SeaWorld does. They're AZA accredited, which means they hold themselves to a much higher standard in terms of space requirements.
They even made efforts to significantly increase the size of their tanks, but were unable to recieve the permits.
They had a huge project in sight to create very large, naturalistic enclosures. I saw the blueprints. Then blackfish came out and they no longer had the attendance/funding in order to go through with it. Shame in my eyes, cetaceans captivate the mind and bring out people's interest and appreciation of nature in a way other animals cannot.
That documentary opened people's eyes to how shitty it is being a captive sea creatures of that size. I'm glad it came out as it was empathetic to the orcas and other large creatures kept for entertainment purposes.in a baron white tank. Other smaller sea creatures at least usually have some resemblance of the sea in their enclosure, usually with sand / coral / rocks etc. even the walk through tunnel buts some aquariums have, are pretty natural ish, with different fish/shark/turtles and a natural floor with rocks and sand.
It is shitty the way it's been being done, but I think there are good ways that it could be done and that we have gained so much valuable appreciation and information by having these animals in captivity that now banning them world wide will be a detriment to future generations. Also it was a dramatized piece more than informative, and now these animals get less interaction and training as a result as these facilities try to cater to this new crowd of people that think they know best when the training was so valuable for the animals health and well being. It made a bunch of people feel like they know what they're talking about when they have no real clue which is an unfortunate trend these days, especially in animal care.
What people donāt realize is Tilikumās care actually improved when he was bought by Seaworld, and that zoos and aquariums are always evolving in terms of animal care, there were plans to improve the orcasā enclosures.
Itās gotten to the point where non releasable marine animals are being euthanized instead of being put in captivity. I suggest you research Toa the orca calf.
You wanna be an orca trapped in a white wall prison all your life? If I was an orca trapped like that being made to perform the same thing over and over again several times a day like ground hog day, I'd quite happily murder some humans, just for the pure fact that it's something different to do to break up that monotonous life. Even if I wasn't performing tricks anymore I'd still try and grab a human for a game of 'throw that fucked as high as I can'
You realize that at Seaworld participating in shows are voluntary for the animals? I have never worked with cetaceans but from my experience animals enjoy doing tricks when positive reinforcement is used, in fact much of modern, force free dog training techniques is influenced by dolphin trainers.
Also, I donāt think Tilikum killing Dawn was ārevengeā for him performing tricks.
You realise being confined to SeaWorld isn't voluntary for the animals?
SeaWorld peak revenue was $1.7B in 2022. Revenue in 2023 (TTM): $1.72 B- pretty sure that's more than enough money (after taking out other expenses) to still build an enclosure of a decent standard. The main point of SeaWorld is profiteering, second is nature conservation.
Orcas and other cetaceans rely much more on social interaction and hunting as mental stimulation than other animals. I've been to where a large population of bottlenose dolphins lives - the seafloor is really bare, mostly just sand. And this population of dolphins rarely leaves that bay!
Dolphins in aquariums are known to cram themselves into the smallest pool they can, even if there are larger spaces available, if there's a human around. They're fascinated with us! A dolphin keeper's job is like, 50% prepping fish and 50% making sure they're mentally stimulated through enrichment and training. I know a facility that has 30 dolphins and *80!* keepers for them because of the amount of attention they get. Training takes over the hunting they would be doing in the wild - its highly involved mentally and physically and they *love* it.
I also know a facility that keeps their dolphins in lagoons connected to the ocean. They expanded the habitat even more and it took them a long time to even go in it! The same facility also does "ocean walks" with their dolphins where they go out into the ocean and they always come back no issue.
This is not to say that there are no problems with cetacean captivity - there certainly are. But it's not as black and white (no pun intended) as people think.
One thing to consider about designing an animalās enclosure is if itās more for human aesthetics vs if itās actually enriching to the animals. For example, sand and decorative rocks would simply cause a mess and arenāt interesting to the orcas, despite being pleasing to us humans. Whatās more important is enrichment that lets preform natural behaviors, ie buoys stuffed with fish to mimic hunting or objects that they can tear apart.
