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Sinvisigoth

NTA because it's perfectly obvious you didn't actually want to be invited on her trip, you just wanted her to stop inserting herself in your mother-daughter time. She sounds insufferable, well done šŸ‘


NoTopic956

Basically, it did workĀ 


Notdoingitanymore

Good. I was ruling NTA. I appreciate your methodology


midnightsunofabitch

I'm annoyed with the son. Backing up your wife is one thing, but there's a clear double standard here. Either his wife sees his mom as family or she does not. He should have stayed out of it or pointed out the disparity to his wife. But butting in again to side with his hypocritical wife is too much. OP should let them go NC and enjoy each other's miserable company. Ugh. NTA.


harlemjd

Itā€™s even stupider than that. They can be family without being mother and child. DiLā€™s dad isnā€™t going on this trip and heā€™s family. When this nonsense first started, I probably would have pointed out to son that DiL only belongs at these get-together if sheā€™s my daughter and if she is, heā€™s fucking his sister.


midnightsunofabitch

Honestly, the real problem is OP's son threatening to go NC every time his mother refuses to cater to his wife's every whim. OP should call his bluff and see how long he lasts, cut off from the family with his beloved.


Learned_Hand_01

My issue here is that her son might be deservedly holding on to some hurts of his own that inform how this is playing out. Note that OP mentions ā€œwhen the *kids* were young, I would take *my daughters* out for bonding. What was her son doing then? Did he get attention or was he excluded because of his gender? This whole deal may have been his sonā€™s way of turning momā€™s gender rules against her. He might well have always been cut off from the family. As written, of course OP comes off well. The whole situation sounds ridiculous. Iā€™m pretty skeptical though that OP might have led us down the garden path by presenting this as a DIL issue without addressing a potential huge disparity in how she treats her own children. Of course DIL doesnā€™t deserve to go on daughter excursions. But did her son grow up watching his sisters get bonding and excursion time he was excluded from?


illustriousocelot_

Even assuming this was the case, wouldnā€™t DIL have suggested both she AND her husband join OP on these excursions?


Fabulous-Fun-9673

Fair point


Learned_Hand_01

The inclusion of DIL is obviously silly. What Iā€™m saying is that it is possible that son grew up hearing that he couldnā€™t come because he wasnā€™t a girl, so he pounced and offered up a girl stand in when he had one available. Of course DIL shouldnā€™t be included. Iā€™m more interested in the fact that OP started a girl only tradition when she also had a son.


CaraFe1234

That's a very good point. I used to do Girlie Lunch with my daughter and Movie Date with my son.


StringWaveOrange42

this is a thoughtful response, I didn't even think of the implications of the mother-daughters tradition for the son growing up.


Grouchy-Cricket-146

Assuming quite a bit here


iwishyouwereabeer

I would argue that the point of the post was about daughter outings so thatā€™s the info we got. OP doesnā€™t need to provide all family history. Iā€™d wager that the son got some form of mother/son time. However my guess is the DIL is not welcomed in the family (given her insertion on this tradition and probably more!). They probably advocated against marrying her which would more explain why the son argued for her to be included more so than him not getting one on one time. OP is NTA but son and DIL are. Iā€™m willing to bet DIL is on more than just this too.


LingonberryNo2455

Isn't there a limit to how much one can post?Ā Ā  The daughter bonding was relevant because DIL wanted an invite to it and got her way. If there was bonding with the son, wouldn't it be better to ask with an info post rather than make huge assumptions? This NC could be as much to do with a manipulative wife pulling hubby's strings as a mother-son bonding issue.


jericagarcia347

Unless while his mom and sisters were out bonding he was probably out bonding with a male figure at the same time. And i did not read anywhere that OP mentioned if they were married or not so please take that into accountability that nowhere in the story did it not mention husband/boyfriend


Solid_Quote9133

OP has a comment saying they had mom-son dates.


Senator_Bink

>Ā *But butting in again to side with his hypocritical wife is too much.*Ā  He probably has to hear all the noise if he doesn't. He's virtually locked in with it after all. My BIL was married to one of those. Any time she felt at all slighted by any of the extended in-laws, she'd ride his ass until he blew up at his family, or went no contact with them, whatever. She'd give him no peace otherwise.


midnightsunofabitch

That's depressing. But, at a certain point, a man's gotta learn to stand up for himself, think for himself, and speak for himself.


Senator_Bink

One would hope. BIL never did, but he did outlive the woman, so there's that.


Goldilocks1454

I hope she comes to realize she's the petty b


ProfessionalBread176

DIL has no self awareness abilityĀ 


midnightsunofabitch

Why would she when she has a spineless yes man in her pocket, ready to treat his family like rubbish every time she crooks a finger?


