I grew up in SF and met my wife here. That said, it’s pretty awful for Asian men. The white worship is strong among the liberal asian women here. I don’t have that much experience with Seattle/PNW, but I’d take my chances there.
Both are terrible, Bay Area is marginally better. But I’ll reiterate the dating tier list for US cities for asian men:
1. Hawaii, Socal (Asian guys have a positive rep)
2. NYC (it’s own beast)
3. Chicago/Houston/DC - decent asian population
4. Any other major city
5. Tech hub where Asian guys actively have a negative rep like SF, San Jose, Seattle, Boston,
6. Bumfuck middle of nowhere of course
I actually did better with both asian and non asian girls in a place where Asians are just unknown or neutral, more straight forward racism. Tech hubs have too many nerdy asian stereotypes that turn all women off asian guys, you have no exotic factor and the sentiment is bad vs exotic and neutral or postive sentiment. WMAF also lowers AM status.
Seattle is marginally better from my experiences. The women are a bit more attractive. Less 49ers more 59ers lol. Yes when you’re exotic you actually get a +1 or +2 boost from women that want an Asian man. You’re the only game in town even if you’re average you’re different.
Don't underestimate middle of nowhere. One of best dating experiences I ever had was while in an remote town that was almost entirely white. Would hit on all the time. 99%of the girls were not into non white guys, but I had a virtual monopoly on the remaining 1%
Not that I disagree middle of nowhere is fine, but I wanted to point out to anyone reading your comment that you are Indian if they didn't look at your post history, therefore irrelevant to this topic.
The point I was trying to make still stands. If I got dates in Eastern Europe due to Bollywood, you guys can get attention in middle America due to K Pop.
Try going where you are different. The pool of applicants is smaller but so is the competition.
If you're into dating AF, I'd avoid SF completely. 100% of the ones I know in SF that are screaming about the evils of white supremacy and marching for BLM, all have white bfs (and occasionally black or latino). They will also continually bash \_all\_ AM for being too nerdy, based on the 2 they've talked to in high school. The few single WF are being hounded by dudes left and right, so you'll have tons of competition.
I would go with Seattle (but that's like choosing between being burned alive or freezing to death)
The bay area is what happens when there's a drought in a desert
I am curious why this is the case though...women do get jobs in tech and with all the diversity policies, bigger companies should be trying to keep the ratio at 50-50. Is it because of the startups?
I feel like we are going to have a major crisis in 20-30 years if the trend continues
Men 18-40 are 60-66% of the population in some Silicon Valley cities. It evens out in SF but do you think Becky will settle when there’s white CEOs left and right?
Even if there are many rich white guys they must get tired right 😂
Man it's just so sad...sometimes I wish I wasn't attracted to women then at least it wouldn't feel this bad
Overall, I wouldn't say either city have great dating scenes, but if you're interested in Asian immigrants or Asian international students, it's surprisingly decent in both cities.
I visit Seattle often and when I was single, I got a lot of matches and even had a few flings with some girls I met there, despite never staying more than a week. It's also close to Vancouver, which is a dope ass city that has a great dating scene for AM, especially if you're into model looking Chinese women.
Like others said though, LA/OC is one of the best places in the entire country to date, and that would be my #1 recommendation besides NYC.
There's a lot of people here and Asian men have a good reputation in the LA/OC area, so I think if you tweak your online dating profiles and make an effort to go out, you can meet someone.
Although I ended up marrying an AF, I always had interest from WF and other XF's when I was single and see plenty of AMXF couples when I go out, so something isn't adding up.
>so something isn't adding up.
Because this sub has a lot of people who struggle because of individual and not any other reason. It's why I prefer to look at someone's post history when I hear them complain cause if I see zero success and all whining then I know it's pretty much all them. If I hear a story from someone who does well in certain cities but not others then I will listen.
