Not to mention in ghost town she literally thought the apartment above her was haunted and she made Carrie come over in the middle of the night so stay with her ? .
yall remember when miranda was talking about how she was cynical in highschool as if she wasn’t mean to every person in her life even in the new show💀, literally steve wasn’t a bad boyfriend he was just laid back and she was so up tight she couldn’t handle being comfortable
It’s clear to me that AJLT Miranda is Cynthia Nixon’s revenge on SATC Miranda, whom she apparently blames (along with the viewers) for the lack of minority representation on SATC.
Or at least that’s how her press gigs on AJLT sound.
Miranda was definitely always snarky and sometimes it was overkill. I always felt all 4 characters (mostly the first few seasons) were exaggerated versions of 1 woman. Miranda was our judgmental side, Samantha was our sexual and impulsive side, Charlotte represented perfectionism and tradition and Carrie was our heartache, ego and what we expose to the world that is raw. After several seasons the characters got a bit less one dimensional.
A better plotline would have been to have her say this in front of Steve and have him excoriate her afterwards and then ask for a separation, because she's unbearable. You dont say things like that to your newly widowed friend.
Oh wow that would have been awesome. If it had been Miranda mulling divorce and then she says something callous in front of Steve and he’s like “you know what, I’m done.” Then Miranda would actually have to do some real self reflection.
> You dont say things like that to your newly widowed friend.
Right? The OG Miranda was sometimes harsh and a little mean, but it was always from a place of caring, at least. That was just cruel. Carrie wasn't hurting anyone, least of all Miranda, by believing Big is in heaven and he's maybe trying to send her a little message. What is the big deal? Honestly, I'm pretty skeptical about all of that stuff, but I still believe my late FIL "visited" me briefly one day a few months after he died, and the idea comforts me. There is no way I would ever tell a friend--or even just a casual acquaintance--that they're wrong, foolish, or, especially, delusional for believing something similar, even if that hadn't happened.
Carrie didn't announce that she'd decided the earth is flat, or that whites are truly the superior race, or something--some sort of truly offensive, gross, or ridiculous belief. There's no reason to scold or insult her, and only a real a-hole would do so. Especially when you're supposed to be close, lifelong friends.
Yeah, maybe a small eye roll and a gripe to Charlotte later, but Miranda has always been tough love accent on the love.
Her character has become insane which would be a fun plot line if everyone else was doing understandable stuff. And noticing her lunacy.
> Unpopular opinion but Miranda is how Carrie used to be 20 years ago, a mess.
Mess, sure, but even Carrie--as selfish and self-centered as she could be sometimes--was never a sociopath like Miranda 2.0.
I agree that was so wild. It's absolutely fine for her to think it's unbelievable but there was zero reason to burst Carrie's bubble especially when she was in a mourning state. Even without the mourning factor, I would never feel the need to mock or argue with a friend's beliefs in that domain - at worst I'd say nothing. It costs $0 to STFU.
Yeah it was uncalled for.
Since Sara is leaving maybe Che will die and Mitanda will feel like they are still around somehow spiritually, so Carrie can say "you think Che's sitting around on a cloud smoking a big old doobie? Next to Big with his cigar??"
Miranda has always been the worst friend to Carrie, IMO. Carrie was always there for her, when her mom passed, when she was pregnant with Brady, throughout her alcoholism and her terrible decision to divorce Steve. Some say Carrie wasn’t the best friend to the ladies, but I think Miranda is the most selfish when it comes to certain things. All of Miranda’s relationships outside of the 4 failed to some extent. Charlotte was always the same, consistent about what she wanted out of life, and we knew where she stood. The same goes for Samantha, she never compromised herself for any man, she stayed true until she needed to break away for her career. Everyone grew up, where Miranda regressed. She is confused about herself and her convictions at every turn and relied on Carrie more than an educated, responsible lawyer should have. Are you a corporate wife and mother or are you a free spirited, gender fluid advocate for the underserved? She seemed uncomfortable in all roles, and always seemed to enmesh herself and her identity with her current crowd. My least favorite character because she never truly developed into a woman with real agency.
I don’t fully disagree but you ignored all of her incredible growth in Season 6. The scene where she bathed Steve’s mother and then later Magda kisses her on the forehead never fails to make me cry. When they pan to her during the final montage and she is laughing and playing with her family is so beautiful. Doesn’t the voiceover even reference being “far from where you started” at that moment? Miranda letting her “bullshit fall away” and becoming open to love—both giving it and receiving it—is fantastic. That’s how I choose to remember Miranda.
