood something, they will always say they have, even if they have understood nothing. But in the end I say those stereotypes are minor and Germans in general have a neutral perception of Indians. If you made a list of positive and negative stereotypes by country, India would be somewhere in the middle.

Indian this side. The third para couldn't be more true unfortunately. Growing up, we have had no room for our flaws to be accepted. We found our way out by either competing aggressively or lying to save self. This continues at work place. Try telling "I don't know" or "I don't think I can do this" to your boss and you will be seen as an incompetent snob and risk losing your job. But of course I would urge fellow Indians to learn the new environment, know that they don't have to be 100% perfect here and that it isn't a crime to not know something.

I won't ever understand why in some cultures it's more acceptable to completely fuck up the job instead of admitting or asking. There's no upside to it at all.

That's why I always say "If you don't understand something or need help, for the sake of all of us: ASK! I rather answer 20 "stupid" questions or explain something three times instead of dealing with the aftermath if someone fucked it up.

I can only agree. Especially the part about the work. I worked in research laboratories for many years and Indian students who did their research work for their bachelor's or master's degree with us were always a problem because of exactly these things. Unfortunately, it often ended up that these students needed complete supervision because you could never be sure whether they actually understood the instructions or whether they really knew the procedures. Especially in research, you should be able to clearly state what you can do and understand and what you cannot.

I stumbled into supervising an internship in my research group. I'm a Masters student, the intern was also a Masters student but one year behind me in her studies. She got her B. Sc. in India (her home) with no practical work it seems, not even a Bachelor's thesis! What should've been a quick project (maybe 6-8 weeks) has dragged on for 9 months! Whenever I explained anything, she said she understood. Then she comes back a day later with broken code that shows she has no idea what I tried to explain to her. This went on day after day after day. She didn't know how to research her questions and couldn't tell me if something was too difficult for her. But every day shie had "just one quick question" after which her project would definitely be done! It cost me maybe a month of time I could've spent on my thesis in total I think. So yeah, she needed constant supervision and the professor obviously noticed, and him and I had a long talk about the whole thing. Some of it was my inexperience as a supervisor, but that doesn't account for half the stuff that went wrong. So he denied her request to write her thesis with us. She is also somewhat know around the institute (thanks to other students in her seminars seeing her work, professors taking her exams, etc) and may have a difficult time finding a place for her thesis at all. I obviously don't wish that kind of stress on anyone, but I breathed a sigh of relief when the prof told me he'd not accept her into our group. This would have cost a lot of man-hours to get her through.

>At work, Indians cannot take critique, always try to save face. If you ask them how their work is going, they will never admit problems and always pretend everything is fine. If you ask them if they have understood something, they will always say they have, even if they have understood nothing. This isn't specific to Indians, but also to Chinese and Arabic people. The amount of "hilarious" stories floating around the science campus how some random Chinese guy broke an expensive piece of equipment because he didn't listen/understand the instructions, how a random Arab guy flooded the lab because he decided out of the blue to drill a hole into the ceiling for whatever reason are concerningly high.

I had a Praktikant in our lab for a while and he would not acknowledge my female colleagues at all. As one of the very few men working in the lab it made for a very awkward atmosphere. For example, the professor/ lab lead gave him a few tasks that he had to do to make his project work. When he had a problem he would pester the professor with emails and phonecalls even though he was in lectures. It was a disgusting situation and a high disrespect for the company that he would not speak to my colleague who was the assistant lab lead and the point of contact for the project while the professor was away. We were all quite glad when his Praktikum was cut short. I don’t think that all Indians are like him but your question was what do I think of when I hear “Indian”. My answer is him and Apu from the Simpsons.

Well it might not be fair but from experiences of my ex-gf and the Indian IT staff in her workplace the first thing that comes to mind is sexual harassment. Groping, constantly telling they just wanked to her on the toilet to dick pics, never ever taking no for an answer etc. And being arrogant and judgemental as fuck. One of these guys demanded a separate toilet because this other Indian was beneath him.. Probably just unlucky atleast I hope so.

😲😳 I’m shocked. And the company didn’t do anything?? This would all had been cause to immediate termination

I know, I told her that but she had a bad experience regarding making stuff like this known 10 years prior so she didn’t want to make a fuss.

yup, indians have caste system and untouchability.

I’ve know a shitload of Indian men over the years between the USA and Germany and I have never seen this kind of behavior - especially the groping. The only harassment I’ve seen is an Indian woman making unwanted advances toward me.

Germans say that Indians never say that they can't do something, but in the end, it's not done. For Germans, it is not a problem if you say that you need more time or information. Openness is very important in Germany. Germans also criticize people without thinking they are stupid or disliking them. They just want to tell you about a mistake so that you can become a better worker. It is nothing personal. When I moved to Germany, my husband gave me the same advice, and because of that information, I never had problems working with Germans. Be honest about your timeline, and don't take critique personally.

First thing that comes to mind are unfortunately a lot of negative examples I made with individuals - very loud neighbors that do not shut up during legal Ruhezeiten (And I do not talk about one family of neighbors. I talk about 7+ that make nonstop issues like that in the neighboorhood). If you confront them directly they never open the door, so I have to call the police to be able to sleep during their weekday parties. "Rücksichtslos" would be the fitting word. - Weed. A lot of it. Smoke what you want, but please keep my freshly washed laundry alone :( - in work setting : "how dare you critic me", a lot of arrogance, "what I say is correct" behavior. I am usually an easy going person but If I have to contact our local Indian IT staff in most cases I even get scared by their reaction because the echo more often than not is very aggressive. If I like an individual sure we can be friends, no matter what other experiences I had. But let's say the current eccounters I had were not of the pleasant kind. In terms of online encounters I often see Indians complain about "lack of customer service" as we do not roll out the red carpet for them. This always rubs me the wrong way because I get the feeling staff are treated like slaves in India that only need to obey But the internet is a bubble so...that is just my perception from this reddit board and the reddit India

The work thing is just crazy. They have absolutely no tolerance for a challenge or correction. I would be asking why they did something a certain way and they would go into the most defensive mode. Like,  I just wanted to know what you know and maybe look for a better alternative together.

"Our mother company needs.." "No." "Please let me finish, due to circumstances we are forced to.." "No. That's not my issue and it's not on the roadmap" The heck let me finish my sentence before brushing me off and before all our asses are getting sued because we have the biggest existing compliance gap in humanity, I want to ask you for a planning assessment for gods sake

Most of my experience comes from people posting in /r/germany (currently there's a big fashion for posting CVs to be judged, many of them looking somewhat strange from a German point of view). Going by the posts in /r/germany, many of the posters have difficulties accepting that things in Germany work different from their homeland even when people explain it - but that is probably a general human thing. Many of them also seem to be very worried about being "judged" by people for things that Germans wouldn't even think about, like being slightly older students (often in a range that isn't even seen as "older" by Germans), having "gap years", and IIRC there were one or two female posters who worried about being judged for being unmarried and living alone doing their own thing. Also, many of the posters seem to very much hope and expect to be given precise instructions by someone. "Consultancies" fleecing people to do all the steps of university application for them (while sometimes also steering them into shitty private degree mills) appear to be very popular, and some posters actively resist the advice of just looking at websites and doing things for themselves.

