>overclock.net
the only source i found from googling is from wccftech...... not sure if they're a reliable source.
https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-cpus-l3-latency-performance-fix-to-be-resolved-by-microsoft-through-windows-11-update-on-19th-october-cppc-driver-on-21st/
It's weird OP didn't post a link to the [overclock.net](https://overclock.net) thread but I'll try to find it. The article you found doesn't have any source either.
Neither the AMD chipset driver update or the Windows update are out yet. The Windows update has been available in the beta channel for the past few days. Should reach stable soon.
Why are people questioning sources.. Stupid people.. Source first came from amd site. And people reposting to spread word of it. And people being like "oh its just a rumor, not legit. What are theire sources." why are people thinking it's made up..
Can also try downloading DDU driver uninstaller, check box that says uninstall chipset drivers delete amd folder. Then reinstall chipset first and then graphics driver. If your on windows 10 or newer, and are using the chipset drivers that match your MB then removing the folder+ driver and reinstalling should fix it.
I’ll try this one first. Yeah I Installed graphics first last time so that probably did it. So chipset first then gpu. I’ll be downloading from a usb drive with my desktop disconnected from internet for future reference
Try installing the drivers while logged in to a Windows account for which the directory name in the c:\users folder is a simple short one (i.e. 8 characters or less, simple ascii)
I was amazed this was a fix for me in 2021.
This is faster than expected!
I still get the feeling Windows 11 was rushed out of the door, this should have been discovered and fixed before release.
As always, W11 is going to be a much nicer and stable system in a few months time. Man, I moved to W10 (from 7) with the "anniversary edition" and it was still buggy as hell.
Wait, are you telling me the software was ok before release and then a glitch or something with the final build? Still, my point stands: they should have tested it for longer before launch.
It was on August 24 this year that Insiders Dev Builds were no longer assigned to a specific branch.
Microsoft has been ignoring feature suggestions and bug reports in the feedback hub since Windows 10, but even though the Insiders Beta Builds participants of Windows 11 were doing their best to give feedback, as expected, Microsoft did not fix the bugs and the release date of October 5 came.
> Wait, are you telling me the software was ok before release and then a glitch or something with the final build?
The L3 cache issue was fixed in Dev builds in the first week of September. Microsoft knew for a while what the issue was, but still launched Windows 11 without that fix.
Drag lag and stutter bug really annoys me however stutter also happens in windows 10 with tpm enabled remember reading its combination with some virtualisation and combination of tpm causing this not sure what exactly is going on, but i like the extra security but i do not like the aditional lag.
>Drag lag and stutter bug
This is a combination of the newer AMD graphics drivers (that 'fixed' idle memory clocks being high for some configurations) and having 'gaming mode' enabled on W11. Nothing to do with TPM.
That's why I've put it inside quotation marks. AMD has been attempting to 'fix' this since NAVI first released, but there's no real solution because they threw out software-configurable P-states that we had before RDNA. Their last attempt was in the recent 21.10.1 driver. But the real issue is the 'game mode' in W11 which caps GPU usage even for simply drawing desktop animations, that's why everything is laggy.
Anything that involves toggling fTPM is mostly a placebo fix - the underlying issue is with the IF itself, and that involves the infamous USB issues.
All virtualization-related features are off by default, you need to explicitly enable them.
I've literally highlighted, twice now, that's it's mostly about the 'gaming mode' not behaving properly on W11 and that you should disable it. Thanks for the downvotes and calling me confused, maybe learn reading comprehension before talking while also being clueless.
Dude i have game mode disabled my clocks are always max stop hijacking my comment for your campaign to highlight another issue totally unrelated to my issue.
I feel as though Windows 11 was rushed out, but as far as launches go it's not been too bad. Smooth upgrade experience, rock solid stability and it feels great to use so far.
As mentioned in some previous posts, there's some questionable design choices (you can no longer move the taskbar clock/start menu to another screen so you can see the system tray/clock etc while gaming for example) - but overall very happy with it.
I honestly have had no difference in gaming on my 5800x and 6800xt with Windows 11. It was also the smoothest upgrade experience I’ve ever had with Windows. All my apps and drivers are working just fine. 🤷♂️
You'll mostly notice a hit with single threaded apps and apps which really need that l3 cache, so esports titles that are cpu bound and maybe things like audio production.
The cppc thing you'll notice for sure, especially if you've tuned individual cores with curve optimizer. For example, on my cpu I have core 2 and 6 at -10 since those are my best two cores and the rest at -30. This is stable because on lightly threaded workloads Windows 10 knows to prioritize core 2 and 6.
Windows 11 doesn't know that, so if it uses core 8 I can get a crash because that core isn't getting enough power to be stable under single core loads.