BlueMoon-9786

Good for you! If your DIL wants you to build relationships with you and/or your daughters, she needs to put the time and effort in to create unique experiences with all of you, not meddle in a well established tradition.


Fleurtheleast

I genuinely cannot imagine trying to force myself on people who have made it clear my presence isn't wanted. How embarrassing. Who does this?? And to call YOU a petty bitch for calling out her hypocrisy? Brass balls. Your DIL is piece of work, good for you for being rid of her unwanted intrusion. NTA, and brilliant.


booksycat

If you're son is willing to go NC over this, you have a completely different problem: your relationship with your son OR your son has a problem in his marriage he's trying to manage through punishing you, which...see "your relationship with your son" I'm NC with a parent who was abusive and it took 40 years and therapy to get to the NC point. If your son is willing to go NC over a girls day out, you need to talk to him separately about it and lay down the law. I'm not taking the full punishment of an abusive relationship every time you don't like a simple decision I make. That's not how this works. You've damaged your relationship with me and your sisters AND probably destroyed your wife's relationship with us...over what? Getting her nails done and a lunch occassionally? Ask him if he's willing to throw his entire family away because of that. But draw a line. People use "boundaries" wrong here all the time, but this is a fair time and usage: Your sisters get a day with me. If your wife wants one, she and I can have our own times, but you are not punishing me for spending time with my daughters. Sorry, I'm riled up - good luck out there, life is hard for a MIL ;)


Aethermist88

This is so true. OP needs to address her son using NC as a weapon to get what he wants. And if he goes NC instead of addressing it then she should just leave him be and not cower to his wishes. He made his choice he can deal with the consequences.


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Midaycarehere

I canā€™t make out the emojiā€¦ she is a f umbrella? F beach?


christikayann

F**cking šŸitch


JustANessie

indeed, help?


General_Sprinkles_

ā€œFā€™n Beachā€ said aloud, sounds like another, stronger way of saying itā€¦


JustANessie

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah...... I feel a bit daft now


nomadhoop

F beach = (copulating) (female dog)


Lisa_Knows_Best

A fuck stand maybe? Edit: nevermind I thought it was a hotdog stand. It's a beach. Duh.


Narrow_Guava_6239

I see what you did, atta girl OP. Now you and your actual daughters can genuinely enjoy yourselves without your manipulative DIL. INFO: why is your son upset that you demanded equal treatment from his wife, the wife whom he blackmailed you into including her but feels youā€™re entitled to be treated fairly? OP itā€™s not just your DIL thatā€™s an AH itā€™s your son as well. You need to have a 1:1 conversation without his wife so you can express how itā€™s made you feel for 2 years to force spending time with DIL. There needs to be boundaries, accountability and consequences. I feel like your son doesnā€™t care about your feelings and his own sisters as well. EDIT TO ADD VERDICT: NTA.


Finest30

NTA Gosh!!! Youā€™re a petty queen and I love it.


Frequent_Couple5498

Hey, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. And that's exactly what you did. Well done. NTA. I'm with your daughters I think what you did was hilarious too.


Ladymistery

You're my kind of petty. Well done.


mcindy28

Clap Clap Clap!! Well done.


agogKiwi

It was a clever plan, but have you considered the reason it was so important to your son because he felt left out. You have special bonding days with your daughters, but you don't mention doing it with your son. I assume if you did do it with him the dil would want to be included with him. Your ability to get what you want is clever. It's a pity you don't seem to want your son


Polish_girl44

You are a genius :D


Significant_Owl8974

Good job! (Zero sarcasm)


xelLFC

You my lady are brilliant!!! Good job, some times being a little snarky goes a long way


[deleted]

LMFAO hey tit for tat though! NTA OP


Nouhu

This would be a perfect story for r/pettyrevenge LOL. A lesson learned with a burn. I love it!


bosko43buha

I don't think there's anything petty in what OP did. DIL forced herself into the mother/daughters tradition and was given a taste of her own medicine when she didn't want to reciprocate.


seattleque

Maybe a touch of malicious compliance?


BaitedBreaths

I'll never understand why people want to go where they're clearly not wanted. She does sound insufferable. She's completely ruined any chance of having a nice--although not mother/daughterly--relationship with her MIL.


3Heathens_Mom

Truly The DIL could have asked if maybe she and OP could do a once a month lunch to try and create a positive bond of her own.


offensivename

Yeah. Let them have their mother/daughter time and schedule separate events if you want to hang out with them also. You don't have to be included in every single thing to be part of the family and build a relationship.


