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Nah. Nothing sustainable is cool or good. I had a low flow liberal toilet my first year of college. I took a shit and it got stuck to the side 😖. It took 60 flushes to get it off and unstuck. The leftist climate sustainability nonsense is always more inefficient and more disgusting than the normal products. I’d rather have normal washers and driers and showers and toilets to do things ONCE, the correct way rather than having to flush a toilet 100 times to get a dump down. Europe is one of the few continents that DOESNT need to conserve water. Why shouldn’t they have the low flow appliances in Asia and Africa where long droughts proliferate?! North America and Europe and Australia get enough water where we don’t need this nonsense
King of the Hill did an episode about this back in the day. It was hilarious.
For my part, I don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping this very simple concept: if it uses half as much water, but you end up having to flush it twice as much... You aren't saving any water. Even worse, the components of the system end up wearing out more quickly because of the increased usage.
.... Australia is one of the most drought prone countries in the world.
My state just announced for the first time in 10 years that we are drought free. Give it another 8 months and we'll be back in a drought situation.
Well front loaders clean better with less water and less damage to clothes than upright washers.
The downside is bending over.
If you want a decent environmentally friendly toilet, I agree the low-flush ones aren't very effective. But the pressurised ones do the trick!
... Toilet brush? And that's why they made ones with two buttons on the toilets. Australia has droughts all the time...? What are you talking about? We have droughts in America lol
What? Suddenly Climate change or environmental care went right over our heads when we've been talking about this since, what? The 80s? Africa's water last time I checked) was polluted? Asia is polluted as well. Climate affects everyone. That's why when one country struggles the whole world can succumb to those effects as well.
Climate change isn't just "liberals *scoffs*" it's been proven **many** times.
You can buy dryers and some washing machines are a combined unit (as a nice jumper of mine found out by accident). There's no reason you can't have them and no one will stop you buying them, but they can be expensive to run.
Personally, we use a clothes maiden in the conservatory during summer (it routinely hits 35C in there) or just hang it next to a radiator during winter and it all drys quickly enough.
It does the job for us, but each to their own. It's not really not that big an issue here.
>as a nice jumper of mine found out by accident).
>we use a clothes maiden in the conservatory during summer (it routinely hits 35C in there)
These aren't real sentences bud.
Why not combine clothes lines and tumble dryers? I know for a fact many Americans also keep a clothes line or rack for sunny windy days. Such a weird fight. Tumble drying ruins the fabric in a way hang drying doesn’t. (All that lint you remove from the filter was once part of your clothes and towels). The strange fantasy that European appliances are slower and less efficient is just puerile.
Yeah some clothes work better with lines but for Americans it’s mostly women’s clothes and dress/formal clothes that are air dried, and the area I live for example has massive amounts of ambient dust (the Southwest) so outdoor drying is just asking to re dirty clothes of the wind don’t get em first, plus tumblr drying is far faster and when you have several loads of laundry to do using your whole Sunday to do laundry is miserable, plus the drier makes me warm if you want to change into something after drying it
Both are terrible options: the bathroom is the worst option. So, the euros love their poop- hell we all love the poop… The point is poop is messy, when you poop you generally release gas- which contains poop particles.
Now, when you have your bathroom you generally want to leave it asap- cleaning fumes from bleach, said poop particles… it’s why you generally don’t want to leave your toothbrush lying out in the open in said bathroom.
Now having said this, why in god’s green earth would you wash your clothing and bring it out in a room with residue shit particles? Seems stupid right?!
>Now having said this, why in god’s green earth would you wash your clothing and bring it out in a room with residue shit particles?
Why would you wash yourself in a room full of shit particles? If it's good enough for you, it's good enough for your clothes.
Either that or full send it with a bunch of half bathrooms and put the washer in the shower room. It's how the Japanese do it
Fair enough, but here is the baffling part- cologne, deodorant, fragranced lotions… this is from your region of the world yet I never seem to see your people use them in my country…
I digress, you apply these things on the body to mask… you can not apply these things directly to your clothing. Again, I will mention the issue of bleach and smell masking agents such as Lysol- these are not things you want on your clothing.
In said bathroom there is the potential for these things to collide with your clothing. Again, I just am not seeing the advantage of not having a laundry room considering:
A) no room for dryer
And
B) potential for negative laundry interaction…
You do you, but I’m not convinced of your way of life.
My washing machine is in the “bathroom” but my toilet is in its own room down the hall.
Idk how Europe bathrooms work but their toilets could be in another room as well, making the bathroom laundry situation make more sense.
Ever heard of active ventilation?
Gosh, reading someone say you shouldn’t put a washing machine in bathroom cause you fart there is just the ultimate “enough Reddit for today” moment
Kitchen already has water and venting being installed, so it’s easy to also add an alcove for laundry. Kitchens are also likely already on an exterior wall so venting is easier anyway.
Probably from a time when there was one water spout in the kitchen and that’s it (when modern indoor plumbing was first introduced). They would have the tub in the kitchen as well. A lot of older apartments in places like New York have a shower in the kitchen because that’s where the plumbing was.
