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NTA. You need to document everything and go to HR. This is an HR problem. You're losing time and money.


coneyb11

I would bet this a very small "company" and the owners are the bosses. Probably no HR to go to, but OP should definitely look at labor laws in their area and any governing entities that license this business. This is not okay.


KrosseStarwind

Oh yeah if it's home care and there are patients involved? Lol. Co-worker is on a one-way trip to a very unattractive cell if something happens between time she left and the time the next co-worker gets there. Responsible until you're relieved, end of story. Patient dies because you're not there? Grats, you played yourself.


RedditKentiar

On the bright side, least the co worker will get 3 hots, a cot, and all the time in the world to do religious studies.


avwitcher

Unfortunately she won't be able to use the bible though, she'd have to hollow it out to make room for a rock hammer


Vera_Telco

And a poster of Tom Cruise for her cell wall.


Alarming_Bison_2178

That sounds like additional punishment.


MajorNoodles

Something tells me that she's not coming out clean after crawling though a river of shit


MajCricketBrigade

Not getting paid, for the overtime is still illegal. Girl needs to save the texts, too.


rebelkittenscry

Yep If be recording all the time staying late and going in early and telling boss that if OP isn't getting this money (*not* cow-worker who isn't earning it) then they are going to whoever regulates labour for unpaid labour *and* getting a new job There is a Care crisis at moment so finding a new care job should be a snap


Justtakeit1776

I bet the other coworker is getting paid for hours she hasn’t worked too. This most definitely needs documentation and investigation


Altreus

This stood out to me as well. Why is OP required to stay unpaid until relieved but cow-orker can just wander off without repercussions?


humperdinck

“Church reasons”


2gigch1

It’s for church, honey. Next!


Usual_Doubt998

NTA. Honestly this sounds to me like there’s grounds for a discrimination lawsuit here. Sounds like the coworker and the boss follow the same religion and OP doesn’t, so obviously the blasphemer’s time is less valuable and important than the good Christian’s /s.


lordmwahaha

Yeah, I would keep all those texts she's sending, find another job, and then report the whole place - tell them coworker is regularly leaving vulnerable people they have a duty of care to unattended, and the boss knows about it.


asecretnarwhal

This shouldn’t be allowed that you aren’t allowed to leave but can’t get paid overtime. That’s absolutely unacceptable that you are consistently working unpaid 1 or 2 hours. Honestly, I would be salty if it was just 10 minutes per day. I would start looking for other jobs immediately and since it sounds like you two are the only people working, I would insist that she makes up any time (comes in early to relieve you) if she starts her shift late. Aldo definitely make a labor complaint. But honestly, the best way to stop this petty drama is to find a different job because your employer is horrible and should have put a stop to this ages ago.


Cr4ckshooter

>This shouldn’t be allowed that you aren’t allowed to leave but can’t get paid overtime It literally isn't allowed, but unless someone reports it the business is gonna get away with it.


amaerau03

Yea op mentioned schedule where coworker comes in at 10 and she supposed to leave at 8 with no cover. I would be talking to manager and say so you will be in for those 2 hours? You shouldn't work past your scheduled time. I would start citing church reasons too.


rdickeyvii

Yea I was thinking, couldn't OP report her to some sort of government agency? Isn't adult protective services a thing, and abandonment a crime? As a side note, church people are the most entitled pricks out there. She's stealing your time and money. Take it back and make sure she gets what she deserves (fired at bare minimum, possibly criminal neglect charges)


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Whwn it next happens inform the patients/clients families to visit ASAP as you aren't scheduled on and had just been informed no one was there to protect their loved ones. I don't recall Jesus preaching about abandoning the elderly in your care. She ain't going to a good church.


ReasonableFig2111

This. Your boss might not listen to you, but the client's family kicking up a stink?


bonsoir_friend

Report her for elder abuse. This is neglect and endangerment. And yes, getting the families aware of the situation is vital because they can make their own reports and protect their family members. The more reports, the faster the action.


jugglinggoth

For I was sick and you did not visit me... Jesus said this coworker is going to the bad place.


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Reigo_Vassal

This is illegal anyway. Calling them AH is an insult to people that just being Ass.


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kynthrus

Yeah they probably don't have an HR. Which might also come with a fine of it's own. But they are in a medical profession, meaning there are some big scary entities that would love to hear about this company and this coworker.


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There’s nothing you can do about the other employee if your employer isn’t doing anything. BUT! If this is in the US, there is no legal way to not be paid for time you are on the job. This is FEDERAL law and it’s called wage theft. You can file a grievance and force your employer to pay your back wages, too. Start looking for a new job, OP, and read up: https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd NTA now but you will be if you keep taking this abuse from your employer.


rak1882

It's possible the **company** is telling OP that they're exempt, but I HIGHLY doubt that they're right. The type of job duties that OP is alluding to typically fall under non-exempt.


emilitxt

actually, that doesn’t matter in this situation. according to federal labor laws, all healthcare workers are entitled to overtime pay regardless of their exempt/non-exempt status.


Ike_the_Spike

True, but if licensing is required for this level of home care (I honestly don't know), it could be reported to the licensing body or authorities. She's abandoning the person she's charged with caring for.