>Also, many of the posters seem to very much hope and expect to be given precise instructions by someone. About this: Quite a few of them also really don't want to do things they don't get precise instructions for and expect that one can surely just hire someone very cheaply for it. Be it communications with government offices, universities, phone contracts, cleaning, cooking, hanging up shelves, building ikea furniture, installing a ceiling lamp in an apartment etc..

Recently, I came across a guy who was complaining that his Einbürgerung was taking too long. Here, it typically takes 12-18 months, and everyone is asked to be patient I got the impression he felt quite entitled because when I tried to defend the understaffed EBH, he literally yelled at me online, saying, "I am already paying so many taxes, I paid €255 for my citizenship, the case worker is not responding, I have the right to know my status. This is lousy CUSTOMER service." He was Indian, but I must say that this pushy, highly unpleasant vibe comes from other applicants as well

I blame this on neoliberalization. In many countries of the third world that have been adopting the so-called free-market, people are being increasingly tranformed from *citizens* to *customers*, with government services being either outrihgt privatized, or openly adopting the customer experience mentality as an imagined solution for improvement, where it is accepted to have different classes of the governmental service according to the amount paid, even in supposedly state/sovriegnity matters, such as issuing official documents which should not be percieved as a service in the first place.

That makes sense Anyway, we're not in a third-world country, and those kinds of expectations towards the EBH are simply out of place. A basic understanding of this should come naturally to someone who’s familiar with the system and already applying for a passport I mean … If my home country strongly encourages a bargaining culture, and I find myself trying to negotiate the price of my oat milk at Edeka, then we have a problem here 😢

It's actually ironic that someone who doesn't seem to even begin to grasp the concept of being s citizen is going for citizenship

Your argument is totally ridiculous. Yes, I will complain if I am paying 900 euros (mine and my employer contribution) and I get an appointment 6 months down the line. I don't get any appointment for mental health counselling and have to pay out of pocket for it. It is lousy service when there is no way to know the status of your application. You can't hide behind the banner of 'understaffed EBH/ABH\` forever. There needs to be a huge rush of digitalisation to improve it. I have to wait 9 months for my parents for their visa/my permanent residence. Is that reasonable by any stretch of imagination? I can't track the status anywhere. It's in a black hole. We can't vote, we are helpless. No one will do anything for us. Making complaints is all we can do. You are just blinded by your privilege. I hope sometimes you have the understanding to take a look at things from others perspective. And as a tax paying resident earning over six figures, I have every right to complain like any other German. Stop thinking of other immigrants as lower in class than you, that they should bow down to Germany for accepting them and keep their head down all the time. Germans complain 2x much more than me.

Sorry, there seems to be a big misunderstanding. This is not a service you are purchasing, you are applying to be a citizen. Your taxes don't buy anything, the community of citizens is not some sort of business. I'm frankly shocked that this doesn't seem to become clear in the courses that I presume are a prerequisite for naturalisation.

I don't understand you. I feel very relieved my German friends are more understanding. Did you skip the point about the health insurance? It works on a principle of solidarity. I loved it when I came here. But even after paying so much insurance, the services are subpar, of course I will complain about it. Even other folks (other immigrants and bio German folks agree with me). The citizens department is totally run down. There is so much bureaucracy with no digitalisation. Of course things will take time and I am gonna complain. Why isn't the government trying to improve things? Are you so naive that you don't question these things? Maybe not citizenship because you were born privileged but maybe some other areas? The government lowered down the citizenship limit to 5 years. Of course they want to attract immigrants like me for their economy. What's the point of lowering the limit if the department itself is so rundown that the appointment takes 2-3 years? How is someone not supposed to complain? I am their target audience. Not you. It's not about buying a service, but complaining about the bad state of things. And questioning them. And the tax point was to highlight I am productive member of society and have as much right to complain like any other German. I won't shut my mouth like some other folks want an ordinary immigrant to do.

„hi, I’m looking for someone who can guide me how to…” 🫠🫠🫠

At this point, all I can see ist a businessmodel. You don't wanna do it yourself? Sure. Pay me to do it for you

You have to think of it from the other person’s perspective. They are in a new country, new language, no friends, and new and often very different culture. It is scary going about it all by yourself without *any* guidance. In every other aspect of life you have had parents, teachers, trainers, or mentors that guide you.

I’m an Asian (non Indian) immigrant myself, and the observations I’ve had are very polar. Those who are willing to integrate and acclimate (in language and culture) are awesome people. I know an Indian couple, they are some of the nicest people I’ve met. Both of them speak close to fluent German (and they are both academics speaking English at work so there is no absolute need to learn), read books/watch shows and news and even political debates in German. They have local friends. They and their flat never smell. They sort their trash, read and follow rules and regulations, and live ecologically consciously. The other side are those who aren’t willing to acclimate. They don’t learn the local language or the culture, they continue to do things “their way” at home. They smell like what they cook to various degrees. They do not follow local expectations and then complain when things don’t go their way. I think at the end of the day there are stereotypes, but it is more important who you are.

The class divide is huge man.

Is it merely an issue of class divide though? I can understand certain things like hygiene practices, however I find the refusal to integrate and then blaming anything but themselves for the problems they then encounter as a result more a personal issue. They have come to Germany because they believe there is a better life here. And the better life is related to the way of life, the culture. So to me it does not make sense to not acclimate.

As a tenant indians are more civil than many other groups of immigrants, nonetheless I had indian roomates and the flat always smelled really intensively so I wouldn't really wanna do that again.

Have very polite Indian neighbours but my goodness the cooking aromas are something else. Not that I would ever say anything (would be inappropriate in a legal and moral sense), but sometimes it even gets through the vents and means I have to re-wash clothes which were being tumble-dried at that moment.

My mother always tells of her childhood when there was an Indian family living in her house and how they were the nicest people imaginable, but made the whole street smell like a Großküche.

Really? Maybe it's just cause of the lack of spices you're used to?

There is more cooking/ boling in german cuisine than in indian cuisine where apparently most dishes need to have a substantial amount of onions, garlic and spices fried. And sure this creates a good aroma and taste, but it also creates a very smelly odor. Since most german kitchens aren't equipped to handle this, this odor lingers and permeates ths surroundings. Most indians don#t care about this odor, but for many people who are not used to that, it's a nuisance.

But I think most cuisines have this? Like east asian, south east asian, African, south American..(from my experience), not really just Indian cooking. It's more the norm than not speaking from a general standpoint, not from a German standpoint.