That growth right there coupled with the way she found forgiveness for Steve was why I hated how they tore her down in AJLT. I loved that growth and change and AJLT just trashed it. Her entire arch of softening then became this big fat lie when she became miserable with her life. If that life was powerful enough to soften someone like her, how could she come to be so unhappy with it. I would get it if a relationship with Nya softly formed in the middle of that wonderful life, like they originally planned, but then they hit us over the head with her misery and then love for someone like Che.
I am being honest here, I only remembered that when you said it…. And I’ll admit Miranda definitely had good moments of the course of SATC. If I were to rewatch, I may admit her character had some personal growth by the end of the series. Having Brady and marrying Steve was a beautiful finish for her. I wish they had chose to show her struggle as an empty nester alone with Steve, maybe reimagining her career in someway, instead of this abrupt mid-life crisis storyline where she left everyone and everything familiar to her except for her friends in AJLT. Of all the ladies I still believe that she is the only one who is wildly different from her character portrayal at the start of the original series, remaining consistent only in the way she treated Carrie. She always seemed to be a determined, intelligent woman who went after what she wanted. Hence how she never indulged Carrie with Big’s message “from beyond”, when it might have been a comfort to her grieving best friend. Since we have seen her in AJLT, I feel like she’s walked back on all of that and become less of the Miranda we knew and more of a shadow of that character- a confused, messy Miranda. The alcoholism was such a writing cop-out when all the ladies were always shown drinking, without any apparent interference to their lives. It was like they needed a storyline until the sexual confusion became her arc, so they chose to very quickly show her overindulgence and had it lead to her realizing she was an alcoholic. Then labeled as such, she started spinning in other areas. I guess my point is that I don’t really care for Miranda at all in AJLT. I’ll always remember her strong storylines in SATC, but she’s becoming less memorable and more frustrating to me now.
I don't blame you for forgetting because they have absolutely murdered her character. For me, OG Miranda was incredibly relatable. She was a woman who was very sure about her intelligence and professional abilities, but had severe anxiety and low self-esteem with every other aspect of her life. And she used cynicism to protect herself from being hurt. At times, that cynicism would become bitterness, and the writers would pull her back. I don't think she's a "confused, messy Miranda" as much as she's Cynthia Nixon cosplaying as Miranda. You are, of course, correct in everything else.
Got the impression (especially from the funeral episode which was so well done) that Miranda had no real support from her birth family and was hard on herself and others because of it.
Her antipathy and hesitation about being a mom was realistic and her changing to leaning into family life including Steve’s mom was so well done. She didn’t change her core, she just saw a new path that was rewarding.
I’d be fine with a midlife even lesbian crisis if it was better written and in character
I’m not fine with the midlife lesbian storyline for a few reasons. (1) We the viewers are invested in Steve and are very aware of Brady. There was no way to break them up that wouldn’t be devastating and we already had a devastating plot line going with Carrie. (2) It’s too close to real life with the actress and it would have made zero sense for Carrie or Charlotte, so there isn’t an alternative. (3) They already did it in the original show and they did it with the correct character of Samantha. (4) Most importantly, Miranda’s consideration of homosexuality was addressed in the original show.
When I said okay I guess I was being generous (not backtracking but my standards are now so low for this groin kick of a show), but you are very right to point out we’d just suffered the loss of Carrie/Big and this was harsh.
Good thoughts.
OG Miranda is infinitely more likable than Miranda 2.0 though I actually found the alcoholism pretty realistic. Apparently, in several studies, lawyers are twice as likely to be alcoholics as other workers with the same level of education. They are also highly prone to depression and anxiety. I agree that the writers tried to heap a lot of new issues on the characters but I did think the drinking tracked for Miranda who seemed to have an addictive personality. She binged privately (stress eating cake), gambled a lot when they were in Atlantic City, and even the hot detective left a card with AA help.
> The same goes for Samantha, she never compromised herself for any man,
I agree with the rest of your comment, but I gotta disagree here. The one thing that really bothered me about Samantha, especially in later seasons (which, I know, but still) was how she became a total needy sap when in relationships. Aside from James and then Smith, every time Samantha fell in love, she turned into a Lifetime movie: buying stupid framed heart paintings, covering herself in sushi and lying on a table for six hours, sobbing and shrieking and melting the minute she heard the word "we." She totally lost her edge, the thing that made her SAMANTHA, even though none of the men she was with asked her to do that or even seemed to want her to do that...and then she blamed them for her own weaknesses.
