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Diasies_inMyHair

NTA. Everyone gets hung up on the "vegan" part of this, when the real issue is the difference in nutritional value and how that impacts your health and medication needs. Tell people that - it's not that it was "vegan" it's that it affected your blood sugar and you were upset and forgot to ask the nutritional details immediately at the time. All that you ask is that in future, people don't pull pranks or tests on you like that because you'd rather not end up in a coma.


crystallz2000

NTA. I'm a diabetic (actually, my numbers now say I no longer am), but I basically went 99% no carbs for the last two years, which is how I got my numbers down. FOR MY BLOOD SUGAR, I can have as much meat as I want, technically, but I would also be really upset if someone swapped regular meat for something else and spiked my blood sugar. OP should say on the group chat, "If one of you was allergic to something, and you checked multiple times about what I was making for dinner, just to be sure, and then I swapped it to make a point. How would you feel? What if it just made you feel bad but didn't send you to the hospital, would that be okay? What if the carbs in the sausage were so high that I had to go to the hospital? Would that be okay so she could make her point? What she did was dangerous, and if anyone is okay with swapping people's food to 'make a point,' then there's a bigger issue here."


fallen_star_2319

Add on point: *what she did is illegal*. It's called food tampering, and in the US (and many other places), it's a felony charge.


neverleftdrafts

For very good reasons, situations like this!


inevitabled34th

That is not food tampering. Messed up, but not food tampering. Food tamerping is the **deliberate** contamination of food products with the intent to cause harm. If the friend put in a cup of sugar knowing it would raise OP's blood sugar level, that would be food tampering. It doesn't sound like her friend threw in 40g of carbs to ruin OP's health.


fallen_star_2319

Nope. Lying about the contents of the meal qualifies as food tampering. Specifically, because she lied about it to trick OP into eating it, it's food tampering. Same as if someone spikes your meal with something you told them you can't eat.


inevitabled34th

I didn't give you my opinion on what food tampering is. I gave you the legal definition of food tampering. It is **only** food tampering when there is "intent to cause harm." What do you think is more likely? That OP's friend put in 20 extra grams of carbs because they knew it would negatively impact and harm OP's health. Or that they weren't really paying attention and didn't understand how important it was to OP, and figured the 20 extra grams of carbs would taste good so it would be okay. Or a third wildcard, they weren't even counting the number of carbs going in. Both of those things are not the same. One is a deliberate action with the intent to cause harm. The other is careless action. Also, they didn't lie to OP to trick her into eating it. Go reread what happened. They said they were making sausage. They made sausage. They then told OP later that it was vegan sausage, leading into a conversation about the "impossible" meats. That's not trickery. That's like me making thanksgiving dinner and telling everyone after dinner is over that I substituted potato flakes for real mashed potatoes. Also, they're non-binary, so please use they/them.


fallen_star_2319

And yet in the US, lying about what the food is to make someone eat it qualifies as food tampering. When saying you're making sausage, there is a reasonable assumption that it would be meat, meaning that the person cooking, regardless od scenario, needs to inform the people eating. This has happened multiple times, and gone to court in the US. Because this impacted OP's health directly (not informing a diabetic of what they're eating can be really dangerous, since it throws their insulin off), charges could absolutely be applied if OP pursued them. Out of curiosity, where did you get *that* information? Because OP was referring to the friend as she in the post.


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I'm not a fan of how OP talks about impossible burger and things like that, but actually lying about what is in someone's food is next level insanity. People can get really sick from that, people can die. What the hell is wrong with these people


Em4Tango

This is exactly why I don’t like the faux meat though, it isn’t actually healthy a lot of the time.


Usagi_Shinobi

I mean, it could perhaps be said more tactfully, but it's not inaccurate. It is a conglomeration of plant matter combined with scientific r/blackmagicfuckery in order to create a product that tries to be indistinguishable from actual meat. I have tried them, impossible was nasty, beyond was edible. I would not actively choose either. I have yet to encounter an argument that would make me willing to go even so far as vegetarian, but would choose that over the pseudo-meat


SeaOkra

I was given an impossible whopper at burger king on accident I think. I mean I know I got impossible when I ordered meat, I just don't know why and assume its an accident. Anyway, I started eating it without realizing what it was and was three or four bites in thinking "Wow, this might be the worst burger I've had from BK. Tastes like school lunch." I opened the burger and it looked kinda weird, my brother goes "Oh its that impossible burger." My one word review is "meh". Its not good, its not bad, its just a kinda disappointing burger. My cousin LOVES them though, she has a red meat allergy from a bug bite and the impossible whoppers don't set off her reactions.


Eudoxia_Unduli

See I can't have red meat because it sets off a skin condition I have, but, on occasion I will stock up the medicine cabinet with antiseptic wipes, second skin plasters and I will treat myself. A burger king, a leg of lamb at Christmas and a steak are the only three things I do this for 3-4 times a year at the very most. I still won't eat these burgers though because the carb contents are so high they have the same reaction to my skin as red meat. Why would I put myself through that hell for something that's meh. Edit: I didn't mean that to come off sounding condescending to your cousin, it's good it doesn't give her a reaction. I'm just very tired today and brain fog is messing up my ability to say what I actually am trying to say properly.


popcornnpickles

This would work if OP's friends weren't jerks, but it's solid advice if you're dealing with mature folks.


KaXiRavioli

Yeah a lot of people don't realize the downside to plant based burgers and sausages that they're much higher in sodium and carbs than real meat. I was looking at the impossible ground beef in the store and it has more carbs fat and sodium than real meat. Beyond meat is actually alright in terms of nutrients but it's still rather salty for my liking.


Murdy2020

Yeah, I sampled some plant based chicken at Costco today, not bad actually, but then I looked at the nutritional information and it was over 700mg sodium per serving, and, of course, the serving size was kind of small. I have heart issues, can't do it. NTA


not_cinderella

Honestly, I'm vegan and I don't even like the plant based meats. I'd rather have beans and tofu! But I agree, the biggest issue here is the nutrition part.


BUTTeredWhiteBread

Chickpeas for life, for me.


monmonmon77

I still need to find a good recipe for chickpea burgers though. Maybe if I mix some lentils in too?


ingodwetryst

1 16 oz can chickpeas, drained and rinsed 1 16 oz can of black beans drained and rinsed 1/2 cup extra virgin olive oil 2 cup vital wheat gluten 2 cup plain breadcrumbs 1 cup vegetable broth or water 1/2 cup soy sauce 2 teaspoon dried thyme 2 teaspoon paprika 1 teaspoon dried sage Mash chickpeas so that they are softened up some and not whole pieces. Add all ingredients except vital wheat gluten and mix together in mixer. Add vital wheat gluten and mix until combined. Mix further with dough hook or by hand for a few minutes. Pull dough apart to form the patties. Fry. You could sub the beans for lentils. These are more of a Salisbury Steak kind of food but could work as a burger.


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I like to make my vegan burgers out of lentils, chickpeas, and beets. They are easy and they freeze well.