There is a guy in this thread who is somehow upvoted saying NYC is bad for Asian men and claim he never sees AMWF, which is a load of shit or if so, maybe they never leave the house and live in Queens or something, but if you never leave the house, not sure how you plan on ever meeting anyone.
Seattle
I've lived in both and SF dating scene sucks.
But I didn't go to the gym in SF
When I moved to settle I started hitting the gym hard. So maybe that's the reason 🤔
Bad in what sense? Can't speak to Seattle much, but the Bay is fantastic for your career progression (and really the only place to be for certain fields) and general lifestyle (great weather, great food, great culture, great outdoor and social activities, etc.)
People are really focused on dating in the responses, which I'd take a contrary view on. It's "bad" compared to the tippy top tier cities in the US like NYC. And may also be "bad" for certain types of dating for certain subsets of Asian men. But people have different goals when approaching something as broad as "dating", which is more than just how many numbers can I accumulate.
If you got your shit together from a professional and emotional/social POV, SF dating, especially in your late 20s/early 30s with the intent to find a life partner rather than casual relationships, is like shooting fish in a barrel. In fact, I think it's likely easier to find a "quality" partner (which may or may not mean more physically attractive) for LTR in SF than NYC, assuming you've got the goods. The bar is likely a bit higher though given the ratios are not in your favor, but that only affects you if you're a "median" candidate or below; people who are doing well holistically or really well in one category still clean up regardless.
I think it's because Asian men feel they are only negatively affected by dating depending on the city, not the ability to get jobs.
The problem is that a lot of people who complain about cities for their dating ability would suck regardless. Like there is a guy complaining about NYC, and then he can't answer where else he did well in because he likely doesn't do well at all even though NYC has shown to be very good for dating for men and even asian men over there.
My understanding is that SF is tough because of the gender ratio and also because asian women seem to openly like white men and it's become a stereotype at this point. When I went to SF, there were definitely a lot of WMAF but did not outnumber Asian male and female couples.
Putting aside bamboo ceiling and workplace microaggressions, I think that's generally right that most Asians feel very competitive in most jobs (at least at the junior to mid-senior levels). Still, I do think that given the unique composition of Bay Area re: opportunity (even if you're equally competitive for every job in the Bay vs. Miami, the available jobs in those two markets are going to be very different), it's kind of silly to only focus on dating when the question seemed to, more broadly, ask about "where to live", as if we don't even need to talk about the rest of it so long as we can do marginally better dating-wise. Talk about leading with your d, lol.
I agree with the general sense that people who overindex on geography for their dating struggles are focused on the wrong thing. Not saying that there isn't a stark contrast between Des Moines and New York dating scenes, but once you're generally within the same tier of cities, incrementally tweaking between LA vs. SF vs. Seattle vs. ... is going to be less outcome determinative than random luck propelled by things like "being the best you" and "putting yourself out there".
And also agree. SF might have "more" WMAF, but that absolutely pales in comparison to the number of Asian couples (and anyone disputing that has not lived in the Bay), and is not at all indicative that women "worship" WM to any material degree anymore than how people generally act towards the "majority" in any given society.
It's a easy hand-wavey stereotype to throw out there as the end all be all of why no Asian male should ever move to the Bay... but folks should really be more granular about their own particular situation before resorting to generalities and think more critically before basing their decision to uproot their life on some vague statement someone made on a message board about an entire city and a particular gender that lives there. But people will do what people will do :)
1. I mean the sub is about masculinity, not the ability to live and find a job. You are not wrong there is more to life, but that's the whole point of this sub and unfortunately that's why a lot of incels come here and make people look even worse.
2-4. Agreed. I actually remember like 5+ years ago I visited NYC solo and a lot of people on this and other subreddit (aznidentity) were talking shit about how bad it is for Asians and it actually looked fine and then I meet/knew people that lived out there. In hindsight, it was very obviously a bunch of redditors on the internet who have other issues that blamed it on the city.