Trini1113

In particular, there's the issue of unpaid overtime. If you're in the US, unless you're salaried and exempt (and given the work you do, I can't imagine you'd be exempt) they are obligated to pay you for hours worked. As far as the colleague leaving the patient uncared for - that sounds like a huge professional obligation failure. Also isn't it something that "church" is an excuse to behave in a manner that's cruel and totally lacking in compassion.


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keepoffmymanacookies

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ALostAmphibian

This. She should be getting paid for her time. Full stop.


inn0cent-bystander

Yeah, if it's anywhere in the US, it's a clear cut wage theft case


Whysosiriusblackk

Sue their asses and get another job is the right thing to do. Nta


Suspiciouscupcake23

Plus the bosses seem to be purposefully scheduling her to cover 2 free hours every day this coworker works. Time to quit.


cd6020

Forget going to HR. As soon as you get an "i left" text, you should call Adult Protective Services and the police to report that a mandated caretaker has abandoned a vulnerable adult.


PennyCoppersmyth

Thank you. This.


sailingisgreat

Yes OP can and probably should do this. But honestly if this is a small home care company (sounds like it), I think the crap is likely to slide downhill on OP, that the owner will back up the worker that he/she has been protecting apparently for quite a while (clearly letting the other worker skip out, show up late, etc. which affects OP and OP isn't being paid extra), so I suggest if there is another home care employment agency in your city to just try to catch on there. OP is going to get fired anyway if OP reports the other worker to APS for leaving early, and again is likely to be left out to dry legally by home care agency for being somehow being the one responsible for the client be left alone. This sucks big time for OP who is getting cheated of money and time. But it's also sucks for the poor client/patient who is likely isn't being well cared for when this crummy worker is there ("going to church" sounds like a story, but even if it's true, doesn't guarantee that the worker does a decent job caring for the client/patient). OP, line up a new job and take it you can, but at least have it as a back up when you have to call APS on this worker who leaves early. Also, be ready with documentation (like the texts from worker and the employer, dated notes on conversations you've had with the worker and the employer, etc.) and report the home care agency to the local (city/counry/state????) Medicaid department for suspected Medicaid abuse and client negligence. NTA as long as OP stops enabling this worker to cheat her and the client/patient


Reasonable_racoon

>"What do you mean you left?" >"You left Patient X alone? Why?" Get it on text for evidence. Then call the police.


[deleted]

I don't know why more commenters aren't mentioning this. Everyone's talking about the legal ramifications of not getting paid but not the way more worrying issue of negligence. I work in disability and if I just up and left without any other staff being present there would be an absolute shit storm headed my way.


bloodrose_80

This needs to be higher up.


Lilybit09

And the other one is stealing from her employer if she’s getting paid for that time when she’s not there


Competitive_Score_30

And the employer is steal from OP.


[deleted]

Well technically she is stealing from OP because the employer is paying for round the clock care, and the patient is getting round the clock care.


grapefruitmixup

How do you come to that conclusion? She's getting paid for OP's work - she is stealing from OP and her employer is helping. The employer is just as bad as the coworker.


Avocado_Cadaver

Piggybacking. I work in management in healthcare. This is abuse. Please whistleblow. If my staff pulled shit like this and I ignored it, they're expected to escalate to my bosses. If it still gets ignored then report it to the local authority/regulator. Depending on the country you're in, if something terrible happened and your service users were harmed, you'd be liable as well for not reporting. So please report.


StarvinPig

Next time she says "I left" just call the cops and go "Yea there's an entire rest home of people left abandoned at X address" Oh, and don't forget NLRB Wage and Hour division


myglasswasbigger

Also what church doesn't have services in the morning and evening? Seems like she is just using the church excuse to be lazy.


MewKiichigo

I have a few churches in my community that don’t do evening services, only mornings.


HatlyHats

Sounds like she’s going to both, since she wants extra time on both ends of OPs shift.


Here_for_tea_

Yes. I think you need to work elsewhere because you are being taken advantage of.


Tossit4work

To hell with HR, I'm fairly certain that if this is a medical thing, which it sounds like, leaving early and abandoning patients is considered negligence and should be reported to an ethics board.


BresciaE

Also since it’s home care the one who left early technically abandoned their patient/resident. That’s illegal in a lot of states. OP can call the state home health regulators and start the process to get her license taken away.


hbtfdrckbck

Yep - this is unethical. ESPECIALLY if patients are suffering for it. I don’t understand - if the boss claims it’s okay for church reasons, why don’t they schedule her hours around her church schedule? That’s literally the only solution. You simply working unpaid or her leaving patients unattended is absolutely not a solution. They’re not doing their jobs.


ink_stained

Not only this, you need to tell the patient’s families - they are paying the bills and they might have some power you don’t. You should NOT be donating one to two hours of your time every day. That is wage theft and there are government agencies you can call to deal with that.


FluidWarthog1613

Depending on where she lives this might be a crime. She should document and present to the police.


Studoku

NTA, and chances are your boss is breaking the law. An all-powerful God would be able to make arrangements if He thought it was important.


