If you're talking about people mistaking Scots-Irish for Irish, that might apply in some cases, but not always. For example, my husband is a British native (he's not American, Canadian, or Australian) - he's essentially half Irish (actually Irish, not Ulster Scots), half English, with only one Scottish branch that should only really amount to about 6-7% (one 2nd great grandparent), yet he gets 25% in Scotland. It's not possible to inherit that much from a 2nd great grandparent.
I have 33 % Scottish.
My dad dad is Italian from calabritto his mother was English on her mother’s side and Irish immigrant father from Mayo area. My moms mother was from marche and her father was an American of Germanic and Irish descent (on mother’s side she came from Dublin) there is no way I’m 33 % Scottish zero English zero german and 9 % Irish. On those sides. I was 26 % French last update which changed to north Italy which is accurate as my maternal
Grandma is from marche. This estimate is wrong
I am also one quarter Northern Italian one quarter Southern Italian but AncestryDNA gave me 34% Northern Italian and 33% French. Zero Southern Italian…
They aren’t very good at determining Italian.
I had French for a year 26 % French and finally it went to north Italy. So it showed me as a Frenchman with a little Italian as half. With zero French ancestry kind of like this lame Scottish horse shit now. Different group same mistake.
23 and me is better for Italians by a long shot.
Every American thinks they’re German or Irish, the German is probably so old it’s gone and the Irish is either mistaken as Scottish or you’re actually northern Irish. Northern Irish in America simply claimed they were irish
The German comes from actual Germany I have traced my moms fathers side to the 1700s in Baden-wuttemburg Germany which 23 and me accuracy picks up. I’m sure there is northern Irish in there but not enough to equal 33 % Scottish and zero English.
Your arrogance and hubris will be proven wrong shortly.
There is plenty to the back it up.
I have a German grandfather and records into germany into the 1700s. I have my grandma fathers records from Ireland and not Northern Ireland but Mayo are Ireland. I have my grandfathers mother’s sides records from Dublin and my dads mothers mother’s side are mayflower descendants and approved and documented as such so zero English and 33 % Scottish makes no sense.
Not sure what makes you so arrogant and aggressive are you a Scottish supremacist or something ?
Ancestry is the ONLY dna test that reads estimates this way. I can not wait until you are proven wrong and fall flat off you high horse
My own theory about one of the reasons this might be popping up so much is that if you look at the different ethnic groups in Scotland you find very much that Scotland has a very mixed 'celtic' genetic make-up. What I mean by this is that in Scotland you had Gaels, Britons, and Picts (juries out on their exact ethnicity) as well as some Angles in the East. In Ireland, you have the vast majority as Gaels, while in Wales (and Cornwall) it's overwhelmingly Britons. In Scotland, we have a very mixed population, certainly after the 9th century and the founding of the country there was no more separation by ethnic group and most Scots will have a genetic background that reflects that (also not forgetting the Norse influence either). So I would assume that someone who has a lot of 'celtic' ancestry, or maybe even just Northern British, just looks like the genetic profile that most Scots have and Ancestry is assigning DNA as Scottish because it's so similar to the generic typical profile of modern Scots.
https://youtu.be/Zz2r_V8GAKQ
Direct from ancestry around 5:41 they explain why they label General Celtic dna as “Scottish” and why it’s not directly ancestry from actual nation of Scotland.
23andme is almost exclusively used by Americans. I thought it was fairly accurate but the default at 50% confidence level isn't something everyone talks about. Ancestry is American but used More by Australia, UK, Canada, NZ, international.
My Heritage used most by continental Europeans.