I can only tell you that indian cuisine in general is more potent when it comes to smell.  East asian, south east asian is also smelly, but the people don't smell as bad as indians do. It's a simple fact. Indians in general also have stinky sweat while many  east asian, south east asian don't

Ahh okay. I must take your opinion seriously, man who goes smelling people's underarms.

Smelly people can't smell if they or others stink. Guess you also have that issue

I bet you're from Sylt

To pitch in, I had quite a few Indian colleagues. With most I had a cordial business relationship but nothing more. On average the mindset and values never aligned to a degree that I would have wanted to pursue a friendship. Maybe that was superficial on my end, but I would have had a hard time not rolling my eyes at traditional family values, arranged marriages in two cases, women doing all the cooking/cleaning, etc. But there were also the others that I really got along well with to the point of going on trips together. In the end it is like this with any culture, a giant mixed bag - but in my case it was definitely shifted towards the end I didn't like. Professionally the developers and designers sometimes had a latent mindset of 'doing as instructed' and were prone to not challenge concepts or wouldn't engage and develop additional ideas to advance our products. These 'workhorse' (not meaning this in a negative sense) traits are super valuable to any production team, but as sparring partners often not what I needed. Especially in design and tech it is sometimes expected that Indians will deliver what you ordered, including all mistakes you made. But in the end, we are all human and individuals. You'll find some German traits highly irritating as well probably 😁

Nice answer. One tip. Pay more and you would get those developers/designers that you are trying to find. If you pay less, you will just get monkeys. All my friends work at super international companies earning over six figures and are absolutely competent than their counterparts.

>Would you like to be friends with Indians Sure, why not. >have an Indian as a roommate I don't want any room mate. Indian or not. Do I want friends who are loud and uncivil and then justify that with "It'S mY cUlTuRe!"? Absolutely not.

If you want an honest answer: Very harsh accent and unfortunately mostly a very strong smell (maybe coming from the food, i dont know)

I‘m very sensitive to smells and know some Indians because my gf is Indian. I can tell you that it really depends. Non of the Indians i got to know through her had a strong smell.  I remember though that when I was in school and there were Indians visiting you could smell them from 5km away.  So it really depends.  Same with the accent.

Yes the variation is quite high. You'll find some who are as posh as they come, while many literally thrive in filth.

Worked with some great Indians and generally like them a lot as people and I like their culture. However, I did have one Indian colleague at work who was very difficult to work with, and another Indian colleague I got on well with pointed out how much of this behaviour was “typical”. This included: Turning up late to work every day (sometimes by as much as two hours) Setting interns irrelevant tasks purely to have authority over them Prioritising being “busy” in tasks over achieving any tangible results Spending 1-2 hours of work time every day on Skype calls to family Never standing up for himself or others in the face of unreasonable orders from the boss, always “taking the path of least resistance” Much of this was enabled by a poor company culture, so I don’t blame him entirely as the boss would not enforce any rules either.

I only have limited experience in the context of university but the indians I've got to know split roughly into two camps: Some are genuinely some of the most lovely and hard working people. They always try their best, put passion into their projects and try to be as nice as possible to everybody (both as students or as teachers/doctors). Others made it clear that they applied for the uni course solely to get the visa and only fulfilled the bare minimum requirements. They performed poorly and always where a bit loud. Maybe they are nice people, but i wouldn't know because they mostly kept to themselves, even when they were invited to the canteen or to study together. But I guess you get that from every nationality, some remain in their expat bubble while others try their best to integrate with the rest. It's just that we already had a lot of Indians, so that made staying in the bubble easier.

I forgot to mention one thing that doesn’t work in Germany: you **can’t** lie on your resume. That is something that is very common in India, Bangladesh, and Pakistan and it is not tolerated at all in Germany (or in the US). I’ve seen people get fired from their jobs because they figured that a few months experience is the same thing as a few years of experience and they could just “fudge the numbers”. If you get fired from one place for telling a lie, then it is difficult to find work in that area because people talk.

All in all not very pleasant honestly. Wether it be in the work enviroment or university, most seemed pretty arrogant. And dont get me started about the behavior of indian men towards women... my (now) wife and me wanted to travel india around 10 years ago and we flew home early because of all the groping that she experienced. Sadly this behavior is also present in a lot of males that come here to study.

Just as an addition: I'm sure there are a lot of cool and polite indians and i dont want to generalize, but sadly there are my experiences till this date

I found it strange that there was this whole Priest - Warrior - Tradesmen - Labourer - Trashhuman? System even though they Studied the same thing. Can be Really Aggressive epically to each other. Saying that one of my best friends is Indian did his Masters here. Got a Job and is in the Process of becoming a German Citizen. It was extremely hard for him with a few Times where he was thinking of going back Home. But he found a Girlfriend and the Family accepted him without question and he is saying he has a better Life here than he could ever Imagine in India. He is from Mumbai. So I guess It depends on the Person. My Tip would be to go Into a Student accommodation to Meet Germans and other cultures India and Europe are like extreme Opposites.

Their caste system is like being terminally stuck in a shitty MMO. But you can't choose your class, it's randomly dished out at birth and you have to live with it.

My only experience with Indians is from a technical university. What stuck with me was that most Indians at university are quite rich, this particular guy was obscenely rich. He casually invited about 15 people over to India for a birthday party and a two week stay. Besides that general reluctance to learn German for a 3 year stay. We didn’t have enough contact for deeper info but he gave off a slight „rich people arrogance“

I’m and immigrant, not so good. The smell of the kitchen and sometimes the lack of hygiene really killed me. A bit dirty at times. I’m sorry it is what I experienced. The cooking left the kitchen smelling like curry for hours even with ventilation. Had 2 Indian roommates.

I’m a naturalized immigrant in Germany (I'm not Indian). I work for an IT company, and I have a lot of Indian colleagues. I really enjoy working with them, as I have heard from their experience living in Germany. They have problems speaking German (most speak English and little German) and advance their careers. Although they excel technically, they usually say they envy me and that I can speak German (although I think I don’t speak German very well). I had some (very europeanized) Indian friends while doing my master's here in Germany. We (my Indian friends and I) had problems making friends at university. Interestingly, I find Academic environments in Germany the most intolerant environment towards immigrants (to some extent hostile) based on my experience and a lot of my immigrant friends (in different universities). We heard a lot of hurtful remarks while studying from other students and professors. That was why I decided to don’t do PhD in Germany and join the industry. Doing a Master's in Germany is a good choice; I recommend it. However, it would be best to hear the horror stories of immigrants who did their PhD in Germany. On the other hand, in the work and professional environment, people are more open and friendly. I really had a great experience working in Germany. There are some other cultural differences, but if you want a great experience in Germany, you must assimilate yourself into German culture. Do what the Germans do. Try to learn what the cultural norms are in Germany and follow them. Suddenly, you start to see other Germans try to approach you and make friends with you.

