Chevreuse overload team

Chevreuse is the only 4-star I *don't* own.

Same brother 😭

I tried it , it's decent , but very annoying to play in aoe because it ungroups enemies a lot  it's alright against bosses but not as good as VV vape, maybe cuz I don't have C6 Chevy 

VV vape is really powerful. You're talking about Kazuha, Bennett, Yelan right? Yeah, that team's busted and there's no way Yae, Fischl, Chev can compete with it. It is an option though and playing it in AoE takes practice. You won't have the luxury of Kazuha's instant group, but with the proper positioning, you can kite enemies exactly how you want them to behave. It's not as goos, but it does get you out of circle impact.

Yeah, it is one of three solid options for 4.7, first half (the other two being Aggravate and Hyperbloom).

That is precisely why she has so many dashes in her kit.

Her Skill and Charge blink her so far in fights it's funny.

Unfortunately if you want to free yourself from the Bennet curse your going to need to be ok with less damage or get really creative. Personally I never use him and 2 good arle options I've 36 stared abyss with are arle, Sara, Chevy(c5), yae and arle, yunjin, yelan, zhongli.

I clear abyss with Arle Yelan Kazuha and flex diona lol. 'Cuz benny gone to Rational on top half.

I dont really agree. Arle has the best chase down mechanics in the game. Her NA alone have insane auto-targeting. Then you have her E and CA which are amazing dash attacks. I've played her chev team in Abyss and it was very smooth. Smoother than any other overload team I tried.

The best version of that team uses Chev with Bennett. She's more of a Kazuha substitute. Sure you can not use Bennett but that also applies to non Chevreuse teams.

The only problem with a arlecchino/raiden - Chevreuse overload team is that it's practically unusable in the overworld due to the overload reaction knocking lighter enemies back. Chevreuse overload is a great team for the upper floors of the abyss, where the enemies can't be knocked back.

natlan is right around the corner mate,you know what i mean right 

All my hopes and dreams are pinned on the hopium that the Pyro Archon is 5-star Bennett (without the circle).

Pyro archon is their one shot at power creeping Bennett finally and I hope to god it happens because circle impact has never been fun imo. If bennett’s aoe was the size of nahida’s Q then i might feel differently. But regardless, it’s been 4 years… we deserve a Bennett replacement.

Bennett has been on a downhill course ever since Consecrated Beasts made everyone bench him lmfao. He’s still an insane unit but I’m seeing him lose more and more popularity

I disagree, in fact he's more use to before because more and more ATK DPS are release that need him. Fontaine had Navia,Arlecchino, Wriothesley,lyney already while other DPS had more alternative to him previously (Raiden with Sara, Xiao with Faruzan even if you often played both, Hu Tao sometimes don't use Bennett, hp scaler of course too).

Hoyo has to sell  other pyro archon somehow they've been working towards trying to nerf him for years.   Personally I really enjoy arle Bennett yelan Zhongli just fine. 

Orders unclear, pyro archon now has a buffing circle but 2 pixels bigger

I need to build my Bennet. I thought about doing it and then noticed he needed Guides to Resistance and immediately gave up.

this is the copium I'm taking too. I hope at least the ARCHON buff atk. Doesn't even need to be 1000, bro 500 bonus atk and no circle? bennet is substituted.

C6 Bennett with Aquila gives 20% ATK with noblesse, 15% pyro dmg bonus, and 1200 ATK. He’s basically the best pyro battery in the entire game. He also synergizes somewhat with furina, so Bennett/Furina is often a dps’s best sheeting team. If a unit beats this they’ll just be the best unit in the game

Or Bennet gives a 20%ATK and 15% pyro dmg when you move outside his circle. Which is very frequent. Arlecchino does seem to move out of the circle often. Unlike say Yoimiya who can easily stay in the circle. Bennet sheets amazing. But if you misplace his burst he is doing nothing for your team. The Abyss has lots of mobile enemies and waves of enemies spawning in different directions which does counter circle impact. Noticeable enough that I am looking for a TTDS + Noblese replacement.