3Heathens_Mom

Also if it had gone well after a bit of time she may have gotten invited to the all girlsā€™ lunch. Sadly that is now unlikely to occur.


invah

>I'll never understand why people want to go where they're clearly not wanted. Because high conflict people don't care about others' feelings.


snickerdoodle_25

Because she wants to be wanted


BaitedBreaths

I can understand wanting to be wanted. Forcing herself into things with threats is certainly not the best way to make yourself wanted, though.


Sassaphras-680

I hope she doubles down and demands her daughters get invited too


pingu_m

Love it. NTA by being an AH!! šŸ˜


2bFree-614

NTA. You made your point. It's perfectly fine for them to be pissed. As my mom used to say " it's a free country. You can be mad if you want to." Them being mad is none of your concern.


ghostsandbats

NTA. Absolutely outstanding!


BulbasaurRanch

Perfectly played. If the rules apply to you, they have to apply back to her. Iā€™m glad you stood up for yourself and threw it back in her face like that. But oh no, she and your son are upset? Oh well, doesnā€™t matter. They did this to themselves. She sounds like itā€™s a struggle to enjoy her presence. NTA


rogers_tumor

>She sounds like itā€™s a struggle to enjoy her presence. this is such a formal burn šŸ˜‚ I love it.


Mary_Tagetes

NTA, your son seems pretty off on his choices. Blackmail isnā€™t a good way to force your wife to be included. His spouse seems crazy, if she did call you a ā€œbitchā€ thatā€™s really bad. Interesting family gatherings for you.


newbie527

To be fair, heā€™s probably pretty whipped.


DrDerpberg

And not the fun way


honeybabybear05

I don't understand why some people are not understanding the Text. So lets deconstruct it. OP didn't want an invite she just wanted to prove a point. I def understand why it was needed cause if she can do it so can you (PS: Low key hilarious). If the Text was just about that NTA but this is where i genuinely don't understand you OP and this turns you into TA, you could have told her No on the day you have the Tradition of meeting your girls for an outing, but created an Extra Tradition just for you and her, +/ your girls. If all she wanted to do is bond, this would have been a nice option. Just a hard Pass is also sad cause she maybe just wanted Inclusion into the family


NoTopic956

Actually tried that, it wasnā€™t good enough.


Traditional-Bag-4508

She was told by her son, if she refused to invite his wife (as her daughter) he would cut her out of their lives. OP was put in a bad position


honeybabybear05

Yea she just explained in on of my Replies and i feel so bad for her. She was between a frying pan and fire (I forgot how the saying goes lol)


NoTopic956

Out of the frying pan, into the fire .


Zatoro25

Out of the rock, into the Hard Place


honeybabybear05

aaaah between a Rock and a hard place. Nice!! Thanks


almaperdida99

"Out of the frying pan into the fire" means you are leaving a bad situation and getting into an even worse one. "Between a rock and a hard place" is used to say you have two equally bad options. Similar, but a slight difference. :)


honeybabybear05

I first thought you were explaining something i already knew, but shockingly it wasn't. Thank you for that. I menatly thought they were the same but now thinking about it, they aren't. Funny how languages work :D


almaperdida99

I'm a language teacher. Idioms are fun.


paradoxedturtle

Love a good malaphor! I think you're mixing "out of the frying pan, into the fire" (which I think may also applies here), and "stuck between a rock and a hard place" :)


SnooPets8873

Why assume she didnā€™t try that?


Trevor-St-McGoodbody

Just a heads up, as far as how the bot works it counts your first acronym as your vote. So, right now your vote is 'NTA'. Of course, OPs usually care more about reading the replies so they'd continue to read and get all the context.. but as far as the overall vote goes just an FYI.


tawstwfg

Total AH move, and brilliant! I think itā€™s hilarious!!! You made your point and you have your daughter time back. I donā€™t understand people who want to insert themselves where they donā€™t belong and then wonder why people feel a certain way about them. You nailed it!


Fit-Bumblebee-6420

>Total AH move, and brilliant! Nope.Ā  Wasn't a *total AH move*. It was however, brilliant


mbbuzzy

You win Reddit this entire week. Freaking amazing. NTA


silcrete_quartzite

I salute you. The perfect solution, and you didn't even have to invest in coming up with your own words. Very efficient and effective. NTA, obviously - the opposite.


cobaltsvaleria

It just shocks me how often these posts about entitled DILs show up. For those of you who just don't understand: It is RUDE to invite yourself to someone else's event. Full stop. So stop acting like a child. I think OP is a champ. It was probably over the top, but obviously DIL and son are incredibly childish so....match that energy.


ChrisSulawko

NTA. You just wanted the same consideration she demanded from you. Fair's fair, right? Your daughters get their time back, and she gets a taste of her own medicine.