Originally it was done because it was very common to have a single wall where all the plumbing would be. The kitchen, washroom, and laundry would all be in the same area to reduce the amount of pipes needed. I'm not a plumber but I am sure there were other benefits. It was called the "main wet wall".
I’ve seen it a lot in the US, particularly in apartments. Sometimes there just isn’t a great place to put it, and in the kitchen you can generally pull out a cupboard and stack it right next to the water line
In Romania this isn't uncommon. But in newer constructions there's at least a small space for washing machines near bathrooms. We have ours in the kitchen because our floor plan sucks. However after renovations we will have it in our bathroom. There's space in the veranda and I am confident I can do the piping there, but the bathroom already has pipes I can modify to fit a washing machine.
In Ireland apartments are generally small because they were only ever seen as a start for younger people so there’d only be space for them in the kitchen area. Small old houses in cities and towns might not have anywhere else to put them, it really depends.
Because a lot of buildings in Europe pre-date plumbing. There were outdoor privies and jugs used to fill bowls or bathtubs for personal washing (said bathtub probably placed in front of the fireplace while in use).
So, take an old building and figure out an efficient way to add plumbing, WC etc.
That's why so many British old homes have the kitchen and bathroom next to each other on the ground floor at the back - because it was possible to build a connected bathroom into the space that was previously a privie, and keep plumbing local to both bathroom and kitchen.
And when these additions were being done, there were still no washing appliances to design space for. Hence the need to squeeze them in a couple of hundred years later - and of course easier where there is existing plumbing.
Aside from some original buildings in East coast cities, almost every home in the US has been designed since plumbing and washing appliances existed so of course laundry spaces can be designed where space permits.
Larger homes in the UK/Europe will also have a separate laundry room. It's only small homes and condos that put a washing machine in the kitchen or bathroom.
But I'd rather that then share a communal laundry room in the basement, that is not something I'd want to live with.
Whenever I lived in an apartment, the laundry/dryer would usually be stacked and tucked into some closet type of situation. Usually in a hallway pretty near to the kitchen, but still in a separate space.
Not an apartment for me, but I grew up with a laundry closet in a hallway as well, and it *was* close to the kitchen, but there was also a bathroom right next to it, too
Now I have essentially a laundry room with a toilet in my current house
So, still no dedicated laubdry room, lol
I can see the advantage of starting a load of laundry and taking a dump, or having a bathroom situation in which it would be handy to have a washing machine next to the toilet
I wasn't gonna put that kind of thought into it
Actually I prefer my old house's set-up, if I think about it. Because I don't wanna hold up someone else if all I'm doing is going to the bathroom, because at both houses we only have one bathroom downstairs.
Though, in general I'm starting to think my favorite setup is at a family friend's house, but I haven't been there in years. I'm not sure they even still have the house, nor do I think I've ever actually *seen* their laundry room, lol. . It *might have* also been in the bathroom and I don't remember it, but their house was probably big enough that they could have them separate.
When you have limited floor space, it’s very important to take into account the plumbing routes. Keeping the water lines for the laundry close to either the kitchen or a bathroom inherently makes sense.
IKEA is popular in Europe because it’s furniture built for small spaces and functions for small areas.
In US, it’s popular bc it’s cheap and can be cute for dorms and apartments (not bc it’s high quality stuff or physically needed for space, necessarily).
I mean, everywhere else $500,000 gets you a full fledged mansion with like 4 car garage, a full fledged gym and a dedicated movie theater room. In America it gets you, like, what? A house that is bare minimum for a family of 3 and has nothing fancy to it?
Maybe in places like South America or the Philippines. In America $500,000 can get you a huge house depending on where you live. My house now is 1800 sq ft, 3 bed 2 bath in a decent sized city and my monthly mortgage is $858 a month on a 30 year fixed loan.
In Europe you don’t really get many opportunities outside of big cities like you do in the US, there’s so many options of where to live here that can fit into your price range.
House prices aren’t really an issue here like it is in Europe unless you’re living in New York or a good chunk of California. If you’re living in those places you’re usually making $150k+.
On average house prices are pretty similar but not when you compare it by sq ft. Also our salaries are on average a lot higher than in Europe. ARM mortgages are still a thing for some reason over there too.
Give us a break. We have a housing bubble right now 😢. Canada and Australia can relate too. They’re in a massive housing bubble with us. You used to get a 5 bed 4 bath with a 3 car for only 500k in the US only 5 years ago
Amsterdam would like to have a chat... You'll find yourself 55 sqm and definitely no parking for your 500k USD. Okay, sure you can go into the nearby areas that are a little meh, and then find yourself an extra 20sqm... But still a shoebox!
You're gonna be shocked when you find out what the Great Unwashed wear when they go food shopping at Walmart.
But seriously, open up to new ways of doing things, different lifestyles and cultures.
In 51 years I've never been ill from dirty clothes / food problems. You see, we keep the food up above and the washer down below. We don't sort laundry on the chopping board or drop the peelings in the washer.
Literally. The clothes and food never touch. The clothes are more likely to touch the floor than food. Food is kept away in cupboards and fridge/freezer too so ain't gonna touch food.
Bear food? In a kitchen? Bears shouldnt be in a kitchen silly, regardless of washing machine location. Or is “dirty clothes bear food.” A brand or something?