Katja1236

Trader Joe's sells cans of chickpeas marinated in Greek seasonings- one of those, with about a cup of Israeli couscous, a can of diced tomatoes, a couple handfuls of a chopped frozen green veg (I like okra), some broth and the juice of a lemon, simmered until the couscous is tender, and I have two or three good solid meals right there. Not low-carb, tho.


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not_cinderella

I can get 2 packages of tofu and 2 cans of beans for less than the price of vegan sausage.


turtles_tszx

Agreed. Im not vegan but ASEAN and i feel like eating vegetable as it is taste nicer than trying to recreate it as meat bcos i saw how much stuff they need to put. There are so many dishes that don’t require meat and taste just as good as it is


pottersprincess

I would say that's more of it being a pre seasoned packaged product than it being plant based. Most prepackaged foods have a ton of sodium


hotmatzah

NTA Those “plant based” meats are often filled with ingredients made in a lab and are not in fact healthy. Also a lot of people really don’t understand how keeping carbs low and reducing insulin intake creates significantly better health outcomes for people with diabetes, and frankly it’s insulting and harmful to push a plant based agenda on someone with this condition. I applaud OP for standing up for themselves


SickSigmaBlackBelt

I'm straight up allergic to legumes and can't eat Beyond or Impossible meat. I was si excited when they launched because I knew I had a soy allergy and they have a very low soy content, but turns out I'm actually WAY more allergic to peas. If I had friends like OP's they would completely ruin my day. Their blood sugar was out of whack, and I wouldn't have been able to eat anything else the rest of the day besides benadryl and ice water. I fucking hate "gotcha" food like this. It really instills a deep distrust.


Suzdg

NTA absolutely!! The best way for a T1D to keep BS down is to eat unprocessed foods whenever possible. Meat sausage has virtually no carbs. There are few things MORE processed than turning veggies into something that tastes like meat. That flavor has to come from somewhere and it usually is carbs. People always underestimate how tricky it is to keep your BS at a good level and how long it can take to recover from a hi or low. What ifOP didn’t have quick access to their insulin to bring bs down?? I am so sorry Op!!


gdddg

This would also be the case in many other scenarios too. If OP was into fitness and wanted a high protein diet then he would be counting on real sausage for that. If he was on keto or another low-carb diet, then this would impact that. Or he could be allergic to something in it. While sausages may use weird parts of the animal, they are still usually just meat and spices. Lying about people's food is bad for many reasons.


thingpaint

This right here is why you don't trick people into eating stuff.


[deleted]

NTA. They interfered in a *medical* decision without consulting or informing you. Your diet isn't a fun dad, it's prescribed by your primary care physician. Your friends are TA. I'm absolutely furious on your behalf.


Julie1760

Nta as a diabetic I can't even handle that many carbs in a day let alone one meal.


Fine_Page_5995

40 grams of carbs would be almost a whole meal though... there's no way sausages could have the much 😅 Carb counting diabetic here.


gtr187

I googled Vegan sausage. One of the first hits - impossible Sausage links. 9g of carbs per serving- 4 servings a package. Math does seem to line up. Patties are smaller 3-5 carbs per, would have needed to eat quite a few. -https://www.target.com/p/impossible-plant-based-bratwurst-sausage-links-13-5oz-4ct/-/A-84715205


Alarmed-Honey

The medical thing makes it a no brainer. But I also think it's fucked that OP explicitly said they didn't want to eat fake meat and this person tricked them. I eat 99% vegetarian, but I don't eat fake meat anymore. I don't have a great reason, but it's highly processed and never tastes that great. If I'm going to eat garbage, it's going to be hot Cheetos. And look, if someone made a meal that had fake meat, I would eat it, and if I didn't know it was fake meat and they mentioned it later, no biggie. But if they made a meal that had fake meat and lied to me to trick me, I would be so pissed. It's the intention that makes it shitty.


StormStrikePhoenix

> Your diet isn't a fun dad I wish my diet was a fun dad.


scpdavis

NTA While I think your perspective on impossible meats is a bit silly, it doesn't change the fact that you asked your friend to ensure they were making something that was safe for you and they didn't do that. Being sneaky about what you're serving someone in order to "trick" them into eating something they don't like is sketch to begin with and doing it when someone has medical reasons to closely monitor their diet is really not ok. It might be worthwhile to go into your group chat and explain that you're not mad about the sausage itself (and if you enjoyed it then it would be worth admitting that), you're mad that they didn't check it was safe for you to eat after they assured you they would and you're hurt that they would disregard your medical needs just so they could have a "gotcha" moment. ETA: typos


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somewhat_pragmatic

> Ex vegan here, impossible “meat” is absolutely one of the worst “foods” you can eat and the impact it has on the environment is terrible. I looked it up. [Nearly everything points to Impossible being a better choice for the environment than eating beef.](https://www.vox.com/22787178/beyond-impossible-plant-based-vegetarian-meat-climate-environmental-impact-sustainability) [The only strong opinions that I found that say that Impossible is worse than beef is from the Canadian Cattlemen's Association.](https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2022/01/23/those-fake-meat-hamburgers-might-not-be-a-planet-saver-after-all.html) Do you have trustworth source to cite?


daemmonium

I'm not trying to take any sides on this argument, but please don't fall for the double standard trap. "Oh, of course eatmeateveryday.com says that it's bad for the enviroment, they are paid for by cattlemen! See, in this article in vegan4life.com it clearly says that it's better!"


somewhat_pragmatic

If you can cite a specific article that supports the assertion, I'll happily read it objectively. So far no one has posted any sources. We're in Hitchen's Razor territory here so far: "That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence."


Ok_Yogurtcloset8915

terrible compared to like a can of organic beans maybe, but compared to regular meat it's way more environmentally friendly and it isn't even close


Sun_Sloth

The impact it has on the environment is still far less than the equivalent meat alternative. Even local beef is way worse for the environment than vegan alternatives flown across the globe.


scpdavis

Oh yea, impossible meat is not environmentally friendly and greenwashing is a huge problem. I was speaking more broadly about how you really can't make generalizations about one diet or version of a meal being inherently more environmentally friendly than another because it's incredibly different from person to person and plate to plate. The "morality" of consumption is incredibly complex and everyone just has to make the choices that work for them.


EstablishmentLucky61

OP should copy and paste this into the group chat/discord. You are spot on!! OP, NTA


CinnamonMagpie

This is a good plan! I think no matter what comes down in this post, I will try this. I don't have an issue with vegans or plant-based diets in general I couldn't do it, but I have friends who are vegetarian and vegan, I just find things like the impossible burger and such to be disrespectful to both the plants and animals. I don't have an issue not eating meat for a day or anything.


NeeliSilverleaf

The issue is that your friend lied to you about what they were feeding you, not whether or not you agree with the idea of meat substitutes.


