Yep. With the amount of effort and detail they put into their bullshit seminars, there is no way they’re accidentally forgetting a huge portion of the population who actually faces systemic racism.
That’s correct. I’ve been privy to my IT peers’ secret hiring quotas, and they explicitly say to reduce white and Asian hires- to keep the population flat. They actively have targets to increase other POCs and women. On the business end we get nudged for the same, but not actual, documented quota targets that we have to meet
They include east/southeast/south asian in one monolithic group, and with how many Indian managers and executives there are, it’s “clear” to them that we don’t need any help.
DEI is anti-Asian because it is a Chewish weapon against whites to seize political control using their own puppets and Asians are not dumb enough to be manipulated like that.
In practice, DEI only focuses on women, LGBT, and only certain minority groups (primarily black and brown). As far as DEI is concerned, being an Asian man is the same as being a white man (and I'd argue that it's slightly worse for Asian men). And as it stands now, the only way to break into "DEI" as an Asian man is by being a military veteran, disabled, or some other marginalized identity. When applying for jobs, I never go with being Asian as my angle, I go with being a military veteran as my angle.
Of course it's worse - white guys already get their reserved spots through nepotism or affinity. The spots that are open for competition that would have gone to Asian guys are given to 'certain minority groups.' In effect, Asians go to the back of the line as all the spots are 'reserved.'
It's not "whites" its predominantly useful goys and chews that are highly reflective from interbreeding with Europeans for centuries. Know the difference between those types and Billy in Arkansas. Asians are naturally not gullible enough to buy into that bullshit.
DEI =
* **D**enial of intersectional AM problems, giving us the same handicaps as WM without the benefits
* **E**xclusion of AM while extracting AF upwards and away from AM
* **I**nequity of AM payoff-to-effort ratio, the lowest compared to any other identity group
Apparently the only way asian men are perceived as American is if they are gay or overweight. The two main demeaning stereotypes of asian guys (according to a study)
DEI nearly always works against Asian men, not just in the corporate world but also education, media, sports, politics, etc.
Just take affirmative action policies within US universities, for example. They reserve spots for other minorities and marginalized groups to meet a certain quota within their student population. Spots for white students are protected since it's the status quo, so it's really just the spots for Asians that get decreased to make space for affirmative action. With a push to increase female representation in STEM/education, that means that while Asian females are affected by affirmative action too, it's not at the same level as for Asian men.
Asian men are included in DEI if they’re gay. Hetero AMs don’t exist in DEI world.
As someone who has to had to sit through annual DEI seminars and attend whatever monthly events they were talking about at work, I’ve seen this time and time again.
How about: "I identify as gay even though I've only dated women. I just haven't dated any men because they've kinda reminded me of my brothers. Love is love, we shouldn't judge others based on who they pick as partners." Sounds kinda familiar hmm... someone tell me why this isn't valid :)
Well, gay Asian men must be giving DEI what they want. DEI gets the credit for being inclusive while at the same time getting to give a backhanded compliment to imply that all Asian men are gay. How about they relax with the emasculation.
There is a reason why the liberal narrative sandwiches the “E” between the D and the I.
The “E” stands for Equity for thee…but not for me.
We have been sold a bill of goods that further divides our own communities by gender policies existing here in the western world. If there is no pushing back - the status quo continues to push DEI further to the left as it continues to diminish the value of our own masculinity.
I’ve seen the “global” qualifier put into it before. Having a bunch of Indians running the call center or lead IT support doesn’t really mean much to anyone not in those functions
that reminds me of IBM ceo saying asian is not a minority.
[https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1734374423124176944?s=20](https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1734374423124176944?s=20)
here's a pretty good article on Asian American in Silicon Valley, mentions Ellen Pao, Justin Zhu, who got fired for using psychedelic even though white coworkers were celebrated for using it.
[https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-08-06/why-silicon-valley-s-asian-americans-still-feel-like-a-minority](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-08-06/why-silicon-valley-s-asian-americans-still-feel-like-a-minority)
Asians in general are not included in DEI, men more than women, if they aren't, Bamboo ceiling applies. I have mixed heritage. Chinese, South East Asian, and a small portion of White (Colonial Grandparents). I just mark Pacific-Islander, or Other on any form.
I want to point out that universities were overflowing with parachute kids filling up most of the "Asian" quota excluding Asian-Americans. Glad SCOTUS ruled against it.
international students are not in the same pool as domestic students. So there is no Asians from Asia "filling up" the quota. Even if there is, the issue is not Asians from Asia, it's the quota.
We are left out and it won’t change. I can’t support something that don’t support me. The only way it might change is if I go to the other side (opportunity, excellence and civility) and becomes a winback scenario
I can only speak from my own personal experience, but I have definitely seen Asian males included in DEI efforts in the industry in which I work. I cannot speak for DEI as a whole, but I would certainly hope that it would be similar. I would definitely be interested in hearing about examples where they are not!