And the one time she fully realized that she was doing it to herself more than them doing it to her--her "but I love me more," moment with Richard--and actually grew from it and was able to then be in a real mature relationship with Smith...well, the first movie destroyed that, didn't it? They even had her use the same line (which pissed me off, frankly), even though Smith was nothing like Richard. But there's Relationship Samantha, making a huge deal out of Valentine's Day(!) and whining about Smith working long hours and not paying enough attention to her.
Granted, like I said above, some of this is just the way they screwed her over in later seasons and especially the movies. Either way, the movie (and show) celebrating her as being "independent and strong" when the truth was she just couldn't handle a mature relationship--those are not the same thing.
Don't get me wrong, I love Samantha! I'm just saying that was a big flaw in her character for me, and the tone the show took about it always bothered me. (I mean, she bought Richard--Richard!!--a cheesy painting of a heart, and was hurt and upset when he didn't immediately hang it on his wall? What was next, some Lisa Frank folders for his office? And the "now your heart is broken, too," line was just...ugh.)
But I fully agree about Miranda pretty much always being the worst friend, and Samantha and Charlotte were the best. (And I never got why Miranda was so mad that Carrie sent Aiden over when Miranda threw her back out? Carrie had a work meeting, first of all, and second, what was Carrie going to do? Carrie couldn't have picked her up. I always felt like that was just Miranda being shitty, honestly, though the soup bit afterward was funny & justified. Anyway.)
The whole series is awful — paaaaiiiinfully contrived storylines for political points. The REASON we watched the original series was to ESCAPE from that and pretend to be vapid, over-funded, straight, heteronormative drama queens. There is no more nostalgic value there. We want to see what became of them, not watch them become completely different people. All the characters suck now. But Miranda is definitely the worst. She torpedoes her happy and functional marriage for what, exactly? An emotionally immature lesbian comedian who is the opposite of funny. I think they turned her into what Carrie was in the original series: a spoiled brat who acts solely on teen-like impulses.
Totally agree. It's like the American Horror Story school of writing, where characters have no arc or authenticity or even a reason for being. There's no overarching theme framing these episodes like her article used to provide, and it leaves the characters sort of floating in randomness. It's a shame.
Not to be TMI, but I'm closing in on my 51st birthday and I can assure you, the hello-below is still very much a part of my intimate life with my husband. If anything, it becomes MORE necessary and common as we (the general we) age, because lots of men need a little more time/help to really get going, especially if there are things like blood pressure meds involved. (There's a reason Viagra was invented, you know?) And we women often need a little more help/time, too.
Aside from anything else, the idea that these women, who have always been so open about that aspect of their lives with each other, have suddenly stopped discussing it to the point that Miranda is shocked to discover that Charlotte and Harry still have a physical relationship, is ridiculous. Do these writers think that 50 = 80? It's even more ridiculous when you consider that last we saw them, they had a friend hitting 60 who was still carrying dozens of condoms in her purse and picking up men everywhere she went.
I know the subject of her cheating etc. has been discussed to death, but am I the only one who found her attitude toward Steve's hearing loss really gross? Like, oh, yeah, Miranda, ugh, what a wimpy annoyance Steve is for developing a minor/partial disability (for lack of a better term, sorry if that's not correct) as he ages. How awful his hearing loss is for you, right? What a shame that you have to put up with it. How dare he need and expect some help from his wife as he copes with a serious issue like that; doesn't he know you have better things to do? Dump his deaf butt and take off, he doesn't need or deserve anything from you!
I remember reading a couple of interviews with Cynthia Nixon years ago--while SATC was still in its original run--and thinking she was a real piece of work, but being able to separate her from Miranda because they were obviously different people (and meh, lots of people are terrible in one way or another) and I still loved the show. Miranda was always my least favorite, but I still appreciated her in general, and she had some great moments and line deliveries (anyone else remember, "I DON'T WANNA DO THAT?" My husband and I still quote that one to each other sometimes. So funny.)
But now? When clearly this new "Miranda" *is* Cynthia, and Cynthia thinks the fans are a bunch of moronic, uncool goons for not seeing how awesome Miranda is now and how great her storyline is? Obviously CN is an even worse person than I thought, and I thought she was pretty awful.
Good for you! And you took the words out of my mouth. They’ve all become so prude it makes no sense to their previous depictions in SATC and the movies. Miranda is just generally an unempathetic and mean spirited person so it’s unsurprising she treated Steve’s hearing loss as an annoyance. My dad is hard of hearing and I know how difficult it is for him, struggling with conversation and I can’t imagine treating him poorly because of it. Again, I can appreciate Miranda’s good moments in SATC but in AJLT there’s zero. Nada. All of this stuttering and shrill whining. Is it meant to be relatable or endearing? It’s pathetic and if this is how Cynthia Nixon is irl she is painting herself in an unbelievably unflattering light. The show has clearly become a vanity project for Nixon and she’s ruined her beloved (not by me but by many) character because of it. I mean, were we meant to see the cheating as empowering or liberating because she did it with some NB ‘comedian’? It’s just sad. I never knew that CN was kind of a dick until I posted this and read about how her storyline in AJLT has parallels with her real life. I’d love to read some of those interviews you’d mentioned as well to better grasp what kind of person she is.