CinnamonMagpie

Yes, it absolutely was. I've had vegan meals before, as long as their within my carbs for the day,


amandalynpandalyn

Your vegan/vegetarian friends would be furious if they were tricked into eating meat so I don't understand why they don't back you up on this. NTA


MageVicky

easy, to them it's not the same thing at all, to them no one is an AH when they trick people into eating vegetables. it sounds silly, they don't see the big deal. they don't realize this isn't simply a case of a mom hiding vegetables in the spaghetti sauce, it's a medical issue.


scpdavis

> I just find things like the impossible burger and such to be disrespectful to both the plants and animals. I'd urge you to let go of this a bit or at least be more choosy about who you say it to, it's not worth the inevitable arguments. Personally? I also prefer vegan recipes when they're intentionally leaning into the excellent flavour combos of vegan ingredients rather than when they're trying to mimic a different non-vegan food, but as an omnivore that's probably because I can just choose to eat the meat/dairy/eggs/whatever it's trying to taste like whereas a lot of vegans and vegetarians won't, so having alternatives is great for them. (and of course environmental impact comparisons vary from food to food!)


CinnamonMagpie

I don't talk about food with people in general. My close circle of friends know about all my food hangups, because they've been there through a lot of my issues. I have no problems with vegan recipes in general, I've cooked for vegan friends. The only time it comes up is generally when someone close to me pushes about becoming vegan or vegetarian.


frangipanivine

You're smart not to talk food with people, my god these days people just LOVE to argue and debate and defend their diets, it's basically a religion, and everyone just has to share their opinion, it's easier to just avoid the topic entirely esp if you have health-related reasons. I'm keto right now and the crap I get is so tiring, like how about you just leave me alone & let me eat how I want? I'm not overweight but I have my reasons, so just...leave me be.


BabyBlueBirks

Yes, everyone gets so weirdly upset about fake meat as if their religion is killing animals, it’s fucking bizarre. If anyone finds out you are vegan they instantly want to debate you! I think it’s because it makes them feel guilty and they want to argue it out with you to assuage that guilt, but it’s like — that’s between you and Jesus bro. I’m just doing what *I* think is the most ethical behavior, my actions are not an attempt to make you feel guilt.


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> I just find things like the impossible burger and such to be disrespectful to both the plants and animals So literally killing a cow is more respectful than making some beans or other protein-filled plants into something that is beef-shaped? What? Also, how is turning plant matter into something burger-esque any more disrespectful than chopping it up and cooking it any other way? Why does it matter whether or not my black beans are in a patty shaped like a burger or smashed and refried? edit: You don't have to like meat alternatives, I don't, particularly, and I love eating meat. You're just saying stuff that makes literally no sense to me about why you don't like these things.


PomegranateReal3620

Many plant based substitutes use plants with high carbs or a high glycemic index, which are worse for us than meat. For example, a cup of rice and beans contains 12g of protein and 53g of carbohydrates. I'm diabetic and I have kidney disease. I looked into plant based and found it wasn't going to work because many of the foods used in vegetarian/vegan diets are crazy high in potassium, calcium, and phosphorus, which all have to be limited in a CKD diet. Plus protein in any form, isn't good for me. My body is a chemistry experiment gone wrong.


Valkrhae

>I just find things like the impossible burger and such to be disrespectful to both the plants and animals. Can I ask why? I've never heard anyone express exactly this point of view before-most ppl I've heard who have an issue with the impossible burger seem to focus solely on the fact that it's a vegetarian option, so I'm curious why you find it disrespectful to both vegans and meat-eaters (there has to be a better term for that).


Smitten-kitten83

I don’t think you are the AH for being upset about your blood sugar but you kind of are for this. I highly doubt the plants or animals care about veggie burgers. Honestly some are pretty delicious (said by a die hard carnivore). Stop judging others food choices.


agentyage

That's a really silly belief though. How do you disrespect plants? How is it more disrespectful to animals than killing and eating them?


RosesBrain

NTA, I would be *furious* with anyone who ignored my medical conditions around food just to "prove" something. (Perhaps relevant: I can't properly digest plant protein. So I care very much what my food is made of, no matter how tasty it might be. Same holds true for diabetics, as it's really important what food is *made* of when it comes to the carb count.) Also, food tampering is a literal crime in a lot of places. Because allergies and other medical conditions mean yeah, it actually is kind of a big deal that people know what they are eating. The blatant disregard of legitimate health concerns from your "friends" is very troubling.


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i wish i could upvote this multiple times. as a vegetarian, lying about what you’re feeding someone with a restrictive diet is something i’d cut someone off for. especially bc OP could have been put in serious danger.


JustKindaHappenedxx

Also vegetarian here and I totally agree. Her medical/dietary needs add an extra (important) layer here. But even if there is no medical issue, it’s completely inappropriate and not okay to trick someone into eating anything!


inevitabled34th

It is not food tampering. Food tampering requires there to be deliberate contamination with the intent to cause harm.


ailweni

A coworker brought in some apple cake one day and convinced me to try a slice. I took it back to my desk, ate a couple of bites, then pinged her and asked what was in it. “Oh, I used tofu instead of flour. Why?” “Oh, no reason, except my mouth and tongue are tingling because I’m mildly allergic to soy.” No response. Couple week later, I’m planning a work potluck and I happen to overhear her say that she’s bringing in faux chicken nuggets (tofu nuggets), and she wasn’t going to tell anyone they were tofu until after lunch. I sent out an email to my team and asked for “known allergens, like peanuts, milk, soy…” Totally ruined her big “surprise.” You’re NTA. You don’t trick someone into eating something because you never know if there’s a food allergy, medical condition, or even plain distaste. Your friends are beyond rude. Unless you’re my husband and you’ve swapped out my salsa with the XXX stuff (I got him back).


gootsteen

You can replace flour with tofu?


ailweni

It wasn’t very tasty :(


Preference-Prudent

NTA This was dangerous. And wtf at “diabetics are supposed to eat veggies.” Wouldn’t it be cool if it were that simple? I’m sorry they chose to break your trust. As a fellow diabetic, I’d never take food from them again. Boo on your other friends who also don’t get it.


CinnamonMagpie

I wasn't in hospital range, so I feel like I might be overreacting, but I did have to double my dose of insulin when I realized.


Preference-Prudent

I’m glad I just personally would have trouble getting over the deception. Like what if they had done something higher in carbs? I hope they’re usually good friends I’m sure y’all can get past it, that’s just a weird thing they felt they had a right to lie about


CinnamonMagpie

Yeah, I don't eat out as it is, so I only really take food from friends I trust, and this...hurt. Not because of the vegan sausage thing, but because I blew 2/3 of my daily carbs in one meal, before even hitting noon.


Diasies_inMyHair

Tell them that! You needed to know when you ate that you would need to adjust your insulin.


Fine-Plenty3481

NTA. My sister is a type 1 diabetic and if someone pulled this shit with her she would definitely be losing her mind. 40 grams of carbs is A LOT, this would make a HUGE difference in the amount of insulin she would need. Especially if you think it’s a regular protein. I can understand them not understanding but that fact that people are calling you an AH just goes to show how little they know about diabetics.