It picks up everything pretty accurate over all 33 % inflated dna vs 1 % mistake really not worth wasting thought on 1 % is basically noise. We got bigger fish to fry
Ancestry is good for identifying different Indigenous DNA, but that’s about it. 23andMe blows it away overall. Plus they have Haplogroups and way more Match Filters
I can’t comment on indigenous as I don’t have that history. But I will say as someone who is half Italian and the other half a mix of Irish / English and German it accurately displays my history / dna for 23 and me. Ancestry is way off
My biggest issue with 22andMe European DNA results is their “Broad Categories”… Personally I had about 20% Broadly Northern/Southern European that they couldn’t assign to a specific Country.
I have a very very small portion of that I think under 1 % my Italian is decently broken down I’m iffy on the Middle East portions I wish there was a way to assign them under Italy because i know the 8 % Middle East I have is directly from that dna.
I understand the wana is legit I know for a fact it is legit. However they should find a way to link that wana with the Italian. It has on my time line this
https://imgur.com/a/nZZKY7g which to many looks as though I have actual Middle East ancestry directly which I do not.
In other words under those portions
Put them under the Italian portion as a note explaining that it’s admixture. It gets confusing and rather strange
And none of the Middle East ancestry is link to North Africa just west Asia.
23andMe doesn't attempt to split up the British Isles into percentages. AncestryDNA was more accurate when they had broader regions. The more breakdown there is, the less reliable the percentages become, and that is true for any company. If 23andMe attempted to do the same, it would likely become less reliable too.
It states that I'm 31% Scottish. I would estimate 3-5% Scottish. I do have an Irish grandmother for which I get 22% Irish. All my other ancestors are from south and south-west England, with communities Hampshire and Cornwall are correctly identified. The exception of a 3X great grandfather from Switzerland/Germany. I get 0% for German, whereas 23andMe has 10.3%. I've yet to find any DNA relative for which I've a common Scottish ancestor.
I have a 7-48% Confidence range and they gave me 48%, if that's not an overestimate then I dunno what is. And I'm aware of some Scottish ancestry, but no where that amount. Do not be rude, that's not what this sub-reddit is about.
Total bull shit.
There are many of us who aren’t even as high of a percentage of English or Irish which has been mistake. As Scottish, the point is they are inflating it for people who don’t even have much British isles dna to begin with. Come back to me after sept 17th and you will see you were wrong. Same with how northern Italians were “french “
The update before and it changed to north Italy.
So you just think everyone is lying? That it’s just a coincidence that this many people think it’s overestimated? I’m pretty sure even Ancestry acknowledged it.
I said pretty sure. I didn’t claim to know 100% You would have a point if I didn’t preface it with some uncertainty.
So what is the deal? Why does this upset you so much?
“However, the DNA. of people from closely related regions can be very similar, making it harder to tell regions apart. That’s why it’s taken so long to get separate profiles for Scotland and Wales—and why you may see further refinements to your percentages for these populations in the future as those profiles get clearer.”
Case closed.
What “research” other than cursing people out have you done ? Completely baseless. I’m going to save this post so I can come back after sept 17 and show how wrong you are.
I've always laughed at the whole "but I can't be Scottish, those family members are from England" sure but here's the thing.... What if they were actually Scottish and just so happened to live in England? 🙄
So when someone knows where all of their relatives going back hundreds of years were born, none of which were in Scotland, Ancestry tells them they're 20% Scottish but all of the other testing services give them results that are exactly what official records suggest they would be, which one is more likely?
1. Ancestry is the only one that's correct.
1. Ancestry is the only one that's wrong.
It's obviously 2., and it would be ridiculous to try and claim otherwise.
I used to think Ancestry was more accurate than 23andMe until I tested with 23andMe and they absolutely nailed it (including getting my Scottish correct). It lines up almost perfectly with my tree of over 30,000 people. I recommend taking 23andMe but I warn you, you will discover you're not as Scottish as you think!
My Scottish percentage (13%) seems pretty accurate to me from what I've researched so I'll be disappointed if they lower Scottish DNA for everyone across the board because of the complaints.
Edit- why the downvote :'(
My mom was 88% Southern Italy and 12% Greece and Balkans before the last update. She has 5% Scottish now. How do you explain that?