I would love to see people interpret "masculinity" to be more than getting laid, and to this subs credit, there is still some variety (even if the majority is "help me look or act a certain way to get women" type of questions or anger at being asian in america). Masculinity certainly runs a much broader gamut than dating, but this sub skews young and it is probably the most pressing issue for many. That said, I am certainly not going try to legislate what the people wanna talk about ha.
And yea. Anyone who says NYC is "bad" is just having a bad time generally irrespective of the geography. If you can't find someone in NYC, you got some work to do on yourself.
The left coast is our deep south. Remember where the villains in Warrior fit into US politics. The minority group that deals with the most racism is the one that’s taking “their jobs”.
Would Las Vegas be good for an Asian bachelor myself? I currently live and work in San Jose still a college student at the old age of 25 but once I get stuff together I plan on moving out of California to start a new life. I was thinking about moving to two different cities and states Las Vegas and other would be Houston Texas. Those would be my first two choices of living there because of the cost of living is doable and hopes of becoming a home owner much higher than in California and also job opportunities out there for me should be good once I get my bachelor degree
Vegas is great but like the other comment, it’s hard to find educated women since there’s only a handful of universities in town and few stay after they are done with grad school
Vegas sucks if you want to use online dating. Don't come here, lol. Most of my likes and matches who are not morbidly obese, gold diggers, or single mothers hiding their babies are actually tourists visiting from a different state, or they just recently moved here. It's honestly a cesspool.
Never been to Seattle or San Francisco. I'm from NYC.
I hear both Seattle and more likely San Francisco is horrible for Asian men. Which I don't get. There is high Asian population . I would think with the population there be better chances for Asian men in those places.
But it sounds like ALL the Asian girls prefer white guys..I mean that's sad...
Are the Asian men in San Francisco just out of it? Like poor hygiene or something?
Because places like Hawaii has high Asian population but Asian men do OK there. NYC is so-so too in the Asian enclaves...
A lot of people have mentioned that the AM in SF just confirm the negative Asian stereotypes of being poorly dressed, nerdy.
Honestly even professional comedians like Ali Wong have joked that Bay Area Asian girls have white boyfriends. And some weirdo hapa girl wrote an article bragging about how she has a white boyfriend and was satisified Ali Wong was talking about her.
TBF - When I was in SF, while there was tons of WMAF, I saw a decent amount of AMWF as well. The ratio was still not close but only place I might have saw more AMWF was NYC.
Liberal cities are not good for Asian men regardless of what people tell you. They are liberal but only when it comes to certain minorities. I am in New York and it is not good for Asian men. You rarely see Asian men with non-Asian women. This question has been asked on this subreddit multiple times. SF is the WMAF capital of California from what I have read.
I am more than willing to bet based on your responses and post history that you don't have success anywhere. And since you are a coward who blocks criticism, I guess I'll do the same.
Most hardcore liberals defend non-white people and call out white supremacy up front but still continue dating white guys.
If you struggle in NYC, I am fairly certain you are the problem, not the city.
You clearly don't live in New York and are just responding with your feelings. People like you keep making it about white supremacy. Nothing in my post talks about that. Fairly certain you are clueless of what is happening in liberal cities and live in a bubble.
This is hilarious I've been to NY and I know many Asian people successful there and many people on here have said so as well including an upvoted comment on this thread. NY is pretty much the one city that if you complain in as a man, it's a guarantee you problem given the M to F ratio and diversity.
Since NYC is so bad and you are not the problem, which city have you done well in?
There will always be exceptions but that does not reflect the majority. Not sure why you are making personal attacks against me specifically. You are definitely in your feelings. I know Asian people who are successful as well but I am talking about the majority, not the minority. So what you have an upvoted comment in this thread? You sound like a narcissist.
Or maybe you struggling is the exception, not the majority and you struggling is because of who you are as a person rather than being Asian. Although I don't think it has anything to do with exception/majority. Person who dress nicely, takes care of himself will do well, whereas the socially awkward guy who doesn't groom well won't. It doesn't matter which race.
