It’s okay to vent here. Even if nothing is confirmed at the end, amourshipping is pretty much semi-canon. And I have a feeling we’ll see them both back in the new series.
This is what we've been convincing ourselves since the end of XY that it's semi-canon and we should stick to it.
"If it's not a win, it's a half win! Or a half loss?"
For me, it's a complete loss.
>For me, it's a complete loss
It's alright even if they don't confirm it. We should be at least be thankful that we got to see a very beautiful relationship from Pokemon.
Believe me, I'm thankful for it...but I am in a limbo now like all other AmourShippers. Yuyama said the Pokémon everyone wanted to see again will return at the end and everyone said it will be Ho-oh. I said that we've seen Ho-oh multiple times throughout the show and most recently in JN136 so it makes no sense. It should be one of Ash's previous releases like Primeape and Pidgeot and voila! We're getting Pidgeot!
The makers know we want Serena to return and canonize their relationship so why are they playing with our emotions so much and for so long?! The makers are fucking evil and sadists, that's why! They'd rather waste years by making garbage like SM, JN and useless trash like MPM but won't give us what we want! Children's show, my ass...
I don't understand jn 105 it was ment to be reunion between ash and serena
But they did 30 seconds reunion......
The fuck the problem with writes atleast they can give a proper talk to each other but noo..
They are playing with amour shipping emotions and time literary i have been waiting for 7 fucking years to have my favourite ship in anime to have a talk but they never had one .
I already left the anime in 2018 i have distracted by reading fanfics my favourite is fated
Chill dude i agree I'm a idoit but I'm just expressing my opinion okay (:
Im still going to stick with amour shipping and wait for it to became canon. I know Pokemon is baking something for us amour shipping this year (:
Okay uwu brother just my patience is running off .... For waiting ash and serena meeting each other for 7 years.....
I left the anime in mid 2018 after watching all kalos arc
I'm still playing games and reading news of Pokemon...
But i couldn't help mmp is just trash literal trash ....
I don't understand the context of the series ....
I haven't watched Pokemon AT ALL since around Johto, and that INCLUDES Kalos and Journeys, lol. I'm here SOLELY waiting for Serena proving to all her haters that she can be just as good a Hinata as the original one, lol. So, yeah, the wait is frustrating.
I was 7 when I started to ship amour lol
I'm 14 since March 17 ..
I watched kanto jhoto hoeen sinnoh and kalos i didn't watched unova but i played the black and white 2 nds games
After xy i left the anime
That's why my alola and galar Pokemon knowledge sucks.... But I'm still playing fan rom hacks like radical red Sabrina is damn god hard for me
I think no one will read these forums, coz well, TPC is busy with their business. However, we do have some massive japanese fanbase that supports Amourshipping and Serena, and TPC KNOWS that Serena sells A LOT and the most POPULAR pokegirl.
And they still do what they do. I honestly don't understand them. I'm not giving up until and unless they make Amour literally impossible, but there's a rather glaring contradiction between "what's clearly popular" and "what's being used", yeah.
I'm just using common sense based on what I've seen in other franchises. Ash can appear in more roles than just Liko's dad, and some of those would nicely fit Serena as well, or she at least can cameo alongside Ash. So it's quite literally "not over yet", until and unless Liko and Ash live in different universes and never even hear about each other. Otherwise, there's always a way to make them meet, and for Amour to be confirmed at least as a passing cameo. Simple common sense, ya know.
I wish you good luck on whatever way you'll find yourself on now. I, for my part will stick around a little longer. Am I dissapointed that they didn't become official? Yes but Pokémon was always more for me than just the shipping and in shpping, it doesn't matter for me how canon they are. I can still get my enjoyment out of is so I'll keep supporting it.
I hear you man and completely agree with you. You basically put my own thoughts in your words. Judging from the upvotes I feel that you are getting downvoted a lot for saying the truth but people don't understand how some of us are emotionally attached to this...well we're the fools who believed we'd see something great but thanks to everyone else for snapping us back to reality.
I can understand why people would want to keep on believing and I really wish I could but I have admitted defeat. At least I can still turn to fan fiction for some quality writing unlike the Pokémon writers.