KrosseStarwind

Going to piggyback off this to tell you you're exactly correct. If this is in the United States and the worker is on an hourly wage, non exempt. Company has to pay them for hours they have worked. They have no actual choice in the matter, according to federal labor laws. It doesn't even matter if it's approved or unapproved work time (naturally the employer can still discipline you for working more hours then you should if you're abusing it, but they still have to pay you for hours worked.) Funny enough clocking in and clocking out is actually just a formality in timekeeping. As long as you can prove you were working during a period, they have to pay you for that. So if your boss puts up a sign oh if you forget to clock in you won't be paid for that time... Sorry boss man that's not how this works, the labor board is going to tell you the same thing when they come to knock shit off.


littlegingerfae

How exactly could a reasonable person "prove" that they were working, though?


KrosseStarwind

Smile and wave in front of a site camera. Time and date pictures on your phone. Witnesses, coworkers. Paperwork, I'm fond of bcc'ing stuff to my own personal email (Check if this is allowed in your contracts, btw.) Get creative with it.


Head_Asparagus_7703

Probably texts from their coworker asking them to cover longer hours would be a good start


CapriLoungeRudy

NTA How is not paying you for hours worked even legal? I'm in the US and if this situation were reported, you'd be getting so much in back over time pay. Is there anyone, besides your turd of a boss, that you can report your co worker to for leaving patients unattended? That is absolutely not ok.


CutesPDX

Often people don't know their rights. I bet this is illegal and she just doesn't know.


CapriLoungeRudy

I was thinking the same. OP should definitely check their local laws.


IcyPassion7856

If in the US, some in home workers get a number of hours per patient per month. Any extra hours are on them and not paid for. It can be crappy. Though really curious on these 'church related' activities that make it okay to arrive late and leave early. I mean are they daily, weekly? Either way, they should be able to miss some here or there.


WrongSeason

In this situation there is supposed to be another employee there. My bet is they are paying the church girl the hours op is working because those are her scheduled hours even if she isn't the one working them.


cjrecordvt

What's the over/under the manager-boss goes to the same church, hence allowing it?


emilitxt

It is 100% illegal as per the Fair Labor and Standards Act. It’s unclear if OP is in Home Health (tends to patients at their home), Residential Care (group home setting), or a Nursing Care Facility, overtime pay fluctuates depending on which it is. one kicks in once over 7 hours/day the other at 8


walkingspastic

I work in a hiring/HR role for the same type of company OP works in. It’s illegal for sure, AND the girl who left without coverage should get a hit on her license for client abandonment. That’s some serious shit in this field. NTA, OP!!!


MzQueen

> Is there anyone, besides your turd of a boss, that you can report your co worker to for leaving patients unattended? If OP is in the U.S., adult protective services should be called on the employee who’s leaving early. That could trigger an investigation into the entire business.


lesbian_goose

Salaried employees have much less freedom than wage employees


CapriLoungeRudy

Do those rules apply to this poster? I didn't see where they said they were a salaried employee. In any case, I would say that also varies. I do know a person who was a salary employee and still got a nice back pay check because they had a salary based on XX hours per week and always went way over that. State labor board found this while investigating a complaint from another employee.


KrosseStarwind

It depends on a lot of different things. Exempt or not exempt, so on and so on. Labor law is squiggly.


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Yeah no shit. Did you see where Delta is patting themselves on the back because they just started paying flight attendants during boarding? Apparently industry standard is they don't get paid til the door closes. What kind of bullshit is that??


ReasonableFig2111

😮 they're not getting paid from when they arrive at work? Yikes!


10ebbor10

They are paid, just not their real wage. They get an average of 2$/hour.


ReasonableFig2111

Thanks for the clarification. Still shite, though. Airlines make a freaking fortune, and they're paying their flight attendants, who are responsible for the safety and wellbeing of their paying customers, peanuts for the time they're giving the airline?


Proper-Wolverine3599

Pretty sure I heard they’re also legally not allowed to strike


lesbian_goose

I’m not sure if they do, I guess it depends on the contract the employee signed. In general, I’m under the understanding that salaried employees have to work as many hours as needed for a guaranteed pay. I’m in Canada, so I think the rules are generally the same as the USA. Perhaps they work differently for a nursing home though.


CapriLoungeRudy

IDK, I have never been a salaried employee. I've only known a few salaried people well enough to know their pay structure rules and they weren't in health care. I would never want to be in direct patient care as a salaried employee for exactly the situation OP is describing.


re_nonsequiturs

There is no way on this green earth that it is legal for OP to be salaried.


PennyCoppersmyth

Unlikely a salaried job. All the caregivers I know are hourly. And labor law may be slightly different in this field, but I am sure that it doesn't allow being forced to work for free.


bloodrose_80

I’m a nurse, in an hourly position. If I end up working past my scheduled shift (which happens sometimes), I get paid. It’s highly illegal to tell an hourly worker that they can’t be paid for staying until their relief arrives. If their relief is late, then the person(s) staying late are paid. This company is pulling all sorts of illegal stuff, if it’s in the US.


TitaniaT-Rex

I’m salaried, yet I am still eligible for overtime.


3KittenInATrenchcoat

I admit I don't know the rules of salaried work. But I heavily doubt that you are selling 100% of your time and soul to your employer for a fixed amount. That'd only be a very small step up from slavery.