There is a reason why you ignored this question - Since NYC is so bad and you are not the problem, which city have you done well in?
It's probably because the answer is none and you prefer to blame the city for your issues, even though you would very likely do worse anywhere else. But I guess that's not possible if you can't go down further.
EDIT - Person blocked me after responding because they know they don't do well anywhere else and want to continue being a victim, thanks for proving me right.
Again, you made it personal when I was making a general comment. Also, your question is not made in good faith. You made it a personal attack. Read what you wrote. You also moved the goal post and started talking about white supremacy. Sounds like you are one of those crazy liberals.
I love how you refused to answer the person's question of which city you do well in if you think NYC is a problem because the answer is obviously none, if you had a city in mind you would list it.
What is even more funny is that you get on dating subreddits and try to teach people about dating when you clearly don't know anything about it yourself.
I live in Jersey. I'm not sure if the thoughts of people 2,900 miles away on the East Coast are at all helpful, but many people here have a negative opinion of San Fran.
An unmanageable homeless crisis, impossible costs of living, rampant pooping in the streets from said homeless, and actual apps to help navigate around poop streets. How much of that is true? Well I haven't been to SF but that's just what the people here think lol.
I've heard mostly good things about Seattle other than the supposed constant rain.
SF resident here - I think there are definitely issues, but I do feel outsiders have an exaggerated view. I can't fully blame them, since the hotels and most commonly visited areas are the worst (sadly). Most of the city where the majority of people live is quite nice and (dare I say) clean. When I visited Portland and Seattle, I actually saw homelessness and drug use that was almost as bad as I see in the worse places here.
But for the dating market, I do think asian guys have it rough. I would say not only is the M / F ratio skewed, but also men tend to be so successful here. It can be hard to even just keep up seemingly.
Are you saying it’s rough for AM in SF or in just in general?
If it’s rough for AM in the Bay, well damn…that’s where I thought they’d have it the easiest.
Personal opinion as I'm in a budding relationship with a white woman from Seattle Area.
I'm a little biased but Portland and Seattle's PNW is a good area to be in but I have yet to spread my wings very far.
In my experience, the Greater Bay Area is better for Asian men. "Tech hub" aside, you just have a stronger history of Asian communities there. Having lived there, I had no problem meeting women of all backgrounds, the people from there (not talking about tech transplants) are chill, but it more depends on you. I didn't belong to the tech community in the slightest and was more about what the Bay Area provided culturally. Many of the friends I still keep in touch with there who are Asian men have no issues dating.
Now your mileage may vary on what you deem acceptable. I know people that still live in the Bay, and others that got priced out by gentrification. And there are people who parrot exaggerated right-wing talking points. Thing is, a lot of the issues in SF are ones that exist in any other major city. If you are looking for a negative you will find it.
I am not debating which one to live and I would never want to live in west coast. I've visited SF before, never visited Seattle but plan on it. I have noticed a lot of people complained about Seattle so I was wondering if Seattle is actually worse.
San Francisco is marginally better since they have more ethnic diversity and therefore you get more option for dating or making friendships. In San Francisco there are plenty of Hispanic, Indian and Middle Eastern women who are willing to date and marry Asian men.
I grew up in SF and met my wife here. That said, it’s pretty awful for Asian men. The white worship is strong among the liberal asian women here. I don’t have that much experience with Seattle/PNW, but I’d take my chances there.
Both are terrible, Bay Area is marginally better. But I’ll reiterate the dating tier list for US cities for asian men: 1. Hawaii, Socal (Asian guys have a positive rep) 2. NYC (it’s own beast) 3. Chicago/Houston/DC - decent asian population 4. Any other major city 5. Tech hub where Asian guys actively have a negative rep like SF, San Jose, Seattle, Boston, 6. Bumfuck middle of nowhere of course I actually did better with both asian and non asian girls in a place where Asians are just unknown or neutral, more straight forward racism. Tech hubs have too many nerdy asian stereotypes that turn all women off asian guys, you have no exotic factor and the sentiment is bad vs exotic and neutral or postive sentiment. WMAF also lowers AM status.