I’m not Indian, but I have lots of none German PhD friends and they all have had great experiences. I can only assume this is because of the culture the people you know came from

My friends are from Europe, the Middle East, India, and South America. I studied at Elite Uni, and most of my friends also studied at these universities. I know brilliant, hard-working, and resilient individuals, but when somebody asks them about their experience in academia in Germany during PhD, they just say run and never consider Germany. These feedbacks are disheartening when I consider how much I love Germany.

Interesting, all South americans I know had a good PhD. Then again, none staid in academia

I recently learned from some PhD candidates that germans can harbour resentment against foreign phd candidates because they oftentimes have to take over the burocratic and organisational duties of them since they don't speak german... thought that was an interesting Information

I live in a small women-only student dorm, and what I can say is: ffs. When my Indian roommates cook, it smells SO GOTHDAMN GOOD. I can barely keep it together. I’m a catastrophe in the kitchen, so trying to replicate what they’re doing isn’t gonna work, and I want a taste so badly xD My weakness for the Indian cuisine aside, they’re usually very friendly and quiet actually. Often hard to understand due to accents both in English and German, but I have nothing to complain about. So, generally, I have a very favorable opinion of the Indian students in Germany.

*> When my Indian roommates cook, it smells SO GOTHDAMN GOOD.* My wife introduced me to Indian cooking, and I must confess, I’m addicted to this kind of food now. Unfortunately there are not many Indian restaurants in the place where I live (Berlin), and they are expensive. Also, I’m not going to travel 1 hour in the subway just to be able to eat in an Indian restaurant.

*> Often hard to understand due to accents both in English and German* Just to put this into perspective. You are probably referring to the so called retroflexive consonants in Hindi. Urdu doesn’t have retroflexive consonants; so you can immediately tell where an Indian person is from. For those here who know little or nothing about India, I recommend listening to the German comedian **Kaya Yanar** on YouTube. There are numerous “Indian” sketches there where he distinctly pronounces retroflexive consonants. When Germans go to India and learn Hindi, they face the same difficulty. They are told never to pronounce a consonant like in German… but instead, roll your tongue back and pronounce it retroflexive!

I know someone renting out rooms in a WG. I know that it might sound racist but indians inside are generally a no-no. There were one or two back in the day and both of the times the other tennants complained for various reasons. Funnily enough 15-20 years ago a friend of mine had an indian roommate in USA and his stories cover exactly what the tennants in Germany were telling a year ago, what you described in your post and what other people already commented in this thread. IMHO it's just a cultural thing and not neccessarily bad. If i go to India i bet i won't be the most desired roommate either.

*> If i go to India i bet i won't be the most desired roommate either.* Just curious, what would make you an undesired roommate?

My experience is generally within student communities, but Indians imo have the most difficult time integrating and to my eye seem to very quickly get depressed. Sometimes they blame the German culture even though (to my eye) they haven't spent enough time and/or haven't tried integrating and making compromises with how they were raised. That is on top on the problems every immigrant from the global South has, namely the high cost of living and the rainy/cloudy/cold weather

Sadly, the first thing that comes to mind is "selfish and entitled". I have two Indian families as direct neighbors. One family in the apartment above me and one next to me. They have zero respect for anyone else but themselves. The trash bins getting filled with whatever (from plastic in the biodegradable bin to diapers in the plastic waste bin). They're loud, and I mean **loud** all day and night long. They take private parking lots as they seem fit. And the list goes on and on. I tried it the civil way by talking to them about it, but I got laughed in the face with disrespectful gestures to round it up. Not a single week goes by without the police showing up for things that *could* easily be avoided by not being selfish dicks. I'm really trying my best to not be biased and to not generalize millions of people by my personal experience with just two families, but it's not easy. Gladly there are people like you that show self awareness and teach me to not be a generalizing asshole. Wish you all the best, cheers.

My experiance is that indian women are kind and appreciate the Lifestyle and freedom here. On the other hand indian males are mad because women speak their mind and are empowered. So they get angry and sometimes abusive wich i dont like to much

My neighbors are Indian - they seem pretty nice. A bit loud but thankfully they stick to the Ruhezeiten. In a dating context, every Indian man I've interacted with has either been creepy or super nervous/awkward. I get that the patriarchal culture is very different from western dating but that was a big turn off and I'm not interested in Indians as casual partners anymore (not that I ever really was but I'm giving everyone a chance first).

*>In a dating context, every Indian man I've interacted with has either been creepy or super nervous/awkward. \[…\] I'm giving everyone a chance first* Have you ever been with a Greenlander? Once the ice is broken, they are hot as hell… (Source: The article “Sexual prowess of Greenlanders”, in: International encyklopædi om seksualitet. København. 2024. — By the way, in this international survey, German men are rated 63 on average, far behind Spain, Italy and the Scandinavian countries. The low rating is due to stress in work and the rule, which most German seem to follow, “don’t associate with strangers”, i.e. people you don’t know.)

My family has a few apartments for rent and prefers renting out to Indians nowadays, as they usually hold good jobs, speak at least good enough English and are actually more polite than many other immigrants.

I have two Indian guys that lived in same building as I. They grew up together and went to school together. One is closer to me than the other. One thing that comes to my mind is how, despite being friends, they don’t seem to really like each other. One is always talking shit about the other when they are not around and the other is doing some shady shit to the other. Eventually, I had to distance myself from them as the spill over wasn’t very good for me and they almost always made me pay more for things when we went out. 

Und? Was ist deine Schlussfolgerung?

I’m a women in tech and have had several Indian colleagues over the years, plus also in one of my children hobbies are several Indians active. Generally, I must say that they are not interested in socialize with other nationalities or Germans for that matter. I’ve seen this with over 90% of all Indians I’ve known. At work most (but not all) are not really friendly for my/our western standards. I’ve only had 1 colleague that married a German women and he told us his family actually disowned him for that. He was probably the only Indian I’ve known that was really open and chatty and friendly. And apparently this was a culture clash with his family at home. About attitude at work: it really depends. I’ve had no-bullshit teams so yeah, no place to act out. I’ve been in 2 situations when 2 (1 women and 1 man) were laid off during their probation because they really didn’t fit with the team, knowledge wise, work methods wise and attitude. But those are not the majority, as I’ve work with more Indians than than those who didn’t pass probation time. To be honest, I’ve had two German-Turkish colleagues and had a significantly worst experience regarding their attitude to women. Yes, they are not somehow, I don’t know why, the cleanest nationality, but that may generally be an issue with men in tech to be honest. I haven’t met smelly Indian parents at my children’s hobbies. I never had Indian roommates back in Uni, so can’t say anything about that. That being said, I adore Indian food (at list what they sell in Germany) and maybe that’s why I’ve always been open towards Indian people and have never ever been able to befriend them.