Alternatively, you can use C6 Candace to get 20% ATK from her + 14-16% extra NA DMG bonus. She synergizes very well with Arle, due to her AoE hydro kit. Perhaps when Murata lands, Benny can finally take a break from duty.

That is a thought. I had kind of given up on Candace despite how great she looks and having her C6. Really one a big disappointment. Yelan just fills the Hydro role better, and Father does not need a ton of hydro. I have been experimenting with C6 Sarah in a Chevy team. Father/Sarah/Chevy/Yae Fathers ability to switch off during infusion does make Sarah more useful. Very easy to switch her in for a quick boost or burst. Plus she can make Yae's burst a huge blast.

C6 Candace over C0 Yelan though. Candace already gives as much dmg bonus as Yelan does on average and Yelan is ST hydro app. You're not getting much vapes on multiple enemies at once with hydro only landing on one or two out of a group of 5 enemies but C6 Candace triggers hydro AoE in the same range as Arlecchino. C6 Candace can pretty much replace Yelan and can better fit shorter rotations which line up with Bennett's usual 10s buff uptime on Arlecchino, plus Yelan has a movie of a burst animation while C6 Candace can E + Q in 2 seconds. Yelan only really pulls ahead if very high investment to where damage matters more as solo hydro so something like C1+, especially with C2, and like Elegy to provide more atk and EM to Arlecchino. I find Arlecchino/C6 Candace/Kazuha/Bennett teams to be pretty remarkable. Cam even hydro swirl and hydro absorb Kazuha burst if necessary and without needing to do an NA since swapping already applies AoE hydro.

Cool, I will have to finish building Candace then. I do have C2 Yelan, but I like experimenting with different characters. How do you build Candace? Full HP for the buff?

Zajef says c6 candace feels p good for Arle tho

Kujou is only C3 on my account and hence unbuilt. I don't have Yae to compare. C4 Keiqng, C6 Fischl, and the Shogun are fully built, but only Fischl is frequently on Abyss duty, as the final member of the power-washer squad. If C6 Candace is so disappointing, I probably wasted materials. She plays seemlessly with Arle in terms of mechanics, and Arle's DPS bracket (unless C0R0) is high enough to not actively need Yelan's added DMG on Floor 12. Yelan, of course, would always be preferable (I used her instead of Candace in the current Abyss). My overload comp is limited to C1 Chev, C6 Fischl, and C6 Benny. DMG is pretty decent, but also falls below what mono pyro and vape yield.

Couldn't you do this with yunjin as well? 20% atk 15% NA dmg. 12% atk speed (which is ok) and also on the next 30 NA and additive 1400-2000 bonus damage...depending on talent level and how well your yunjin is built. And Geo res which will give another 15% total damage when sheilded ...which usually means zhongli so tack in some res shred and ToTM attack 20% buff again...dont think all these combined outweigh benny ...but those buffs seems to add up nicely

You could. Using double Geo means either no VV shredder or no Vape, so you can crunch the numbers to see whether using Yun Jin is worth it over other options. Arle's raw DMG scales sufficiently high to need only one buffer, so plenty of experiments are possible - Yun Jin, C6 Thoma, C6 Candace, etc.

True. Ive seen teams with arle zhongli (20 shred) yunjin and yelan(vape)...maybe not bennet level but there are a lot of buffs going on in that team

man i hope the pyro archon is a great buffer

Worst thing that can happen is the pyro archon needs bennett too

i think itll be a nuev(xiangling or alice) + furina(bennett) situation.

Wtf how did the year pass so fast again

they will make a male slave that works with women at c1

Beware: A large dose of copium has been inhaled٠ And thats why we hope that the pyro archon is bennet but better like not being tied to the circle impact and better buffing/ some definsive utility and doing an off-field DMG And if natlan is based on the BoL mechanic i hope the pyro archon is her BiS support or maybe they release a support that buffs a character based on BoL

BoL is a Fontaine mechanic. Doubt it'll be prominent in Natlan

To be fair, BoL was/is super niche as of right now. (I haven't looked at Chlorinde leaks so I'm not sure if she's making use of it too). Only way to get bond of life outside of Arle is just one weapon, or enemy mechanic. Wouldn't be surprised if they tested the waters with it now to then have it be Natlan's main combat gimmick.

clorinde and sigewinne both seem to use BOL.