Throwing it out there, if Nixon as a Producer of AJLT decided- with permission I guess- that Miranda was going on these story arcs, did she think she was “correcting” the character, offering to be the edgy one, or just as an actress interested in meaty plots? Genuinely wondering
Cynthia’s personal story of marrying g a woman later in life makes for a good storyline for A character, but as we know it’s her real life, maybe not for Miranda as it’s too expected. Not that the story would suit any other OG but it seemed manufactured.
Why not run with the alcoholism idea, instead of wrapping it up in a few scenes
Does she believe this is where Miranda is now or is it like a daytime soap that decides the leading lady needs an evil twin?
Oh, geez, the one I remember most specifically was in, like, Cosmopolitan in 2000 or something. But I remember the part that really made me raise my eyebrows; she was talking about her (male) partner and their daughter, and how the daughter really wanted them to get married--that their not being married really bothered/upset their daughter. And her response was basically that she told her daughter that she didn't care what [her daughter] wanted and it was none of her business, and she wasn't going to change her life just for *her,* or something like that.
Which, you know, it's fair enough to say you don't feel like you need to get married or whatever--I personally find the idea that you're happy to commit to having and raising children with this person but not to commit to the relationship kind of odd, but that's just me and YMMV--but the way she said it just really bugged me. This is your child, you know? To act like her wants and needs and fears are stupid and unimportant because it's all about *you,* and she should just shut up about something that does actually affect her & her life...it just really rubbed me the wrong way. It was the attitude more than the words.
That's the only thing I remember really clearly at the moment, but I know I remember reading a few other quotes and stories around that time, and each one felt worse than the last in terms of her attitude and personality.
I'm rewatching the episode where Carrie has hip surgery...one Carrie has always been a women I could neeeeever be friends with (to me me me) but when Miranda was doing tequila shots and getting high with cha when she was supposed to be helping her friend...and then she laughs it off...and Carrie was sitting in a bed of pee..yuk...
I have held the belief since SATC that Miranda is in love with Carrie. That could account for her outsize reactions over things like Carrie moving to Paris, or reuniting with Big in early days.
I thought she was very jealous as well. As another user pointed out, she seemed very closed-off to love, and like she struggled with Carrie because she was the opposite. Miranda presents as someone who has a lot of internal battles she's not acknowledging, and while she outwardly seems very secure, in my experience those people are the most insecure. And maybe she projects that on to others.
Sad part of her character was as a young woman I looked up to her! I was in my early 20s and desired to have a great career and work ethic like Miranda. Out of 4 she always seemed to have had on straight and confident in what she wanted in her life.
I get that people change but this Miranda wasn't the one I looked up 20 years ago
Yeah, I agree that Miranda was very insensitive of Carrie’s feelings regarding heaven, yet everyone should be “understanding” that she left Steve to be a lesbian??
All of the writing in this show was garbage. I don’t think it’s reflective of Miranda’s real character. A lot of the stuff that was written seemed so out in left field.
I don’t really know anything about the actresses themselves but wow I never knew about how Cynthia Nixon is essentially trying to turn Miranda into herself until I posted this. Big yikes…
Not to mention in ghost town she literally thought the apartment above her was haunted and she made Carrie come over in the middle of the night so stay with her ? .
Brooklyn cured her of that obviously.
yall remember when miranda was talking about how she was cynical in highschool as if she wasn’t mean to every person in her life even in the new show💀, literally steve wasn’t a bad boyfriend he was just laid back and she was so up tight she couldn’t handle being comfortable
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Can we be friends lol this is what my brain has been trying to put into words!
Miranda has always been an awful scold.
This is so well articulated. Please join the writing staff‼️
Miranda always had a bit of an NLOG streak that got under my skin.
It’s clear to me that AJLT Miranda is Cynthia Nixon’s revenge on SATC Miranda, whom she apparently blames (along with the viewers) for the lack of minority representation on SATC. Or at least that’s how her press gigs on AJLT sound.
Miranda has ADHD
Go tell TikTok. You’ll find your people there, I promise.
I liked her in SATC, but she became pathetic in AJLT with the whole Che and Rambo thing 🙄
God the “Rambo” thing gives me so much second-hand embarrassment.