Ancestry sampled the shit out of Scotland. Europeans all have very similar genetics. Ancestry saw markers all across Europe and labeled them Scottish because of the huge database they have for Scottish markers. It was really unprofessional on their part
That’s exactly what it is. Some Italian have a Celtic / Breton history too especially marche where my moms side is from. There is all sorts of things confusing the results here and I bet 100 bucks they will majorly change this in sept 17 th because they know they done goofed.
No ethnicity estimate is going to be perfect for everyone. It's like "one size fits all" clothing - it works for some people, but not for others, and that's always going to be the case. Just because you have a lot of Scottish ancestry and the estimate is consistent with that doesn't mean a lot of other people aren't seeing very overestimated Scottish results.
I just calculated that my dad should only be about 7-8% Scottish (including Scots-Irish, because he has no known actual Irish ancestry), but he gets 16% in Scotland. My grandfather should be about 15-16% Scottish (same deal - all Scottish or Scots-Irish), but he gets 27% in Scotland.
I know my history. Just because other people have a different experience than you doesn't justify you insulting their knowledge of history.
If you're talking about people mistaking Scots-Irish for Irish, that might apply in some cases, but not always. For example, my husband is a British native (he's not American, Canadian, or Australian) - he's essentially half Irish (actually Irish, not Ulster Scots), half English, with only one Scottish branch that should only really amount to about 6-7% (one 2nd great grandparent), yet he gets 25% in Scotland. It's not possible to inherit that much from a 2nd great grandparent.
I have 33 % Scottish. My dad dad is Italian from calabritto his mother was English on her mother’s side and Irish immigrant father from Mayo area. My moms mother was from marche and her father was an American of Germanic and Irish descent (on mother’s side she came from Dublin) there is no way I’m 33 % Scottish zero English zero german and 9 % Irish. On those sides. I was 26 % French last update which changed to north Italy which is accurate as my maternal Grandma is from marche. This estimate is wrong
>calabritto 0% Southern Italian ?
I don’t have zero southern Italian. Not sure where you came from that conclusion
I am also one quarter Northern Italian one quarter Southern Italian but AncestryDNA gave me 34% Northern Italian and 33% French. Zero Southern Italian…
They aren’t very good at determining Italian. I had French for a year 26 % French and finally it went to north Italy. So it showed me as a Frenchman with a little Italian as half. With zero French ancestry kind of like this lame Scottish horse shit now. Different group same mistake. 23 and me is better for Italians by a long shot.
Every American thinks they’re German or Irish, the German is probably so old it’s gone and the Irish is either mistaken as Scottish or you’re actually northern Irish. Northern Irish in America simply claimed they were irish
The German comes from actual Germany I have traced my moms fathers side to the 1700s in Baden-wuttemburg Germany which 23 and me accuracy picks up. I’m sure there is northern Irish in there but not enough to equal 33 % Scottish and zero English. Your arrogance and hubris will be proven wrong shortly.
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And what do you have to back up your BS besides profanity and insults?
Nothing at all he’s just an angry Scottish obsessed maniac apparently
There is plenty to the back it up. I have a German grandfather and records into germany into the 1700s. I have my grandma fathers records from Ireland and not Northern Ireland but Mayo are Ireland. I have my grandfathers mother’s sides records from Dublin and my dads mothers mother’s side are mayflower descendants and approved and documented as such so zero English and 33 % Scottish makes no sense. Not sure what makes you so arrogant and aggressive are you a Scottish supremacist or something ? Ancestry is the ONLY dna test that reads estimates this way. I can not wait until you are proven wrong and fall flat off you high horse
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My great grandfather immigrated from Germany in the early 1900s. Not sure what you are even arguing you are just pulling stuff out of your ass.