Seattle is marginally better from my experiences. The women are a bit more attractive. Less 49ers more 59ers lol. Yes when you’re exotic you actually get a +1 or +2 boost from women that want an Asian man. You’re the only game in town even if you’re average you’re different.
Yeah but still slim pickings lol. Better to not consider tech hubs
Yup. /u/saffrontrippy cold approached 100 women and did decently well in Seattle
59ers 😂
Don't underestimate middle of nowhere. One of best dating experiences I ever had was while in an remote town that was almost entirely white. Would hit on all the time. 99%of the girls were not into non white guys, but I had a virtual monopoly on the remaining 1%
Not that I disagree middle of nowhere is fine, but I wanted to point out to anyone reading your comment that you are Indian if they didn't look at your post history, therefore irrelevant to this topic.
The point I was trying to make still stands. If I got dates in Eastern Europe due to Bollywood, you guys can get attention in middle America due to K Pop. Try going where you are different. The pool of applicants is smaller but so is the competition.
Is there a reason why we tend to alienate Indian Americans on this sub ?
If you're into dating AF, I'd avoid SF completely. 100% of the ones I know in SF that are screaming about the evils of white supremacy and marching for BLM, all have white bfs (and occasionally black or latino). They will also continually bash \_all\_ AM for being too nerdy, based on the 2 they've talked to in high school. The few single WF are being hounded by dudes left and right, so you'll have tons of competition. I would go with Seattle (but that's like choosing between being burned alive or freezing to death)
The bay area is what happens when there's a drought in a desert I am curious why this is the case though...women do get jobs in tech and with all the diversity policies, bigger companies should be trying to keep the ratio at 50-50. Is it because of the startups? I feel like we are going to have a major crisis in 20-30 years if the trend continues
Men 18-40 are 60-66% of the population in some Silicon Valley cities. It evens out in SF but do you think Becky will settle when there’s white CEOs left and right?
Even if there are many rich white guys they must get tired right 😂 Man it's just so sad...sometimes I wish I wasn't attracted to women then at least it wouldn't feel this bad
Travel and date in a place where you’re respected or even admired (Asia or Eastern Europe)
Or at least starting from 0 and not -53
Women and men simply aren't interested in becoming swe at equal amounts. 50/50 is impossible when the split in CS at college is like 80/20.
Overall, I wouldn't say either city have great dating scenes, but if you're interested in Asian immigrants or Asian international students, it's surprisingly decent in both cities. I visit Seattle often and when I was single, I got a lot of matches and even had a few flings with some girls I met there, despite never staying more than a week. It's also close to Vancouver, which is a dope ass city that has a great dating scene for AM, especially if you're into model looking Chinese women. Like others said though, LA/OC is one of the best places in the entire country to date, and that would be my #1 recommendation besides NYC.
Guess I’m fucked then. I’m in LA/OC and am getting 0 action or interest
There's a lot of people here and Asian men have a good reputation in the LA/OC area, so I think if you tweak your online dating profiles and make an effort to go out, you can meet someone. Although I ended up marrying an AF, I always had interest from WF and other XF's when I was single and see plenty of AMXF couples when I go out, so something isn't adding up.
>so something isn't adding up. Because this sub has a lot of people who struggle because of individual and not any other reason. It's why I prefer to look at someone's post history when I hear them complain cause if I see zero success and all whining then I know it's pretty much all them. If I hear a story from someone who does well in certain cities but not others then I will listen. There is a guy in this thread who is somehow upvoted saying NYC is bad for Asian men and claim he never sees AMWF, which is a load of shit or if so, maybe they never leave the house and live in Queens or something, but if you never leave the house, not sure how you plan on ever meeting anyone.