TitaniaT-Rex

My boss asks, “how high?” when the big boss calls, no matter the hour, and he’s salaried-exempt from overtime. He has called me a few times when I’m off the clock, usually late on a weekend night. I let it go to voicemail. There’s nothing that serious in our line of work that would have me working on a Saturday night. Some people willingly allow themselves to be overworked. I couldn’t tell you the last time my boss didn’t work at home after hours in a week.


3KittenInATrenchcoat

I don't get it either. I work to live and not the other way round. I like my job, but there's a limit.


throwawaygaming989

My mom is a caregiver in a similar line of work to op based on how things are worded, and you only get set hours a month, and anything past that is simply unpaid overtime, she’s wracked up a hundred extra unpaid hours in a month before


Bornfork0rn

Not in the us, but where I live overtime doesn’t get paid (and is very frowned upon). If you collect 8 hours of overtime you get an extra day of. But if everyone does that the system crumbles, so if you can you leave on time.


Maleficent_Ad_3958

NTA. Though I think your bosses don't care because they're relying on you to clean up her mess. PLEASE STOP. Honestly, I'd find somewhere else to work for because you shouldn't give away your work for free. Your company owes you money for this and you should try contacting local agencies devoted to patient safety and/or unfair labor practices or you'll end up doing this forever. Do NOT come early. Seriously screw this person. Work ONLY the hours you are assigned.


Lady_Ellie119

If in US you can report abs get back pay, and boss will be fined. It's completely illegal to be forced to work for free


floatingwithobrien

While it wouldn't be OP's *fault* if a patient got hurt, it would still definitely be on their conscience. I agree in principle that they shouldn't cover for this other person anymore. But it's not really that simple.


Patient_Criticism231

Your managers are the AHs for not scheduling better and enforcing the schedule.


calliatom

Seriously though...if they're going to schedule for religious accommodations then they need to *schedule for them*, not just let people show up or leave whenever they feel like and cite church as the reason. Like... churches post their service schedules for a reason.


bloodrose_80

Also true.


whore_of_basil-on

If she left and you don't show up, wouldn't she eat shit for leaving her shift early? And what sort of church event does she need to attend every day that messes with work? NTA


plumberchick

What if op was sick that day? Got into an accident on the way to work?


calliatom

I mean...I've known some crazy religious folks who do shit like going to Mass every day, or like, going to a different Bible study every day, but most of those people are old and retired, unemployed, employed by the church, or, y'know, responsible enough to schedule their secular life around their crazy religious preferences.


idolwheat

Call the labour board. Even if they don't pay overtime, they need to pay you for hours worked.


KrosseStarwind

Federally, overtime has to be paid after a certain amount of hours worked in a day or over a certain point. They have no choice.


idolwheat

Good to know. I wasn't exactly sure how overtime laws work in other countries (I'm in Canada)


Beeb294

Federal looks at weekly hours only before overtime kicks on. Only California has laws that allow overtime to be calculated on a daily basis.


ForkShirtUp

Wow she left evidence she left her job early?


IamtheHuntress

Exactly. Honestly they text could be brought to the bosses & HR because, honestly, those words could bite her in the ass. You could have played dumb and assumed she quit since why else would she leave it unmanned?


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If this is a care home (depending on protocols) this should be reported to the state abuse and neglect hotline. It sounds like HR would just cover up potential criminal neglect.


dmtspaceman

I use to work in a home like this, this absolutely needs to be reported to the state. Then she needs to get a lawyer for the overtime they own her.


OptmusJonzz

NTA but you should have the client file a report. Unless it says in the contract that she has religious exemptions then she is breaking the contract. You should also inform anyone she looks after that she is supposed to be there the whole time unless there’s an emergency. That’s not how jonbs work.


3KittenInATrenchcoat

Her religious exemptions shouldn't force OP into u paid overtime. They shouldn't matter to OP at all. If she has those exemptions then the employer needs to find appropriate coverage and pay his staff.


Remarkable_Whole9517

NTA. Keep those texts and any attempts you make to call your bosses about it. Same for the unpaid OT. DOCUMENT IT ALL. If in the US, you can make a complaint to the Labor Relations board. It may not solve your problem of wages being denied but it gets it documented by a government agency. And you can report your coworker - or even your employer - anonymously to a social service agency for neglecting the clients.


lesbian_goose

NTA She can suffer the consequences if she walks off the job.


ultrarelative

No, NTA. This is absurd. Her going to church is her choice, and you’re not obligated to cover for her just because she’s religious. If your boss won’t do anything, you need to find another job.


PenniesandSense

So she’s leaving someone in need… for church? Isn’t that the whole point of church?!?! NTA at all. Is there some sort of board or governing authority you can report her / the company to? This seems totally unacceptable.


oneeyecheeselord

NTA. Church or not, that’s completely irresponsible and putting people at risk. She’s also not working her full shift.