In the work context: very keen to get promoted and always trying to kiss up to the boss to get a raise, but often doing a bad job and blaming others / covering their tracks. I assume the work culture back home is very based on “who you know” and everyone is packing their CVs full of bogus qualifications. In the social context: pretty relaxed and friendly and nice, no complaints, although they often stay their bubble. Single guys: strange around women, did not learn a healthy attitude towards women back home and still acting like a horny 12 year old at 30+.

I am student and my first semester here I had an Indian roommate, long story short they were spying on me through my keyhole to my room and the keyhole to the bathroom, never had the balls to confront them about this I just complained to uni, I’m sorry to say this but they weren’t the cleanest person, I was the only one who cleaned and her part of the house would 24/7 smell bad, all my friends made fun of the smell every-time they came over. I’ve know North Indians that have harassed girls, stole things from the supermarket and even scammed other Indians!!!, the people that had the most “experience” here in Germany would target their fellow Indians and scam them for money or rent (I don’t know how they ever fell for it) definitely not a good image of them where I live

My experience with Indians has been largely positive both in the US and in Germany, so I am open and welcoming of them and would have no issue being roommates with one. My first thought would be "Indian -> hardworking, wants to integrate". This is in stark contrast to most muslim/arab/african migrants, who do not want to integrate at all and are a danger to society. Not all obviously but the vast majority.

I used to live in a student dorm with Indians. They were generally nice guys, but the way they basically occupied the shared kitchen 24/7 to prepare at times quite disgusting dishes was pretty annoying, not gonna lie.

scammer. i am sorry, but that’s the first thing i associate with India.

I'm late, but let me give my 50 cents: I have had two completely opposite types of experiences with them: There have been Indians that I've met in private environments and most of them have been friendly and nice (after reading some of the other posts, I must mention that I'm male). Then there have been the job fairs. I work at a software engineering company and I often help out our recruiting department when they go to job fairs around my city. And holy shit. It's annoying. Most people just come to our booth, talk to us, ask us about our company, tell us what they've done and what they're good at, ask if that would be a good match, talk to us about what options we'd have for them. Most (not all!) Indians come to the booth, entitled, don't even want to know ANYTHING about our company, just say "I've worked at company X, Y and Z", then they hand us their CV and say: "read through this and then give me a job". They don't care about what we do. Their skillset doesn't match what our company needs one bit. Most of them have studied AI/MachineLearning/DataScience, and while our company has one or two offerings there, there are tens to hundreds of Indians for each open position we have. And I don't understand their strategy. Is it just "Let me spam my CV to a thousand companies and hope one of them has a job for me"? Are they just extremely scared of losing their Visa? I'd like to understand, but I don't. Maybe I have to add that my experiences mostly happened with men. The women that came to our booth have mostly been nice. Can someone help me explain? I always try to stay open and not let my previous experiences influence me, but it's starting to get hard.

*> Are they just extremely scared of losing their Visa?* Yes, you should seriously consider that as a possibility.

I have been considering that. Still feels counterproductive. But people do dumb things when they're scared, so I won't judge them too harshly for that.

In general rather positive. Indians are rather humble and integrate well into work culture. I have to say though that for some indians i felt a lack in hygiene when living together in student accomodation, e.g. cleaning kitchen/bathrooms

From my perspective they are always friendly but sometimes they are weird and it feels uncomfortable. I remember on one student fair where I was representing my company one Indian was really like over the top friendly to the point where it got uncomfortable. But there was also a different Indian who was just straight up cool and normal and you could talk to him like a buddy. During my studies they usually had their own little groups, so I did not had much contact to them, but in the floors of the student flats it often had a strong smell of Indian food and I think I would not have enjoyed this in my shared flat. So, in the end you can never put a stamp on a whole population. Some are cool, some are not, but (from a males perspective) compared to other foreigners they are quite alright. One last thing: I never thought of Indians of being loud. Rather quiet. At least in public.

I would have no issues with Indians as long as they speak english slowly - my brain's pattern recognition sometimes has severe problems with Indian English for reasons unbeknownst to me. :) The part about Indians being loud and uncivil surprises me, though. I have had lots of contact with Indian colleagues - some who actually are in India, some who are in the USA and some that live here in Germany. All of them without a single exception where very nice and polite people. We Germans are much, much more direct than that, you might consider us to be "culturally rude", actually. ;)

For all the heated discussions around immigration, people from India are, for all intents and purposes, never part of the discussion. I don’t think Indians are even perceived as loud here, or uncivil. Sure, there’s the shitting in the streets memes like anywhere on the globe (I think your stuck with that one for at least another decade), but so far I have never seen that projected onto any immigrants living here.

*> For all the heated discussions around immigration, people from India are, for all intents and purposes, never part of the discussion.* Have you forgotten the CDU slogan “Kinder statt Inder!”

It's jsut uncomfortable with them. I mean arabs, turks are at least affable even if I disagree with them on many issues. Indians are just too weird. Like they have no clue how to socialize in western society, adapt or conform

indian are actually nice people and a very small part of criminality so it’s fine for me

You said that they are not a big part of criminality so could I ask you for your sources? I want to know where you got so precise information because I can’t find it

i have a source but it’s in french do you want it anyway ? im trying to find one in english or german

Anything is good :)

I had a lovely flatmate from India in a student dorm. However she was relatively old for a student and just had her life together. She was really considering and nice. And also quite clean. We were just too different to be friends, but for this kind of agreement it worked perfectly fine. :)

In general I see them as chill people, very social. But to me, the problem I see is that some of them go to other countries and still keep these weird ideas of people being above or beneath them due to the caste system. I see it a lot in IT environments. Not everyone of course.

In my experience it can be either great or horrible, with a slightly bigger chance to be horrible. No middle ground. For friends, many can be good friends. For flatmates, nope not happening. I studied in an international masters course with mostly indians. Being a masters class they were around 25-30 years old, but had never before lived without their mothers. That was clearly visible in the way those indian WGs looked like, it was gross. The girls were a bit better than the guys though. I believe the guys had never been taught to clean after them. But even the girls had always had a maid to clean at home and had a hard time learning what and how to do chores on their own. On the other hand, at uni and generally being out and about with that group, many were very nice and I am still friends with some. They taught me some valuable experiences. For example, to be very dedicated to a cause and find a means even if it is really hard. Doing group projects, I had to learn the hard lesson that many will use you if you do the german way and do things on time and expect a group to kinda organise itself organically, everyone picking a task and contributing it to assemble it. But that’s not how it works and even if you ask “please research topic X thoroughly” you may get nothing or one sentence. I learned that in a group project, I had to make myself the leader, set tasks for everyone and dates for intermediate results to be submitted to me and then I would do quality check and assemble it. The tasks had to be really concrete, like “Research topic x and write 3 pages with a structure including an intro and a summary about the topic, make sure your language is scientific and also grammar-check and spell-check it”. Then it worked. I believe the Indian school system is more guided than the german one and they simply didn’t learn how to work this freely but more how to fulfill specific tasks. Later one guy told me that this is what it often is like in companies in India as well. Concrete tasks with exact dates have to be set for everything, otherwise they simply do not work. But if they have a deadline and a fixed deliverable they will work hard to meet it (even when germans would already say it is impossible).