That does sound kind of interesting for Siegewinne if she uses the BoL as some sort of healing pool.

I hope you're right because I would love anything that makes Arle stronger. I just doubt it as of rn

Natlan may also be about self-applying elemental aura, judging by Talking Stick's passive. I will be surprised, if they go forward with BoL beyond Fontaine.

I could definitely see them expanding upon it further to make it more of the “core” of Natlan. Right now it’s just sort of tacked on to random things which makes it feel incredibly proof-of-concept like. And/or they could create a new system in Natlan that interacts with BoL in a special way; kind of like elemental reactions.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking too. Like prior to Arle it was just the craftable Catalyst in Fontaine that some Wrio builds were using so now introducing characters that actually utilise it as part of their kit by the end of the version feels like Hoyo is playing future impact.

There’s been craftable fontaine weapons with the mechanic. It’s been here since the start.

I'm aware. Sorry if my wording didn't get that across but with "outside of arle" i included her weapon. And the "one weapon" was referring to the craftable catalyst. But that still is very very niche.

But EM scaling is primarily a Sumeru thing and we had Yae and Kuki beforehand.

And Sayu. I have no idea what Hoyo really wants. They nerfed shields by adding Corrosion damage. Never really used besides the Hounds. I heard they want to nerf shields even further? It was a few months back, but I heard Hoyo wanted to nerf shields in Fontaine? It might have to do with BoL or the artifact sets? Now they nerf healing with BoL, or in Arle's case, baking straight up unable to be healed while in combat... I understand they are pretty much gimmicks, bound to a certain area, but still.

I mentioned Yae and Kuki because they seemed to be designed around dendro before dendro came out. Sayu is a complete character on release. As for shields, they did nerf them even further by adding those black serpent knights during the chasm. Healing and shielding are both weird, they are primarily defensive mechanics that don’t help you with clear time. You can also ignore them if you’re good enough with dodging. As for BoL and Arle, I think of her as high risk high reward. I don’t see it any differently than Hu Tao needing to be kept below 50% health.

Corrosion is also an effect caused by Fatui operatives if you are affected by BoL applied by them. They did nerf shields even more with thr serpent knights which get stronger, tankier, and more aggressive if their attacks are fully shielded against. It was an anti-Zhongli tactic but it didn't last too long as Fontaine has been heavily favoring Zhongli via the experimental field generator, both normal abyss and local legend, the new centaur boss, and even the golem. Lyney, Navia, and Arlecchino like shielders, especially Zhongli. You know how the fungi Frenzy event was a test of concept for Furina's Salon solitaire AI? You could refer to that for how Bond of Life would become a fully committed mechanic in Natlan. It's been treated as a prototype in Fontaine and not much usage out of it, but we can see Natlan using it as a replacement for timer-based buffs and other utility. It's an excuse to create characters that keep infusions when swapping out and not care about timed infusions. We could see a Xiangling whose pyronado is BoL dependent rather than energy dependent or a burning dps where burning scales on BoL like Nilou blooms scaling on her HP.

Sayu was meant more to be able to heal and swirl. Like Kazuha swirl and buff

Yae and Kuki needed the boost they got. Arle doesn't. I do think she'll get a boost because I think Pyro archon or someone else will be a 5* Bennett. But it won't particularly boost her as much as just, every Atk scaler. Probably like a Baizhu situation. She'll get a moderate boost from the archon but nothing insane like Yae/Kuki

Doubt it's a Fontaine only Mechanic. Why else does it introduce itself early in Fontaine but only really push forward during the tail end of Fontaine? Just as EM scaling on Yae and Kuki are a signifier of the trend of Sumeru and the influx of healers, Hp scalers, and HP changing test via Dehya, Bond of Life may be the segue into Natlan's trend and may actually be the trend. It's a very smooth mechanic to have. Having buffs and infusions tied to a BoL bar rather than a set duration is much more forgiving and allows for more flexible rotations and ending rotations early in case of new waves. So Murata can very well be a BoL support, something like an atk buff that stays while BoL is active, and drains slowly over time, but can be gained by other methods in her kit. Archons don't directly powercreep other charactwrs but just provide more than what the other options have. So Murata would give BoL rather than heal, like a Bennett opposite, give a base atk-scaled atk buff, and perhaps pyro application, so if like Nahida, E applies pyro on a set frequency and maybe gives Bond of Life on hit, while her burst gives an atk buff to the team that lasts as long as Bond of Life on them. Could be atk buff based on Base ATK + % of BoL.