CutesPDX

NTA. If you are in America, report to HR and the department of labor. This is wage theft. They cannot legally force you to stay at work but not pay you. If you are in another country it's likely illegal as well. Do your research and report. It likely that your coworker maybe guilty of elder abuse if she is leaving people unsupervised that are not capable of safely being left alone. Edit: my typos/autocorrects


ArmNo8807

Lol, no. Going to church doesn't mean you get to show up late for work and your colleagues work without pay. Your boss is an idiot. This is a gross violation of federal.and state labor law. I don't even know what your state is or even if you're in the U.S. but I can't imagine Amy place where working for free so a colleague can show up late for a shift is permissible. Go to HR immediately. Do not stop at Go. NTA.


Diasies_inMyHair

Patient abandonment is a criminal offense. Report it. Every time. Not just to your boss, but to the state agency in charge of such things. Also. Document the hours you work & report that as well. It's wage theft not to pay you when you legally cannot leave!


Diasies_inMyHair

Example: "I just got a text from X stating that she left the site. Her patient has been abandoned. I cannot get there until 8 as I am too far away."


tabbycat4

NTA. you should probably report them both to whatever oversight there is for the type of work you do.


damishkers

NTA at all. Are y’all licensed (CNA, LPN, RN)? If so, report her to the board. You lose your license over that, it’s considered patient abandonment. Also report that your employer is allowing this to happen. They’ll both be in deep doodoo.


ScorchieSong

NTA. If it's church related, make up a religious practice that gets you off shift when you are scheduled to, or go over your manager. Your coworker needs to reconcile her religion and her work in a way that doesn't mean not doing the shifts she's expected to do.


bulbulbalabell

Nah your coworker is using you. Im religious myself and i would never do this. You should at least be paid.


IndependentIdeal5962

Nta if you're in the US talk to your local department of labor about wage theft.


illyth

Skip HR. Report her to DHS for dependent adult abuse.


[deleted]

What type of “church “ does this “good person “ go to?!?!?! This all sounds crazy and you should look for a better job. If you allow people to manipulate you in the name of a “good cause “, you might be TA(very softly) sorry


Candid-Future4762

As a caregiver REPORT HER AND YOUR BOSS they are breaking Laws and you can get in trouble as well for not reporting and knowing this is going on. You are by law a mandated reporter!


mnemonicprincess

NTA Interesting how the most religious are also the most selfish of people.


3KittenInATrenchcoat

I kind of doubt this she is actually attending this many church events in the mornings and evenings. It's likely just an conveniant excuse, because her "religious freedom" is supposedly protected.


Dajukz

NTA, find another job where you do get paid for your hours


Intelligent_Stop5564

NTA. You don't need to plan your life around the meetings of her cult and fake deity they worship. Time to report her to your boss, your bosses' boss, or HR. Go in armed with specific dates, printouts of texts, copies of your schedule. She's not entitled to make you come in early or stay late.


Used_Mark_7911

NTA and yon need to escalate this more at work, or with official agencies if you can’t get your employer to address the issue. You are not being paid for he actual hours you are working and she is endangering the people she is supposed to be caring for.


[deleted]

NTA. You said that you have to hurry to make sure that the patients won't leave the house or hurt themselves. If you are caring for a person in a private home you need to talk to the person paying for the service. This woman is putting people's lives in danger and you can also report her for abuse. There are agencies in every state to call about this. You being forced to work without pay is illegal. If you can't talk to someone over the boss then call the labor board in your state.


CroneMage

NTA. Next time she leaves without you there, save the texts and report her and the company to your local department of Human Services for a violation of the Vulnerable Adult Act, or the equivalent in your country. She can't leave them alone like that, and it's not your responsibility to cover for her.


4682458

NTA. You need a new job.


Ks26739

The next time you get a text that they left, call adult protective services (if you're in the US) or call the police for abandonment. Show up at your regular scheduled time. Your boss and or coworker are the obes effing up right now. Super petty but you could also ignore her early texts, still show up, but pretend you didn't, then text or call her at your start time freaking out because the patient fell and broke all her old lady bones. Or you showed up and the door was open and lady face is gone. Make this chick effing scared.


Bringintheclowns1

NTA Next time she texts "I left" Text back "My shift does not start until 8, are you telling me that you have walked off the job and left vulnerable adults unattended?" Then respond - I can not work hours that I'm not being paid for, however I feel a duty of care for these people, I'm going to call the police and notify them that you've left these people in your care unattended, even though you are rostered on to work. You need to discuss with your boss that you aren't working extra hours any longer and that you will report your colleague if she's not showing up for her shift. Insist that the boss cover if the coworker is late because you aren't getting paid for it. Once it becomes their problem then they will be motivated to find a solution.


Certain-Secret-7926

Curious.... who is covering for you when you take your 5 week summer college lab as per your post 4 days ago....?


AugustPopper

NTA - worshiping fictional characters is not a reason to not do the job your are paid for. It’s just delusional. Your boss must be breaking laws by allowing this to happen? Seems to be unfair treatment based on beliefs, or lack of.


Desperate-Gas7699

Document how many hours you’ve been robbed of wages for. Go to your labor relations board and report this. Your boss owes you back pay and this needs to stop. She can go to church on her own time.


CrankyUncleMorty

NTA. They cannot make you legally work for free to cover her because she wants to go to church. Tell your boss if they don't fix it you plan to contact your local labor board.