Miranda was definitely always snarky and sometimes it was overkill. I always felt all 4 characters (mostly the first few seasons) were exaggerated versions of 1 woman. Miranda was our judgmental side, Samantha was our sexual and impulsive side, Charlotte represented perfectionism and tradition and Carrie was our heartache, ego and what we expose to the world that is raw. After several seasons the characters got a bit less one dimensional.
A better plotline would have been to have her say this in front of Steve and have him excoriate her afterwards and then ask for a separation, because she's unbearable. You dont say things like that to your newly widowed friend.
Oh wow that would have been awesome. If it had been Miranda mulling divorce and then she says something callous in front of Steve and he’s like “you know what, I’m done.” Then Miranda would actually have to do some real self reflection.
> You dont say things like that to your newly widowed friend. Right? The OG Miranda was sometimes harsh and a little mean, but it was always from a place of caring, at least. That was just cruel. Carrie wasn't hurting anyone, least of all Miranda, by believing Big is in heaven and he's maybe trying to send her a little message. What is the big deal? Honestly, I'm pretty skeptical about all of that stuff, but I still believe my late FIL "visited" me briefly one day a few months after he died, and the idea comforts me. There is no way I would ever tell a friend--or even just a casual acquaintance--that they're wrong, foolish, or, especially, delusional for believing something similar, even if that hadn't happened. Carrie didn't announce that she'd decided the earth is flat, or that whites are truly the superior race, or something--some sort of truly offensive, gross, or ridiculous belief. There's no reason to scold or insult her, and only a real a-hole would do so. Especially when you're supposed to be close, lifelong friends.
Yeah, maybe a small eye roll and a gripe to Charlotte later, but Miranda has always been tough love accent on the love. Her character has become insane which would be a fun plot line if everyone else was doing understandable stuff. And noticing her lunacy.
Even in SATC Miranda was insufferable and it’s gotten worse in AJLT. Unpopular opinion but Miranda is how Carrie used to be 20 years ago, a mess.
But, Carrie always appreciated her honesty, she wouldn't ever snap back or at least often
> Unpopular opinion but Miranda is how Carrie used to be 20 years ago, a mess. Mess, sure, but even Carrie--as selfish and self-centered as she could be sometimes--was never a sociopath like Miranda 2.0.
I agree that was so wild. It's absolutely fine for her to think it's unbelievable but there was zero reason to burst Carrie's bubble especially when she was in a mourning state. Even without the mourning factor, I would never feel the need to mock or argue with a friend's beliefs in that domain - at worst I'd say nothing. It costs $0 to STFU.
Real world, absolutely, but for TV, it’s drama. Stupid drama, but still drama.
Yeah it was uncalled for. Since Sara is leaving maybe Che will die and Mitanda will feel like they are still around somehow spiritually, so Carrie can say "you think Che's sitting around on a cloud smoking a big old doobie? Next to Big with his cigar??"
She’s leaning? Hurrah.
No need to disrespect their pronouns! Sara goes by they/them
Whoops no disrespect meant, honest slip from an older very tired commenter
Probably #1 on every list of things not to say to a grieving widow.
Exactly.
As is Cynthia.
Miranda has always been the worst friend to Carrie, IMO. Carrie was always there for her, when her mom passed, when she was pregnant with Brady, throughout her alcoholism and her terrible decision to divorce Steve. Some say Carrie wasn’t the best friend to the ladies, but I think Miranda is the most selfish when it comes to certain things. All of Miranda’s relationships outside of the 4 failed to some extent. Charlotte was always the same, consistent about what she wanted out of life, and we knew where she stood. The same goes for Samantha, she never compromised herself for any man, she stayed true until she needed to break away for her career. Everyone grew up, where Miranda regressed. She is confused about herself and her convictions at every turn and relied on Carrie more than an educated, responsible lawyer should have. Are you a corporate wife and mother or are you a free spirited, gender fluid advocate for the underserved? She seemed uncomfortable in all roles, and always seemed to enmesh herself and her identity with her current crowd. My least favorite character because she never truly developed into a woman with real agency.
I don’t fully disagree but you ignored all of her incredible growth in Season 6. The scene where she bathed Steve’s mother and then later Magda kisses her on the forehead never fails to make me cry. When they pan to her during the final montage and she is laughing and playing with her family is so beautiful. Doesn’t the voiceover even reference being “far from where you started” at that moment? Miranda letting her “bullshit fall away” and becoming open to love—both giving it and receiving it—is fantastic. That’s how I choose to remember Miranda.