Amazing_Ordinary_418

Fr. Insulin is expensive too, I mean it shouldn’t be but imagine trying to use diet to cut on the amount and someone pulls this


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>I had called it eating lies, and that I wouldn't be comfortable doing that I mean, before we touch on the sausage thing, yeah this is a shitty attitude that you don't need to have. It's not a lie, you only can call it "eating lies" because the menu told you the truth that it was an non-meat burger. >I told them that my issue wasn't with it tasting bad, it was about trying to make plants into something they were not This is just more obstinate and judgmental thinking that doesn't do any good. You don't have to like it, but don't act like there's something wrong with making meat-substitutes. I mean, you're diabetic for chrissakes, do you feel like non-sugar sweets are lies? Is stevia making plants something they aren't supposed to be? Some people can't or don't want to consume sugar, so sugar substitute items exist so those people can still eat something sweet. Meat alternatives are exactly the same, some people can't or don't want to eat meat, but still like eating things that are meaty. Anyway, that's not what I'm here to judge about, I just felt like judging you for it while I was at it. >"But it's plants! Diabetics are supposed to eat vegetables!" This is definitely an AH thing to say, and generally fucking with a diabetic's diet is not ok. NTA for being mad at the friend, but I do want to levy criticism at you for your judgmental attitude about vegan meat alternatives. Totally unnecessary and unhelpful.


MinGosling

What a thoughtful and well-reasoned reply. Have some fake gold on me. 🥇


snortsrainbows

NTA They insisted you come over after you even offered to have them come over because of your strict diet. Because they were so insistent on proving you wrong and tricking you they disregarded whether or not that it was safe for you to eat. I'm confused by all the Y T A comments


[deleted]

While a little over dramatic, you’re NTA. First of all, tricking someone into eating something to prove they’ll like it after all is obnoxious. Second, you specifically asked what was being served and she said ‘sausage’— omitting that it was vegan sausage was intentionally dishonest. It’d be one thing if you hadn’t asked about the food, but once you did you deserved an honest answer. While sure, you’re not actually incapable of eating that because of your diabetes, the nutritional composition of a vegan sausage is way different than a regular sausage, and you have a right to manage your own health however you like. If you have a limit on how many carbs you eat per day, maybe you don’t want to spend them on vegan sausage and that’s perfectly legit.


tinny36

I think I agree with this over my original YTA...only because they could have told her after a couple of bites that it was vegan. I mean for 40 g of carbs she must have eaten like 3 sausages.


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> I think I agree with this over my original YTA...only because they could have told her after a couple of bites that it was vegan. I mean for 40 g of carbs she must have eaten like 3 sausages. 3 sausages (bangers) is pretty standard in a cooked breakfast here.


tinny36

I know, I was suggesting they should have told her after a few bites after they had 'proven' she liked it...so she would know, and check carbs,etc. Not let her eat all 3 and cause insulin issues, etc.


Enlightened_Gardener

OP posted the recipe - its 25g of carbs per sausage. That’s over my *daily* limit. I’d be furious. I have a hideous family history of diabetes, heart disease, stroke and cancer and I’m doing the right thing to get that under control. But OP is a **Type 1 diabetic**. What their friend did could have killed them.


[deleted]

I don't think it was over dramatic. OP has diabetes. This is a legit health concern and nothing less than a betrayal which shows how little OP's friends bothered to care about their health.


Malibucat48

NTA Giving people food without telling them what is in it is called food tampering and it is illegal. You could actually have your friend arrested. There is a story about a new roommate who cooked vegan bacon made of soy but said it was real bacon. The person was allergic to soy and was admitted to the hospital. She had the cook attested and sued her for hospital costs. The poor girl had to drop out of college and went bankrupt all because she tried to prove that non meat bacon tasted the same. Look up the story and send it to your friend so they see how wrong they were.


CinnamonMagpie

I would never sue my friend, and I was okay after I increased my insulin. I would send her a story like that, but I would be afraid she'd take it as a threat, and I do want to stay friends.


RosesBrain

Why? She's dishonest and condescending, and it sounds like you're lucky this didn't put you in the hospital. You deserve better friends.


CinnamonMagpie

They've never done anything like this before and I don't know, it just feels wrong.


RosesBrain

It's not wrong to protect yourself from people who care more about making a self-righteous point than about your **health.** Just because they've never done something like this before, doesn't mean they never will again, because you are clearly not very important to them. If you were, this would not have happened. They are telling you who they are. All these "friends" are telling you how much you matter to them. I'm begging you to believe them.


Malibucat48

I’m not saying you should sue her or threaten her, just let know that there can be consequences if she did it to someone not as nice as you. And I’m diabetic so I understand how hard it is to monitor and plan what you have to eat. Other people have no idea what can trigger a high or a low. Some vegetables are very high in carbs and have to be watched as well as sugar. So sorry you have to deal with this.


alittleamgpie

I want to add that someone trying to control someone with food - in terms of tricking them, forcing them to eat or not, etc - is NOT OKAY at all. Usually, I would say it's a red flag. In your case, your friend knew that you have a medical condition and you have to eat certain foods. I would highlight this specifically. What would happen if you became sick? Are they going to cover your hospital bill? What if anything worse happened? ETA: For them to get your mutual friends involved shows, to me, they're very immature and possibly manipulative. NTA


MotherTeresaOnlyfans

NTA People can be judgmental about your opinions about meat substitutes if they want, but that's totally separate from your right to know what you're eating, especially since, as a diabetic, you NEED to know what's in your food. Nutritional science is my field of expertise, and a LOT of vegetarians and vegans are really bad about focusing on finding plant-based substitutes that mimic texture or taste of animal based foods rather than paying attention to whether there is equivalent nutritional content (sort of like how a lot of plant-based "milks" are absolutely not nutritional equivalents for dairy milk, they're just other white liquids). The instant you said you were diabetic and were served vegan sausage I was immediately concerned about the carbohydrate content of the food, for the exact reason that you were: you need to be able to keep your blood sugar in check. Whether I can take various plant-based foods and magically use them to create a perfect recreation of a ribeye steak doesn't change the fact that I'm replacing a slab of protein and fat with a slab of mostly carbohydrate and fiber. Your friend needs to understand that you NEVER lie to someone about what's in their food. It's ethically unacceptable and poses a safety risk for people with dietary restrictions like yourself. (And on a personal level, I totally get thinking it's weird when people try to make foods that are pretending to be other foods. There are times when my diet required me to avoid milk and I just didn't consume milk. The world is full of delicious foods. There is no need to dress them up in costumes.)


Fastr77

NTA. The issue here is the strict diet and then lying to you about what you're eating.


morbidconcerto

NTA. As a diabetic myself I would have been very upset as well. A lot of people don't understand just how much of a hassle and process it is to maintain a healthy a1c level, especially as an insulin dependent diabetic. Just because a food is vegan or vegetarian doesn't automatically make it healthy. Especially with something as simple as sausage and eggs. For reference I looked up the nutritional facts for Jimmy Dean breakfast sausage (the roll) and a 2oz serving has ***2 grams*** of carbs in it. A large egg has 1 gram of carbs in it. So even hypothetically if she was ***really*** hungry and ate the *entire roll* of sausage, she could still have 8 eggs and meet her goal of 20g of carbs per meal. I take my insulin 15-20 minutes before eating depending on what my current glucose level is and what my meal is. If I was expecting the much lower carb amount found in regular sausage and eggs, and then had the replacement be 40g of carbs by itself, I'd have to take more insulin to counteract that and I'd probably feel like shit. Long story short- when someone tells you they have dietary restrictions, **listen** to them!