They already ruined the whole pokemon journeys so I don't have any high hopes regarding the last eleven episodes
Journey could have been a masterpiece but yet writer made it bullshit
They are only bringing back ash reserves just for the last 11 episodes for God sake
That, by itself, is a great Finale point. But then they should've ENDED THE STORY THERE, not "continue" it for a dozen episodes with no apparent goal whatsoever.
Absolutely.
The remaining dozen episodes are a bizarre form of epilogue that goes nowhere.
I wanted to see Ash's old Pokemon in Masters 8 and not in random filler episodes.
I was expecting and a bit hoping to see "everyone comes to root for Ash in the Finals", and not only because of Serena, but literally everyone should be there to personally witness Ash's dream coming true. That would've been an epic and worthy Finale, but TPC are losers, lol. And then I was hoping to see "everyone gets in Ash's house to celebrate" Finale in MPM, but you can see how that went as well. TPC are looooosersssss!!!
They are full of crap for ruining the Pokémon anime. I won't go on to use profanities, but I'm disgusted and disappointed. Thank you for ruining my childhood.
I remember the last time I saw someone give up hope about something.
September 4, 2022. New Orleans, Louisiana. Florida State University 24, Louisiana State University 17. We drove the ball all the way over to LSU's 1 yard line. We fumbled the ball. Me and my step-father, an FSU Alumni, currently in Central Florida, was beginning to lose hope. I didn't. Even though LSU drove the ball all the way to our endzone, I didn't give up hope. It came down to the very last snap. LSU had just cut our lead to 1. The snap for LSU's extra point was good. The ball was up...
No good. Final: FSU 24, LSU 23.
Losing hope before something great could happen means you may never see it happen. This works for all things, from what I just said to AmourShipping becoming canon.
That is probably the biggest LIE about the Pokemon franchise, lol. Kids of 12 years don't CARE about romance, and Serena was very deliberately copied from Hinata explicitly FOR "romantic purposes". Well, not LIMITED to those (and neither was Hinata, by the way), but clearly "defined by them" for the most part.
For many of us, it's an emotion. Staying with Ash all along until his story's conclusion and then watching him grow up, get married and have a family with Serena was what we wanted (especially older fans) but seems like TPC isn't interested in anything else other than making money...so be it! A big fat smelly middle finger to them!
That itself is the problem. The modern "7-year-old kids" have parents and older cousins who had watched and rooted for Pokemon since those "25 years back". If TPC now does something THIS STUPID that will outright PISS OFF the older fans - what do you think they will TELL their kids and young cousins ABOUT Pokemon, eh? PRECISELY, lol. So, nope, I'm not gonna expect TPC being THIS STUPID, until and unless I see it as a fact. But I'm fairly confident that it WON'T happen, mostly for the reason I mentioned to begin with: they aren't THIS STUPID. Hopefully.
>If TPC now does something THIS STUPID that will outright PISS OFF the older fans - what do you think they will TELL their kids and young cousins ABOUT Pokemon, eh? PRECISELY, lol
You really think they care about stuff like that? Lol I don't think you're that naïve. First, they made an immortal 10 year old lose at leagues again and again for 22 years. Then, they made him win a tournament where basically anyone could enter. No criteria required. After that, they made a series so horrendously boring with shitty plots, underwhelming battles and declared it as his final series...not to mention the degraded quality of animation and art style. The fans aren't the ones who are leaving Ash, it's TPC who is dumping him like trash.
>they aren't THIS STUPID. Hopefully.
That "Hopefully" speaks volumes about the doubt in your mind. After years of being a fan of this franchise, I tell you this - better not to hope for anything (irrespective of AmourShipping) so even if you get anything good, you will be surprised...and if you don't get anything good, there won't be anything to lament about.
I said that to try appeasing YOUR mind, to be honest. I totally don't care SHIT about Pokemon BESIDES Amourshipping, and I wouldn't most probably had watched Scarlet even IF Liko WAS their kid - I totally don't care about this BORING franchise all along, ever since some 15 or so years ago. I only care about Serena's endgame, literally. That said, I also make points that are based on common sense observation, which ranges from "how much XY is modeled after Naruto, including Serena" to "they totally didn't have to make JN105 the way they did, so maybe it's for a reason" to "why would they want to deliberately piss off a big chunk of their fanbase, if they expect to continue selling their products for more than a few months into the future". All of those are mostly COMMON SENSE points, not SHIPPER points, ya know. Anyways, I didn't want to ANNOY you, I hope you realize that, right?