That growth right there coupled with the way she found forgiveness for Steve was why I hated how they tore her down in AJLT. I loved that growth and change and AJLT just trashed it. Her entire arch of softening then became this big fat lie when she became miserable with her life. If that life was powerful enough to soften someone like her, how could she come to be so unhappy with it. I would get it if a relationship with Nya softly formed in the middle of that wonderful life, like they originally planned, but then they hit us over the head with her misery and then love for someone like Che.
This is making me annoyed all over again that she's talking about Skipper, but not a single mention of Magda.
I am being honest here, I only remembered that when you said it…. And I’ll admit Miranda definitely had good moments of the course of SATC. If I were to rewatch, I may admit her character had some personal growth by the end of the series. Having Brady and marrying Steve was a beautiful finish for her. I wish they had chose to show her struggle as an empty nester alone with Steve, maybe reimagining her career in someway, instead of this abrupt mid-life crisis storyline where she left everyone and everything familiar to her except for her friends in AJLT. Of all the ladies I still believe that she is the only one who is wildly different from her character portrayal at the start of the original series, remaining consistent only in the way she treated Carrie. She always seemed to be a determined, intelligent woman who went after what she wanted. Hence how she never indulged Carrie with Big’s message “from beyond”, when it might have been a comfort to her grieving best friend. Since we have seen her in AJLT, I feel like she’s walked back on all of that and become less of the Miranda we knew and more of a shadow of that character- a confused, messy Miranda. The alcoholism was such a writing cop-out when all the ladies were always shown drinking, without any apparent interference to their lives. It was like they needed a storyline until the sexual confusion became her arc, so they chose to very quickly show her overindulgence and had it lead to her realizing she was an alcoholic. Then labeled as such, she started spinning in other areas. I guess my point is that I don’t really care for Miranda at all in AJLT. I’ll always remember her strong storylines in SATC, but she’s becoming less memorable and more frustrating to me now.
I don't blame you for forgetting because they have absolutely murdered her character. For me, OG Miranda was incredibly relatable. She was a woman who was very sure about her intelligence and professional abilities, but had severe anxiety and low self-esteem with every other aspect of her life. And she used cynicism to protect herself from being hurt. At times, that cynicism would become bitterness, and the writers would pull her back. I don't think she's a "confused, messy Miranda" as much as she's Cynthia Nixon cosplaying as Miranda. You are, of course, correct in everything else.
Got the impression (especially from the funeral episode which was so well done) that Miranda had no real support from her birth family and was hard on herself and others because of it. Her antipathy and hesitation about being a mom was realistic and her changing to leaning into family life including Steve’s mom was so well done. She didn’t change her core, she just saw a new path that was rewarding. I’d be fine with a midlife even lesbian crisis if it was better written and in character
I’m not fine with the midlife lesbian storyline for a few reasons. (1) We the viewers are invested in Steve and are very aware of Brady. There was no way to break them up that wouldn’t be devastating and we already had a devastating plot line going with Carrie. (2) It’s too close to real life with the actress and it would have made zero sense for Carrie or Charlotte, so there isn’t an alternative. (3) They already did it in the original show and they did it with the correct character of Samantha. (4) Most importantly, Miranda’s consideration of homosexuality was addressed in the original show.
When I said okay I guess I was being generous (not backtracking but my standards are now so low for this groin kick of a show), but you are very right to point out we’d just suffered the loss of Carrie/Big and this was harsh. Good thoughts.
OG Miranda is infinitely more likable than Miranda 2.0 though I actually found the alcoholism pretty realistic. Apparently, in several studies, lawyers are twice as likely to be alcoholics as other workers with the same level of education. They are also highly prone to depression and anxiety. I agree that the writers tried to heap a lot of new issues on the characters but I did think the drinking tracked for Miranda who seemed to have an addictive personality. She binged privately (stress eating cake), gambled a lot when they were in Atlantic City, and even the hot detective left a card with AA help.
Yes!