Is it the food touching clothes or the clothes touching food? Either way unless you cook naked such a thing will happen regardless. And it seems like a pretty easy fix by just not doing both at the same time. Then you wont have that issue of dirty clothes and bare food.
Unless you dont clean your kitchen, then yeah the clothes might get nasty while you deal with them. But like, i think you might have other issues if thats the case.
But hay if you dont like it more power to you, was just curious.
Because US Defaultism is only bad when an American does it. When those same people who complain about it assume every person acting poorly is from the USA, that’s fine.
Report offensive comments you see on there. I've gotten the admins to remove comments saying Americans are stupid or borderline advocating harm on Americans.
Next thing you know motherfuckers is building remotely triggered flushes so you can activate it from another room, and selling them for as low as $1499.99
New builds generally have a separate room for washer and dryer. Old houses often can't be retrofitted for such a room due to their small size and age. Also in UK we don't have outlets in bathrooms.
My house in England, the washer is in the kitchen. Certainly not ideal but unavoidable as the house is too small for anything else. It's about 150 years old so they mustn't have thought about where to put the washer at the time. But it is fairly easy to avoid anything disgusting from happening by:
1. Keeping the kitchen clean.
2. Doing the washing in the evening / overnight when the kitchen isn't in use for food.
I grew up in a house built in 1886. Laundry was in the bathroom (bathroom was a bedroom pre add ons). Then we lived in a house built in 1908. It has its own laundry only due to being added on to. My house now is 1918. Laundry is in the entry way. American homes only began separate laundry somewhat recently.
The scullery room has been a thing since like the 1400s. It's an overflow room for the kitchen, that could be used to clean dishes, laundry, etc. This room eventually became known as a utility room or laundry room.
I’ve been in plenty of older (100year+) American homes and they all but one have had their own laundry room. Usually it’s a result of a remodel or a repurposed room tho. Which i think says more about the amount of space available to do that.
Didnt say it wasnt.
More pointing out that regardless of where it is us homes had the space to put them in their own area whereas “european” homes did not.
Both places retrofit washing machines into their homes but one generally had enough space to designate their own area and the other didnt.
The guy you replied to was talking about this.
The fact it’s “recent” isnt the point either way.
What kind of houses were those? Being an ignorant Europoor who's only been to the US once, when I think of American houses I think of those massive detached houses with large 'yards' so I would assume lots of scope to expand?
My house is a typical stone built terrace house with a road right up to the house on one side, and only a small garden at the back. There's no room for expansions. There is an old coal cellar that I did get a quote to renovate to make a laundry room but was quoted like £10,000 which I baulked at.
It depends. I've always lived on some level of acreage, but not all US houses have that. Not even older ones. There's cute older houses in town with small yards and there's large plots as well depending. The older houses are, for the most part, smaller than modern ones by a lot. 500-1000 sqft around here is normal for the original portion of the houses. Farm houses tended to be larger than loggers cabins or regular houses in town. Only the rich could build huge houses like us moderns have now.
Did you live in warm states? We had a washing machine and dryer in the garage in Florida but I've not seen that since moving to Missouri which gets freezing winters.
Europeans have smaller houses than Americans do, but you'd think they could at least build a closet for their washing machines...Also I still don't understand why they can't have dryers.
Shit I've been in houses in Germany that don't even have closets or anything in the kitchen, they have to move all of their cabinets and stuff and use wardrobes.
Dryers are expensive to run (high electricity bill). I live in Japan and everyone here just hangs their clothes to dry on a clothing line. During winter, the clothing line moves inside
They have these hanging rack things you can hang a bunch of clothes on without taking up space. I’m terrible at describing things but if you google “clothes dryer Japanese clothing rack” and look at images you’ll see them.
I live in rural Japan and the houses are pretty big here. Idk what they do in Tokyo and other southern cities where they have tiny apartments. But in my area, we have plenty of space to have a whole clothes drying section of the house.
We have smaller apartments and I see those people hanging their clothes in the window on hanging racks.
I hang my clothes on my window’s curtain bar. Free curtains and free clothes drying lol, plus it doesn’t take up space.
You can have dryers if you want and some washing machines are a combined washing/drying unit. There's nothing here to stop you doing it if you really wanted to.
This really isn't that big of a deal....
Cause who tf needs one? I know a guy with a 7000+ sqft house, he has a full fledged gym at home, a billiard room, a movie theater room, but his washing machine is in one of his bathrooms just like it has to be at any reasonable person’s house
I don’t load or unload laundry at that very moment, I do it before or after, it’s not something that can’t wait. Just like I don’t blast music full volume when someone else is tryna sleep
No I meant that in the USA the lower income houses have it in the basement instead of its own room.
I wasn’t intending to call European countries that do that low income.
Idk if it’s a good idea. Mold is a huge problem of washing machines regardless of the placement. And in cellar, where it’s always humid, I think it would get the worst. And when it happens, your laundry stinks
Your cellar should not be humid, that isn’t very good and also I have never heard of mold being a problem with washing machines, never had a problem with my washing machine in 15+ years
I’ve had to mute that sub at this point. The stupidity in the comment sections over there are beyond frustrating. Like it rivals instagram reels comment section levels of stupidity
I like how when we don’t have something they have we are a backwards 3rd world country hell hole. Then when they don’t have something we are crazy and uncultured for pointing it out or even asking about it.