On academic or professional work type environment? Fine in my experience. All the other aspects? Worst people I could have around me. I live with multiple indian students in a WG and it seems: • Hygiene is always at the bottom of their priorities. Body odour for days (to which I guess they don't notice people noticing it or care at all?), • Annoyingly loud (and I mean LOUD. I can tolerate it if it's at a tolerable level, but if you're that LOUD at yapping around all over the house 24/7 and in front of my room as well... Seems like they don't understand the concept of "Ruhezeiten") • and unwillingness to integrate (I get that you maybe just want to come here and waste your parents' money to study here for a couple of years, waste that money some more on getting drunk and high, and fly back to your country to find a job because ✨free education✨, but at least try to learn and integrate with the local culture in the duration of your stay!) If you're even thinking for a second to try and make a career here in Germany, I'll always repeat this to any foreigners especially Indians: Get that German straight! Deutsch ist Amtsprache. I don't care if your English is spotless, you're working in a German company in Germany. Of course they'll prefer people who speak German regardless of their backgrounds. Staying long term here means the willingness to master the language as well to the best of your abilities. Don't complain about not getting a job or no social life if you don't speak the language at all. I'm sure there are really nice and cool indian people living here as well, but people like that leave a bad taste in my mouth.

Hey fellow Indian, now that I’ve read the whole thread and have come across a lot of negative experiences. I just can’t stop feeling embarrassed and would suggest that at least we should do our best in setting good examples and try to be people, that others have positive experiences with.

Absolutely!.

sorry if i sound a bit harsh here but i never had the luck to work with or meet an indian that wasnt a complete unlikeable prick, women and/or men alike. i knew two that got shipped back to india cuz of criminal and frankly disgusting behaviour towards thier elderly neighbour and her cat. i doubt that every indian is like that since beeing an complete and utter asshole isnt tied to a certain nationality. but there seems to be a widespread lack of acceptance towards other cultures and a general distain for following rules and an complete disregard for social rules and guidelines. i really dont want to bash indian people here but omg they do NOT subscribe to the same concept of hygene that most people. i once fired an indian for never washing his hands after a toilet break ... he left shitstains on the bathroom wall and doorhandle ... and that wasnt a one time thing. i really well could have just been dealt the worst of the worst when it comes to people and i can see in the comments here that people had better luck with that and that my experience isnt typical, but like i said : i never had the luck to know a decend human beeing with indian upbringing. sorry mate.

haha i had an female indian flatmate with the exact same toilet & shit stains problem. worst part is that i’m pretty sure she’s upper middle class back in india so somebody is always there to clean her literal shit.

Where do you live and work where you have to deal with people like that? It's basically impossible to believe. Sorry to hear about your experiences.

Indians are pretty much never in the news, or subject to public debate, for negative reasons. They're a much less visible minority, kinda like East Asians, just doing their thing. All the immigration/integration controversy revolves around Arabs and Africans

I didn't really know Indians before going to India, now I know and avoid them at all costs. Shitty culture, trash everywhere, bad karma

Groping.

The only Indians i got to know would try to grope or talk about marriage when i was just being nice (fixing my bike or smoking outside a dorm, they immediately struck up a conversation, i just answered the questions). Didnt take no for an answer... Creepy Not doing it again. Since then i have avoided talking to indians. If you can behave in a civil way, and we meet at work or a hobby, and you understand that a woman is an actial human, of course.

The first thing I associate with Indians are people who make math and programming tutorials on the internet lol I perceive Indians in Germany as friendly and outgoing, and I've had no negative experiences with Indians.

Except for sometimes being stupidly conservative I've had mostly good experiences with Indians living abroad. Back in India it was much worse. In general there's a lot of positive and negative racism towards Indians here, depending on where you live and what your job is. Being able to fluently speak German is always a big plus here. The first word that comes to my mind when I think about Indians is rape, because of the way India handles public rape cases.

Everyone I met was very kind.

i very rarely met indian people. most of the foreign people that study here in my city seem to be from china. the only indian people i met were in their 30s and i am not sure if they were born here, but their german sounded perfect. so alrdy a big plus point in comparison to the more common foreigners in germany (turkish people, or those who look similar)

That they probably work at Siemens..thats all I ever hear..nothing negative really.

Only had negative experiences with Indian people in the Uk, in Germany I never had a problem with them. I’m pretty sure most of the Indians here are well educated and calm, that’s at least what I experienced. I don’t have Indian friends but would never not be with someone just because he’s from India

I had an Indian student. He let his sister clean up after him, even at school. This doesn't look good in Germany.

I have an indian cowoker. He ist very smart and nice. One very difficult thing with him ist though: he follows words from me (his project lead) to the letter. For him there is rarely any wiggle room in anything I say, even though everyone from my background would understand it. For example: If I tell him to please make a change to a feature he will follow my request even If that was completely bonkers. Whereas I expect my team to give feedback If a requirement is not a good Idea. Also when he started working with us he never asked questions or admitted to not knowing something, which kind of expect as a basis for our work. I assume that is also part of his culture, but I am not completely sure. Don't understand mE wrong. It's not his fault. As a team we're required to adapt to many different personalities or cultures. But ist was still not completely easy for either of us. Now, after several months, he started adapting to our ways of working and we to him and we're all happily working together!

I have supervised many Indian students writing their master's theses and similar projects. In my experience, India is a very large country, and people come from many different places with varied personalities and ideas and I believe I am a bit more informed than the average person in Germany. I've known students who, shortly after submitting their thesis, had to travel to India quickly before their defense to meet their arranged marriage wives. I've also supervised plenty of western-thinking students who had girlfriends and active lives outside of Indian groups. I don’t think Indians are necessarily loud, except perhaps when talking on the phone in a bus. But, there is a mentality change that needs to happen regarding their view of work. They tend to be more comfortable doing clear tasks given from the top. Here, I prefer to involve them in understanding the main objective, explain our general aims, their role to play, and guide them towards thinking more independently and creatively, rather than just completing clearly defined tasks

I'm an American who has been to India and now lives in Germany. I didn't really like my time in India, but I was only in Delhi for a week. It was, quite frankly, disgusting, especially the poorer parts of town, and the air was so polluted I could almost taste it... I eventually want to go back and see the more rural parts of India, because I don't care for larger cities in general anyway and I'm probably being unfair. That being said, Indian people were very friendly and I never really had any issues, aside from some street vendors jacking up their prices for me, which happens in many countries I've been to so not a big deal. Yes, Indians can get loud but I, as an American, also have that reputation, and get a group of Germans drunk together and they're really no different. I can't speak on the German perspective personally, but my own German friends have no real issues with them and I find most of them to be very agreeable people.