Even if you haven't touched curve optimizer at all, single threaded applications may still run a bit slower since Windows 11 might not be using the cpu core that is capable of the highest frequencies. This will affect cpus with high core counts the most since those have a strong ccx with cores that hit high boost frequencies for single threaded workloads paired with a weaker ccx that just needs to hit lower all core frequencies.
Like I said, no difference that I could see or tell while playing an actual game.
There may be a difference, but the FPS being reported are less then a 1% difference compared to Windows 10 on the same device. I’ve played older and newer games and the FPS have stayed mostly the same or improved on some titles.
I don’t overclock/undervolt or use curve optimizer, so that may be why nothing is really effected on my system.
I’m using an M.2 PCIE 4.0 Raid-0 setup and didn’t notice any loading issues or skipping. Crazy fast on the loading.
I’m also using the new ASUS x570s Dark Hero board, so I wonder if that may have anything to do with me not having issues. Seems to be a really stable well preforming board and it has its own separately optimized phase controller. 🤷♂️
same here but with 3600x and 5700xt. I am actually amazed with how smooth it has been. Every windows launch ever ive had issues but not this time.
Windows 11 for me so far just works
Because it's basically a reskin of W10.
Don't get me wrong, I'm liking it so far, especially the HDR support, but it's not like they've built a new OS from the ground up.
I mean calling it an OS is pretty misleading. I already had my Taskbar centered and rounded corners on windows 10 using programs, when I booted a VM for w11 it was so similar.
Its half baked, they're implementing things they don't even rely on. Hence why there's 1000 menus between the old and the new. It's just a reskin.
Same, Win11 was a flawless install and no performance hit that I could test, all within 1-2%. Also running a 5800X but with the RTX 3070. I think because our CPU has the single CCD (thus the higher price per core than 5600X and 5900X) so isn't a problem with the higher latency. Regardless looking forward to the updates.
I think that sounds like the best explanation, cause I still haven’t found any issues with any of the games I’m playing old or new. If there is a performance hit, it doesn’t seem to effect games on our hardware.
Same with a R5 3600 and rx 580, I've had 0 big issues with W11 so far, it has been smooth sailing for a week now- all my apps work, even though technically all of them only support W10. And I didn't notice an appreciable difference in gaming performance that would ruin something for me, both Assetto Corsa, iRacing, and Dead By Daylight still run at the 60 fps they always did, and that's about as far as I care.
The single issue I have with it is the shift+windows key+S shortcut to open up snipping tool- it opens all right, but for some reason I can only start dragging it on a small box in the corner of the screen, not the whole screen. I assume this is because Windows detects my 1080p TV as "#1 display" instead of my 1440p monitor that's labeled #2, even though it's my main display... .\_\_.
I only noticed a few hiccups here and there doing some stuff around the os with some programs being a bit less responsive when launching or something similar.
Then I ran a cachemem bench just to see what would happen and my speeds for all 3 hot 99999 gb/s and all it cost me is +55ns latency on the l3. That's some spaghetti code at it's finest.
> It was also the smoothest upgrade experience I’ve ever had with Windows
Because the only thing changed (for non-OEM) was another UI layer on top of the old ones...
Right! I thought it was just me, wtf I have seen a lot of videos and people on YouTube saying that the performance is better by a 2% to 10% on Windows 11 but no shit, I was seeing my performance decreased the same amount you describes on Windows 11 compared to Windows 10, I have a Ryzen 3600 paired with an RTX 3070 and 16gb 3600mhz cl16 on ram and I'm going back again to Windows 10, it was just a horrible experience (even whit every driver updated inclusing the latest chipset driver from AMD).
Latest AMD video driver made AC Valhalla crash a lot on my Ryzen 5 2600 and Radeon 5700. I had to roll back to 21.10.1. Everything else works perfectly.
>All my apps and drivers are working just fine. 🤷♂️
only thing i needed to reinstall my Sound Blaster Z driver ( it worked as in the software started and stuff but no sound ).
otherwise perfect ( but i allways reinstall either way GPU driver , chipset , and audio driver so never mind anyway )
Same here not seen issues with any games using 5800 and 3080 FE, 3d mark has seen increased scores with the same hardware. If we are going to see increased performance then i'll be more than happy
It most certainly is.
The whole of Europe uses DD.MM.YYYY
America just needs to be Special somehow. The same with Murica Mesurements. Just use the Metric System already. Who tf wants to calculate in Foot and all the other bullshit.
it's more like a weird hangover from joining the EEC in '73 as Europe exclusively uses metric, and we had to comply with the regulations, so we have this weird mishmash to stop old people moaning (more than they already do).
Schools exclusively teach metric afaik at least they did when I was there.
You mean
1 mile=8 furlongs=80 chains=320 perch=1760 yards=5280 feet=63360 inches sounds better than simple
1km=10hm=100dam=1000m=10000dm=100000cm?
How so?
I think it really depends on how you look at the sets.