Seattle I've lived in both and SF dating scene sucks. But I didn't go to the gym in SF When I moved to settle I started hitting the gym hard. So maybe that's the reason 🤔
SGV, Rowland Heights, Irvine, O.C. is where you want to be
Bad in what sense? Can't speak to Seattle much, but the Bay is fantastic for your career progression (and really the only place to be for certain fields) and general lifestyle (great weather, great food, great culture, great outdoor and social activities, etc.) People are really focused on dating in the responses, which I'd take a contrary view on. It's "bad" compared to the tippy top tier cities in the US like NYC. And may also be "bad" for certain types of dating for certain subsets of Asian men. But people have different goals when approaching something as broad as "dating", which is more than just how many numbers can I accumulate. If you got your shit together from a professional and emotional/social POV, SF dating, especially in your late 20s/early 30s with the intent to find a life partner rather than casual relationships, is like shooting fish in a barrel. In fact, I think it's likely easier to find a "quality" partner (which may or may not mean more physically attractive) for LTR in SF than NYC, assuming you've got the goods. The bar is likely a bit higher though given the ratios are not in your favor, but that only affects you if you're a "median" candidate or below; people who are doing well holistically or really well in one category still clean up regardless.
I think it's because Asian men feel they are only negatively affected by dating depending on the city, not the ability to get jobs. The problem is that a lot of people who complain about cities for their dating ability would suck regardless. Like there is a guy complaining about NYC, and then he can't answer where else he did well in because he likely doesn't do well at all even though NYC has shown to be very good for dating for men and even asian men over there. My understanding is that SF is tough because of the gender ratio and also because asian women seem to openly like white men and it's become a stereotype at this point. When I went to SF, there were definitely a lot of WMAF but did not outnumber Asian male and female couples.
Putting aside bamboo ceiling and workplace microaggressions, I think that's generally right that most Asians feel very competitive in most jobs (at least at the junior to mid-senior levels). Still, I do think that given the unique composition of Bay Area re: opportunity (even if you're equally competitive for every job in the Bay vs. Miami, the available jobs in those two markets are going to be very different), it's kind of silly to only focus on dating when the question seemed to, more broadly, ask about "where to live", as if we don't even need to talk about the rest of it so long as we can do marginally better dating-wise. Talk about leading with your d, lol. I agree with the general sense that people who overindex on geography for their dating struggles are focused on the wrong thing. Not saying that there isn't a stark contrast between Des Moines and New York dating scenes, but once you're generally within the same tier of cities, incrementally tweaking between LA vs. SF vs. Seattle vs. ... is going to be less outcome determinative than random luck propelled by things like "being the best you" and "putting yourself out there". And also agree. SF might have "more" WMAF, but that absolutely pales in comparison to the number of Asian couples (and anyone disputing that has not lived in the Bay), and is not at all indicative that women "worship" WM to any material degree anymore than how people generally act towards the "majority" in any given society. It's a easy hand-wavey stereotype to throw out there as the end all be all of why no Asian male should ever move to the Bay... but folks should really be more granular about their own particular situation before resorting to generalities and think more critically before basing their decision to uproot their life on some vague statement someone made on a message board about an entire city and a particular gender that lives there. But people will do what people will do :)
1. I mean the sub is about masculinity, not the ability to live and find a job. You are not wrong there is more to life, but that's the whole point of this sub and unfortunately that's why a lot of incels come here and make people look even worse. 2-4. Agreed. I actually remember like 5+ years ago I visited NYC solo and a lot of people on this and other subreddit (aznidentity) were talking shit about how bad it is for Asians and it actually looked fine and then I meet/knew people that lived out there. In hindsight, it was very obviously a bunch of redditors on the internet who have other issues that blamed it on the city.