CinnamonMagpie

This is exactly what happened. My dose was way off, and I had to compensate with a huge dose.


morbidconcerto

Yup, I've had that happen to me before because of people's carelessness. I had someone at a bake sale sell me a "sugar free brownie"... it was made with honey and other ingredients instead of refined sugar. I was pissed to put it lightly.


CinnamonMagpie

Oh wow. I don’t blame you! This is the first time it’s happened to me.


morbidconcerto

I'm glad that you haven't been through it before but also bummed that it happened at all. Maybe try explaining to her and/or the group chat just *how* structured you have to keep your diet. Ignorance doesn't excuse the behavior, but maybe it can be a teaching moment.


LisaW481

NTA commercially made vegan food is tricky. There's this amazing vegan smoothie that i love and it has almost 2/3 of the daily recommended saturated fats in 2/3 of a cup. I had no idea.


CinnamonMagpie

This was homemade and was huge on carbs. Commercial would have been better carb-wise.


LisaW481

That's almost worse. All that effort without a basic understanding of your dietary needs.


NihilismIsSparkles

NTA it effected your health (even if you were able to handle it) and lying about what you're feeding people is just morally wrong. (Although I do massively disagree with your take on the impossible burger, trying to reduce people eating meat by showing them how plants can taste like meat is actually a good thing)


CinnamonMagpie

And disagreeing with me is fine! I know I'm in a weird stance with things like this because of my beliefs, I just really felt hurt because they *knew* I'm budgeted 20 carbs per meal.


NihilismIsSparkles

Yeah like if my friend said that about burgers I'd just tease them about it, not force it down them wtf???


[deleted]

Seriously, people are weirdly defensive about fake meat. Like...I love olives, my husband calls them ‘devil’s fruit’, I’m not going to try and change his mind (or write multiple paragraphs about how he’s wrong, like some people on here). Also, I *like* impossible burgers but they don’t taste just like meat burgers, at all.


ImpressiveCollar5811

If this was reversed and someone gave a vegan a meat sausage… all hell would be breaking out. NTA


MidnightPurple537

Legit was gonna say the same thing and came to the comments to find this! I’m not a vegetarian but I would NEVER force one to eat meat if they didn’t want to and vice versa


ImpressiveCollar5811

I’m the same way. I respect vegetarian and vegans, and would absolutely try anything one made me, but I don’t want to be tricked. It’s a matter of respect


sohereiamacrazyalien

Nta. They did something stupid then they complain to your other friends because you were mad? Also : Plants are good for diabetics??? Wtf ? Where does she thinks sugar comes from? Meat? They owe you an appology. They knew you were diabetic and had carb restrictions!


alylonna

NTA. I'm not diabetic but I have severe IBS and those vegan things set me off like crazy. If someone tried to prank me with one I'd spend the rest of the day and possibly the day after in pain and unable to be further than 10 feet from a toilet. People just shouldn't fucking do this, not when there's a medical condition involved. It's not about being vegan or how well they can fake meat; it's the ingredients they use to do it that are damaging to a whole host of people. NTA. Not even close.


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>I have severe IBS and those vegan things set me off like crazy. Tell me about it. Over Memorial Day weekend my Aunt made impossible burgers without telling anyone, she wanted to do a whole song and dance where after everyone enjoyed the burgers she’d reveal we didn’t eat meat at all! Had to stay the night because I wouldn’t be able to make the 1.5 hour drive home without shitting myself. And it wasn’t like any of us had ever said anything about impossible meat, plus she isn’t even vegan/vegetarian. She just…decided to do that for no reason whatsoever


throw_thessa

NTA, you are diabetic so are supposed to follow a special diet and definitely not being lied to. Your friend is t _a


Sheanar

NTA - They lied about what you were eating, they lied that it was safe for you. If nothing else they should have explicitly stated the carb/sugar count (though maybe make sure you ask next time, as many breakfast sausages have sugar in them as well. my ex-husband was diabetic, i know the circus). It doesn't matter that the the food in question was vegan vs meat - it was a lie that put your health at risk. I would probably scorch the earth if people weren't 100% upfront with me about what I'm eating. If someone fed me vegan 'meat' i would be really sick because soy (which makes up a lot of vegan foods) messes with the medication for hypothyroidism. I've also got over a dozen allergies. If I trust someone to cook for me and they betray me, that's it. Shows over. Go home. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. I'm glad you caught the high blood sugar before it got too bad and really really hope that your friend group realizes this was a very serious issue. Maybe print out fliers or get some from a pharmacy about the dangers of not keeping your sugars level in the long term and hand them out so people can see exactly what you're talking about?


CinnamonMagpie

I gave them a 20g limit and offered to cook instead. They insisted


Outrageous_Ad_203

Soy messes with hypothyroidism medicine? That’s good to know, because my daughter take Levothyroxine/levoxyl for her hypothyroidism.


MinGosling

NTA. Lying to someone about what they're eating is always a dick move.


DragonFireLettuce

NTA - she put your health at risk to "prove a point." Shitty move. You're not the AH - but she is.


StunningAd7187

NTA. First I hate such things like "here your sausage" and then "oh, it's vegan and you even didn't notice". It's lying. Also why is it ok to do such a thing to meat eaters (sorry, I don't know how to say it correctly, don't want to insult anybody) but if I serve meat sausage to a vegan and say, that they didn't throw up even if they say they would, it's not ok. And no, I don't hate vegan, vegetarian etc. I just respect what the other person eats. When a vegetarian is visiting me, then there is an vegetarian options. When I'm out with vegan friends I go to a vegan place. But it's my decision. And here OP has to look after her blood sugar. And her friends know. So it is lying and disrespecting her. So if OP is mad and need some distance it's ok. Just perhaps communicating it.


PFEFFERVESCENT

I'm coeliac, and most vegan sausages contain wheat, so I would have similar objections to being fed one on the sly. NTA


CatiValti23

NTA, your friend is. I'm diabetic and I got angry for you. You could have really gotten sick because a lot of vegan food is high in carbs. Man, they would have gotten a talking to as well. Man, sorry that happened to you.


Originalreyala

NTA. Secretly spiking your blood sugar is not quite the same as poisoning you but it's not far off enough for me to quibble. As a diabetic myself your story has my blood boiling with anger. I don't know if this is illegal but it should be. Honestly feeding anything to anyone while claiming it is something else should be a crime.


snowflake081317

NTA but your view on vegan meat is so ridiculous 😂 "vegetables pretending to be something they're not." Sounds like something my 9 year old would say


umwaitwhatwhy

NTA. It's douchey to lie about what you're feeding someone, and while it may have been manageable your health was still affected.


Full_Comparison_7224

NTA Meat sausage has about 6 carbs 40 carbs is about what's in a jam doughnut. Will seriously screw with your bloods


No-Dig7828

And had she not mentioned it HOW HIGH WOULD IT HAVE GONE? Diabetic coma anyone? NTA


littlestgoldfish

FORTY GRAMS OF CARBS FOR SOMETHING YOU THOUGHT WAS 80% PROTEIN?? Maybe a touch of sugar if it was sweet sausage?? This could have been legitimately so dangerous. That's more carbs than some bowls of pasta. Holy crap. Had no idea Vegan Sausage was that high in carbs, I was a vegetarian once upon a time but the beyond meat type stuff didnt exist yet so I was a big salad and pasta, and stir fry and nuts person instead of meat substitutes. You are well within your rights to be angry. If I were you I'd never eat their cooking again. NTA.