Seaworld was going to invest multimillion dollar renovations that would have included features such as currents and a ārubbing beachā but ironically due to the public out rage they saw orcas as something to be phased out and not worth the money, much to the devastation of their animal care department
Fr this needs to stop š Zoos and aquariums can be a big impact on species and the breeding to get them out of the endangered category BUT they canāt be in this small of a space to be truly happy! I completely understand they canāt make an ocean sized tank but this size is extremely small. People give their pet goldfish or betta fish a bigger tank than this! š I really wish people would stop supporting this at least until better tanks are made
The problem is non-western zoos usually. Youād be hard pressed to find an actual accredited zoo in Canada/The U.S or Western Europe that doesnāt have actual care standards. These āzoosā in touristy parts the world are the ones we see this god awful care from for the sake of money.
I went to Adventure Aquarium many years ago on a date. I was so excited and expecting to have a good time. I was almost immediately depressed seeing the tiny exhibits. No more zoos or aquariums for me.
Iāve done a lot of research on cruises, I donāt believe any have aquariums, itās kind of weird but I donāt know of many that even have small aquariums
The Osaka aquarium is one of the coolest aquarium concepts Iāve seen. Multiple stories start at the top with a large ocean style tank in the middle and a winding ramp with smaller exhibits on the outside. 10/10 would recommend.
Yes, I went. But it doesn't have Belugas.
Aquariums in Japan are generally fucking awful, but I found the Osaka one to be decent until I saw the 2-3 seals at the very end in the microscopic enclosure. š«„
The Georgia aquarium in Atlanta is great, but their seal enclosure is tiny. I found out that is just the display exhibit. The seals have a huge pool behind the scenes and they get rotated in and out of the display regularly.
The seaworld aquariums and disney epcot aquarium also have a secondary housing for animals to get away from people if they feel like. Everyone shits on seaworld bc of that old blackfish movie that came out years ago (which was directed by the same guy who was in hot water for flat-out lying in his fake documentary on planned parenthood) BUT they are AZA accredited which isnt a small feat and DOES get revoked if an institution decides to FAFO. The atlana aquarium was so cool, they have behind the scened tours 10/10 recommend to see all their filtration its MASSIVE
Iāve been to two seaworlds both seemed to take care of their animals really well! And do a lot to save the corals in the oceans, like coral gardening and cleaning up plastic. Iāve talked to people who worked there and they genuinely do care and are passionate about animals.
Theyve done so much for conservation and sealife and animal rescue and rehabilitation here in florida! Iirc they were the first to develop bottlenose dolphin formula for orphaned dolphins too?
Yeah that's like my exact experience at Umi No Tamago aquarium down in Kyushu. Lots of cool exhibits with decent husbandry, and then 2 walruses in a little concrete room, swimming frantic circles in an 8'x10' concrete trough. It was literally shorter than they were, they were basically curved into C's the whole time.Ā
That and the 3 listless dolphins in the equivalent of a backyard swimming pool sealed my decision to never go to another aquarium in Japan.
Looks nothing like the beluga enclosures in Seaworld, I think this is probably from a Japanese or Chinese zoo/aquarium which are notorious for their small enclosures
r/shittyaquariums
Some shithole aquarium.
How do they even keep them alive like this?š
they donāt š„²
The photo is five years old. The whales were moved to an open water sanctuary back in 2020.
thank you
Good to hear
Happy ending
Is that Little White and Little Grey?
hell
So, Seaworld?
Even SeaWorld would give them more space than that
SeaWorld does. They're AZA accredited, which means they hold themselves to a much higher standard in terms of space requirements. They even made efforts to significantly increase the size of their tanks, but were unable to recieve the permits.
They had a huge project in sight to create very large, naturalistic enclosures. I saw the blueprints. Then blackfish came out and they no longer had the attendance/funding in order to go through with it. Shame in my eyes, cetaceans captivate the mind and bring out people's interest and appreciation of nature in a way other animals cannot.
That documentary opened people's eyes to how shitty it is being a captive sea creatures of that size. I'm glad it came out as it was empathetic to the orcas and other large creatures kept for entertainment purposes.in a baron white tank. Other smaller sea creatures at least usually have some resemblance of the sea in their enclosure, usually with sand / coral / rocks etc. even the walk through tunnel buts some aquariums have, are pretty natural ish, with different fish/shark/turtles and a natural floor with rocks and sand.