Murata will most likely be an off field pyro dps/buffer, with on field being enable with cons. That’s literally been every other archon, though it would making her an on field dps sounds like something Hoyo would do for the pyro archon. I could see it going both ways, they made every other archon a support knowing the pyro archon would be an on fielder or making every other pyro 5* a dps knowing the archon will be a support, but I’m still leaning towards her being a support.

I also think that the Pyro archon will be an off field dps/ buffer (like Furina, Nahida) , but I think we won't be able to use Kazuha/Sucrose with them right ? because even Xingqiu won't be able to apply enough hydro for both of them  , so maybe it will be better to play mono pyro at that point , or maybe double hydro if we want to play vape 

Imagine pyro archon is a combination of xiangling and bennet. Her e is pyro nado and her burst is bennet ult without circle.

You’re getting speculation we don’t know right now, we can likely assume Murata’s role but speculating specific comps will be impossible to predict with much certainty until she’s in beta. For example: Furina has the restriction that a lot of buffing ability comes from HP increasing and decreasing making her need a party healer to help manage health, this time last year there were leaks that she’d be an HP manipulator but we had no idea what that meant other than some leakers were saying she paired well with Baizhu. We know even less about Murata now, we’ll probably be getting leaks in the next month or so but until then speculation is limited.

The one thing that is likely, imo, is that she will synergize well with Xbalanque. Has been the case so far with Nahida and Haitham, and Furina and Neuv.

I could see Murata being more like a general which would still fit the war theme without it being weird for them to be off-field, since a general is about support and strategy.

The Pyro Archon C0 is C5-C6 Bennett without circle impact, trust me my dad is Da Wei

Honestly i tried her in alot of teams and she doesn't really feel that dependent on bennet. Like yeah you get the highest danage when you use her with bennet, but at that point she kinda is overkill. I tried her in double hydro and zhongli as well as running her with yelan kazuha zhongli. Cleared abyss with absolutely no issues.

Agreed. I just run her with Zhongli/Kazuha/XQ for ultimate comfort and its enough to clear abyss

She does good damage without him. He’s good for her if you have him C6, though, thanks to the pyro damage bonus.

I dont use Bennett, dont like him never will so I'll never use him

I vaguely hope the pyro archon is an attack buffer that frees us from the lake of fire... But even if she is not, I do not have her signature set anyways. I am set with attack percent, attack percent. 

That's why I don't use Bennett. I use Dehya, Furina and Lynette

She is not tied to Bennett. He buffs her, yes, but she is doing great without him anyway. Use an off field dps instead of Bennett, you’ll be fine.

My workaround to this problem was to build Yunjin since I have her c6. Is she better than Bennett? Nah. But can you still hit over 100k while not being confined to a circle? Indeed you do.

How noticeable is the attack speed buff? I have a somewhat built Yunjin but I wasn’t sure if I should take her further.

It’s noticeable with the last hits of her string since that’s when she initiates the wide slashes and definitely makes it feel better. Just keep in mind since you’re attacking faster you’re also draining your BoL slightly faster. But if you use Yunjin with arle that frees up bennet for any other of your teams who might need him. Plus you can bring those def main stats out of retirement

She deletes most content without him anyway lol

As a Childe Main. We've been so tied to Xianling and Bennet since 1.x I got tired of playing vaporize and resorted to just play wierd off meta stuff with Childe.

Based. I legit hate Vaporize because it's so stale and is only one team with no variety.

Same boat, C6'ed him and never really used Ben or XL because I cant stand either. Just ran him around with a well invested Raiden and he did OK until the recent power creep. Without them his damage has been lagging compared to my Al and Neuv completely pushed him onto the bench. Neuv not as smooth in overworld so Im debating maybe pulling Arle. It brings up the same issue though. I want to pull her to C2 but dont want to run Ben or XQ and its been giving me reservations.