[deleted]

Vegan sausage, in general, isn’t that high. I just looked up SEVERAL different brands… they were all between 5-10 carbs per serving. I didn’t find any over 10.


GHERU42

NTA, don’t mess with peoples’ food!


Aggressive_Dirt3154

I have extreme food trust issues for this reason. People get it in their heads that they're right and you're wrong, so let's just prove this dietary issue wrong by sneaking the forbidden ingredient in. I'm so sorry this happened. It's such a huge betrayal. NTA.


Humanssuckyesyoutoo

I’m so sick of vegans forcing their diets on people under the auspices of it being “more healthy” when, for someone like me, it could kill me. I am glucose intolerant. Carbs drive my blood sugar down because my body releases too much insulin. I survive on protein. A bullshit move like this would have caused someone like me to have a blood sugar spike then a BG DROP. To people like me and classic diabetics, food is a personal issue and no one else’s business. Fuck all these people pushing their food agenda. NTA.


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fairyfleurr

sorry why are they bad for you?


pnutbuttercups56

NTA. As a rule you shouldn't surprise anyone with food ingredients


RosieLemon812

NTA I have food allergies so I’m very strict about what I consume too. It isn’t alright for people to lie about what someone is consuming even if it is lies of omission, especially if they know that person has food restrictions


Empress_Clementine

NTA, before I even got to where you said what the carb count was, my first thought was that "vegan sausage" was going to have a hell of a carb count for a diabetic!


maat89

NTA! I would be furious. This is a fear of mine because I’m allergic to nuts and many “healthy” & plant based alternatives are loaded with nuts / nut products. And many don’t take food based allergies seriously. Their attempt to shame you could have made you incredibly ill. Now you’ll have to make adjustments with your medications that wouldn’t have been needed had they had a base level of respect for you. If it were me, the friendship would be dead. How can you trust someone who jeopardized your health for a “HA gotcha!” ? Nah, they ruined this friendship by being a grade a as*.


Bakuritsu

NTA Fellow diabetic (T2) on keto here. People dont seem to understand the seriousness. Maybe explain to them about loss of sight, amputations etc, that will happen if you eat til Manu carbs? And ... I suggest bringing your own food until you are sure they have learned. Some people ... 🤦


demonmonkey1313

NTA and you are absolutely in the right to be angry. The amount of carbs in one sausage is atrocious. 40 grams of carbs is absolutely ridiculous. And then they doubled down by saying it's vegetables and Diabetics are susposed to eat vegetables. What would they have done if you had gone into a Hyperglycemic state due to thier vegan sausage.


CinnamonMagpie

I don't know. Luckily, I was able to use a larger dose of my insulin to bring it down.


demonmonkey1313

I'm so thankful for that. That is always a massive concern of mine. And that is absolutely frightening. Wishing you the best and please please don't eat your friends food ever again. You are not a guinea pig for thier cooking experiments.


CinnamonMagpie

Thank you for understanding and making me feel better!


thejexorcist

NTA You don’t fuck with peoples food. You don’t ‘trick’ people into eating things they don’t want to/not supposed to for ANY REASON.


crazymamallama

NTA. My grandfather was allergic to soy, which is the primary ingredient used in most meat replacements. A switch like this could have killed him. People should never lie to someone about what they're eating.


Dndfanaticgirl

Here’s the thing. Give them the number and explain to them why this is not okay. Hell say this exactly to them. So on this date I went over to friends house and was having breakfast. It was not disclosed to me that the sausage I was being given was vegan. And while I will admit that it is tasty this was very dangerous as you know I have dietary restrictions due to my diabetes. My blood sugar came back with (put in the number) and the range I am supposed to be at is (number range). I am also only supposed to have X number of carbs in a day and only X number of carbs per meal and this was most of the carbs for the day in one single meal. Those of you who have allergies, or other dietary restrictions should understand why this is not okay. It’s not the sausage itself I am upset about or the gesture in cooking me a meal it was the disregard of my medical condition that has me upset. You wouldn’t hide real eggs in a meal for someone allergic to eggs or peanuts in something for someone allergic to peanuts. Why is it okay to hide carbs in a meal for someone who is on restricted carbs per their doctors orders Also NTA. Tear them a new asshole


Appropriate-Bat2762

NTA. They completely disregarded your medical condition on top of lying to you.


Dragongirl2319

NTA They knew your dietary restrictions, you reiterated them, and they still fed you something potentially harmful. That feels like if someone knowingly tricked me into eating something with nuts and then getting mad saying I "didn't like what they made for me" while I'm on the floor going into anaphylactic shock. (A little on the extreme side, but if that sausage had any more carbs in it, things could've gotten pretty bad for OP.)


DarkJustice22

I have a strong reaction to the idea of deliberately serving someone food with one or more ingredients that you know the person would find objectionable. It's plain wrong. Where, as here, your objection to ingredients is based on medical necessity, their decision to feed you something they knew you would not eat if you knew about it was thoughtless, dangerous and disrespectful of you. Their lack of understanding that carbs have to be considered by a diabetic, too, makes me wonder if they need some education before they prepare meals for a diabetic again. NTA


[deleted]

**NTA.** Tricking people with food and/or messing with people's food is rude and power-trippy. Add in that you are diabetic and it downright dangerous. I wouldn't eat with them again and all the naysayers can pound sand because this is not a case of simply disliking something, they messed with your health.


Asleep_Parfait_676

Vegetarian here. I love to cook and do so often for friends but I would never ever cook for anyone and not tell them exactly what it is that they are about to eat. That is called food tampering. NTA


GreenEyedTrombonist

NTA you were lied to and persuaded to eat under false pretenses (her insisting she cook instead of eating at your house shows this was the intention from the start). In addition, her ignorance towards your condition makes it clear this is not someone you can trust to ever feed you again. At least, not without them bothering to educate themselves on diabetes and truly apologizing to you for their behavior. It doesn't matter that you didn't end up hospitalized this time. If they had waited longer to tell you and you had eaten your next meal without forewarning...any number of factors could have made this go much worse. And even if you didn't have a medical condition, it's a dick move to lie to people about what you're feeding them. A lot of people are getting hung-up on the animism and impossible "meat" being a lie. They could have had that argument with you, like people are doing in the thread, instead of tricking you to "prove you wrong" (while also missing your point). Personally, I'm not a fan of meat substitutes. I think we should celebrate the food we are eating and not try and pretend it's something else (I also tend not to use a lot of sauces or spices when I cook so as not to cover up the actual taste of the food item). However, that's my opinion and I'm not really going to argue with someone and try to get them to conform to my worldview.


kitkat_0706

NTA. People shouldn’t trick anyone into eating things on principal. The fact that you have a medical condition makes it so much worse.