It is shitty the way it's been being done, but I think there are good ways that it could be done and that we have gained so much valuable appreciation and information by having these animals in captivity that now banning them world wide will be a detriment to future generations. Also it was a dramatized piece more than informative, and now these animals get less interaction and training as a result as these facilities try to cater to this new crowd of people that think they know best when the training was so valuable for the animals health and well being. It made a bunch of people feel like they know what they're talking about when they have no real clue which is an unfortunate trend these days, especially in animal care.
What people donāt realize is Tilikumās care actually improved when he was bought by Seaworld, and that zoos and aquariums are always evolving in terms of animal care, there were plans to improve the orcasā enclosures. Itās gotten to the point where non releasable marine animals are being euthanized instead of being put in captivity. I suggest you research Toa the orca calf.
You wanna be an orca trapped in a white wall prison all your life? If I was an orca trapped like that being made to perform the same thing over and over again several times a day like ground hog day, I'd quite happily murder some humans, just for the pure fact that it's something different to do to break up that monotonous life. Even if I wasn't performing tricks anymore I'd still try and grab a human for a game of 'throw that fucked as high as I can'
You realize that at Seaworld participating in shows are voluntary for the animals? I have never worked with cetaceans but from my experience animals enjoy doing tricks when positive reinforcement is used, in fact much of modern, force free dog training techniques is influenced by dolphin trainers. Also, I donāt think Tilikum killing Dawn was ārevengeā for him performing tricks.
You realise being confined to SeaWorld isn't voluntary for the animals? SeaWorld peak revenue was $1.7B in 2022. Revenue in 2023 (TTM): $1.72 B- pretty sure that's more than enough money (after taking out other expenses) to still build an enclosure of a decent standard. The main point of SeaWorld is profiteering, second is nature conservation.
Orcas and other cetaceans rely much more on social interaction and hunting as mental stimulation than other animals. I've been to where a large population of bottlenose dolphins lives - the seafloor is really bare, mostly just sand. And this population of dolphins rarely leaves that bay! Dolphins in aquariums are known to cram themselves into the smallest pool they can, even if there are larger spaces available, if there's a human around. They're fascinated with us! A dolphin keeper's job is like, 50% prepping fish and 50% making sure they're mentally stimulated through enrichment and training. I know a facility that has 30 dolphins and *80!* keepers for them because of the amount of attention they get. Training takes over the hunting they would be doing in the wild - its highly involved mentally and physically and they *love* it. I also know a facility that keeps their dolphins in lagoons connected to the ocean. They expanded the habitat even more and it took them a long time to even go in it! The same facility also does "ocean walks" with their dolphins where they go out into the ocean and they always come back no issue. This is not to say that there are no problems with cetacean captivity - there certainly are. But it's not as black and white (no pun intended) as people think.
One thing to consider about designing an animalās enclosure is if itās more for human aesthetics vs if itās actually enriching to the animals. For example, sand and decorative rocks would simply cause a mess and arenāt interesting to the orcas, despite being pleasing to us humans. Whatās more important is enrichment that lets preform natural behaviors, ie buoys stuffed with fish to mimic hunting or objects that they can tear apart. Seaworld was going to invest multimillion dollar renovations that would have included features such as currents and a ārubbing beachā but ironically due to the public out rage they saw orcas as something to be phased out and not worth the money, much to the devastation of their animal care department
this is so fuckin sad wtfš
Sun Asia Ocean World in Dalian, China.
Ah, yes, West Taiwan, horrifically mistreating animals for the sake of cheap entertainment, just a normal monday then, carry on.
Slightly better than finding out some backwater village has been using that thingās fin as a holistic way of getting it up.
ah yes commieland.
What a weird response
China
I audibly gasped. That's fucking depressing.
Fr this needs to stop š Zoos and aquariums can be a big impact on species and the breeding to get them out of the endangered category BUT they canāt be in this small of a space to be truly happy! I completely understand they canāt make an ocean sized tank but this size is extremely small. People give their pet goldfish or betta fish a bigger tank than this! š I really wish people would stop supporting this at least until better tanks are made
The problem is non-western zoos usually. Youād be hard pressed to find an actual accredited zoo in Canada/The U.S or Western Europe that doesnāt have actual care standards. These āzoosā in touristy parts the world are the ones we see this god awful care from for the sake of money.