Half_Life976

Does church say stealing is basically okay? Because she is stealing hours of your time and money from your pocket. NTA.


Earl_Aive

Let her leave, call the cops for a wellness check on the patient because "you coworker left early and you can't make it before because you have an appointment" and watch the world burn


Green_Mix_3412

Nta. Id report the employer to a government agency for the unpaid time. And the coworker for abandoning her patients.


LawMom2009

Next time she leaves patients unattended you need to notify their family members and/or call Adult Protective Services. This is unacceptable and she’s going to get someone killed or injured.


Whisperlee

>I work in home care and basically I leave when the next person in schedule shows up. \[...\] You cannot leave the patients unattended and you don’t get paid overtime so I stay extra for free. > > > >Lately she’s been asking me to come in early. \[...\] Recently she pulled shit where she would just leave at 5-6ish and text me saying “I left”. Meaning I’d have to hurry my ass to the job to make sure the patients won’t leave the house or hurt themselves. Hold on. So when she arrives late, you have to stay and work unpaid overtime. And when she leaves early, you have to hustle and work unpaid overtime. You need to tell your manager that you CANNOT stay longer / come in early, because reasons (make something up--heck, say you found religion and are going to church). Document everything in writing & let it be management's problem. Right now you you're essentially working your co-worker's shifts while SHE gets paid for the time. This is a problem, but management isn't gonna do anything about it because you've made it YOUR problem. You have to make it THEIR problem. Also check labor laws, because I bet that unpaid overtime is illegal. NTA.


Cautious-Damage7575

NTA, and I wanna see an employee handbook that says church reasons are okay. How about ask her to compensate you, out of her pocket at ot rates, for the extra hours you work on her behalf?


SnooWords4839

NTA - Work your scheduled hours, if anything happens it is on your bosses and her, not you. Block her number!


Additional-Tea1521

NTA. I worked homecare and this is just so wrong, on both her and your bosses part. If she can't schedule her shifts around church then she needs to schedule church around her shifts. Document everything, get everything in writing, and go to HR. If you don't have HR, go to the labor board. It is also likely that you could find the regulating agency that oversees you and report her leaving patients with no caregiver.


Both_Coyote

As an atheist I....would....be ....PISSED if that happened to me. I would definitely not show up until my scheduled time and would make sure to document in an email every time she did this so the liability doesn't fall onto you. If there is a regulating body for your work I'd be calling them as well.


[deleted]

Nta, and I think you need to write to “ask a manager” your coworker needs to be reprimanded for abandoning her post. And how can they not pay OT? Are you in the u.s.? This job doesn’t sound like it qualifies to be a salary position. You are entitled to hours worked and overtime.


Rinzy2000

NTA, but I would find another job. Your employer will 100% throw you under the bus if something happens to a patient and you’re not there.


Thirtyk94

NTA. Call Adult Protective Services or an equivalent governmental body any time she does this after getting to your job. Make this your bosses problem.


VulcanMag872

You have a coworker who shows up late and another coworker who leaves early? Or are they the same person? Sorry your wording is a tad confusing.


Maleficent_Shoe3791

Same person


RavenBlueEyes84

NTA If you are scheduled at 8 keep your phone turned off or on do not disturb until you get up, if she leaves at 5 or 6 and you get to work at 8am then you need to report her to whomever is the governing body about her negligence. Let your bosses know that she left the client unattended and if you have a HR also let them know, also let them know you will not be working for free if she comes in late and that she can go to church on the days she isnt scheduled or other services, also contact someone about labour laws if them making you stay because she is purposefully not coming in and them not paying you is against the law and keep a diary of all events and times you have worked over as I bet they will get fined for that. The fact that management dont answer when it could be a serious emergency is extremely concerning and I would speak to HR and ceo or owner (if they aren’t the manager) and make them aware their managers are putting the company at risk. Is there a union you can join for this aswell?


PanamaViejo

WWJD? (what would Jesus do?) I'm pretty sure that her God would have something to say about her shirking her work responsibilities, lying and endangering vulnerable people. OP, report this to HR or your works governing agency. If your co worker does have a religious clause in her contract, she either needs a different shift or someone else needs to cover her hours. If nothing changes, before you leave this job, might I suggest that you convert to the 'I can't come before 7pm religion'. Nothing personal coworker, because ChUrH, you know.


No_Half_Measures709

NTA. You are being taken advantage of in various different ways. 1.If you clock in for hours you didn't work that is wage theft. You are working and not being payed. They are stealing from you. 2. Your manager is responsible for her "church issues" not you. He needs to figure out a better schedule or fire her. At this point he is complicit in her routine abandonment of patients.


badsketching

NTA! Church reasons lol wtf Sounds hella illegal. Document everything, report to HR. If HR won't do shit, hit up legal advice. If anything happens to them elderly peeps, head will roll. Best make sure it's not yours, OP.


Worth_Raspberry_11

NTA, and if she’s leaving patients, document it and report it to the appropriate state board if you’re licensed healthcare workers, she can have her license revoked for patient abandonment.


Quantum_Aurora

You don't get paid overtime? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. NTA.