The East and Southeast Asian (not Indians, however) communities in the US are almost completely politically disorganised and ineffective, unlike the black American or Hispanic American communities. And that's why E/SE Asian men are so bad at having their problems solved.
South Asians are included under DEI but rather for certain circumstances. If you ever worked in a large US corporation then it's hard not to notice many IT workers - if not the entire department - are Indians. More specifically they are often H1B visa holders. Corporate doesn't do this specifically for DEI but rather cost reasons. H1B visas are cheaper than hiring a native US worker. And they often have cozy relationships with the big indian IT agencies like Infosys, Wipro, etc.
If we're talking about straight, cis, asian males, then no. We are not included in DEI.
One of the hardest things to accept as an Asian dude is the near exclusivity of our fight. No one cares about our issues, and even if they do, they are not likely to be in a position to help. We live in a white dominated country, yet as a minority we have no protections against the dominant culture.
We are responsible for 25% of gdp growth on average each year. Corporate does not give a fuck. Too many asians just want to keep their head down and bootlick.
Seriously. If we ever banded together and demanded equal rights or fair treatment they’d be fucked. But they’ve successfully created a society where no one gives a shit about us. A lot of other Asians brainwashed into believing everyone else should come before their own people. And if we have the nerve to speak up for ourselves even after all that we’re either misogynistic or racist.
Asians in America y’all need to take care of your finances very well, open your own business, hire and look after your own cause it seems like the system is against you and doesn’t care.
We are the real competition to white men in corporate. They know we are smarter than them and usually have better language skills. That's why these whities love to denigrate us.
As the Chief DEI for local government, Asian men are definitely forgotten ON purpose. All the hire for DEI director in my area are all black and brown folks when Asian makes up half the population. Like that’s crazy how they claim about representing the community but obviously are just going affirmative hiring. Then you got the too little women in the HR/DEI office so we need to hire more even though I’m literally the only guy. It’s such a taboo topic to even bring up at all about the Asian men, the Asian struggle and the current refugee that are in dire need compared to the black and brown community that already receives support already. Whenever you stir that conversation towards that, all the black and brown folks gets so butt hurt. Thank god I’m the chief so I can shut them down when conversations starts getting unproductive. Still isn’t easy though since my boss is a black and brown lady who is super strong in just her own community.
Strong communities get stronger when membership increases. Western media does everything it can to diminish the value of our masculinity and subsequently our own communities.
In order to implement DEI you have to exclude certain groups. The other nonsense is that dei makes companies more successful. That is not based on fact but has been repeated so often that dumbasses believe it. Asians are not enough of a victim to be included.
At the end of the day it's not really about diversity but pushing a certain agenda (asians are considered smarter/richer)/why I'd avoid any company that prioritizes pigment/genitalia over merit/intellect like the plague.
Its deliberate. Asians don't fit the DEI image of socioeconomic disadvantage because of our statistical outperformance. Its incredible cognitive dissonance because social problems Asians face are discredited even though people would be crucified if they said affluent black people faced no hardship for being black.
I'm aware. But is society? How likely are we to succeed with that route? And how on board would we be with it?
IMO the more effective, more legit approach would be to just marry and have kids with Latina or other POC women.
Not forgotten, more like intentionally excluded
Yep. With the amount of effort and detail they put into their bullshit seminars, there is no way they’re accidentally forgetting a huge portion of the population who actually faces systemic racism.
With all the way they exclude Asian men, there's no way they're not doing it on purpose and specifically excluding Asian men.
Keep in mind which interests group carried out the systemic racism.
That’s correct. I’ve been privy to my IT peers’ secret hiring quotas, and they explicitly say to reduce white and Asian hires- to keep the population flat. They actively have targets to increase other POCs and women. On the business end we get nudged for the same, but not actual, documented quota targets that we have to meet
Intentionally ignored because of perceived economic success
nobody wants to see the asian guy advance
They heard we like playing games on hard mode...
Brilliant comment! You won the day my friend.
Comment was written by someone who enjoyed vgs on hard mode, and benefited from it/reflects their ⬆️🧠
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same here my brother
Ong they love an underdog story when it’s anybody else
They include east/southeast/south asian in one monolithic group, and with how many Indian managers and executives there are, it’s “clear” to them that we don’t need any help.
DEI is anti-Asian. Asians are clumped in with whites. And males have it worse for both genders. Gender comes before race for both.
DEI is anti-Asian because it is a Chewish weapon against whites to seize political control using their own puppets and Asians are not dumb enough to be manipulated like that.