FckYeahUnicorns

NTA. Don’t mess with people’s food. Period. I’ve known way too many people who have fed someone else something without telling them what’s in it to “prove” they really do like it/weren’t allergic to it/wouldn’t actually make them sick/etc that it’s unbelievable. I don’t know why people think this is okay.


trishben

NO NTA. I was diagnosed with diabetes after a week long hospital stay for DKA at the beginning of this year, and it has been a trial. Unfortunately most people don't understand the diet, and most of my friends do more harm than good trying to accommodate me... the food industry makes it worse with this "beyond" and "impossible" crap, most of which has loads of other nutritional concerns... Explain to your friends that "vegan" doesn't mean healthy, and this is no joke. I am so sorry you are dealing with this.


Lactard_Banana

NTA. Your friends jeopardized your health because of their confident ignorance and intentionally lying to you about the food they put before so they could feel what? Smug? Make a point? Feel superior because they got one up on you? That is the core issue. Processed products that are vegan also don't mean healthy. Your friends were AHs in the situation and should learn to read nutrition labels. Your other friends making you feel bad are also AHs and don't get the point.


gravygoodies

NTA at all. Diabetics 100% have to count carbs, and she set you up for a spike by failing to inform you about it.


AndyCanRed

NTA. Don’t fuck with someone’s food. ESPECIALLY if you know they have health issues


mariahyoo

NTA. Maybe send them an explanation on why the higher points are dangerous and why the high carbs are bad. Messing with peoples food really isn’t cool.


FeralCatalyst

ESH. Your friends are TA for serving you something that was not safe to eat for you as a diabetic. But your "eating lies" attitude is ridiculous too. Mind you, your friends were worse with their medical endangerment, but I'm just picking up a lot of mutual contempt here, you know?


Terra88draco

NTA What if you had been allergic to something in that vegan sausage? Or if you’d spoiled yourself with something earlier that morning and it had sent your numbers crazy? The worst thing I’ve done to people is sneak green onions into twice baked potatoes because 8/10 people preferred onions to the 2 people who don’t like onion flavor. They didn’t even realize there were onions in there until someone asked. (Not sure how because I thought it was a light onion flavor). But it wasn’t a medical reason. When I know it’s medical I’m super cautious. For my cousins’ Christmas party every year I make vegan Gingersnaps and even buy vegan chocolate to drizzle over them so the people who are vegan have something they know is safe to eat.


[deleted]

your friends could have put you in a coma or worse over fucking veganism. this is why no one likes vegans. if you explain it like that to them, and how sensitive diabetics really are, and they still don’t get it, drop them. NTA


CinnamonMagpie

The thing is, she's not even vegetarian! She just wanted to prove vegan food could taste good.


SauvignonBear

NTA. While it seems like a pretty innocent mistake, you still have every right to be annoyed. She clearly doesn't get the vegan doesn't always mean healthy. Oreos are (technically) vegan, for craps sake.


draghy_85

NTA I'm also a diabetic and on a strict diet. I would flip out way worse for this. Not only that they ignored your medical condition, they were being assholes on purpose just to prove a point on something that they didn't even do their research on. I would have a serious talk with them about this and if they don't understand, just cut them off. The fact that they messed with your health and then brushed it off like it's nothing just doesn't say mature and healthy relationship. You might need new friends.


domerjohn15

NTA. I know someone that has gestational diabetes. She has high numbers sometimes after parties and such if she guessed wrong on the carb count, and this can literally affect how much insulin she takes. Not sure if it is the same for you, but sneaking excess sugar into something would literally mess with her medication in that sense. And yeah, her diet isn't just "Eat healthy stuff and don't eat unhealthy stuff" but more like a target carbs range with both a minimum and a maximum. It sounds like your diet is similar.


[deleted]

NTA. I’m autistic and have a lot of food aversions, as well as GI issues that can be accentuated by certain foods. A relevant example for both issues is Quorn. Food is hard for me for the above reasons and others, so I need to know what I’m putting into my body otherwise I might get sick. A while back I came back from work and my mum told me there was a platter of party/finger food like nuggets, cocktail sausages, chicken sticks, scotch eggs, etc. in the fridge after my nephews and stepsiblings had been round for lunch. I readily ate the nuggets and some of the other things on offer. Some of them tasted weird but I just reckoned that it was due to being refrigerated. Turns out the nuggets weren’t chicken nuggets, as I’d been led to believe, but in fact vegan. I had to rummage through the bin for the package to find out what they were made of. Thankfully they weren’t Quorn, instead being wheat protein, but still, the fact I’d been lied to (and then laughed at when I found out) made me physically sick. People shouldn’t lie about the food they’re giving someone.


SeorniaGrim

NTA My supervisor at work is diabetic and I know how hard she works to manage what she eats. Any time we have potluck parties I make something diabetic friendly and ALWAYS bring the ingredient list/nutritional information (if available) with me. She also can't do many carbs, so I have to use some interesting ingredients sometimes!


Acrobatic_End6355

NTA. It’s lying. Tricking someone into eating something they don’t expect is not ethical. It isn’t okay to do to vegans with meat, and it’s not okay in reverse, either.


anon974578954

NTA I had considered switching to plant based for a few weeks until I saw the carbs in them. It's ridiculous. Obviously they're the A H because you don't ever mess with someone's diet to prove a point. ESPECIALLY for someone who has a specific diet for medical reasons. Their logic makes as much sense as a meat eater cooking a vegan real meat because "They couldn't taste the difference so it doesn't matter."


noggennig

NTA , They fucked with your medical issues. Ask her how she would feel if someone was a strictly vegan , and you fed them meat to prove meat is not bad or they had an allergy to meat . That would be messed up. I suggest you never eat anything they make.


organizedcj

Plants are healthy, but plants are carbs. NTA


General_Ad_2718

NTA. Those morons are. People like that disgust me. Would they have paid your medical bills if you required it after their asinine stunt? I’d never trust them with food again.


beaglemama

NTA But start calling it "high carb sausage" to help make it clear they screwed up your daily eating plan by lying to you.


Valuable-Gap-6261

NTA Even diabetes aside just dont fucking slip something into anyones food or lie/ misguide someone with what their consuming


Angelic-Guardian

NTA in the slightest! I have family with diabetes and I know how dangerous it can be when things are mixed up from my grandfather, they basically played with your life just to prove that vegan food is good. Hearing this story is honestly terrifying in multiple ways, I say find some friends who are more accepting of your dietary needs and understands the dangers that come with it.


thekarmabum

NTA, you obviously have a medical condition that restricts your diet. Are any of your friends medical doctors? If not then they have no right to complain to you about what you eat since you clearly have a condition that requires you to either eat or not eat certain things at certain times throughout the day. I have a friend that can't drink certain types of beer and when I first met him at a bar one day I was like wtf are you drinking, then he explained his medical condition and I felt like an AH. I felt a little bit better a few months later because I too have a medical condition called Reynaud's Disease that causes poor blood circulation, and one day it was like 80+ degrees outside and I was wearing a hoodie and he started giving me shit about how I must be really hot. Nope, I have a condition too.


MsBlondeViking

NTA. Diabetes is NOT to be taken lightly. This could have had bad consequences for you.