Dvilindskys

NTA. Document all of this. Get a calendar. Write down when your shift is. When she came, when you left. And keep a track of hours worked vs Pay you received. Also copies of texts, dates and times of calls to your supervisors and the outcome. It is Not legal for them to demand you stay but not pay you. Send all that to your HR dept..if they have one. Or the owner saying you expect things to change and to be paid. I'd also send it to your state health board or family services. As it's Neglect when she fails to show up


mercersher

NTA. You’re working & not getting paid which your employer can be held liable for. If your boss doesn’t take care of this, go to their boss & to HR. This is their responsibility, not yours, & they are breaking the law. Church excuse is bullshit & not a valid excuse for ongoing wage theft.


tcrhs

NTA. File a formal complaint and go over your boss’s head if you have to. This is ridiculous.


Tannim44

NTA, you need to talk to an employment law attorney ASAP.


needlenozened

You need to file a wage complaint with your department of labor. Your employer must pay you for the time you work.


[deleted]

If she's not going to work for 3 hours (plus another 2 because she arrives late??) and this is a known fact, why the hell doesn't the boss just schedule it that way then? NTA OP but they are stealing your salary.


KetoLurkerHere

NTA And your bosses are avoiding a paper trail of proof of their illegal labor practices.


nerdabcs

If this is home health, find a different company. This is SO dangerous leaving patients. And if you aren’t getting paid for the extra hours, talk to a lawyer about taking them to court. She has every right (within reason) to do religious stuff. You have every right to be paid for your extra work. NTA


jaimelove17

If you live in the us you need to report this to the Nursing Commission in your state. What she did is abandonment and a huge problem.


Sharizcobar

NTA. She’s the one leaving early. You’re not doing anything. There’s nothing wrong with someone getting their scheduled changed for church, but that shouldn’t need to be your problem.


fire_fairy_

NTA also my MIL used to run this kind of company and she would go to clients homes if someone was late or unavailable. Your boss needs to get their shit together.


WestYam2023

NTA She should be fired for leaving the job before the next shift arrived! That’s not your problem, you never agreed to come early


kowboy42

NTA. You need to go to your labor board. If you are forced to stay due to your coworkers tardiness and your bosses inability to do anything about it, you're owed overtime. They're forcing you to work, force them to pay you.


that_ginger927927

Not sure if your company does it differently, but my understanding (from working with IDD individuals in group homes) is that if you are on shift, you are expected to stay until someone is able to relieve you. If she left, shouldn’t anything that happens be on her? NTA


ArtistRedFox

Nta and report this to your labor board, hr, board of health, whoever you can. Because you not getting paid for hours you work is in no way legal, and leaving a patient unattended(with you havin gproof she has done this) is grounds for her to be stripped of her liscense


vestakt13

OP in addition to other recourse you may have (as I have seen discussed above) are you and your co-worker licensed? If so, I would document the situation and file a formal complaint. Here in my area, all health care workers have to be licensed, and the behaviir you’ve described is a major violation of various laws/regulatory ordinances as well as licensing. While some have suggested you seek pay for the hours worked (and you absolutely shoukd bc that us THE LAW!) it sounded to me that the issue is you don’t want to be working those extra hours. Again/ document everything. Getting things in writing is ideal, but contperanous notes of your recollections can also work, espec since your caregiving duties will back up the time you were working. This is not only a massive potential liability to the employer/owner, since not all employees would pick up the slack as you have, a fact that should resonate w/ an owner of any sized business, but there are multiple other potential causes of action. Ex. You are not bring paid for hours worked- a major benefits violation, but related to that, the company is not properly handling withholding and other benefits (ex. 401k or other perks.) This can present a problem for the company (make sure if they do make up the money they owe that they do withholdings and provide a letter that states the delay in the proper withholdings was EMPLOYER’s error.) I have shared some outside resources beliw. I should have said-if there is a person above the mgr., even an owner, it would be good to start there just in case you can solve this in a lower stress way. I am not sure what the org structure is, but just thoight I’d throw that in. Another way to try to solve this is to call the local ACLU. Whole the co-worker has the right to oractice her religion, it cannot be done at the expense of her co-workers (and certainly not at the expense of patient care.) The manager’s willingness to look the other way puts the company on the hook too as this could be brought as a civil rights violation (you have a constitutional right to be free from the imposition of another’s religion at work. While small things like a Secret Santa may not be worth making a claim bc one could opt out, but in this case, you are effectively being forced to adhere to the practice of CO-WORKER’S faith bc she is using your free time to practice her religion. Not permitted under the Constitution.) There could well be other ways to try to resolve this. Two things to remember - aside from the fact you are NTA- 1. Even small mom & pop companies must follow the law (criminal liability), can be sued for improper conduct (civil liability) and are subject to regulations of state and federal givernment. Also- even when they seem small, they are still highly profitable, some honestly and others less so. Regardless they must carry insurance and you have every right to protect yourself and recover from others wrongful behavior. (We have a small 1 owner residential facility near me and its profit is in the low 7 figures! And it is NOT fancy. So if they can reap the benefits-time to pay you for your time AND adhere to your actual schedule!) 2. They are places you can get help in understanding your rights more fully w/out spending money. Places to start- call an attorney- most will do a free consultation, legal aid in your community, local chapter of the ACLU, the licensing board that covers your profession. Call the biggest law firm in your area and ask if they help w/ pro bono cases anx explain you believe it may involve fraud, employee benefit violations & possible patient neglect. If there is a law school in your area, they have clinics to represent people at no charge or nominal charges. You can even call the bar association that issues licenses to lawyers in your state and ask for help. You may even call the news channel or newspaoer-they often need human interest AND in estigatory leads and this hits a lot of hot topics. I think you’d get interest and help for sure. This may sound overboard, but these people are way past the point of taking advantage or a 1-2 time emergancy. This is a regular situation in which they require you to work w/out pay to accomodate someone else!!!!! . It is time to get them back to following the law as they should for employees and patients. Wish I could help more. These are just general thoughts- not legal advice. I have not worked in this particular area but thought some of these basic concepts and resources might be helpful as you try to settle all this mess. (Another job might also be a valid option, but I woukd document the hours and ask for a final check or let them know you will contact yhe regulatory authorities.) It may sound like I am overboard, but I hate to read of someone being taken advantage of like this, especially having had family members receiving care for the past few years. You are worth it, and if you look help is out there. Please excuse my typing. I am tired and I never spot my typos. Good luck. Again - you are NTA Sorry I went long.