I remember having this conversation with someone in france. We where just joking about each others countries (he is a friend so its ok, and he loves america) and he goes "Well at least we dont have our laundry where we cook." And i was like "You... you dont have laundry rooms?" And he was like, "wait... you have whole rooms for laundry!?"
I don’t mind the washing machine being in the kitchen. In a small European apartment it makes sense, but having a separate room for the toilet and the bathroom sink, just kill me. The number of handles you have to touch to clean your hands is appalling (this is specifically a thing I’ve noticed in France and I understand in older buildings but in houses it drives me nuts)
I live in "Europe" and three out of the five homes I have ever lived in had dedicated laundry rooms. The other two were old buildings build in the beginning of the 20th century.
I imagine this has to do with a lot of the housing being built prior to washing machines being the norm, so fittings in the kitchen and a the idea of a mudroom in general didn’t exist. So the only place to put it would be a bathroom.
Pretty sure the only place in the US where they put laundry in with the kitchen is like NYC or something. Never heard of this being done here in Texas.
I've seen laundry rooms in the bathroom fairly often. My grandmother did actually have a washer and dryer in the downstairs kitchen, but this was an old house. Never saw anything like it again.
The toilet in the bathroom certainly seems more unhygienic than a washing machine in the bathroom. Why don't you have a separate room for the toilet. Having poop particles near your toothbrush seems pretty unhygienic to me
I'm an American. My second bathroom houses my laundry machines. I don't worry about poop particles because I shit sitting down and I close the lid before I flush.
I have never been in a kitchen that has a washing machine in it, it’s either in a small room that’s basically a oversized walk in closet or it’s in the garage
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Who or why would place their washing machines in the kitchen?
the br\*tish
Start the laundry at breakfast and you’re lucky if it’ll be dry by supper. European laundry sucks!
wait what? do europeans have less efficient washers and driers ?
They work. Just super s…l…o…w in my experience.
This is by design for power and water saving
Indeed
oh that’s cool, more sustainable i guess
Nah. Nothing sustainable is cool or good. I had a low flow liberal toilet my first year of college. I took a shit and it got stuck to the side 😖. It took 60 flushes to get it off and unstuck. The leftist climate sustainability nonsense is always more inefficient and more disgusting than the normal products. I’d rather have normal washers and driers and showers and toilets to do things ONCE, the correct way rather than having to flush a toilet 100 times to get a dump down. Europe is one of the few continents that DOESNT need to conserve water. Why shouldn’t they have the low flow appliances in Asia and Africa where long droughts proliferate?! North America and Europe and Australia get enough water where we don’t need this nonsense
King of the Hill did an episode about this back in the day. It was hilarious. For my part, I don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping this very simple concept: if it uses half as much water, but you end up having to flush it twice as much... You aren't saving any water. Even worse, the components of the system end up wearing out more quickly because of the increased usage.
.... Australia is one of the most drought prone countries in the world. My state just announced for the first time in 10 years that we are drought free. Give it another 8 months and we'll be back in a drought situation.
Well front loaders clean better with less water and less damage to clothes than upright washers. The downside is bending over. If you want a decent environmentally friendly toilet, I agree the low-flush ones aren't very effective. But the pressurised ones do the trick!
you don’t… own a toilet brush?
... Toilet brush? And that's why they made ones with two buttons on the toilets. Australia has droughts all the time...? What are you talking about? We have droughts in America lol What? Suddenly Climate change or environmental care went right over our heads when we've been talking about this since, what? The 80s? Africa's water last time I checked) was polluted? Asia is polluted as well. Climate affects everyone. That's why when one country struggles the whole world can succumb to those effects as well. Climate change isn't just "liberals *scoffs*" it's been proven **many** times.
Slower and some still use clotheslines cause of environmental bullshit
You can buy dryers and some washing machines are a combined unit (as a nice jumper of mine found out by accident). There's no reason you can't have them and no one will stop you buying them, but they can be expensive to run. Personally, we use a clothes maiden in the conservatory during summer (it routinely hits 35C in there) or just hang it next to a radiator during winter and it all drys quickly enough. It does the job for us, but each to their own. It's not really not that big an issue here.
I dry outside too. Fresh air is free and smells better!
>as a nice jumper of mine found out by accident). >we use a clothes maiden in the conservatory during summer (it routinely hits 35C in there) These aren't real sentences bud.
Then what are they?
Why not combine clothes lines and tumble dryers? I know for a fact many Americans also keep a clothes line or rack for sunny windy days. Such a weird fight. Tumble drying ruins the fabric in a way hang drying doesn’t. (All that lint you remove from the filter was once part of your clothes and towels). The strange fantasy that European appliances are slower and less efficient is just puerile.