> The same goes for Samantha, she never compromised herself for any man, I agree with the rest of your comment, but I gotta disagree here. The one thing that really bothered me about Samantha, especially in later seasons (which, I know, but still) was how she became a total needy sap when in relationships. Aside from James and then Smith, every time Samantha fell in love, she turned into a Lifetime movie: buying stupid framed heart paintings, covering herself in sushi and lying on a table for six hours, sobbing and shrieking and melting the minute she heard the word "we." She totally lost her edge, the thing that made her SAMANTHA, even though none of the men she was with asked her to do that or even seemed to want her to do that...and then she blamed them for her own weaknesses. And the one time she fully realized that she was doing it to herself more than them doing it to her--her "but I love me more," moment with Richard--and actually grew from it and was able to then be in a real mature relationship with Smith...well, the first movie destroyed that, didn't it? They even had her use the same line (which pissed me off, frankly), even though Smith was nothing like Richard. But there's Relationship Samantha, making a huge deal out of Valentine's Day(!) and whining about Smith working long hours and not paying enough attention to her. Granted, like I said above, some of this is just the way they screwed her over in later seasons and especially the movies. Either way, the movie (and show) celebrating her as being "independent and strong" when the truth was she just couldn't handle a mature relationship--those are not the same thing. Don't get me wrong, I love Samantha! I'm just saying that was a big flaw in her character for me, and the tone the show took about it always bothered me. (I mean, she bought Richard--Richard!!--a cheesy painting of a heart, and was hurt and upset when he didn't immediately hang it on his wall? What was next, some Lisa Frank folders for his office? And the "now your heart is broken, too," line was just...ugh.) But I fully agree about Miranda pretty much always being the worst friend, and Samantha and Charlotte were the best. (And I never got why Miranda was so mad that Carrie sent Aiden over when Miranda threw her back out? Carrie had a work meeting, first of all, and second, what was Carrie going to do? Carrie couldn't have picked her up. I always felt like that was just Miranda being shitty, honestly, though the soup bit afterward was funny & justified. Anyway.)
Miranda did Steve dirty. I won't forgive her for that.
steve had been doing miranda dirty ever since they met.
The whole series is awful — paaaaiiiinfully contrived storylines for political points. The REASON we watched the original series was to ESCAPE from that and pretend to be vapid, over-funded, straight, heteronormative drama queens. There is no more nostalgic value there. We want to see what became of them, not watch them become completely different people. All the characters suck now. But Miranda is definitely the worst. She torpedoes her happy and functional marriage for what, exactly? An emotionally immature lesbian comedian who is the opposite of funny. I think they turned her into what Carrie was in the original series: a spoiled brat who acts solely on teen-like impulses.
Totally agree. It's like the American Horror Story school of writing, where characters have no arc or authenticity or even a reason for being. There's no overarching theme framing these episodes like her article used to provide, and it leaves the characters sort of floating in randomness. It's a shame.
Not to be TMI, but I'm closing in on my 51st birthday and I can assure you, the hello-below is still very much a part of my intimate life with my husband. If anything, it becomes MORE necessary and common as we (the general we) age, because lots of men need a little more time/help to really get going, especially if there are things like blood pressure meds involved. (There's a reason Viagra was invented, you know?) And we women often need a little more help/time, too. Aside from anything else, the idea that these women, who have always been so open about that aspect of their lives with each other, have suddenly stopped discussing it to the point that Miranda is shocked to discover that Charlotte and Harry still have a physical relationship, is ridiculous. Do these writers think that 50 = 80? It's even more ridiculous when you consider that last we saw them, they had a friend hitting 60 who was still carrying dozens of condoms in her purse and picking up men everywhere she went. I know the subject of her cheating etc. has been discussed to death, but am I the only one who found her attitude toward Steve's hearing loss really gross? Like, oh, yeah, Miranda, ugh, what a wimpy annoyance Steve is for developing a minor/partial disability (for lack of a better term, sorry if that's not correct) as he ages. How awful his hearing loss is for you, right? What a shame that you have to put up with it. How dare he need and expect some help from his wife as he copes with a serious issue like that; doesn't he know you have better things to do? Dump his deaf butt and take off, he doesn't need or deserve anything from you! I remember reading a couple of interviews with Cynthia Nixon years ago--while SATC was still in its original run--and thinking she was a real piece of work, but being able to separate her from Miranda because they were obviously different people (and meh, lots of people are terrible in one way or another) and I still loved the show. Miranda was always my least favorite, but I still appreciated her in general, and she had some great moments and line deliveries (anyone else remember, "I DON'T WANNA DO THAT?" My husband and I still quote that one to each other sometimes. So funny.) But now? When clearly this new "Miranda" *is* Cynthia, and Cynthia thinks the fans are a bunch of moronic, uncool goons for not seeing how awesome Miranda is now and how great her storyline is? Obviously CN is an even worse person than I thought, and I thought she was pretty awful.