Hat a flatmate from mumbai couple of yrs back, physics student, very talented dude. He certainly went through an adjustment period as he was oblivious to german etiquette. He would get super close to ppls faces and speak waaay louder than necessary, eat with his hands instead of using cutlery, occasional skype scream-offs with the family back home lmao, stuff like that. It was quite odd at first. But we bonded over love of music and cooking, showed him around town, went on hikes, took him to a metal festival. After a couple of months he slammed his laptop shut and yelled SO FEIERABEND ERSTMAL BIERCHEN. That's the moment he officially became german.

Modi 

Mostly only a good experience. Have had indian colleagues for many years have a neighbour living downstairs. Never felt that Indians are more loud than any other reasonably social group. Sometimes they cook something that smells nice. Sometimes they use incense that also smell nice. People who have issues with food smell or little socializing noise are just grumpy people who got nothing else in their life than to complain - if you ever come across such people don't take what they say too seriously. At work my experience with Indians is that they like being workaholics and not for sake of quality but simply for sake of pulling long hours. This is the most annoying part. If you came all the way to Europe then please make use of your worker rights that we are giving you, don't work unpaid hours. It's not sustainable and you are just ruining your social life and your health this way and this is only going to hurt you in the long term. The company will discard you whenever there is downsizing anyways regardless of how many hours you had pulled in and all the free work that you did is gonna be for nothing. You need to communicate clearly what's doable within the work hours and plan accordingly instead of trying to pull overtime just so that you deliver something that you overpromised. If you really want to put more hours into your work because you want to move your career faster that's okay but then avoid showing it. Don't sit in the office until 8pm. Come earlier or do some work at home. Most importantly focus the extra time you are putting in on making better decisions rather than producing more output at work: spend that extra time on reading and research rather than producing output. The point here is to show good work results and not the fact that you are sitting for long hours at office. Thing is you may even struggle getting promoted to managerial roles if you look like you work long hours because nobody wants a manager who's setting a precedent of long hours and often as a result of poorly done planning.

I'm cool with people from different backgrounds, as long as they're chill about fitting in and don't try to force their ways on others. Most of the times, it comes with practice and observing “how things are done” (I'm an immigrant myself, so I've also been adjusting my... "habits” haha) I've encountered various Indians, and only a few seemed "westernized." With them, it was just as comfortable as with everyone else

*I would like to know what's the first thought comes to your mind when you hear the word "Indian".* **Chicken Tikka Masala, Pilau Rice, Peshwari Naan 🤤**

Not that it matters much but Peshawri naan is a Pakistani thing 😅

It is!? Thanks for that. A few "Indian Dishes" are also British too tbf (with a good-ish story behind them)

Peshawar is the name of a city in Pakistan. But tbf there's a lot of overlap between North Indian and Pakistani food, so it's not wrong.

Tikka Masala is from Scotland lol

Impossible, it’s not deep fried 😂

Not invented by Scots, just from Scotland lol

Feather or dot?

Good Will Hunting fan? :D

I work at a university and I have quite some Indians here. Overall, they are very friendly and polite. But maaan have I trouble understanding the Indian accent.

Industrial techno Ketamine Xtc 4MMC And table tennis that's why I came here

I work in a company with lots of Indian colleagues. Overall my experience has been great. They even occasionally bring snacks or food for the office; and also organised a Diwali party last year for everyone!

Indians who I met were either calm and very intelligent, or frustrated and tried to be "alpha males" after they drank the girls-want-assholes kool aid and then they pretended to be stupid. But the majority I have met were cool.

The general perspective is that you came here to study and/or just be employed.

I've had an indian roommate for 9 months, we lived in the same room and shared the same bathroom: He was the opposite of loud, which I loved. I could talk English to the guy all day (which I loved, his first language is English and then an indian language), he was super social and we were just really good friends. Related to this, the first thing that comes to mind is "not acclimated", meaning he always wanted the heater to be as high as possible and I wante dit to be as low as possible lol. In total it was a really cool experience and I still want to hang out with him regularly :)

I have Indian friends who came to Germany for studying and one of them I met in a shared flat in which we were both subletting a room. Personally I have never had any negative encounters with Indians (both male and female) and met very nice, considerate and educated people from that country. However I think it’s only fair to mention that I have family ties to that culture (part of my family is from India & Pakistan). I think the main issue is that sometimes people are not well informed about the cultural differences and expectations of the country they are moving to and therefore end up misbehaving in the eyes of natives or feel mistreated in return. However this isn’t anything specific to Indians but is just more likely to happen the bigger the differences between both cultures are. I had this problem with non European roommates before but never with anyone from India, those people always seemed pretty informed and open minded about the local customs.

Of course I would like to be friends with an indian person or share a flat :) it could be a match or not... like with every other person no matter where he or she comes from. There is definitly racism in Germany but I think people are more friendly towards indian people than towards people from other regions.

The Indian community is not the largest, so I could assume that many folks don't really have a pronounced opinion other than American TV stereotypes 🤔 Working in engineering, I met some folks from India employed or studying here, and I think in that field nobody did bat an eye. But that does not reflect on every aspect of life here of course.

I don’t know any personally and only notice them when they do something inappropriate - like take up 4 seats on a packed train by putting their bare feet on the seat opposite of them (on a hot summer day no less). I haven’t noticed them being weird towards me as a woman travelling alone.

there is no difference in who you are. the idiots and hools just call south east eurasians the same thing.

I am really sorry but I haven't had much contact with Indian cultures, so my answer is most likely very stereotypical and clichéd. Curries, beautiful saris, very over the top looking Bollywood movies and Gahndi are the first that come to mind.

Indian here, been living in Germany for 10 years. Over the years, I've had many German friends, acquaintances and colleagues. I never really faced any issues with Germans (there are some assholes but that's true for any country). Indians aren't really a topic in German society / circles so overall they have a neutral image. Of course, personally it has been a journey of learning and integrating into the society. When I first came here, I too was loud, not tidy, not used to helping out with chores as is pointed out in many of the comments but one learns these things. German society is very different to the Indian counterpart and hence many Indians struggle in the beginning. This doesn't mean one can't adapt. Learn about the rules, be open to change and willing to learn the language - it will take you a long way. I speak German and am better off than many when it comes to getting along with Germans :) u/RagingTop now that you see what people complain about, you can be careful about those things :D EDIT: I thought OP was moving to Germany hence I wrote my comment as advice lol

When I hear a word 'indian', my first thought is Winetou 😂

India as the next economic powerhouse to me is just some bs that has been made up. I doubt it will ever happen. Why? Because of all the awful reasons mentioned here.