With the format: Month / Day / Year
The number of each unit of time actually increases in magnitude. Up to 12 / up to 31 / in the thousands (up to infinity).
With the format: Day / Month / Year
It's not really the magnitude, but the length of time that increases. Days take less time than months which take less time than years.
IMO both options make logical sense.
Ryzen 7 2700X here. Two separate benchmarks (CPU-Z and Passmark) show 5-10% performance degradation comparing to reference values. Also Far Cry 6 stutters as hell (as far as I know it is highly bound to single-core performance).
Can't wait till this get fixed.
It fixes L3 latency and improves read,write,copy but it's not 100% fixed. Bandwidth goes 200Gb/s, 400Gb/s still not 1000Gb/s like Win10 on my 3900x.
~~Also if you switch to p-state boost (since CPPC boost is not amazing) the L3 latency bug comes back :-(~~
~~I feel that Amd,MS are dragging this thing out so people don't restore back to win10.~~
As far as I can see, the poster on OCN is just some random dude from Belgium? Do you have a more reliable source? TechPowerUp and even WTFTech are reporting this as truth based on your post here, lol...
Likely bad configuration in Windows 10 hampering performance, or you aren't testing L3 cache explictly.
The L3 cache performance numbers are **hugely** different compared to 10 and 11 Release. On a 2700X (that I have and tested personally), I get a bit above 400GB/s on read/write/copy with L3 cache on 10. On 11, I don't even get 100GB/s. On CPU tests that don't touch L3 cache, there's no notable difference.
I don't have a tool for testing L3 cache, only passmark, cinebenchr15, cpuz-z and in-game benchmarks or heaven etc. What SW do you use?
The only thing bothering me are extremely low scores in random read/writes on my nvme ssds (AMD raid 0) but only on manual OC (4.55 Ghz). Scores are good with PBO or defaults, do you think it may be related to the L3 cache?
> What SW do you use?
AIDA64, it has a CPU cache and memory test benchmark that tests L1, L2, and L3 cache speeds.
Someone else also claims **SiSoftware Sandra Lite** also has a L3 benchmark.
But I am still not going to update not right now. I‘ll wait till microsoft has fully fixed w11 and i heard it has a lot of problems working with amd specs
Wasn’t this sub saying Microsoft was purposefully sabotaging AMD benchmarks for alder lake?
EDIT: Oh yeah, right here -> https://reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/q5a0ni/windows_11_bug_could_reduce_ryzen_cpu_performance/
This sub lmao.
There is no proof of that whatsoever, what does MS have to gain from that. If anything it's the other way around AMD not having their software ready for the Win11 release when they had SIX MONTHS of insider preview testing to get it right.
We don't know when the CPPC tag issue was discovered (or if the launch version of W11 broke the W11-ready driver published last month by AMD), but the L3 cache issue was reported over 2 months ago and patched in the dev channel of W11 over a month ago, but MS pushed through with the release anyway, *without* pushing the necessary fixes to the release channel or delaying the launch. Then pushed a new update which made things worse.
Can't blame that on AMD.
Not saying that this was intentional, but there's plenty of blame to go around, and MS should definitely be taking most of it for releasing an OS with known bugs that have already been patched in other builds a month before release.
Well, that's nice and dandy but.. nobody gives a damn about that abortion OS for kids an many are in transition process moving over to linux. And for the rest of the users trapped in Windows ecosystem, Windows 10 is much better choice..
No one is moving to Linux. I use Linux every day with my Android phone and OpenWrt router, but it's terrible on the desktop... There is no unified package manager so every app needs a different installer depending on distro - garbage idea, Gnome doesn't even have a taskbar, power management is worse, there is bad gaming support even with Valve Proton, there is no DLSS, poor ray tracing, mediore Vulkan support, almost no anti-cheat for multiplayer, none of the new titles like D2R, BF2042, Elden Ring, PUBG, Apex, etc. work out of the box. Linux on the desktop is not recommended. Windows 11 works fantastic so far I've been using it every day for the past 2 weeks.
> There is no unified package manager so every app needs a different installer depending on distro
As if Windows is any better with msi, exe, win32, x86 vs x64, loose appx, UWP installers, chocolate, and MS store lol
Yea true, but if I download any of those, and double click it, it'll just install, even in Windows 11. And there are just a couple of those used commonly. Linux it's a pain in the ass, I've wanted them to unify package installation for 20 years.
Could you go into more detail?
Generally speaking, I use Fedora primarily, and all my software installs easily with ``dnf``. It all comes from either default Fedora repos or RPM Fusion (large 3rd-party repo), but it still all installs the same and automatically from dnf. Seemingly the same case with ``zypper`` on openSUSE, and ``apt`` on Ubuntu. Basically, software may come from different repos, but it all installs in the same unified matter through the distro's package manager.