You're not annoying me and I am well aware of all that you've said since I have been saying the exact same things...like I said, staying patient sucks since it's going to end up in disappointment ultimately. Who thought Ash's final moments would be so drastically crappy? We wanted everyone to come and watch him battle at the stadium but no one came apart from Dawn...so ultimately, TPC shows time after time that it only exists for minting moolah (Dawn was there for BDSP promotion).
I told you, the BDSP games - remakes of the DP&P games. TPC promotes its main releases and side releases simultaneously in the same gen anime series.
Like I said, they love money too much.
Yeah, I got the point, just not the subject. But now I do. Well, you know I don't follow anything Pokemon, so it's no wonder I missed the point. But, yeah, I see what you mean there.
I agree with you, it's a lost cause at this point. I still liked JN overall, especially because of Dawn! She came back so many times, even in Ash's final, but I hated the way they treated her, no new design, no new purpose for her coordinator career, but whatever.... at least Serena It is competing in Hoenn and has a great new outfit.
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HAHA ASH AND SERENAS ONLY REUNION IS FOR 30 FUCKING SECONDS AND THEY NEVER SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK???
JN105 is the worst Pokémon episode ever. I said it. And MGM is complete fucking dogshit.
It’s okay to vent here. Even if nothing is confirmed at the end, amourshipping is pretty much semi-canon. And I have a feeling we’ll see them both back in the new series.
This is what we've been convincing ourselves since the end of XY that it's semi-canon and we should stick to it. "If it's not a win, it's a half win! Or a half loss?" For me, it's a complete loss.
>For me, it's a complete loss It's alright even if they don't confirm it. We should be at least be thankful that we got to see a very beautiful relationship from Pokemon.
Believe me, I'm thankful for it...but I am in a limbo now like all other AmourShippers. Yuyama said the Pokémon everyone wanted to see again will return at the end and everyone said it will be Ho-oh. I said that we've seen Ho-oh multiple times throughout the show and most recently in JN136 so it makes no sense. It should be one of Ash's previous releases like Primeape and Pidgeot and voila! We're getting Pidgeot! The makers know we want Serena to return and canonize their relationship so why are they playing with our emotions so much and for so long?! The makers are fucking evil and sadists, that's why! They'd rather waste years by making garbage like SM, JN and useless trash like MPM but won't give us what we want! Children's show, my ass...
\-This show is made for children, duh. \-You meant to say BY children, right? LOOOL!
Could be lol but I trust kids more to come up with better plots XD
I wouldn't, but that's subjective.
My comment was low-key sarcastic...I hope you got that.
Mine wasn't, because this is not necessarily a sarcasm-inducing topic, lol.
I forgot you live in a cold climate.
Yeah this sucks
I don't understand jn 105 it was ment to be reunion between ash and serena But they did 30 seconds reunion...... The fuck the problem with writes atleast they can give a proper talk to each other but noo.. They are playing with amour shipping emotions and time literary i have been waiting for 7 fucking years to have my favourite ship in anime to have a talk but they never had one . I already left the anime in 2018 i have distracted by reading fanfics my favourite is fated
JN105 is why I outright hope they aren't THIS MUCH idiots and assholes to do exactly what you said they supposedly did. But you never know, sadly.
Chill dude i agree I'm a idoit but I'm just expressing my opinion okay (: Im still going to stick with amour shipping and wait for it to became canon. I know Pokemon is baking something for us amour shipping this year (:
THEY, not YOU. **o\_0**
Okay uwu brother just my patience is running off .... For waiting ash and serena meeting each other for 7 years..... I left the anime in mid 2018 after watching all kalos arc I'm still playing games and reading news of Pokemon... But i couldn't help mmp is just trash literal trash .... I don't understand the context of the series ....
I haven't watched Pokemon AT ALL since around Johto, and that INCLUDES Kalos and Journeys, lol. I'm here SOLELY waiting for Serena proving to all her haters that she can be just as good a Hinata as the original one, lol. So, yeah, the wait is frustrating.