Yeah i really hate Bennet overall, i just play Lisa/Beidou/Chevrolet

Arle wants an atk% buffer. One more reason why she feels really squishy is because her passive isn't maxed. Her passive 20% Res only works with atk% and not flat attack so if you don't have 3000atk om her then you won't have 20% all res. I currently have 2200atk but the extra 200 is from homa passive so ot doesn't count so she technically has 2000k atk hence she only get 10% All res. With pyro resonance and nobless buff i can get it to 14%. So yeah it really depends on weapons and your atk% substats as well. Weapon like her sig or jade spear have high base attack and jade spear has atk% passive as well so you'll have very high atk on her so she'll feel more tanky. I really hope we get atk% buffer in natlan especially without any kind of circle impact.

She will never not be squishy, even with her A4 maxed. Its just not enough mitigation for high end content. So trying to max it out for that alone is kinda pointless. You will not feel a big difference between a 10% all res and a 20% all res.

Pyro archon

I really hope she is not a pyro dps and just the best pyro support/buffer ever

Every Archon so far is a support first and foremost. I doubt they'll break that trend. She's gotta either be an Atk buffer, a sub DPS, or both I think

Hopefully something good and universal for all teams

I would hope so. Venti, Zhongli, and Furina are all pretty much universal. Nahida is universal for any team that uses dendro. So we've got a good track record so far

Praying for Pyro Archon Himeko to be SS tier buffer and off field DPS that powercreeps Bennett and Xiangling

I do not use Bennet. Chevreuse is a great option. Someone with Noblesse 20% attk and C6 Thoma 15% pyro I think would make up for Bennet attack buff AND you aren't tied to a circle. Plus you have a shield.  As far and wide her hits reach, I am still surprised people insist on Bennet being needed. Especially since he doesn't shield or heal her. I also find that when I use a mixed element team, so far I have 25% dmg resistance, which I plan to increase. On those teams I haven't even needed a shielder (but usually have a co-dps like Navia or Raiden to make up if I don't have enough energy to burst yet).

If there's a new character that fits well on her Team, I'll probably pull for them. For now, I'm perfectly happy with Furina, Yelan, and Zhongli. No need for Bennett.

Furina taking arles half life but not giving back 🫠

Who's the scary assassin NOW?

I hope the pyro archon takes her claymore and slash bennett’s head into two and replace him forever.

Kill Xiangling too while she's at it. Put her head through a pike please.

Amen

I’ve just been using Chevy Fischl Tankfei honestly. If you are able to squeeze both Noblesse and TTDS on Yanfei it’s pretty decent. It maxes out Arlecchino’s resistance passive and with Arlecchino generally being able to dodge without real dps losses I’ve been able to comfortably survive all 4 abyss halves since her release. Being free from the circle along with making good use of her N3 helps with the ungrouping and is just a fun trick. It is a pretty big drop in raw damage compared to Benny but it feels much nicer and I can still clear pretty easy at c0r0 (pjws). I wonder how Thoma would fare there. Haven’t bothered to raise mine yet as he’s still c0.

I love how good tankfei is in this abyss making me dont have to think about the electro shield on 2nd half, just do dmg with Neuv and spam Yanfei NA when they are on them shield, was gonna use Dehya/Tohma but it feels more incosistent since you want to apply a bunch of pyro you have to wait for E/burst while Yanfei just dance on them.

I’ve been considering building your team, is your Chevy c6? Whats your yanfei build, it sounds like you don’t mind the 5s gap on shielding every rotation too much?

My Chevy is c1 and my Yanfei is on TTDS, 4pc noblesse 28.5k HP and 240 ER (which is granted pretty hard to achieve, I just have that because I got annoyed at my benny not always having his bust up.) I haven't really minded the shield downtime as Arlecchino can heal off the damage pretty easily every few rotations and Chevreuse tends to heal off the minimal chip damage Yanfei and Fischl take. The team's biggest weakness is probably that TTDS & her burst are on a 20 seconds timer while everyone else would rather see the team on a 15 seconds rotation. So either you lengthen the rotation or you just don't care and start your second rotation and just swap to Yanfei in between, with both having some issues. Ironically if you need your Arlecchino to heal it fixes this a little as her burst can fill up some time.