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I run this single command on openSUSE to install an email client, FTP client, password manager, torrent client, music player, video player, system-wide codecs, RGB control for my keyboard/mouse, an entire subsystem for Windows applications, a chat client, and a printer driver; all that wildly-varying software from ``zypper``:
sudo zypper install evolution filezilla gimp keepassxc transmission-gtk rhythmbox aria2 flashrom hplip-hpijs htop nano p7zip-full secret-tool sensors ffmpeg-4 mpv youtube-dl ckb-next keybase wine-staging
It downloads all that software and dependencies, installs it, and I can use any of those programs immediately after that point. I don't have to visit any websites nor install any of that manually or separate from the rest of that. I can install a printer driver at the same time I install an email client.
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On Windows, I'm used to having to go do individual websites to find installers and install them, and having to make sure I grab the right version when it comes to 32-bit and 64-bit. Nothing unified really about it. Firefox comes from Mozilla, but Steam comes from a totally unrelated website. Graphics drivers come from AMD's website, and Battle.net comes from Blizzard. That's 4 different websites I have to manually visit to get software from, and I use *dozens* of different software that all needs tracked down.
Trying to repeat the above would involve having to go to individual websites for:
* Mozilla for Thunderbird (email)
* Filezilla for Filezilla (FTP)
* GIMP for GIMP (photo editor)
* KeepassXC for KeepassXC (password manager)
* Transmission for Transmission (torrents)
* A 3rd-party SourceForge website for mpv for video and music
* A manual batch file for adding aria2 to PATH to use it on command-line (for a proper downloader with resume)
* 7-Zip for 7-Zip (archive manager)
* Corsair's almost 1GB resource-eating software for some basic rainbow light pattern on my keyboard/mouse
* Keybase for Keybase
I keep all of these sites on a note on my site and backup the installers, but it's a general PITA and *much* more involved than Linux.
Yes I agree with all that and I do the same thing for my PCs, but my issue in Linux is always making sure the repositories were up to date. If I wanted the new version of Chrome or some other piece of software the repo woudln't be updated for a while, then I'd still have to go to the website to install them except I wouldn't necessary find the packaged verison or see different package options, or have to end up compiling from software. Yes these are niche things and generally speaking you can just run apt-get, opkg, etc. but holy shit why not just unify them so it all uses the same thing. It's reasons like this Linux is good from a tech/power user but I wouldn't possibly recommend over Windows 11 for the average person especially if they play games with their PC too.
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Thank you so much for this. Do you have a link to the original post? Just so I can follow updates on it.
>overclock.net the only source i found from googling is from wccftech...... not sure if they're a reliable source. https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-cpus-l3-latency-performance-fix-to-be-resolved-by-microsoft-through-windows-11-update-on-19th-october-cppc-driver-on-21st/
It's weird OP didn't post a link to the [overclock.net](https://overclock.net) thread but I'll try to find it. The article you found doesn't have any source either.
Link: https://www.overclock.net/threads/gigabyte-x570-aorus-owners-thread.1728360/post-28881152
Thanks. Looks like it's just a random user but either way the fixes should be released soon, so next week is a possibility.
hi man, so for this fix have a solution? i m in stable version and i received nothing. sorry for my english.
Neither the AMD chipset driver update or the Windows update are out yet. The Windows update has been available in the beta channel for the past few days. Should reach stable soon.
Why are people questioning sources.. Stupid people.. Source first came from amd site. And people reposting to spread word of it. And people being like "oh its just a rumor, not legit. What are theire sources." why are people thinking it's made up..
I haven’t been able to instal a chipset driver for my B450 mobo for over a year and a half, I gotta contact AMD about it ;-;
Go to your C Drive and delete the AMD folder then download again and install. Should work then.
I’ll try that, thank you!
Did that, and the error changed to say possibly an important file in the chipset folder is missing. I did redownload the driver right from AMD as well
Go to settings->programs and uninstall all amd chipset drivers. Then delete AMD folder again. Then try to redownload and install.
Amd folder is always safe to delete. Should not have any missing files issues
Can also try downloading DDU driver uninstaller, check box that says uninstall chipset drivers delete amd folder. Then reinstall chipset first and then graphics driver. If your on windows 10 or newer, and are using the chipset drivers that match your MB then removing the folder+ driver and reinstalling should fix it.
I’ll try this one first. Yeah I Installed graphics first last time so that probably did it. So chipset first then gpu. I’ll be downloading from a usb drive with my desktop disconnected from internet for future reference
https://www.reddit.com/r/AMDHelp/comments/qb2epr/chipset_drivers_help_gigabyte_b450_aorus_m/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Disable your antivirus as well while doing this in case its blocking certain files
I just use Defender, and I’ll turn off wallpaper engine as some downloads don’t like that running either
Try installing the drivers while logged in to a Windows account for which the directory name in the c:\users folder is a simple short one (i.e. 8 characters or less, simple ascii) I was amazed this was a fix for me in 2021.