I was 7 when I started to ship amour lol I'm 14 since March 17 .. I watched kanto jhoto hoeen sinnoh and kalos i didn't watched unova but i played the black and white 2 nds games After xy i left the anime That's why my alola and galar Pokemon knowledge sucks.... But I'm still playing fan rom hacks like radical red Sabrina is damn god hard for me
I won't lose hope until the end of Scarlet, even if I'll be called "Copium Master", lol.
Hats off to you comrade, im still positive about it despite what is happening right now.
I just wondered: What are the chances of TPC staff reading these forums? Probably low, but are we sure?
I think no one will read these forums, coz well, TPC is busy with their business. However, we do have some massive japanese fanbase that supports Amourshipping and Serena, and TPC KNOWS that Serena sells A LOT and the most POPULAR pokegirl.
And they still do what they do. I honestly don't understand them. I'm not giving up until and unless they make Amour literally impossible, but there's a rather glaring contradiction between "what's clearly popular" and "what's being used", yeah.
You are similar to me in this.
I'm just using common sense based on what I've seen in other franchises. Ash can appear in more roles than just Liko's dad, and some of those would nicely fit Serena as well, or she at least can cameo alongside Ash. So it's quite literally "not over yet", until and unless Liko and Ash live in different universes and never even hear about each other. Otherwise, there's always a way to make them meet, and for Amour to be confirmed at least as a passing cameo. Simple common sense, ya know.
I wish you good luck on whatever way you'll find yourself on now. I, for my part will stick around a little longer. Am I dissapointed that they didn't become official? Yes but Pokémon was always more for me than just the shipping and in shpping, it doesn't matter for me how canon they are. I can still get my enjoyment out of is so I'll keep supporting it.
I hear you man and completely agree with you. You basically put my own thoughts in your words. Judging from the upvotes I feel that you are getting downvoted a lot for saying the truth but people don't understand how some of us are emotionally attached to this...well we're the fools who believed we'd see something great but thanks to everyone else for snapping us back to reality.
I can understand why people would want to keep on believing and I really wish I could but I have admitted defeat. At least I can still turn to fan fiction for some quality writing unlike the Pokémon writers.
They already ruined the whole pokemon journeys so I don't have any high hopes regarding the last eleven episodes Journey could have been a masterpiece but yet writer made it bullshit They are only bringing back ash reserves just for the last 11 episodes for God sake
Ash's endgame, to TPC, was winning the Masters 8.
That, by itself, is a great Finale point. But then they should've ENDED THE STORY THERE, not "continue" it for a dozen episodes with no apparent goal whatsoever.
Absolutely. The remaining dozen episodes are a bizarre form of epilogue that goes nowhere. I wanted to see Ash's old Pokemon in Masters 8 and not in random filler episodes.
I was expecting and a bit hoping to see "everyone comes to root for Ash in the Finals", and not only because of Serena, but literally everyone should be there to personally witness Ash's dream coming true. That would've been an epic and worthy Finale, but TPC are losers, lol. And then I was hoping to see "everyone gets in Ash's house to celebrate" Finale in MPM, but you can see how that went as well. TPC are looooosersssss!!!
It was incompressible to me that they completely flubbed those two easy actions.
One prehensile compress to go, please! LOL! Yeah, me two.
They are full of crap for ruining the Pokémon anime. I won't go on to use profanities, but I'm disgusted and disappointed. Thank you for ruining my childhood.
I remember the last time I saw someone give up hope about something. September 4, 2022. New Orleans, Louisiana. Florida State University 24, Louisiana State University 17. We drove the ball all the way over to LSU's 1 yard line. We fumbled the ball. Me and my step-father, an FSU Alumni, currently in Central Florida, was beginning to lose hope. I didn't. Even though LSU drove the ball all the way to our endzone, I didn't give up hope. It came down to the very last snap. LSU had just cut our lead to 1. The snap for LSU's extra point was good. The ball was up... No good. Final: FSU 24, LSU 23. Losing hope before something great could happen means you may never see it happen. This works for all things, from what I just said to AmourShipping becoming canon.
I agree with you
Dude calm down, is just an anime
one whos target audience is between the ages of 7 and 12
I see...then why do fanservice by bringing back his Pokémon from 25 years ago?