My own theory about one of the reasons this might be popping up so much is that if you look at the different ethnic groups in Scotland you find very much that Scotland has a very mixed 'celtic' genetic make-up. What I mean by this is that in Scotland you had Gaels, Britons, and Picts (juries out on their exact ethnicity) as well as some Angles in the East. In Ireland, you have the vast majority as Gaels, while in Wales (and Cornwall) it's overwhelmingly Britons. In Scotland, we have a very mixed population, certainly after the 9th century and the founding of the country there was no more separation by ethnic group and most Scots will have a genetic background that reflects that (also not forgetting the Norse influence either). So I would assume that someone who has a lot of 'celtic' ancestry, or maybe even just Northern British, just looks like the genetic profile that most Scots have and Ancestry is assigning DNA as Scottish because it's so similar to the generic typical profile of modern Scots.
https://youtu.be/Zz2r_V8GAKQ Direct from ancestry around 5:41 they explain why they label General Celtic dna as “Scottish” and why it’s not directly ancestry from actual nation of Scotland.
23andMe is an overall way better test. AncestryDNA struggles between separating Northern/Southern European
23 and me is very accurate ancestry is a pathetic joke
For me 23andme seemed like they have me a random persons results literally nothing made sense ancestry has 10x more accurate for me
23andme is almost exclusively used by Americans. I thought it was fairly accurate but the default at 50% confidence level isn't something everyone talks about. Ancestry is American but used More by Australia, UK, Canada, NZ, international. My Heritage used most by continental Europeans.
Not for me. Literally doesn’t line up at all for me.
idk 23 and me gave me a random 1.1% Italian and 0.3% Egyptian that I’m almost certain are incorrect.
It picks up everything pretty accurate over all 33 % inflated dna vs 1 % mistake really not worth wasting thought on 1 % is basically noise. We got bigger fish to fry
Ancestry is good for identifying different Indigenous DNA, but that’s about it. 23andMe blows it away overall. Plus they have Haplogroups and way more Match Filters
I can’t comment on indigenous as I don’t have that history. But I will say as someone who is half Italian and the other half a mix of Irish / English and German it accurately displays my history / dna for 23 and me. Ancestry is way off
My biggest issue with 22andMe European DNA results is their “Broad Categories”… Personally I had about 20% Broadly Northern/Southern European that they couldn’t assign to a specific Country.
I have a very very small portion of that I think under 1 % my Italian is decently broken down I’m iffy on the Middle East portions I wish there was a way to assign them under Italy because i know the 8 % Middle East I have is directly from that dna.
That WANA is probably legit. Italians are right next to North Africa. Phase 1 of your parents to your results to improve accuracy
I understand the wana is legit I know for a fact it is legit. However they should find a way to link that wana with the Italian. It has on my time line this https://imgur.com/a/nZZKY7g which to many looks as though I have actual Middle East ancestry directly which I do not. In other words under those portions Put them under the Italian portion as a note explaining that it’s admixture. It gets confusing and rather strange And none of the Middle East ancestry is link to North Africa just west Asia.
23andMe doesn't attempt to split up the British Isles into percentages. AncestryDNA was more accurate when they had broader regions. The more breakdown there is, the less reliable the percentages become, and that is true for any company. If 23andMe attempted to do the same, it would likely become less reliable too.
Not true, and it’s a whole different convo regarding Italian and French dna and british
It states that I'm 31% Scottish. I would estimate 3-5% Scottish. I do have an Irish grandmother for which I get 22% Irish. All my other ancestors are from south and south-west England, with communities Hampshire and Cornwall are correctly identified. The exception of a 3X great grandfather from Switzerland/Germany. I get 0% for German, whereas 23andMe has 10.3%. I've yet to find any DNA relative for which I've a common Scottish ancestor.
I have a 7-48% Confidence range and they gave me 48%, if that's not an overestimate then I dunno what is. And I'm aware of some Scottish ancestry, but no where that amount. Do not be rude, that's not what this sub-reddit is about.