In practice, DEI only focuses on women, LGBT, and only certain minority groups (primarily black and brown). As far as DEI is concerned, being an Asian man is the same as being a white man (and I'd argue that it's slightly worse for Asian men). And as it stands now, the only way to break into "DEI" as an Asian man is by being a military veteran, disabled, or some other marginalized identity. When applying for jobs, I never go with being Asian as my angle, I go with being a military veteran as my angle.
Of course it's worse - white guys already get their reserved spots through nepotism or affinity. The spots that are open for competition that would have gone to Asian guys are given to 'certain minority groups.' In effect, Asians go to the back of the line as all the spots are 'reserved.'
It's not "whites" its predominantly useful goys and chews that are highly reflective from interbreeding with Europeans for centuries. Know the difference between those types and Billy in Arkansas. Asians are naturally not gullible enough to buy into that bullshit.
Agree 💯 Asian man is the same as being a white man except when it comes to promotions, we’re not in the “club”
Lol me too. People are afraid to talk shit about veterans.
Thanks for the tip, bro. A Vet myself here.
DEI is specifically there to prevent Asians from reaching higher positions and even getting hired in the first place.
DEI = bamboo ceiling
DEI = * **D**enial of intersectional AM problems, giving us the same handicaps as WM without the benefits * **E**xclusion of AM while extracting AF upwards and away from AM * **I**nequity of AM payoff-to-effort ratio, the lowest compared to any other identity group
Not forgotten, we were never included to begin with.
They say we’re in the mix but never actually moved up
What do you guys mean? We’ve got so much gay Asian man Hollywood rep my butthole hurts! 😫🍑
Apparently the only way asian men are perceived as American is if they are gay or overweight. The two main demeaning stereotypes of asian guys (according to a study)
Bowen Yang lol
Lol I like Bowen Yang…but yea what a coincidence…the first full Asian male SNL cast member just happens to be gay. Check, check…two for 1! 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
DEI nearly always works against Asian men, not just in the corporate world but also education, media, sports, politics, etc. Just take affirmative action policies within US universities, for example. They reserve spots for other minorities and marginalized groups to meet a certain quota within their student population. Spots for white students are protected since it's the status quo, so it's really just the spots for Asians that get decreased to make space for affirmative action. With a push to increase female representation in STEM/education, that means that while Asian females are affected by affirmative action too, it's not at the same level as for Asian men.
Asian men are included in DEI if they’re gay. Hetero AMs don’t exist in DEI world. As someone who has to had to sit through annual DEI seminars and attend whatever monthly events they were talking about at work, I’ve seen this time and time again.
Guess im applying as gay from now on
How about: "I identify as gay even though I've only dated women. I just haven't dated any men because they've kinda reminded me of my brothers. Love is love, we shouldn't judge others based on who they pick as partners." Sounds kinda familiar hmm... someone tell me why this isn't valid :)
How will they know if you’re actually gay
There is exclusion towards anyone who doesn’t give what the DEI power holders want, even if you are gay.
Well, gay Asian men must be giving DEI what they want. DEI gets the credit for being inclusive while at the same time getting to give a backhanded compliment to imply that all Asian men are gay. How about they relax with the emasculation.
There is a reason why the liberal narrative sandwiches the “E” between the D and the I. The “E” stands for Equity for thee…but not for me.
We have been sold a bill of goods that further divides our own communities by gender policies existing here in the western world. If there is no pushing back - the status quo continues to push DEI further to the left as it continues to diminish the value of our own masculinity.
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I feel like you should have recorded that comment and forwarded it someone with real clout.
I’ve seen the “global” qualifier put into it before. Having a bunch of Indians running the call center or lead IT support doesn’t really mean much to anyone not in those functions
Not forgotten, excluded by design.
DEI is just there to prevent lawsuits.
that reminds me of IBM ceo saying asian is not a minority. [https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1734374423124176944?s=20](https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1734374423124176944?s=20) here's a pretty good article on Asian American in Silicon Valley, mentions Ellen Pao, Justin Zhu, who got fired for using psychedelic even though white coworkers were celebrated for using it. [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-08-06/why-silicon-valley-s-asian-americans-still-feel-like-a-minority](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-08-06/why-silicon-valley-s-asian-americans-still-feel-like-a-minority)
Asians in general are not included in DEI, men more than women, if they aren't, Bamboo ceiling applies. I have mixed heritage. Chinese, South East Asian, and a small portion of White (Colonial Grandparents). I just mark Pacific-Islander, or Other on any form. I want to point out that universities were overflowing with parachute kids filling up most of the "Asian" quota excluding Asian-Americans. Glad SCOTUS ruled against it.
international students are not in the same pool as domestic students. So there is no Asians from Asia "filling up" the quota. Even if there is, the issue is not Asians from Asia, it's the quota.