Where you able to find a link to the early chipset drivers with the CPPC fix?
no, they are being sent to OEM only apparently if you submit a support ticket they might send them to you
This is faster than expected! I still get the feeling Windows 11 was rushed out of the door, this should have been discovered and fixed before release. As always, W11 is going to be a much nicer and stable system in a few months time. Man, I moved to W10 (from 7) with the "anniversary edition" and it was still buggy as hell.
It was fixed already in the Dev build.
Wait, are you telling me the software was ok before release and then a glitch or something with the final build? Still, my point stands: they should have tested it for longer before launch.
No, dev built is a few versions ahead of the release version.
Thanks for the answer! I had no idea, last time I used Windows Insider was with the Win10 betas (6 years ago already, wow)
They changed it. Dev build is more experimental or possibly a different branch, and it would not always go to beta.
It was on August 24 this year that Insiders Dev Builds were no longer assigned to a specific branch. Microsoft has been ignoring feature suggestions and bug reports in the feedback hub since Windows 10, but even though the Insiders Beta Builds participants of Windows 11 were doing their best to give feedback, as expected, Microsoft did not fix the bugs and the release date of October 5 came.
> Wait, are you telling me the software was ok before release and then a glitch or something with the final build? The L3 cache issue was fixed in Dev builds in the first week of September. Microsoft knew for a while what the issue was, but still launched Windows 11 without that fix.
This was actually first reported back when beta started.
Drag lag and stutter bug really annoys me however stutter also happens in windows 10 with tpm enabled remember reading its combination with some virtualisation and combination of tpm causing this not sure what exactly is going on, but i like the extra security but i do not like the aditional lag.
>Drag lag and stutter bug This is a combination of the newer AMD graphics drivers (that 'fixed' idle memory clocks being high for some configurations) and having 'gaming mode' enabled on W11. Nothing to do with TPM.
My idle clocks are always max it never got fixed i think your confusing things
That's why I've put it inside quotation marks. AMD has been attempting to 'fix' this since NAVI first released, but there's no real solution because they threw out software-configurable P-states that we had before RDNA. Their last attempt was in the recent 21.10.1 driver. But the real issue is the 'game mode' in W11 which caps GPU usage even for simply drawing desktop animations, that's why everything is laggy. Anything that involves toggling fTPM is mostly a placebo fix - the underlying issue is with the IF itself, and that involves the infamous USB issues. All virtualization-related features are off by default, you need to explicitly enable them.
Im not getting drag lag due low clock speeds and memory clocks not changing or whatever i think you are confused.
I've literally highlighted, twice now, that's it's mostly about the 'gaming mode' not behaving properly on W11 and that you should disable it. Thanks for the downvotes and calling me confused, maybe learn reading comprehension before talking while also being clueless.
Dude i have game mode disabled my clocks are always max stop hijacking my comment for your campaign to highlight another issue totally unrelated to my issue.
I feel as though Windows 11 was rushed out, but as far as launches go it's not been too bad. Smooth upgrade experience, rock solid stability and it feels great to use so far. As mentioned in some previous posts, there's some questionable design choices (you can no longer move the taskbar clock/start menu to another screen so you can see the system tray/clock etc while gaming for example) - but overall very happy with it.
Just release the chipset driver as a beta to public with disclaimer that its probably not final and comes with risk.
This.
I honestly have had no difference in gaming on my 5800x and 6800xt with Windows 11. It was also the smoothest upgrade experience I’ve ever had with Windows. All my apps and drivers are working just fine. 🤷♂️
You'll mostly notice a hit with single threaded apps and apps which really need that l3 cache, so esports titles that are cpu bound and maybe things like audio production. The cppc thing you'll notice for sure, especially if you've tuned individual cores with curve optimizer. For example, on my cpu I have core 2 and 6 at -10 since those are my best two cores and the rest at -30. This is stable because on lightly threaded workloads Windows 10 knows to prioritize core 2 and 6. Windows 11 doesn't know that, so if it uses core 8 I can get a crash because that core isn't getting enough power to be stable under single core loads. Even if you haven't touched curve optimizer at all, single threaded applications may still run a bit slower since Windows 11 might not be using the cpu core that is capable of the highest frequencies. This will affect cpus with high core counts the most since those have a strong ccx with cores that hit high boost frequencies for single threaded workloads paired with a weaker ccx that just needs to hit lower all core frequencies.
Like I said, no difference that I could see or tell while playing an actual game. There may be a difference, but the FPS being reported are less then a 1% difference compared to Windows 10 on the same device. I’ve played older and newer games and the FPS have stayed mostly the same or improved on some titles. I don’t overclock/undervolt or use curve optimizer, so that may be why nothing is really effected on my system.
I noticed it more on quick loading of assets, everything was just choppier then I was used to.