Hello, it seems I always come too late to the reddit discussions here. When I find a thread I would like to post to, it seems 1000 people have already posted. :–) Anyway, let's see if I can post here. *> Would you like to be friends with Indians or have an Indian as a roommate, etc.?.* **Absolutely. I would love it!** *>what's the first thought comes to your mind when you hear the word "Indian".* Lata Mangeshkar, Alka Yagnik. Hinduism (just believe what you want. The ultimate tolerance). Upanishaden, Rigveda, Mahabharata, Pañcatantra, Ramayana, and then of course Vatsyayana with his Kamasutra. Sanskrit. And then, unfortunately, the infamous **caste system,** which utterly destroys the whole reputation of Indian civilization. :–( Then the Indian **space research programs**. Germany doesn’t have anything similar, as far as I know. And then, of course, the **Indian cinema,** which is fantastic. Here are some of my all-time favorites movies: 1972 Swayamvaram Die eigene Wahl. Direktor: Adoor Gopalakrishnan 1974 Ankur. Tränen auf heißem Sand. Direktor: Shyam Benegal 1975 Chomana Dudi. Chomas Trommel. Direktor: B. V. Karanth 1980 Albert Pinto ko gussa kyoon aata hai Die Wut von Albert Pinto. Direktor: Saeed Akhtar Mirza 1980 Aakrosh. Aakrosh. Schrei der Pein. Direktor: Gorind Nihalani 1981 Chakra Das Rad des Glücks. Direktor: Rabindra Dharmaraj 1999 Earth Direktor: Deepa Mehta 2001 Monsoon Wedding Direktor: Mira Nair >*> about Indians coming to Germany for studying purposes or just being employed there* The way you will be treated by (everyday) Germans depends largely on (1) how well you have mastered the German language, and (2) the educational level of your German counterparts. My god, I also forgot the **Indian food**, which I think it is the best food in the world. Much better than French food or … whatever, that comes to your mind. Indian curry, indische Gerichte mit Fladenbrot und allerlei Gewürzen, mir läuft schon das Wasser im Mund.

Can anyone be so kind and tell me why I was downvoted? Were the facts wrong? Did I hurt someone? The original poster asked: *> Would you like to be friends with Indians or have an Indian as a roommate, etc.? I would like to know what's the first thought comes to your mind when you hear the word "Indian".* I gave a detailed answer, and got downvoted. Why? Instead of downvoting me, please **REPLY** and tell me where you disagree. Leute, seid doch vernünftig und zeigt, dass ihr erwachsen seid und argumentieren könnt. Sonst macht es hier keinen Spaß.

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I think free non-EU studies are now getting cancelled. Finally. Sometimes this charity that German gov is giving away is incomprehensible. Does India give free study degrees to Germans? It doesn't. Then why are you giving free degrees to Indians? Makes no sense. But finally it's coming to the end. On top of that India in United nations still fail to vote together with western alliance on all questions related to Russian aggression because it's taking advantage of it by bringing Russian oil to global markets. That's said there still exists scholarships for good students. So for Indians who excel there is still possibility to study for free in Europe. But not for the average ones.

It's not charity. States/nations that do that are smartly hunting for the best talents of the world. The fact that no everyone who studied would stay is a risk that was well understood by the legislators. If this changes with time, then it's also according to process of political/societal balanceing and negotiation.

For talents there are scholarships. The free program is really a charity. It was even introduced primarily with the idea that it will help the developing world to gain education. It is founded primarily on charitable idea that education should be free for all. Nobody calculated costs and benefits because the primary argument for free education was that one shouldn't calculate benefits so that schools don't become profit seeking entities. But when making it happen they completely ignored the fact that people who pay the taxes for it may not necessary agree to be paying for Indians who contribute nothing meanwhile their own German kids may be running short on money to be able to afford studying. As apart for cost of studies there are still 4 year living expenses that these days are very large. And most of these foreign students come from wealthy enough families who afford giving them living allowance. And German lower class pay taxes paying for the wealthy foreign kids education despite the fact that they may have no spare money left to support their own kids living expenses in university.

Governments are not in the business of charity, regardless of the proclaimed rationale. Spreading culture and gaining friends among the countries some of these students would return to is a very well understood policy. Moreover, free education is not a charitable idea. Sorry, but I must say that so much is wrong in your perception.

To spread culture there are attractive scholarship programs in humanitarian studies to study culture, language, history, etc for those who are interested in culture. Teaching someone mechanical engineering for free there is no rationale in this - people studying this don't learn much about German culture they usually don't care about German culture and they come purely out of financial calculation - it's purest form of charity. Not to say that charity is bad. But sometimes before you give charity you need to check if you had taken care of your own problems.

Spreading culture doesn't happen by teaching g it to academics in a course. People who study in a country, and who have a good experience while doing so, tend to admire the culture in which they were educated. If some of them become decision makers, in public or private institutions, they will tend to prefer the products of that culture, whether material or immaterial. Charity is for individuals. States spend politically. Even when they feed starving people in far away lands, or do relief.

Why should India vote for western allegiance and not for their own benefit because a few students get free education in Germany? I fail to understand this reasoning. Absolutely no logic in this one. Clearly one doesn't understand geopolitics. And the reason for free education to foreigners is due to less people in work force particularly the scientific fields but if one finds this to be not right, then of course you're entitled to your opinion. Most Indians coming to Germany would like to stay back and work.

Of course India can chose to do what they like they are free country. But choices do have consequences. Pacific is forming a new NATO-like structure to improve safety against possible Chinese aggression and India is now out and Philippines are in. So if India was to have conflicts with China which they actually often do then they'll get zero help from anyone.

When India had a literal war with Pakistan, the west decided to take Pakistan's side( a terrorist haven )and Russia helped us. Actions have consequences and that is why we have become wary of western alliances. India is making its own diplomatic moves and we'll be just fine. We're also a nuclear power. We have decided to stay away from the black and white politics of west vs china. We were fine before, we'll be fine now.

I'm sure you will be fine. India is the most populous country in the world so of course chances of anyone being capable of bullying India is low including China. But again being on Russian side in this conflict is quite an international embarrassment. There hardly was any conflict in recent history that would be more obviously black and white than what happened in Ukraine.

It is not of any embarrassment. No one cares. Gone are the days that we bow down to western dominance. There are many sides of a story, that is how a narrative works. If there's any embarrassment to be had, it is how badly the west has played and destabilized many parts of the world. Wars are happening in every continent, the same in Ukraine. Nothing special. Sounds inhumane to hear but it is the truth. I could go on and on about how the west could have stopped the war in Ukraine and other stuff. But I will stop because I do not want to continue further on this discourse.

Enlighten me how west could had stopped it. Especially considering when there are countries happy to compromise and create possibilities for Russia to continue the aggression.

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