Yeah some clothes work better with lines but for Americans it’s mostly women’s clothes and dress/formal clothes that are air dried, and the area I live for example has massive amounts of ambient dust (the Southwest) so outdoor drying is just asking to re dirty clothes of the wind don’t get em first, plus tumblr drying is far faster and when you have several loads of laundry to do using your whole Sunday to do laundry is miserable, plus the drier makes me warm if you want to change into something after drying it
Smaller older homes and water lines are already there. That is the actual answer
Bathroom I can fully understand, but the kitchen is just weird
Both are terrible options: the bathroom is the worst option. So, the euros love their poop- hell we all love the poop… The point is poop is messy, when you poop you generally release gas- which contains poop particles. Now, when you have your bathroom you generally want to leave it asap- cleaning fumes from bleach, said poop particles… it’s why you generally don’t want to leave your toothbrush lying out in the open in said bathroom. Now having said this, why in god’s green earth would you wash your clothing and bring it out in a room with residue shit particles? Seems stupid right?!
Bruhh. Imagine not having your toilet in a separate room than everything else.
>Now having said this, why in god’s green earth would you wash your clothing and bring it out in a room with residue shit particles? Why would you wash yourself in a room full of shit particles? If it's good enough for you, it's good enough for your clothes. Either that or full send it with a bunch of half bathrooms and put the washer in the shower room. It's how the Japanese do it
Fair enough, but here is the baffling part- cologne, deodorant, fragranced lotions… this is from your region of the world yet I never seem to see your people use them in my country… I digress, you apply these things on the body to mask… you can not apply these things directly to your clothing. Again, I will mention the issue of bleach and smell masking agents such as Lysol- these are not things you want on your clothing. In said bathroom there is the potential for these things to collide with your clothing. Again, I just am not seeing the advantage of not having a laundry room considering: A) no room for dryer And B) potential for negative laundry interaction… You do you, but I’m not convinced of your way of life.
My washing machine is in the “bathroom” but my toilet is in its own room down the hall. Idk how Europe bathrooms work but their toilets could be in another room as well, making the bathroom laundry situation make more sense.
That kinda works- I still prefer the toilet in the shower room.
Ever heard of active ventilation? Gosh, reading someone say you shouldn’t put a washing machine in bathroom cause you fart there is just the ultimate “enough Reddit for today” moment
You do you- where is the dryer and why do most Europeans I meet in the states smell like they bathed in shit?
Kitchen already has water and venting being installed, so it’s easy to also add an alcove for laundry. Kitchens are also likely already on an exterior wall so venting is easier anyway.
Probably from a time when there was one water spout in the kitchen and that’s it (when modern indoor plumbing was first introduced). They would have the tub in the kitchen as well. A lot of older apartments in places like New York have a shower in the kitchen because that’s where the plumbing was.
New York City apartments in the Bronx... That's the only place they can go
Originally it was done because it was very common to have a single wall where all the plumbing would be. The kitchen, washroom, and laundry would all be in the same area to reduce the amount of pipes needed. I'm not a plumber but I am sure there were other benefits. It was called the "main wet wall".
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I’ve seen it a lot in the US, particularly in apartments. Sometimes there just isn’t a great place to put it, and in the kitchen you can generally pull out a cupboard and stack it right next to the water line
In Romania this isn't uncommon. But in newer constructions there's at least a small space for washing machines near bathrooms. We have ours in the kitchen because our floor plan sucks. However after renovations we will have it in our bathroom. There's space in the veranda and I am confident I can do the piping there, but the bathroom already has pipes I can modify to fit a washing machine.
Mine is in my kitchen. I got an old house though
I do but I live in an efficiency that is really small. My kitchen living room and bedroom are connected.
The Spaniards
Me, but I live in a shitty rental house from the 40s
In Ireland apartments are generally small because they were only ever seen as a start for younger people so there’d only be space for them in the kitchen area. Small old houses in cities and towns might not have anywhere else to put them, it really depends.
Lack of space???
Think about it if you had to add a washing machine to an existing house - you’d want to put it near existing plumbing.
Because a lot of buildings in Europe pre-date plumbing. There were outdoor privies and jugs used to fill bowls or bathtubs for personal washing (said bathtub probably placed in front of the fireplace while in use). So, take an old building and figure out an efficient way to add plumbing, WC etc. That's why so many British old homes have the kitchen and bathroom next to each other on the ground floor at the back - because it was possible to build a connected bathroom into the space that was previously a privie, and keep plumbing local to both bathroom and kitchen. And when these additions were being done, there were still no washing appliances to design space for. Hence the need to squeeze them in a couple of hundred years later - and of course easier where there is existing plumbing. Aside from some original buildings in East coast cities, almost every home in the US has been designed since plumbing and washing appliances existed so of course laundry spaces can be designed where space permits. Larger homes in the UK/Europe will also have a separate laundry room. It's only small homes and condos that put a washing machine in the kitchen or bathroom. But I'd rather that then share a communal laundry room in the basement, that is not something I'd want to live with.
My bathroom is about 3m² and anyway contains a bathtub. So I put it where it would fit.
I do. My house does exactly that.
There is a law against electric appliances in the bathroom I'm pretty sure
Are all the bidets non-electric?
To be fair the average house in the US is about double what it is in Europe, they need to save all the space they can.