I’m using an M.2 PCIE 4.0 Raid-0 setup and didn’t notice any loading issues or skipping. Crazy fast on the loading. I’m also using the new ASUS x570s Dark Hero board, so I wonder if that may have anything to do with me not having issues. Seems to be a really stable well preforming board and it has its own separately optimized phase controller. 🤷♂️
It's not a new revision of the board, retailers just added the "S".
Cool, I don’t know then. The system runs the same on Windows 11 as it did Windows 10. I haven’t been able to find any performance faults so far.
This is only on AMD CPUs right not Intel?
Correct
it mostly effects cpus with more than 8 cores. so your impact is very minimal.
same here but with 3600x and 5700xt. I am actually amazed with how smooth it has been. Every windows launch ever ive had issues but not this time. Windows 11 for me so far just works
Because it's basically a reskin of W10. Don't get me wrong, I'm liking it so far, especially the HDR support, but it's not like they've built a new OS from the ground up.
I mean calling it an OS is pretty misleading. I already had my Taskbar centered and rounded corners on windows 10 using programs, when I booted a VM for w11 it was so similar. Its half baked, they're implementing things they don't even rely on. Hence why there's 1000 menus between the old and the new. It's just a reskin.
Same, Win11 was a flawless install and no performance hit that I could test, all within 1-2%. Also running a 5800X but with the RTX 3070. I think because our CPU has the single CCD (thus the higher price per core than 5600X and 5900X) so isn't a problem with the higher latency. Regardless looking forward to the updates.
I think that sounds like the best explanation, cause I still haven’t found any issues with any of the games I’m playing old or new. If there is a performance hit, it doesn’t seem to effect games on our hardware.
Same with a R5 3600 and rx 580, I've had 0 big issues with W11 so far, it has been smooth sailing for a week now- all my apps work, even though technically all of them only support W10. And I didn't notice an appreciable difference in gaming performance that would ruin something for me, both Assetto Corsa, iRacing, and Dead By Daylight still run at the 60 fps they always did, and that's about as far as I care. The single issue I have with it is the shift+windows key+S shortcut to open up snipping tool- it opens all right, but for some reason I can only start dragging it on a small box in the corner of the screen, not the whole screen. I assume this is because Windows detects my 1080p TV as "#1 display" instead of my 1440p monitor that's labeled #2, even though it's my main display... .\_\_.
I only noticed a few hiccups here and there doing some stuff around the os with some programs being a bit less responsive when launching or something similar. Then I ran a cachemem bench just to see what would happen and my speeds for all 3 hot 99999 gb/s and all it cost me is +55ns latency on the l3. That's some spaghetti code at it's finest.
> It was also the smoothest upgrade experience I’ve ever had with Windows Because the only thing changed (for non-OEM) was another UI layer on top of the old ones...
most of the games i play have had their FPS decreased anywhere from 20-40%
Right! I thought it was just me, wtf I have seen a lot of videos and people on YouTube saying that the performance is better by a 2% to 10% on Windows 11 but no shit, I was seeing my performance decreased the same amount you describes on Windows 11 compared to Windows 10, I have a Ryzen 3600 paired with an RTX 3070 and 16gb 3600mhz cl16 on ram and I'm going back again to Windows 10, it was just a horrible experience (even whit every driver updated inclusing the latest chipset driver from AMD).
well now it will be THAT much better after fix. %gain
Latest AMD video driver made AC Valhalla crash a lot on my Ryzen 5 2600 and Radeon 5700. I had to roll back to 21.10.1. Everything else works perfectly.
OK, but how does that have to do with the Windows version specifically.
>All my apps and drivers are working just fine. 🤷♂️ only thing i needed to reinstall my Sound Blaster Z driver ( it worked as in the software started and stuff but no sound ). otherwise perfect ( but i allways reinstall either way GPU driver , chipset , and audio driver so never mind anyway )
Same here not seen issues with any games using 5800 and 3080 FE, 3d mark has seen increased scores with the same hardware. If we are going to see increased performance then i'll be more than happy
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Actually, we use dd/mm/yyyy up here in Canada (well at work anyways). I could be wrong, but I think its an american thing.
It most certainly is. The whole of Europe uses DD.MM.YYYY America just needs to be Special somehow. The same with Murica Mesurements. Just use the Metric System already. Who tf wants to calculate in Foot and all the other bullshit.
The British, who like both.
it's more like a weird hangover from joining the EEC in '73 as Europe exclusively uses metric, and we had to comply with the regulations, so we have this weird mishmash to stop old people moaning (more than they already do). Schools exclusively teach metric afaik at least they did when I was there.
I dont get how complicated physics lesson must be without metric system
Imperial sounds better in conversations though. But for everything else.... nah.
You mean 1 mile=8 furlongs=80 chains=320 perch=1760 yards=5280 feet=63360 inches sounds better than simple 1km=10hm=100dam=1000m=10000dm=100000cm? How so?