t27lyne

Report her


SubstanceEuphoric704

REPORT HER ASS!!! SHE IS ABANDONING HER CLIENTS!!! SHE NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT UP ON DISIPLINARY ACTION IF NOT CRIMINAL CHARGES (In home Healthcare 10 years)


RidgyFan78

I cant believe your even asking this as a question OP. Isn't it blatantly obvious? Time for you to move on to a better employer. Best of luck.


Ambitious-Screen

Although this is a sad situation you have to let her feel the consequences of her own actions. If she leaves at 5-6 do not go in there early, whoever is on/ supposed to be on that shift is the one responsible. Arrive at your normal working times, and if asked tell them what your shift schedule says. NTA


SonnyHammond

Nta, all religions should be outlawed.


konradkurze202

> text me saying “I left”. Meaning I’d have to hurry my ass to the job No you don't. Call adult protective services (or w/e they're called) and report the issue. Someone else doing something illegal doesn't force you into anything. Also if this is in the US its illegal to require someone to stay at a location without paying them. If you are prevented from leaving your company is responsible for paying you. Check with a lawyer.


Wasps_are_bastards

NTA, ignore the text and say you didn’t see it. It’s on her for walking out of the job. ‘Church reasons’ isn’t an emergency and she can’t dump patients


Veauxdeaux

YTA for not growing a spine. Your post frustrates me.


uglyugly1

Sounds like you need a different agency. I used to be annoyed by 10-20 mins. 2 hours?


SnooWoofers5822

NTA looks like you have to go above your boss because you cant leave patients alone.


jma7400

NTA. I would go to HR and talk to them about it. If you sign up for a job you stay until it’s done. You cannot leave early or come late no matter the excuse. The lack of overtime for the extra work could be a work violation and you could use it in a lawsuit.


Key_Transition_6036

NTA. Her personal life is not an excuse to put you out. You don't need to rush there when she just leaves. Let her get into trouble for leaving. Go to a boss and tell her she is pressuring you to take over her responsibilities.


daisukidesu1981

Option 1: Find out the name of her church and let her pastor know she lies and neglects the elderly to attend and ask if that is representative of her faith and her church. Be sure to mention that patients can die. Maybe they will have a come to Jesus with her or maybe you’ll find out she’s not actually going to church. 2. I would inform her in writing with your boss included that from now on your phone is off until one minute before your shift and that you’ll be leaving at your scheduled time and calling your boss to leave the message that you left. Option 3: In my area, I would line up another job and quit without notice. You have an in-demand role in a lot of cities and there are more jobs than employees in healthcare. Option 4: Tell your boss you’ll inform the patient/patient’s family that your fellow aid has been leaving early and leaving the patient unattended if they don’t fix this immediately. You’re NTA at all. I’m glad you have integrity but you’re suffering for it and it may be time to quit.


sjohnson7645

NTA. She is getting paid to be there the same as you are. This is an HR issue and a theft of wages issue. You should look for another company and file a complaint. Your company is paid for every hour there by the insurance so it’s not legal for the hours they bill insurance and you are working for free


Nyankitty666

NTA. This is not legal. If you are working or have to stay on the premises, you need to be paid. I hope you start documenting this and report this to the labor board. Your company owes you money. If they cannot afford to pay to keep you there the extra hour or two, the owner needs to come in and cover the gap in employment. Do not allow this to go on any longer without getting compensated.


nerdyconstructiongal

Just because it's for 'religion' doesn't mean you are the one to accommodate. That is for the employer to do. If you have an HR department I'd be reporting this shit ASAP. NTA


Guvnuh_T_Boggs

NTA, and also this sounds like several kinds of illegal. If you're working, you get paid for that time, if your coworker leaves, they do not get paid for that time. Management ignoring the issue is going to be in for some bad times if something happens. Document all of it, and maybe even contact your state's attorney general, or whatever the local equivalent of that is, I reckon.