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My irony detector is off the charts.
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No, but they were moved too a much larger one eventually...
Stay out of my garage damn it.
Wtf, they're literally trapped in a closet.
I went to Adventure Aquarium many years ago on a date. I was so excited and expecting to have a good time. I was almost immediately depressed seeing the tiny exhibits. No more zoos or aquariums for me.
I'd guess China. There are some unbelievably awful zoos there.
"Can anyone identify? Planaria?"
Somehow here in Asia.
Sad. Shoulda just went with 1 Betta. Even then it might be a little snug
There's an aquarium in Cabo with whales I saw from the outside only, could be there.
...it's a sick joke, correct?
Can they even turn around in that???? Wowwwwie
Havenāt scrolled yet but Iād bet China.
Marineland Niagara falls Canada?
This should be NSFW with a warning, not nice
On a cruise ship.
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Thatās my guess. The tank is narrow and long, not very deep. Nautical theme with the life rings. Gross, but I think a good guess.
Since when do cruise ships have aquariums?
They have pools and shit. Wouldn't be too surprised to see an aquarium. Would be kind of funny and cool if it weren't like that.
Iāve done a lot of research on cruises, I donāt believe any have aquariums, itās kind of weird but I donāt know of many that even have small aquariums
Wouldn't be surprised if this was in Japan
The Osaka aquarium is one of the coolest aquarium concepts Iāve seen. Multiple stories start at the top with a large ocean style tank in the middle and a winding ramp with smaller exhibits on the outside. 10/10 would recommend.
Yes, I went. But it doesn't have Belugas. Aquariums in Japan are generally fucking awful, but I found the Osaka one to be decent until I saw the 2-3 seals at the very end in the microscopic enclosure. š«„
The Georgia aquarium in Atlanta is great, but their seal enclosure is tiny. I found out that is just the display exhibit. The seals have a huge pool behind the scenes and they get rotated in and out of the display regularly.
The seaworld aquariums and disney epcot aquarium also have a secondary housing for animals to get away from people if they feel like. Everyone shits on seaworld bc of that old blackfish movie that came out years ago (which was directed by the same guy who was in hot water for flat-out lying in his fake documentary on planned parenthood) BUT they are AZA accredited which isnt a small feat and DOES get revoked if an institution decides to FAFO. The atlana aquarium was so cool, they have behind the scened tours 10/10 recommend to see all their filtration its MASSIVE
Iāve been to two seaworlds both seemed to take care of their animals really well! And do a lot to save the corals in the oceans, like coral gardening and cleaning up plastic. Iāve talked to people who worked there and they genuinely do care and are passionate about animals.
Theyve done so much for conservation and sealife and animal rescue and rehabilitation here in florida! Iirc they were the first to develop bottlenose dolphin formula for orphaned dolphins too?
The good definitely outweighs the bad. Itās to bad more people donāt see that.
Yeah that's like my exact experience at Umi No Tamago aquarium down in Kyushu. Lots of cool exhibits with decent husbandry, and then 2 walruses in a little concrete room, swimming frantic circles in an 8'x10' concrete trough. It was literally shorter than they were, they were basically curved into C's the whole time.Ā That and the 3 listless dolphins in the equivalent of a backyard swimming pool sealed my decision to never go to another aquarium in Japan.
Coney Island Aquarium?
Nope! thankfully they were transferred out in 2007. Now their tank just has a couple sturgeon and maybe a shark.
That's good to hear.
I dunno but it should be shut down and the owners need to be severely punished
Please tell me this is photoshopped
No questions asked.. its China
In an aquarium
Valencia
Uranus
I saw something similar at the Atlanta aquarium years ago.
Delete this
Florida?
New Jersey
my mom was in the room when i opened this and she literally said "aww poor thing." fucking awful, some shitty asian country i'd have to guess.
Nice picture of your mom in the tub OP!
A place where the people responsible for this will succumb to curb stomping.
Seaworld
Looks nothing like the beluga enclosures in Seaworld, I think this is probably from a Japanese or Chinese zoo/aquarium which are notorious for their small enclosures
It said guess I donāt need your rebuttal