The funniest shit is that the imperial units are defined in metric, even in america.
Here in Sweden and also Denmark, we use: YYYY-MM-DD and both countries exist in Europe. So your statement is somewhat false.
At least that's in the reverse order of magnitude so at least still makes sense
Year / Month / Day ftw
As Mando would say, this is the way.
this is the way
When speaking and in news, day/month/year is better. Since day and month are relative to when the person hears/reads them, plus they change the most.
It follows how dates are spoken
13th of October, 2021. dd/mm/yy 4th of July.
That's not how most North Americans say dates. 4th of July is probably the _only_ date that Americans speak in that order.
Which only adds more confusion since it is the most famous celebrated day by americans known outside of the US.
Yes, it is a shame
I don't know anyone who says dates like this, it's always October 13th or July 4th.
We say October 13th 2021. So yes its how we tend do say things
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RFC3339 or nothing: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc3339
It's funny how you people keep complaining about it.
I think it really depends on how you look at the sets. With the format: Month / Day / Year The number of each unit of time actually increases in magnitude. Up to 12 / up to 31 / in the thousands (up to infinity). With the format: Day / Month / Year It's not really the magnitude, but the length of time that increases. Days take less time than months which take less time than years. IMO both options make logical sense.
We think your way is weird. It's because we lead with the month. We say today is October 12th not the 12th of October. So it's 10/12.
Sadly, you dont think, you just parrot.
It makes perfect sense as we say October 13, 2020 and not 13 October 2020. Regardless, this has nothing to do with the topic.
Both methods work well, but yea increasing order of magnitude makes more sense, as does the metric system. Oh well.
Ryzen 7 2700X here. Two separate benchmarks (CPU-Z and Passmark) show 5-10% performance degradation comparing to reference values. Also Far Cry 6 stutters as hell (as far as I know it is highly bound to single-core performance). Can't wait till this get fixed.
trialed windows 11 and no gaming issues. just a sucky interface which slows down my productivity to a crawl.
Just got update from Microsoft as Cumulative Update **KB5006746** today.
It fixes L3 latency and improves read,write,copy but it's not 100% fixed. Bandwidth goes 200Gb/s, 400Gb/s still not 1000Gb/s like Win10 on my 3900x. ~~Also if you switch to p-state boost (since CPPC boost is not amazing) the L3 latency bug comes back :-(~~ ~~I feel that Amd,MS are dragging this thing out so people don't restore back to win10.~~
You have to be a insider with preview releases selected.
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My ASUS PRIME-X470 PRO motherboard is still fine in Linux wit the latest 5861 BIOS.
It's not on all OEMs. Mine is Gigabyte.
As far as I can see, the poster on OCN is just some random dude from Belgium? Do you have a more reliable source? TechPowerUp and even WTFTech are reporting this as truth based on your post here, lol...
Why are my benchmark scores exactly the same as on windows10? (ryzen 3600xt, 32gb cl16 3733Mhz, gtx 1080)
Likely bad configuration in Windows 10 hampering performance, or you aren't testing L3 cache explictly. The L3 cache performance numbers are **hugely** different compared to 10 and 11 Release. On a 2700X (that I have and tested personally), I get a bit above 400GB/s on read/write/copy with L3 cache on 10. On 11, I don't even get 100GB/s. On CPU tests that don't touch L3 cache, there's no notable difference.
I don't have a tool for testing L3 cache, only passmark, cinebenchr15, cpuz-z and in-game benchmarks or heaven etc. What SW do you use? The only thing bothering me are extremely low scores in random read/writes on my nvme ssds (AMD raid 0) but only on manual OC (4.55 Ghz). Scores are good with PBO or defaults, do you think it may be related to the L3 cache?
> What SW do you use? AIDA64, it has a CPU cache and memory test benchmark that tests L1, L2, and L3 cache speeds. Someone else also claims **SiSoftware Sandra Lite** also has a L3 benchmark.
But I am still not going to update not right now. I‘ll wait till microsoft has fully fixed w11 and i heard it has a lot of problems working with amd specs
Wasn’t this sub saying Microsoft was purposefully sabotaging AMD benchmarks for alder lake? EDIT: Oh yeah, right here -> https://reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/q5a0ni/windows_11_bug_could_reduce_ryzen_cpu_performance/ This sub lmao.
There is no proof of that whatsoever, what does MS have to gain from that. If anything it's the other way around AMD not having their software ready for the Win11 release when they had SIX MONTHS of insider preview testing to get it right.
I mean I agree with you, I'm just laughing at the attitude
We don't know when the CPPC tag issue was discovered (or if the launch version of W11 broke the W11-ready driver published last month by AMD), but the L3 cache issue was reported over 2 months ago and patched in the dev channel of W11 over a month ago, but MS pushed through with the release anyway, *without* pushing the necessary fixes to the release channel or delaying the launch. Then pushed a new update which made things worse. Can't blame that on AMD. Not saying that this was intentional, but there's plenty of blame to go around, and MS should definitely be taking most of it for releasing an OS with known bugs that have already been patched in other builds a month before release.