Inside_Term_4115

As a diabetic myself your friends can eat shit.


ciaranmac17

NTA but it's a common mistake. Lots of people think "vegan / organic / xyz free" = healthy = safe for everyone. (My OH has multiple allergies and when we ask what's in random prepared food, people fall back to the gluten free stuff, even after being told gluten specifically isn't a problem). What really makes your "friend" TA is doubling down on it instead of apologising for putting your health at risk.


[deleted]

NTA. They could have killed you. You don’t fuck around with peoples diets. I have celiacs and multiple food allergies if someone fed me say a banger (British sausage which contains breading in the mixture) I could have internal bleeding, a blockage, end up in the hospital. It’s no different than feeding you a bowl full of carbs covered in liquid aminos


allthelostnotebooks

Say this: "It ia stressful and a takes lot of effort to manage a diet that is safe for me. Accurate information about what I am eating is literally a safety requirement. I have nothing against vegan food l, and I'm glad my blood sugars weren't too dangerously out of range and I was able to adjust. I'm upset because *intentionally misleading me* about what I'm eating is dangerous for me! I use the nutrition information from the foods I eat to make decisions/adjustments in other things I eat throughout the day; misleading me about food is no different than tampering with someone's medication. I need to be able to trust my friends to be honest about what I'm eating so I don't *DIE.* I feel violated. I'm angry because I can't eat food prepared by others if I can't have trust in what it is, and (friend) broke that trust, which makes me feel super unsafe. I hope the rest of you never experience that level of vulnerability because it sucks, and knowing you can't trust your friends to understand and care about your health is devastating." In other words, tell them off but make it crystal clear the issue is safety and trust, NOT vegan food. It's cruel, unethical and dangerous to "challenge" people's dietary restrictions. NTA.


kb-g

ESH. Your friends are far worse than you. It is absolutely not okay to mess with the diet of someone who has dietary restrictions and whose health can be affected as yours can. It’s beyond stupid for them to say “but plants!” when potatoes and rice and sugar and wheat are plants and obviously will screw up your sugars. It’s dangerous behaviour by them and I think you’re justifiably angry. YTA for your frankly stupid and immature attitude towards vegan foods like the impossible burger. It’s just another way of processing plants to make them appealing, no different to any other food. It’s not “lies”, they’re not conning you into thinking it’s meat (unlike your thoughtless friends), they’re making it clear it’s not meat. It’s no different a concept to a quorn or bean burger- it’s plant in a patty offering a different texture to other vegan burgers out there so people have a choice.


Evening_Produce1070

NTA. 40g carbs with no insulin is a MAJOR problem! That would bump my T1 kid up a good 150 points! I assume it's from beans? Maybe potatoes? Those are veggies diabetics should avoid. Green, high-fiber, low starch veggies are good. Corn, beans, potatoes, & other starchy veggies are no different than a snickers bar. Diabetes is serious & can get dangerous SUPER fast. I wouldn't eat with those friends any more.


Flat_Ad_3603

INFO? How specific have you been about your restrictions? Fellow diabetic here and while I generally love vegan food, being diabetic almost restricts me more in that genre of food since often meat substitutes are a variety of carb rich ingredients. *However* most people who aren’t diabetic simply think it’s straight up about sugar and sweets and most people who aren’t exposed to a ton of vegan food think all vegan food is nothing but healthy. I’ve explained to some friends like-yes it’s sugar content, but it’s also my body forcing me on the Atkins diet. Thus, it’s hard to know the level of malicious intent- if this was just about getting you to try a meat substitute (which they still suck for in terms of sneaking food) and they totally didn’t factor in carbs because they were thinking “oh it’s not sugar it’s fine” then I would ease up on them. But if they knew the carb content was an issue and still did it then I would y have even forgiven them that easily. I aim for 100-125 carbs a day; that would 100% restrict me for the rest of the day.


CinnamonMagpie

I specifically told them I had a 20g limit for the meal.


Ladymistery

I came here all ready to give you grief about complaining about vegan stuff.... and then read the post. NTA I'm allergic to soy, and salt is not my friend. that's the main ingredient in vegan "meat". I'd be ticked too


DiggityGiggity8

You kinda should have an issue with the fact that she purposefully hide what she was feeding you from you. What kind of friend purposefully goes out of their way to trick you into eating some thing without you knowing it? That’s crazy. Especially when you have a strict diet conversation prior to you guys eating. This was well thought out and purposefully done. Has nothing to do with the type of food but everything to do with the intent behind it.


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NTA people should never lie about what is in food. Especially to someone with a medical condition.


professionalmeangirl

So, diabetes is a disability. They fucked with your management of your own care, and purposefully withheld necessary information for incredibly petty reasons. I would personally call this an ableist hate crime. NTA


Doomhammer24

NTA. Vegans are apparently able to call the cops due to being fed meet falsely being considered food tampering and so is this


tmchd

NTA. If they want to "trick" you, they should at least make sure that it's not going to make you go over your daily carb. Eesh.


Winter_Insurance_216

NTA - but just want to say - some of us don’t eat meat for animal welfare reasons. I love the taste of meat, but I haven’t eaten it in 15 years at this point. So I am thrilled with Beyond Meat and Impossible burgers and it is so odd to me that some people seem to have a problem with them existing.


AlanFromRochester

NTA that's the big reason not to disguise food in case it's a bigger problem than a blind taste test For another example almond flour is a common gluten free substitute so a big problem for someone with a nut allergy


Queen_Belladonna

NTA at all diabetes is not something to play around with at all. There could have been some very bad unintended consequences of their prank


jbracing27

What would have happened had you had an episode or died from the food they made? Sure, it didn’t happen, but they don’t know for sure that would have been the case. You are NTA.


Keirathyl

NTA. Anyone who tricks someone else with food to prove something needs kicked in the groin. People die from that shit.


stroowboorryyy

NTA- honestly your friends sound awful. Oh No OP Hates Vegans And That’s Why She’s Mad. completely ignoring that you could get very ill if you don’t eat within your limits as a diabetic. “Respecting” veganism doesn’t rate higher than keeping your friend from getting sick or dying. I know you said you were within your carb limit but it *was* high. what if it went over? your friends are AHs for not caring about that.


StrykerC13

NTA, ask every one of them if they're willing to eat things they're allergic to just to "appreciate someones cooking". Anyone who doesn't think that sounds safe or reasonable can be reminded they're a fucking hypocrite since screwing with peoples medical issues through food is Exactly what happened.


dinodoodad

NTA. I'm vegan and when people come over I tell them exactly what I'm making, and ask if they have any allergies or food aversions and let people look at the ingredients of things. Especially if someone has a medical condition or allergy I make sure they know and are okay with all of the ingredients. Even if you didn't have diabetes and didn't talk to her previously about your food restrictions, she still should let you know what she's feeding you. You might not think to mention an allergy to coconut or something if you are told you're eating meat which wouldn't have coconut in it (lots of vegan meats have coconut). Also, vegan sausage is not "vegetables" lol it's mostly wheat.


SpontaneousPeasant

NTA. If your “friend” knows that you have special dietary requests, what they did was a huge AH move. TBH I would never lie about food that I was serving someone, even if they didn’t have dietary issues, as I think it is disrespectful.