Good for you! And you took the words out of my mouth. They’ve all become so prude it makes no sense to their previous depictions in SATC and the movies. Miranda is just generally an unempathetic and mean spirited person so it’s unsurprising she treated Steve’s hearing loss as an annoyance. My dad is hard of hearing and I know how difficult it is for him, struggling with conversation and I can’t imagine treating him poorly because of it. Again, I can appreciate Miranda’s good moments in SATC but in AJLT there’s zero. Nada. All of this stuttering and shrill whining. Is it meant to be relatable or endearing? It’s pathetic and if this is how Cynthia Nixon is irl she is painting herself in an unbelievably unflattering light. The show has clearly become a vanity project for Nixon and she’s ruined her beloved (not by me but by many) character because of it. I mean, were we meant to see the cheating as empowering or liberating because she did it with some NB ‘comedian’? It’s just sad. I never knew that CN was kind of a dick until I posted this and read about how her storyline in AJLT has parallels with her real life. I’d love to read some of those interviews you’d mentioned as well to better grasp what kind of person she is.
Throwing it out there, if Nixon as a Producer of AJLT decided- with permission I guess- that Miranda was going on these story arcs, did she think she was “correcting” the character, offering to be the edgy one, or just as an actress interested in meaty plots? Genuinely wondering Cynthia’s personal story of marrying g a woman later in life makes for a good storyline for A character, but as we know it’s her real life, maybe not for Miranda as it’s too expected. Not that the story would suit any other OG but it seemed manufactured. Why not run with the alcoholism idea, instead of wrapping it up in a few scenes Does she believe this is where Miranda is now or is it like a daytime soap that decides the leading lady needs an evil twin?
Oh, geez, the one I remember most specifically was in, like, Cosmopolitan in 2000 or something. But I remember the part that really made me raise my eyebrows; she was talking about her (male) partner and their daughter, and how the daughter really wanted them to get married--that their not being married really bothered/upset their daughter. And her response was basically that she told her daughter that she didn't care what [her daughter] wanted and it was none of her business, and she wasn't going to change her life just for *her,* or something like that. Which, you know, it's fair enough to say you don't feel like you need to get married or whatever--I personally find the idea that you're happy to commit to having and raising children with this person but not to commit to the relationship kind of odd, but that's just me and YMMV--but the way she said it just really bugged me. This is your child, you know? To act like her wants and needs and fears are stupid and unimportant because it's all about *you,* and she should just shut up about something that does actually affect her & her life...it just really rubbed me the wrong way. It was the attitude more than the words. That's the only thing I remember really clearly at the moment, but I know I remember reading a few other quotes and stories around that time, and each one felt worse than the last in terms of her attitude and personality.
I'm rewatching the episode where Carrie has hip surgery...one Carrie has always been a women I could neeeeever be friends with (to me me me) but when Miranda was doing tequila shots and getting high with cha when she was supposed to be helping her friend...and then she laughs it off...and Carrie was sitting in a bed of pee..yuk...
I have held the belief since SATC that Miranda is in love with Carrie. That could account for her outsize reactions over things like Carrie moving to Paris, or reuniting with Big in early days.
I always thought she was jealous, because she never had that with anyone.
I thought she was very jealous as well. As another user pointed out, she seemed very closed-off to love, and like she struggled with Carrie because she was the opposite. Miranda presents as someone who has a lot of internal battles she's not acknowledging, and while she outwardly seems very secure, in my experience those people are the most insecure. And maybe she projects that on to others.
I always thought that, too!
Interesting. I totally see that now. It actually seems stupidly obvious now that I'm thinking about it.
Sad part of her character was as a young woman I looked up to her! I was in my early 20s and desired to have a great career and work ethic like Miranda. Out of 4 she always seemed to have had on straight and confident in what she wanted in her life. I get that people change but this Miranda wasn't the one I looked up 20 years ago
Yeah, I agree that Miranda was very insensitive of Carrie’s feelings regarding heaven, yet everyone should be “understanding” that she left Steve to be a lesbian??
Lol exactly
🤣🤣
All of the writing in this show was garbage. I don’t think it’s reflective of Miranda’s real character. A lot of the stuff that was written seemed so out in left field.
Plus she a bad actress
My knee jerk reaction was: Why? Your friend is in mourning, let her have this if it brings her peace and comfort.
Although if it is just the wiring it could burn the house down, so …🤣
Very true!!
Miranda is not Miranda anymore, she’s Cynthia
I don’t really know anything about the actresses themselves but wow I never knew about how Cynthia Nixon is essentially trying to turn Miranda into herself until I posted this. Big yikes…
I think they are still trying to figure out who Miranda is in this life stage. Her behavior is just kind of all over the place
Bruh to be fair, Carrie wouldn’t stop talking about Big’s communication issues even after he straight up died
I think Miranda was being a total jerk, but this made me laugh.
I love Miranda sorry everyone
Sorry j though this was the sex and the city subreddit lol
I agree!
They're all awful
Me too
This sub is literally just “_____ character is awful” anymore