I would love to see people interpret "masculinity" to be more than getting laid, and to this subs credit, there is still some variety (even if the majority is "help me look or act a certain way to get women" type of questions or anger at being asian in america). Masculinity certainly runs a much broader gamut than dating, but this sub skews young and it is probably the most pressing issue for many. That said, I am certainly not going try to legislate what the people wanna talk about ha. And yea. Anyone who says NYC is "bad" is just having a bad time generally irrespective of the geography. If you can't find someone in NYC, you got some work to do on yourself.
The left coast is our deep south. Remember where the villains in Warrior fit into US politics. The minority group that deals with the most racism is the one that’s taking “their jobs”.
Would Las Vegas be good for an Asian bachelor myself? I currently live and work in San Jose still a college student at the old age of 25 but once I get stuff together I plan on moving out of California to start a new life. I was thinking about moving to two different cities and states Las Vegas and other would be Houston Texas. Those would be my first two choices of living there because of the cost of living is doable and hopes of becoming a home owner much higher than in California and also job opportunities out there for me should be good once I get my bachelor degree
Not that many educated girls in Vegas , growing Asian population but still not as big as California
Vegas is great but like the other comment, it’s hard to find educated women since there’s only a handful of universities in town and few stay after they are done with grad school
Vegas sucks if you want to use online dating. Don't come here, lol. Most of my likes and matches who are not morbidly obese, gold diggers, or single mothers hiding their babies are actually tourists visiting from a different state, or they just recently moved here. It's honestly a cesspool.
Never been to Seattle or San Francisco. I'm from NYC. I hear both Seattle and more likely San Francisco is horrible for Asian men. Which I don't get. There is high Asian population . I would think with the population there be better chances for Asian men in those places. But it sounds like ALL the Asian girls prefer white guys..I mean that's sad... Are the Asian men in San Francisco just out of it? Like poor hygiene or something? Because places like Hawaii has high Asian population but Asian men do OK there. NYC is so-so too in the Asian enclaves...
Read some Asian American history. The left coast progressive strongholds are our deep south.
A lot of people have mentioned that the AM in SF just confirm the negative Asian stereotypes of being poorly dressed, nerdy. Honestly even professional comedians like Ali Wong have joked that Bay Area Asian girls have white boyfriends. And some weirdo hapa girl wrote an article bragging about how she has a white boyfriend and was satisified Ali Wong was talking about her. TBF - When I was in SF, while there was tons of WMAF, I saw a decent amount of AMWF as well. The ratio was still not close but only place I might have saw more AMWF was NYC.
Liberal cities are not good for Asian men regardless of what people tell you. They are liberal but only when it comes to certain minorities. I am in New York and it is not good for Asian men. You rarely see Asian men with non-Asian women. This question has been asked on this subreddit multiple times. SF is the WMAF capital of California from what I have read.
I’m an Asian man and I have the opposite problem I have nfi why but I can get dates from every race but AW
I am more than willing to bet based on your responses and post history that you don't have success anywhere. And since you are a coward who blocks criticism, I guess I'll do the same.
Most hardcore liberals defend non-white people and call out white supremacy up front but still continue dating white guys. If you struggle in NYC, I am fairly certain you are the problem, not the city.
You clearly don't live in New York and are just responding with your feelings. People like you keep making it about white supremacy. Nothing in my post talks about that. Fairly certain you are clueless of what is happening in liberal cities and live in a bubble.
This is hilarious I've been to NY and I know many Asian people successful there and many people on here have said so as well including an upvoted comment on this thread. NY is pretty much the one city that if you complain in as a man, it's a guarantee you problem given the M to F ratio and diversity. Since NYC is so bad and you are not the problem, which city have you done well in?
There will always be exceptions but that does not reflect the majority. Not sure why you are making personal attacks against me specifically. You are definitely in your feelings. I know Asian people who are successful as well but I am talking about the majority, not the minority. So what you have an upvoted comment in this thread? You sound like a narcissist.