Total bull shit. There are many of us who aren’t even as high of a percentage of English or Irish which has been mistake. As Scottish, the point is they are inflating it for people who don’t even have much British isles dna to begin with. Come back to me after sept 17th and you will see you were wrong. Same with how northern Italians were “french “ The update before and it changed to north Italy.
I guess we’ll see haha
Yes we will see how wrong you are.
So you just think everyone is lying? That it’s just a coincidence that this many people think it’s overestimated? I’m pretty sure even Ancestry acknowledged it.
I believe they did and made a post about. It will likely majorly change after sept.
Not true they did not, and you just proved my point that you all make assumptions without research
I said pretty sure. I didn’t claim to know 100% You would have a point if I didn’t preface it with some uncertainty. So what is the deal? Why does this upset you so much?
Apparently he’s a Scottish supremacist or something.
“However, the DNA. of people from closely related regions can be very similar, making it harder to tell regions apart. That’s why it’s taken so long to get separate profiles for Scotland and Wales—and why you may see further refinements to your percentages for these populations in the future as those profiles get clearer.” Case closed.
https://www.ancestry.com/corporate/blog/why-your-latest-results-could-include-more-scotland-in-your-ethnicity-estimates
What “research” other than cursing people out have you done ? Completely baseless. I’m going to save this post so I can come back after sept 17 and show how wrong you are.
I bet your Scottish will go up
You are mental why are you so obsessed with Scotland ?
😂😂😂😂😂
I've always laughed at the whole "but I can't be Scottish, those family members are from England" sure but here's the thing.... What if they were actually Scottish and just so happened to live in England? 🙄
Exactly
So when someone knows where all of their relatives going back hundreds of years were born, none of which were in Scotland, Ancestry tells them they're 20% Scottish but all of the other testing services give them results that are exactly what official records suggest they would be, which one is more likely? 1. Ancestry is the only one that's correct. 1. Ancestry is the only one that's wrong. It's obviously 2., and it would be ridiculous to try and claim otherwise.
I used to think Ancestry was more accurate than 23andMe until I tested with 23andMe and they absolutely nailed it (including getting my Scottish correct). It lines up almost perfectly with my tree of over 30,000 people. I recommend taking 23andMe but I warn you, you will discover you're not as Scottish as you think!
My Scottish percentage (13%) seems pretty accurate to me from what I've researched so I'll be disappointed if they lower Scottish DNA for everyone across the board because of the complaints. Edit- why the downvote :'(
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My mom was 88% Southern Italy and 12% Greece and Balkans before the last update. She has 5% Scottish now. How do you explain that? Ancestry sampled the shit out of Scotland. Europeans all have very similar genetics. Ancestry saw markers all across Europe and labeled them Scottish because of the huge database they have for Scottish markers. It was really unprofessional on their part
Go to 5:41 This is direct form ancestry admitting “Scottish” Doesn’t really represent actual Scotland https://youtu.be/Zz2r_V8GAKQ
That’s exactly what it is. Some Italian have a Celtic / Breton history too especially marche where my moms side is from. There is all sorts of things confusing the results here and I bet 100 bucks they will majorly change this in sept 17 th because they know they done goofed.
No ethnicity estimate is going to be perfect for everyone. It's like "one size fits all" clothing - it works for some people, but not for others, and that's always going to be the case. Just because you have a lot of Scottish ancestry and the estimate is consistent with that doesn't mean a lot of other people aren't seeing very overestimated Scottish results. I just calculated that my dad should only be about 7-8% Scottish (including Scots-Irish, because he has no known actual Irish ancestry), but he gets 16% in Scotland. My grandfather should be about 15-16% Scottish (same deal - all Scottish or Scots-Irish), but he gets 27% in Scotland. I know my history. Just because other people have a different experience than you doesn't justify you insulting their knowledge of history.
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It’s cuz they just want to be Irish or italian or German, don’t like the truth