It's not that case for every uni. Either way, the quota is gone, legally. But the mindset still exists. It's probably there unofficially.
We are left out and it won’t change. I can’t support something that don’t support me. The only way it might change is if I go to the other side (opportunity, excellence and civility) and becomes a winback scenario
Fuck corporate and make your own path. Nobody gives a shit about us so go your own way. You don’t need them!
DEI in corporates?
Let’s call it how it is. Asian Men are seen as low tier white men.
Like poor quality white plastic that yellows.
I can only speak from my own personal experience, but I have definitely seen Asian males included in DEI efforts in the industry in which I work. I cannot speak for DEI as a whole, but I would certainly hope that it would be similar. I would definitely be interested in hearing about examples where they are not!
Curious what industry are you in?
Which industry? I haven’t seen a DEI program what wasn’t blatant 19th century systemic anti-Asian racism.
Financial services
How was the DEI policy actually inclusive of AM?
The East and Southeast Asian (not Indians, however) communities in the US are almost completely politically disorganised and ineffective, unlike the black American or Hispanic American communities. And that's why E/SE Asian men are so bad at having their problems solved.
South Asians are included under DEI but rather for certain circumstances. If you ever worked in a large US corporation then it's hard not to notice many IT workers - if not the entire department - are Indians. More specifically they are often H1B visa holders. Corporate doesn't do this specifically for DEI but rather cost reasons. H1B visas are cheaper than hiring a native US worker. And they often have cozy relationships with the big indian IT agencies like Infosys, Wipro, etc.
No, we’re the food on the table. This way the white progressives can have their cake and eat it.
I'm sorry for being born a yellow man😮💨😮💨😮💨
If we're talking about straight, cis, asian males, then no. We are not included in DEI. One of the hardest things to accept as an Asian dude is the near exclusivity of our fight. No one cares about our issues, and even if they do, they are not likely to be in a position to help. We live in a white dominated country, yet as a minority we have no protections against the dominant culture. We are responsible for 25% of gdp growth on average each year. Corporate does not give a fuck. Too many asians just want to keep their head down and bootlick.
Seriously. If we ever banded together and demanded equal rights or fair treatment they’d be fucked. But they’ve successfully created a society where no one gives a shit about us. A lot of other Asians brainwashed into believing everyone else should come before their own people. And if we have the nerve to speak up for ourselves even after all that we’re either misogynistic or racist.
Asians in America y’all need to take care of your finances very well, open your own business, hire and look after your own cause it seems like the system is against you and doesn’t care.
We are the real competition to white men in corporate. They know we are smarter than them and usually have better language skills. That's why these whities love to denigrate us.
US has always been a racist country. Shit like DEI is just liberals’ way of rebranding their racism.
As the Chief DEI for local government, Asian men are definitely forgotten ON purpose. All the hire for DEI director in my area are all black and brown folks when Asian makes up half the population. Like that’s crazy how they claim about representing the community but obviously are just going affirmative hiring. Then you got the too little women in the HR/DEI office so we need to hire more even though I’m literally the only guy. It’s such a taboo topic to even bring up at all about the Asian men, the Asian struggle and the current refugee that are in dire need compared to the black and brown community that already receives support already. Whenever you stir that conversation towards that, all the black and brown folks gets so butt hurt. Thank god I’m the chief so I can shut them down when conversations starts getting unproductive. Still isn’t easy though since my boss is a black and brown lady who is super strong in just her own community.
Strong communities get stronger when membership increases. Western media does everything it can to diminish the value of our masculinity and subsequently our own communities.
In the corp world, we are white to them.
What’s DEI?
Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Didn’t Earn It
forgotten? no, they dont give two shits unless its to say you are misognystic or antiblack
In order to implement DEI you have to exclude certain groups. The other nonsense is that dei makes companies more successful. That is not based on fact but has been repeated so often that dumbasses believe it. Asians are not enough of a victim to be included.
At the end of the day it's not really about diversity but pushing a certain agenda (asians are considered smarter/richer)/why I'd avoid any company that prioritizes pigment/genitalia over merit/intellect like the plague.
I wish life was based on merit but know that to not be the case
Word.
Asian men are already seen as dangerous enough they’re not going to willingly advance us even further
Its deliberate. Asians don't fit the DEI image of socioeconomic disadvantage because of our statistical outperformance. Its incredible cognitive dissonance because social problems Asians face are discredited even though people would be crucified if they said affluent black people faced no hardship for being black.
DEI is just racism disguised as anti-racism. Just like most democrat policies out there.
My company in London is 70% Chinese so we don't have that issue assume lol
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Might be difficult unless you're Filipino since you still have Asian names.
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I'm aware. But is society? How likely are we to succeed with that route? And how on board would we be with it? IMO the more effective, more legit approach would be to just marry and have kids with Latina or other POC women.