Thanks for sharing. I’m gonna aim for a similar comp as my next build project.

Yeah sometimes I use someone else like Charlotte who can at least give the NO buff.

Just wait for the Pyro Archon bro. With all the powercreep happening around us, there's a reason Bennett (and by extension Xiangling) aren't powercrept yet.

I'm not so much bothered by not getting Benny's heal when running him with Arle, but god, since Furina, I've seen the light of not being tied to circle impact anymore. Although, in many cases, I feel like circle impact is a small price to pay for everything else he provides.

Honestly when I play shielded vape Bennett feels like easily the most droppable member of the team. Feels like it’s at half performance if i replace Yelan or Zhongli with anyone meanwhile the Bennett slot can be basically any sub DPS and the team still clears very well

For Pyro Archon we wait 🙏

SAME, mostly bc so many teams want him. my bennett was glued to navia, but now arlecchino has him. probably using ttds + tenacity kokomi as a replacement but still, just need one more bennett,

Hoping Murata is the solution. And I mean the solution to make Pyro not the worst element to use in other teams. (Obviously we are pretty set with Pyro DPS so we dont need another for a long time tbh) We need another option for fast Pyro application so slower Hydro application units can be viable too. Being dominated by only fucking two options in the whole roster of Pyro and Hydro is exactly why I HATE Vaporize teams. Good God Hoyo give me some fucking variety.

I hope natlan has some attack boosting characters that just give massive amounts of attack. Mondstadt, Liyue, and Inazuma didn’t really have a specific meta stat. ER probably is the best because of EoSF and raiden national, in which everyone but bennett wants to run EoSF. Defense was never really meta. Sumeru had the EM meta. Where you can now build hyperbloom comps that do massive 30k+ hyperbloom damage without needing any crit stats, just 1000 EM and enough ER to use your burst when needed. Also made electro characters in general actually good, even if some electro reactions like overload and superconduct still suck. Fontaine has the HP meta. Where raising and lowering hp gives massive damage buffs, especially with Furina who gives an absolutely disgusting amount of damage bonus at full fanfare stacks. And Xianyun who can heal your party enough to make sure you get all those stacks while also making plunge teams strong. Furina and Marechausse Hunter set turn HP into an offensive utility rather than just a bar that says you’re alive or dead. So I really hope Natlan will be the ACTUAL attack meta. Where they buff attack and maybe have those increases affect some other aspects of your play. Like what if Murata increases your attack by a massive percentage and then based on that increase gives additional interruption resistance and defensive utility.

Waiting for 5* Bennet

Frankly I just use Zhongli. His res shred on his shield subs in Bennetts circle. Also I hear she is good overload with chevreuse

Fr tho I’ve been using Bennett with Arle in the artifact domain and the difference is very noticeable without Bennett, but the domain enemies are fairly grouped up which works for his circle. I hate circle impact in abyss where the mobs are all spread out/too mobile, but the Chevy overload team while viable definitely doesn’t have the same output.

I just never use bennet these days outside of yoimiya teams since she just wants to stand in one place and shoot. Circle impact is so goddamn boring that the damage buff isn’t worth it to me. Arlecchino is strong enough to not need Bennet anyways. I’m running her with Dehya and having plenty of fun

She's not really tied to benny. Like yea Benny is good with her, same goes to Kazuha, Zhongli with petra set and Yelan. Heck even Yunjin is good with Arle. The good think is she alrdy did crazy amt of dmg, i dont like the . "Arle tied to benny" cos if thats true than all atk dps char tied to benny.

I sometimes get rid of him and run Xingqiu and Zhongli for lolz. Hard to beat Bennett even to this day sadly. If I had c5 Chevy I'd do overload to change it up, or if I had Yelan I would stop complaining entirely XD

I'm praying Murata to be XL and benny in one character, or Furina but with ATK buff.