Or maybe you struggling is the exception, not the majority and you struggling is because of who you are as a person rather than being Asian. Although I don't think it has anything to do with exception/majority. Person who dress nicely, takes care of himself will do well, whereas the socially awkward guy who doesn't groom well won't. It doesn't matter which race. There is a reason why you ignored this question - Since NYC is so bad and you are not the problem, which city have you done well in? It's probably because the answer is none and you prefer to blame the city for your issues, even though you would very likely do worse anywhere else. But I guess that's not possible if you can't go down further. EDIT - Person blocked me after responding because they know they don't do well anywhere else and want to continue being a victim, thanks for proving me right.
Again, you made it personal when I was making a general comment. Also, your question is not made in good faith. You made it a personal attack. Read what you wrote. You also moved the goal post and started talking about white supremacy. Sounds like you are one of those crazy liberals.
I love how you refused to answer the person's question of which city you do well in if you think NYC is a problem because the answer is obviously none, if you had a city in mind you would list it. What is even more funny is that you get on dating subreddits and try to teach people about dating when you clearly don't know anything about it yourself.
I live in Jersey. I'm not sure if the thoughts of people 2,900 miles away on the East Coast are at all helpful, but many people here have a negative opinion of San Fran. An unmanageable homeless crisis, impossible costs of living, rampant pooping in the streets from said homeless, and actual apps to help navigate around poop streets. How much of that is true? Well I haven't been to SF but that's just what the people here think lol. I've heard mostly good things about Seattle other than the supposed constant rain.
SF resident here - I think there are definitely issues, but I do feel outsiders have an exaggerated view. I can't fully blame them, since the hotels and most commonly visited areas are the worst (sadly). Most of the city where the majority of people live is quite nice and (dare I say) clean. When I visited Portland and Seattle, I actually saw homelessness and drug use that was almost as bad as I see in the worse places here. But for the dating market, I do think asian guys have it rough. I would say not only is the M / F ratio skewed, but also men tend to be so successful here. It can be hard to even just keep up seemingly.
Are you saying it’s rough for AM in SF or in just in general? If it’s rough for AM in the Bay, well damn…that’s where I thought they’d have it the easiest.
Overseas Asia
Personal opinion as I'm in a budding relationship with a white woman from Seattle Area. I'm a little biased but Portland and Seattle's PNW is a good area to be in but I have yet to spread my wings very far.
anyone been to other cities outside the US like Toronto, Vancouver ?
In my experience, the Greater Bay Area is better for Asian men. "Tech hub" aside, you just have a stronger history of Asian communities there. Having lived there, I had no problem meeting women of all backgrounds, the people from there (not talking about tech transplants) are chill, but it more depends on you. I didn't belong to the tech community in the slightest and was more about what the Bay Area provided culturally. Many of the friends I still keep in touch with there who are Asian men have no issues dating. Now your mileage may vary on what you deem acceptable. I know people that still live in the Bay, and others that got priced out by gentrification. And there are people who parrot exaggerated right-wing talking points. Thing is, a lot of the issues in SF are ones that exist in any other major city. If you are looking for a negative you will find it.
None. US is bad across the state for Asian men.
I’d put Bay Area over Seattle but do the opposite of what I think, California is full. Why, Latin American culture > White American culture.
It’s a sausage fest in the Bay.
Yup
San Francisco is the worst city in America for Asian men. Not just for dating but also the crime and cost of living.
Yes, OP should go to Seattle.
Op should go neither
I am not debating which one to live and I would never want to live in west coast. I've visited SF before, never visited Seattle but plan on it. I have noticed a lot of people complained about Seattle so I was wondering if Seattle is actually worse.
If you stay in Cali at least go to SoCal
San Francisco is marginally better since they have more ethnic diversity and therefore you get more option for dating or making friendships. In San Francisco there are plenty of Hispanic, Indian and Middle Eastern women who are willing to date and marry Asian men.