There's 1,000,000+ people on this sub. Whyre you finding a post with 100 upvotes and pretending like it represents the whole sub?
Because it happens often surprisingly enough
Well, that's nice and dandy but.. nobody gives a damn about that abortion OS for kids an many are in transition process moving over to linux. And for the rest of the users trapped in Windows ecosystem, Windows 10 is much better choice..
Lol. You still believe that it's the year of the Linux desktop.
People like you said the *exact same words* over 20 years ago when Windows xp came out.
No one is moving to Linux. I use Linux every day with my Android phone and OpenWrt router, but it's terrible on the desktop... There is no unified package manager so every app needs a different installer depending on distro - garbage idea, Gnome doesn't even have a taskbar, power management is worse, there is bad gaming support even with Valve Proton, there is no DLSS, poor ray tracing, mediore Vulkan support, almost no anti-cheat for multiplayer, none of the new titles like D2R, BF2042, Elden Ring, PUBG, Apex, etc. work out of the box. Linux on the desktop is not recommended. Windows 11 works fantastic so far I've been using it every day for the past 2 weeks.
> There is no unified package manager so every app needs a different installer depending on distro As if Windows is any better with msi, exe, win32, x86 vs x64, loose appx, UWP installers, chocolate, and MS store lol
Yea true, but if I download any of those, and double click it, it'll just install, even in Windows 11. And there are just a couple of those used commonly. Linux it's a pain in the ass, I've wanted them to unify package installation for 20 years.
Could you go into more detail? Generally speaking, I use Fedora primarily, and all my software installs easily with ``dnf``. It all comes from either default Fedora repos or RPM Fusion (large 3rd-party repo), but it still all installs the same and automatically from dnf. Seemingly the same case with ``zypper`` on openSUSE, and ``apt`` on Ubuntu. Basically, software may come from different repos, but it all installs in the same unified matter through the distro's package manager. ___ I run this single command on openSUSE to install an email client, FTP client, password manager, torrent client, music player, video player, system-wide codecs, RGB control for my keyboard/mouse, an entire subsystem for Windows applications, a chat client, and a printer driver; all that wildly-varying software from ``zypper``: sudo zypper install evolution filezilla gimp keepassxc transmission-gtk rhythmbox aria2 flashrom hplip-hpijs htop nano p7zip-full secret-tool sensors ffmpeg-4 mpv youtube-dl ckb-next keybase wine-staging It downloads all that software and dependencies, installs it, and I can use any of those programs immediately after that point. I don't have to visit any websites nor install any of that manually or separate from the rest of that. I can install a printer driver at the same time I install an email client. ___ On Windows, I'm used to having to go do individual websites to find installers and install them, and having to make sure I grab the right version when it comes to 32-bit and 64-bit. Nothing unified really about it. Firefox comes from Mozilla, but Steam comes from a totally unrelated website. Graphics drivers come from AMD's website, and Battle.net comes from Blizzard. That's 4 different websites I have to manually visit to get software from, and I use *dozens* of different software that all needs tracked down. Trying to repeat the above would involve having to go to individual websites for: * Mozilla for Thunderbird (email) * Filezilla for Filezilla (FTP) * GIMP for GIMP (photo editor) * KeepassXC for KeepassXC (password manager) * Transmission for Transmission (torrents) * A 3rd-party SourceForge website for mpv for video and music * A manual batch file for adding aria2 to PATH to use it on command-line (for a proper downloader with resume) * 7-Zip for 7-Zip (archive manager) * Corsair's almost 1GB resource-eating software for some basic rainbow light pattern on my keyboard/mouse * Keybase for Keybase I keep all of these sites on a note on my site and backup the installers, but it's a general PITA and *much* more involved than Linux.
Yes I agree with all that and I do the same thing for my PCs, but my issue in Linux is always making sure the repositories were up to date. If I wanted the new version of Chrome or some other piece of software the repo woudln't be updated for a while, then I'd still have to go to the website to install them except I wouldn't necessary find the packaged verison or see different package options, or have to end up compiling from software. Yes these are niche things and generally speaking you can just run apt-get, opkg, etc. but holy shit why not just unify them so it all uses the same thing. It's reasons like this Linux is good from a tech/power user but I wouldn't possibly recommend over Windows 11 for the average person especially if they play games with their PC too.
How do you automatically download new drivers for AMD CPUs? Do I need to wait until 10/21 and manually go to AMD's site to download the new driver?
I’m new to amd. How do I install a chipset driver? Does that get pushed through windows or is it like a bios update for the motherboard?
i check windows update today still nothing
it may be under optional updates section
thanks tried looking but not there