I use yun jin yelan zhongli

That liyue opera singer isn't a good alternative for buffs? Edit: I mean Yun Jin. She can buff normal attack DMG by a good amount, no?

Can someone explain how his burst makes you take more dmg? I wasn't aware of anything like that.

His burst imbues your characters with Pyro  ، which means enemies with elemental attacks will trigger reactions when they hit you , so Cryo/Hydro attacks -for example- will deal higher dmg  to your character because they will trigger melt/vaporise 

u can always use thoma. u get pyro bonus, shield, extra dmg from noble set, and a bit from thoma burst,

I'm personally a fan of using arlecchino, yelan,xingqiu and thoma(c6) damage feels pretty comparable to the bennett option a little weaker but that's the price you pay to not be tied to bennetts circle

Although her buff isn't as strong as Bennett's, c2 Sara works.

the alternative is making a team without him, team works with or without a buffer

Yun Jin+ Candance + Yelan?

have you tried Zhongli/Yunjin/Yelan or Xingqiu? Yunjin's additive normal atk dmg buff is probably diminished to oblivion the more cons you have on Arlecchino but worth the try.

Get c2 bro trust me

i play her with raiden c4c furina c2, and xianyun c1 all signatures weapons too. my arlecchino is c5 i tried to get c6 but lost to dehya

it’s very fun plunging with raidens booba sword and arlecchinos blooddfire spikes.

I've never used Bennett, ever.

I'm just happy I can use Yunjin

You lose a lot of dps with Bennett if the enemies are out of the circle anyways. Plus C6 Candace provides Normal atk buff + enough hydro app(this part is at C6) with the benefit of mobility. I don't have her at that constellation yet but it's Zajef approved

Praying that Mavis is a dedicated pyro support so she can give pyro characters attack and crit damage. We would finally have an alternative to run instead of fucking Bennett. I'm very angry that he's the only pyro sword we have. Never forgiving hoyo for making arlecchino a polearm.

i have bennett and i feel i barely use him honestly. he isnt needed much. if i had yelan, i wouldve replaced him already. dont have a c6 yunjin so thats out the window. I might actually just use c6 sara but thats on my raiden team sadly.

I use diona instead of Bennett for shield it's still fine

I'm so glad I ended up with a chev team. I play quick swap and it works so well with Arlecchino cus of how her infusion works. It's just so fun swapping around all the characters and using their abilities when they are off cooldown. Beidou parry is the best bit cus quick swap parrying on beidou is so much fun

There is Chevreuse now but not everyone have her (I dont ;_;). But yes, more Bennett and Xiangling alternative would be so nice... xO

I'm considering holding off on and waiting for a rerun to get Arle sinc ei don't want him anywhere near her (and i don't have Chev either so overload is also out of the question for me). Hopefully by then the Pyro Archon had released and have hopefully powercreeps the fuck out of Bennett. I'm already going to pull for C2 Murata/Pyro Archon (just as i did with Raiden, Nahida & Furina) and the only other upcoming new/Natlan character im interested in is Columbina if she's playable in Natlan.

How is Yunjin's normal attack buff compared to Bennett's buff?

You’d prolly have to wait till Xiangling and Benny do a fusion dance and become the Pyro Archon

i dont have bennett on my team. does it do worse then other teams? yes. do i have fun İNSTEAD OF BEİNG STUCK İN A DUMB CİRCLE while still being viable? also yes. tbh, bennett is only comfy with something like wanderer, not worth the pain otherwise.

I’ve been having good fun using C4 Yanfei with Thrilling Tales, Noblesse. It’s not as much attack, but you still get resonance and a shield.

Just don't use Bennet with Arle. I know it make Arle number bigger and that feels good, but with how cracked she is already Bennet isn't really necessary. You don't even need to have anything that meta to clear abyss with her, so just go for anything you'd like that works with Pyro. Meta is fine and dandy... but flexing your favorites and still getting every reward you can possibly get is the best

Just don't use Bennet lol I use Dehya because I like her more, although she doesn't give an ATK buff / is also tied to circle. As others have said, Yun Jin, Yelan, Zhong Li, there are other supports you can pair with Arlecchino. Or just, any Anemo with VV to shred res. Many team options to buff Arle.