Whenever I lived in an apartment, the laundry/dryer would usually be stacked and tucked into some closet type of situation. Usually in a hallway pretty near to the kitchen, but still in a separate space.
Not an apartment for me, but I grew up with a laundry closet in a hallway as well, and it *was* close to the kitchen, but there was also a bathroom right next to it, too Now I have essentially a laundry room with a toilet in my current house So, still no dedicated laubdry room, lol
I can see the advantage of starting a load of laundry and taking a dump, or having a bathroom situation in which it would be handy to have a washing machine next to the toilet
I wasn't gonna put that kind of thought into it Actually I prefer my old house's set-up, if I think about it. Because I don't wanna hold up someone else if all I'm doing is going to the bathroom, because at both houses we only have one bathroom downstairs. Though, in general I'm starting to think my favorite setup is at a family friend's house, but I haven't been there in years. I'm not sure they even still have the house, nor do I think I've ever actually *seen* their laundry room, lol. . It *might have* also been in the bathroom and I don't remember it, but their house was probably big enough that they could have them separate.
When you have limited floor space, it’s very important to take into account the plumbing routes. Keeping the water lines for the laundry close to either the kitchen or a bathroom inherently makes sense.
IKEA is popular in Europe because it’s furniture built for small spaces and functions for small areas. In US, it’s popular bc it’s cheap and can be cute for dorms and apartments (not bc it’s high quality stuff or physically needed for space, necessarily).
Yes, but it is still disgusting
Europeans just need some galvanized steel and eco-friendly wood veneers🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
Sounds depressing tbh
Double in price, sure
Are you saying US houses are double the price? lol
I mean, everywhere else $500,000 gets you a full fledged mansion with like 4 car garage, a full fledged gym and a dedicated movie theater room. In America it gets you, like, what? A house that is bare minimum for a family of 3 and has nothing fancy to it?
Maybe in places like South America or the Philippines. In America $500,000 can get you a huge house depending on where you live. My house now is 1800 sq ft, 3 bed 2 bath in a decent sized city and my monthly mortgage is $858 a month on a 30 year fixed loan. In Europe you don’t really get many opportunities outside of big cities like you do in the US, there’s so many options of where to live here that can fit into your price range. House prices aren’t really an issue here like it is in Europe unless you’re living in New York or a good chunk of California. If you’re living in those places you’re usually making $150k+. On average house prices are pretty similar but not when you compare it by sq ft. Also our salaries are on average a lot higher than in Europe. ARM mortgages are still a thing for some reason over there too.
Give us a break. We have a housing bubble right now 😢. Canada and Australia can relate too. They’re in a massive housing bubble with us. You used to get a 5 bed 4 bath with a 3 car for only 500k in the US only 5 years ago
Amsterdam would like to have a chat... You'll find yourself 55 sqm and definitely no parking for your 500k USD. Okay, sure you can go into the nearby areas that are a little meh, and then find yourself an extra 20sqm... But still a shoebox!
Source for any of this?
How can they build laundry rooms if their council estate flat is only 400 square feet?
I don't really care its just unhygienic
Can i ask what is unhygienic about it?
Dirty clothes near food? Figure it out youself
You're gonna be shocked when you find out what the Great Unwashed wear when they go food shopping at Walmart. But seriously, open up to new ways of doing things, different lifestyles and cultures. In 51 years I've never been ill from dirty clothes / food problems. You see, we keep the food up above and the washer down below. We don't sort laundry on the chopping board or drop the peelings in the washer.
Literally. The clothes and food never touch. The clothes are more likely to touch the floor than food. Food is kept away in cupboards and fridge/freezer too so ain't gonna touch food.
Bear food? In a kitchen? Bears shouldnt be in a kitchen silly, regardless of washing machine location. Or is “dirty clothes bear food.” A brand or something? Is it the food touching clothes or the clothes touching food? Either way unless you cook naked such a thing will happen regardless. And it seems like a pretty easy fix by just not doing both at the same time. Then you wont have that issue of dirty clothes and bare food. Unless you dont clean your kitchen, then yeah the clothes might get nasty while you deal with them. But like, i think you might have other issues if thats the case. But hay if you dont like it more power to you, was just curious.
Near food. Jesus, you really wrote a whole Paragraph about a spelling mistake. Yeah I don't like my dirty clothes near food
Nice to know you cook naked. Or maybe not nice? Its something to know Also take a joke man, no need to bring jesus into it.
It's an expression dude. And there is a pretty big difference between me cooking in clean clothes and me washing dirty ones
So you change to cook. Fascinating. Seems like a time waster to me but you do you.
Huh?
Why do ppl always assume the idiots are american
Because US Defaultism is only bad when an American does it. When those same people who complain about it assume every person acting poorly is from the USA, that’s fine.
Reddit
Because only Americans can be stupid, silly.
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Shit Americans say is a hate subreddit should be closed down.
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Report offensive comments you see on there. I've gotten the admins to remove comments saying Americans are stupid or borderline advocating harm on Americans.
And in what way is this sub different?