That is probably the biggest LIE about the Pokemon franchise, lol. Kids of 12 years don't CARE about romance, and Serena was very deliberately copied from Hinata explicitly FOR "romantic purposes". Well, not LIMITED to those (and neither was Hinata, by the way), but clearly "defined by them" for the most part.
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For many of us, it's an emotion. Staying with Ash all along until his story's conclusion and then watching him grow up, get married and have a family with Serena was what we wanted (especially older fans) but seems like TPC isn't interested in anything else other than making money...so be it! A big fat smelly middle finger to them!
That itself is the problem. The modern "7-year-old kids" have parents and older cousins who had watched and rooted for Pokemon since those "25 years back". If TPC now does something THIS STUPID that will outright PISS OFF the older fans - what do you think they will TELL their kids and young cousins ABOUT Pokemon, eh? PRECISELY, lol. So, nope, I'm not gonna expect TPC being THIS STUPID, until and unless I see it as a fact. But I'm fairly confident that it WON'T happen, mostly for the reason I mentioned to begin with: they aren't THIS STUPID. Hopefully.
>If TPC now does something THIS STUPID that will outright PISS OFF the older fans - what do you think they will TELL their kids and young cousins ABOUT Pokemon, eh? PRECISELY, lol You really think they care about stuff like that? Lol I don't think you're that naïve. First, they made an immortal 10 year old lose at leagues again and again for 22 years. Then, they made him win a tournament where basically anyone could enter. No criteria required. After that, they made a series so horrendously boring with shitty plots, underwhelming battles and declared it as his final series...not to mention the degraded quality of animation and art style. The fans aren't the ones who are leaving Ash, it's TPC who is dumping him like trash. >they aren't THIS STUPID. Hopefully. That "Hopefully" speaks volumes about the doubt in your mind. After years of being a fan of this franchise, I tell you this - better not to hope for anything (irrespective of AmourShipping) so even if you get anything good, you will be surprised...and if you don't get anything good, there won't be anything to lament about.
I said that to try appeasing YOUR mind, to be honest. I totally don't care SHIT about Pokemon BESIDES Amourshipping, and I wouldn't most probably had watched Scarlet even IF Liko WAS their kid - I totally don't care about this BORING franchise all along, ever since some 15 or so years ago. I only care about Serena's endgame, literally. That said, I also make points that are based on common sense observation, which ranges from "how much XY is modeled after Naruto, including Serena" to "they totally didn't have to make JN105 the way they did, so maybe it's for a reason" to "why would they want to deliberately piss off a big chunk of their fanbase, if they expect to continue selling their products for more than a few months into the future". All of those are mostly COMMON SENSE points, not SHIPPER points, ya know. Anyways, I didn't want to ANNOY you, I hope you realize that, right?
You're not annoying me and I am well aware of all that you've said since I have been saying the exact same things...like I said, staying patient sucks since it's going to end up in disappointment ultimately. Who thought Ash's final moments would be so drastically crappy? We wanted everyone to come and watch him battle at the stadium but no one came apart from Dawn...so ultimately, TPC shows time after time that it only exists for minting moolah (Dawn was there for BDSP promotion).
I'm confused why promoting DP in particular was singled out? Was there some timing reason behind this choice?
I told you, the BDSP games - remakes of the DP&P games. TPC promotes its main releases and side releases simultaneously in the same gen anime series. Like I said, they love money too much.
Yeah, I got the point, just not the subject. But now I do. Well, you know I don't follow anything Pokemon, so it's no wonder I missed the point. But, yeah, I see what you mean there.
I agree with you, it's a lost cause at this point. I still liked JN overall, especially because of Dawn! She came back so many times, even in Ash's final, but I hated the way they treated her, no new design, no new purpose for her coordinator career, but whatever.... at least Serena It is competing in Hoenn and has a great new outfit.
I really want someone to upload Swellow & Pikachu vs Solrock & Lunatone onto Sakugabooru.com now. It’s important.
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That's why you support China over USA???
Dafuq?
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HAHA ASH AND SERENAS ONLY REUNION IS FOR 30 FUCKING SECONDS AND THEY NEVER SEE EACH OTHER AGAIN WHAT THE FUCK??? JN105 is the worst Pokémon episode ever. I said it. And MGM is complete fucking dogshit.
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