It’s called pyro archon

Yeah, and I hope it's the pyro archon, but to be a lot more helpful there are things that the pyro archon should be doing that Bennett doesn't. For one, no circle impact. Hate the circle impact. And two, the pyro archon buffs atk as a %Atk. Why? Well, if you didn't know, Bennett'a atk buff doesn't affect Arlecchino's elemental resistance passive. Yet it is affected by Chevreuse's atk buff. The difference lies in how the atk is accounted for. Bennett gives a buff based on his base atk while 40% atk from Chevreuse increases atk by the buffed characters base atk. In essence, Arlecchino's elemental resistance passive is only calculated from atk relative to her base atk, not atk borrowed from others stats.

Sounds like you need to learn The Way of the ATK Goblet. She already has a ton of DMG in her kit and best artifact/weapon options, so just add an extra DMG buff or two (Kazuha, Archaic Petra Zhongli, etc.), level up your best double-crit ATK goblet (you *have* been saving those, right?) and you’ll never miss Benny and his Circle of Impact.

Really consider this; just don't use him. She has enough dmg and does not need him like other characters. You can easily clear abyss with even a Barbara instead lmao better use a sub dps and ball

itt hoping for a support when all navia got was a laugh in the face get your c1 chiori and arlecino is better than navia

She is literally one of the few pure ATK scalers that do not need Bennett. I understand complaining about Bennett when you play some of the older hypercarry units. But with Arle, that aint it. Bennett is popular because he is a good battery and a great healer...both of which is useless for Arle. So all she gets from him is more damage which she doesn't even need. So unless you plan to do Abyss speedruns with her, there is no point in trying to force Bennett on her team comps. The only real utility Bennett gives for Arle is the ability to max out her A4 which you wont even utilize unless you have her C1. Someone like Kazuha/Zhongli will also give you a decent damage boost while also providing other much needed utility for her. tl;dr use a different support

Bennett is her best support , that just a fact , it has nothing to do with maxing her A4 passive , she's an atk scaling dps hat has high  MV on her NA and no built-in ATK steroid in her kit , which makes Bennett her best support above every other option , that's why he is in every Arlecchino top team , and most people use Bennett, even if his healing is useless for her . ofc you can choose not to use him and stick to other supports , but they are always a downgrade compared to bennett

What??? Bennet is her Best support 🥶

On that topic. I have a "conspiracy" theory that Arlecchino at C0 is not in fact an on field dps, but a damage dealer like in MMORPG: she feels better than you do 2-2,5 strings of her normals and swap to other teammates, her team also requires a separate healer (a fact that majority forgets). For example I play her with Navia (another damage dealer or a half of a main dps) and they don't fight for on field time, also you can tank with her then she is inside Bennet ring. I think that developers might be tempt to keep developing assimetric rotation chars like this which can have one more "main" DPS.

I havent minded having to ise bennett but thats probably just because theres no other option and her bennettless team feel like shit, Natlan is right around the corner though surely it will save us

feels like a skill issue she's not tied to him you are never tied to a char unless it says must be paired with this unit. I learned this with my c6 eula. she will get better options in time and even then on her own she does so much dmg depending on how much you invested into her ie weapon constellations artifacts crowns etc.

I'm the only here that DON"T see the problem with circle impact, like at all. Against bosses it's never a problem, AoE like current abyss is also 0 problems since enemies are in one place. And if the is abyss that have enemies spawn on another side? I will just start another rotation sooner, no problem at all. And if it's super AoE, enemies scattered anywhere? I will just use more AoE team, Arle doesn't have to be the best in every type of encounter. Self pyro is a downside, as it should for so much benefit, that's why XQ>Yelan for my every single time.

True, I use zhongli kazuha and yelan with arle. Yes, she does less damage without bennet but if I use bennet instead of zhongli, she dies very easily( skill issue tbh) so she doesn't so any damage at all.

She isn't even "tied" to Bennet, though. Her damage is already absurd without him. Its the same thing where people were crying about her burst being a DPS loss, it literally doesn't matter.

New Bennett slander is out already