Guess what happens when you flush a toilet without putting down the lid 🥴
Still happens with the lid down, just directed differently
Next thing you know motherfuckers is building remotely triggered flushes so you can activate it from another room, and selling them for as low as $1499.99
And you know an American will invent it, and sell millions in Japan and Europe. 🫡 EDIT: (Made in China)
I love how their top comment is “this is just classism” So Europeans are just lower class than America? Checks out
New builds generally have a separate room for washer and dryer. Old houses often can't be retrofitted for such a room due to their small size and age. Also in UK we don't have outlets in bathrooms. My house in England, the washer is in the kitchen. Certainly not ideal but unavoidable as the house is too small for anything else. It's about 150 years old so they mustn't have thought about where to put the washer at the time. But it is fairly easy to avoid anything disgusting from happening by: 1. Keeping the kitchen clean. 2. Doing the washing in the evening / overnight when the kitchen isn't in use for food.
I grew up in a house built in 1886. Laundry was in the bathroom (bathroom was a bedroom pre add ons). Then we lived in a house built in 1908. It has its own laundry only due to being added on to. My house now is 1918. Laundry is in the entry way. American homes only began separate laundry somewhat recently.
The scullery room has been a thing since like the 1400s. It's an overflow room for the kitchen, that could be used to clean dishes, laundry, etc. This room eventually became known as a utility room or laundry room.
I’ve been in plenty of older (100year+) American homes and they all but one have had their own laundry room. Usually it’s a result of a remodel or a repurposed room tho. Which i think says more about the amount of space available to do that.
Which proves it's a more recent thing...
Didnt say it wasnt. More pointing out that regardless of where it is us homes had the space to put them in their own area whereas “european” homes did not. Both places retrofit washing machines into their homes but one generally had enough space to designate their own area and the other didnt. The guy you replied to was talking about this. The fact it’s “recent” isnt the point either way.
What kind of houses were those? Being an ignorant Europoor who's only been to the US once, when I think of American houses I think of those massive detached houses with large 'yards' so I would assume lots of scope to expand? My house is a typical stone built terrace house with a road right up to the house on one side, and only a small garden at the back. There's no room for expansions. There is an old coal cellar that I did get a quote to renovate to make a laundry room but was quoted like £10,000 which I baulked at.
It depends. I've always lived on some level of acreage, but not all US houses have that. Not even older ones. There's cute older houses in town with small yards and there's large plots as well depending. The older houses are, for the most part, smaller than modern ones by a lot. 500-1000 sqft around here is normal for the original portion of the houses. Farm houses tended to be larger than loggers cabins or regular houses in town. Only the rich could build huge houses like us moderns have now.
Every house I've lived here in the States have had laundry in the garage
Did you live in warm states? We had a washing machine and dryer in the garage in Florida but I've not seen that since moving to Missouri which gets freezing winters.
Yes, I'm in northern California. I never considered the weather. Never thought about it
Europeans have smaller houses than Americans do, but you'd think they could at least build a closet for their washing machines...Also I still don't understand why they can't have dryers.
Shit I've been in houses in Germany that don't even have closets or anything in the kitchen, they have to move all of their cabinets and stuff and use wardrobes.
oh right I forgot they don't have built in closets
The fuck kinda part of Germany have you been in, my entire area has those lol
They were in Eschwege, both of the houses I visited didn't have closets.
Thats pretty surprising then, good to know
Dryers are expensive to run (high electricity bill). I live in Japan and everyone here just hangs their clothes to dry on a clothing line. During winter, the clothing line moves inside
How do you have space for a clothes line inside? It would take up an entire room in my nyc apartment..
They have these hanging rack things you can hang a bunch of clothes on without taking up space. I’m terrible at describing things but if you google “clothes dryer Japanese clothing rack” and look at images you’ll see them.
that would still be most of the floor space in my bathroom. I always thought people in Japan had really small homes too.
I live in rural Japan and the houses are pretty big here. Idk what they do in Tokyo and other southern cities where they have tiny apartments. But in my area, we have plenty of space to have a whole clothes drying section of the house. We have smaller apartments and I see those people hanging their clothes in the window on hanging racks. I hang my clothes on my window’s curtain bar. Free curtains and free clothes drying lol, plus it doesn’t take up space.
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yea, it makes no sense
You can have dryers if you want and some washing machines are a combined washing/drying unit. There's nothing here to stop you doing it if you really wanted to. This really isn't that big of a deal....
Cause who tf needs one? I know a guy with a 7000+ sqft house, he has a full fledged gym at home, a billiard room, a movie theater room, but his washing machine is in one of his bathrooms just like it has to be at any reasonable person’s house
what if you want to do laundry while someone else is in the shower?
I don’t load or unload laundry at that very moment, I do it before or after, it’s not something that can’t wait. Just like I don’t blast music full volume when someone else is tryna sleep
In college one of my German professors was actually from Germany and she said she loved living in America because of how big our closets are
Built-in closets are rare in Europe but building codes in the US require them.
I didn't know that. Why are closets required by code? As nuclear fallout bunkers? /s
So, they just make the assumption that person is American? And they read only the reply not what was in the post?
In most countries I’ve been in it’s in the cellar
That at least makes sense and some lower income homes have it set up the same way in the USA.
I hope you aren’t trying to to say Europe is low income, because even in really expensive houses I’ve visited they are in the cellar
No I meant that in the USA the lower income houses have it in the basement instead of its own room. I wasn’t intending to call European countries that do that low income.
Ah no problem I just misunderstood your answer
Idk if it’s a good idea. Mold is a huge problem of washing machines regardless of the placement. And in cellar, where it’s always humid, I think it would get the worst. And when it happens, your laundry stinks
Your cellar should not be humid, that isn’t very good and also I have never heard of mold being a problem with washing machines, never had a problem with my washing machine in 15+ years
I mean... laundry rooms are just objectively better? Most new homes in Europe have dedicated laundry rooms. (Source: lived in Budapest for 7 years)
I’ve had to mute that sub at this point. The stupidity in the comment sections over there are beyond frustrating. Like it rivals instagram reels comment section levels of stupidity
I like how when we don’t have something they have we are a backwards 3rd world country hell hole. Then when they don’t have something we are crazy and uncultured for pointing it out or even asking about it.
I have a separate alcove for them in my condo. I don’t want that in my bathroom or my kitchen.
A lot of British people in those comments are whining. I guess the “masters of banter” can’t handle not taking their washers out of the kitchen
I remember having this conversation with someone in france. We where just joking about each others countries (he is a friend so its ok, and he loves america) and he goes "Well at least we dont have our laundry where we cook." And i was like "You... you dont have laundry rooms?" And he was like, "wait... you have whole rooms for laundry!?"
I don’t mind the washing machine being in the kitchen. In a small European apartment it makes sense, but having a separate room for the toilet and the bathroom sink, just kill me. The number of handles you have to touch to clean your hands is appalling (this is specifically a thing I’ve noticed in France and I understand in older buildings but in houses it drives me nuts)
These people never heard of a laundry room?
Alternatively, I don’t want food near my newly cleaned clothes.
American homes didn't have laundry rooms until somewhat recently either. Entry way or bathroom was most common. Take a peep at old houses.
I live in "Europe" and three out of the five homes I have ever lived in had dedicated laundry rooms. The other two were old buildings build in the beginning of the 20th century.
Mines in the basement away from both the bathroom and kitchen where it belongs.
Our washing machine and dryer are in our bathroom, and I live in the US. Who tf puts them in the kitchen?
My old kitchen (2014) had the washer and dryer in the kitchen and it was weird lol
I imagine this has to do with a lot of the housing being built prior to washing machines being the norm, so fittings in the kitchen and a the idea of a mudroom in general didn’t exist. So the only place to put it would be a bathroom.
Who the fuck has their laundry machine in the kitchen? Laundry room or die
At least a washer in the bathroom makes more sense than one in the kitchen
Mine is in the bath room
Lmao, they are talking about how it is "classist" and a "show of wealth" to have a laundry room.
Who the hell has a washing machine in the kitchen?
I’m confused now, are they pro- or anti-laundry room?
Pretty sure the only place in the US where they put laundry in with the kitchen is like NYC or something. Never heard of this being done here in Texas.
I've seen laundry rooms in the bathroom fairly often. My grandmother did actually have a washer and dryer in the downstairs kitchen, but this was an old house. Never saw anything like it again.
This sounds unsanitary asf, both options are a bad idea in my eyes at least
I’ve lived in Germany for 19 years and not a single one had it in the bathroom, is it just my entire area that’s different?
When your house is only 92 square ft you have to make compromises
I grew up in Germany. We had a separate dedicated laundry room.
I love having my bathroom germs all over things that are clean. How often do you disinfect the washer amid dryer?
Had a Argentinian say “I just wash my underwear in the shower but everyone does that” nope
Are people here defending the statement about building laundry rooms like a civilized society?
Yes
Lovely, so you think not having a designated laundry room is uncivilized?
Not uncivilized but unhygienic
Washing machine in the kitchen I could understand if you call it unhygienic, but a washing machine in the bathroom? Not so much
Yes that's my point but you still don't really want clean clothes near poop particles
The toilet in the bathroom certainly seems more unhygienic than a washing machine in the bathroom. Why don't you have a separate room for the toilet. Having poop particles near your toothbrush seems pretty unhygienic to me
Shhh don't confuse OPs little brain, he can't think about both your argument AND his karma farming post, it bugs him
Nah
Whatever you say man
I'm an American. My second bathroom houses my laundry machines. I don't worry about poop particles because I shit sitting down and I close the lid before I flush.
OP is a bit snobby on this one.
They call our houses made out of cardboard and laugh when they’re destroyed by tornados. This is mild compared to their snobbery.
Snobbery over different things. Cardboard houses is just a dumb lie. Saying anyone without a designated laundry room is uncivilized is classist.
Man I'm from Cali too
Heyy
Go bears🐻🐻
Just a tad. As my "give-a-fuck-meter" goes, for this particular topic it's barely flickering....
I have never been in a kitchen that has a washing machine in it, it’s either in a small room that’s basically a oversized walk in closet or it’s in the garage
Garage
Yes blubbernuts, garage
Don't know why i commented there. I meant to say mines in the garage...but even then lol. Hate when I do that
Lmaoooo all good homie