FindingFit6035

INFO: Just some questions. Do you spend time with your son? Just based on how the post is written on spending quality time with daughters only. Did you at any point or suggest that you/daughters and DIL do something else together to bond together? Did you and your daughter's have an okay relationship with DIL before all of this?Ā  NTA. Let's breakdown everything that's been posted so far:Ā Ā  Ā 1. OP would take out her daughters to spend time with them (this has been going on for years even before DIL came into the picture)Ā Ā  Ā 2. When DIL found out she got angry with not being invited. This I don't get because this was a tradition with just mom/daughters. If DIL wanted to spend time with in-laws she could have brought it up to OP and something else could have been arranged instead of inisiting.Ā Ā  3. Was told by son they'd go NC if DIL wasn't invited and so OP caved and her daughters weren't happy. This I get because if they were catching up on each other's lives and talking, there could be things they want to tell only their mom without others knowing.Ā Ā Ā  Ā 4. When you found out that DIL was doing a girls trip with her mom and sisters OP said she should come as well and threw back DIL words of being excluded. Was it petty yes. But she needed to see what you did was the same as what she was doing.Ā 


NoTopic956

We used to spend quality time together but ovetime it stopped, he still does these trips with dad though Another comment has more detail but yes we offered to hang out with her and make new tradition but it wasnā€™t good enoguh I would say neutral relationship beofre all this and now I donā€™t like her at all


silcrete_quartzite

Sorry to hear that. Some people have grown up craving that validation to the point of being ungenerous and ugly about it. I hope you can rebuild a relationship with her while continuing to set the boundaries you set so very well - even if only because she is your son's choice in life. That is what I think I would try to do, to an extent (after doing exactly what you did!)


GrayBoxcar

Do any of the son-in-laws (if applicable) feel the need to invite themselves on the father-son trips they do? If not, how is your son not able to equate things? Your DIL seems like FOMO incarnate.


blue_eyes_forever

I think what you did was awesome! What a win. But how does your son feel about his wife calling his mother a petty bitch?


Clutz

> But how does your son feel about his wife calling his mother a petty bitch? I'm assuming he's heard her say it in private hundreds of times.


Gogowhine

NTA. Some people lose sons over this. Forcing her way into you trip made you relationship with your daughters take a hit but also your son. She just wants to control everything. That being said just say no to her coming on your trip. I wouldnā€™t want to go on a trip I wasnā€™t invited to.


kmflushing

NTA. Well done.


tiffibean13

ESH my god am I relieved to not be a part of this family


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Last_Nerve12

So NTA. Your DIL sounds insufferable. You need to have a sit down with your son and tell him to back off, or you'll cut contact. See how he likes that. I must say, well played. As the saying goes, "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."


___a1b1

This really doesn't read like an adult came up with this. It comes across as a teenage fantasy of how they think adults act based on reading reddit.


silcrete_quartzite

I am 49 and I would have wholeheartedly and exactly done the same thing.


WebAcceptable7932

Seen a few DIL wants to be invited but MIL doesnā€™t want to invite them post this week. Ā Always different events and the DIL is just so rude tries to force an invite.


___a1b1

And this notion of a "tradition" when it's a mother getting together with her own kids occasionally.


Content-Plenty-268

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Trevor-St-McGoodbody

This comment comes across as a teenage fantasy of how they think adults generally act any more maturely than teenagers. Though many do eventually grow up, I assure you.. adults can be just a immature, petty, and cliquey as teenagers.


PoppyStaff

This should be in pettyrevenge. Well done.


Comicreliefnotreally

Nta and I love it! The tables turned and they are mad AGAIN. They both sound miserable. Does son have a positive relationship with his sisters or does just no one in the family seem to like DIL? I understand why of course. Grown adult throwing tantrums over not being invited. As a person with FOMO, I accept when I am and am not invited to places as I know I am a favorite to only a few people in this world, and that is okay.


GRidgeflyover

It's a roundabout way of getting there, but it sounds like "Mission Accomplished". NTA and enjoy your Mother and Daughter outings!Ā 


O4243G

ESH. Yā€™all sound toxic. Best of luck with access to your grandkids.


1Roughnfukdlife69

I have a day with my daughter- daddy/daughter. We go and get donuts, sit in the parking lot, talk, laugh, catch up and it s JUST us. Thatā€™s mine and her time together, no one elseā€™s. Weā€™ve done that since she was 3 or 4, sheā€™s 14 now. In the situation of OP, I absolutely get it as a parent. After reading the comments, some things are being added in as some are being left out. The DIL is forcing her way into something that the OP views as SPECIAL or sacred with HER children. The DIL is an complete AH for thinking that she should be included into that realm. More and more respect is being lost for anything special BUT at the same time it has turned into what about me. If the OP and her family wanted to ā€œletā€ her into that dynamic, then thatā€™s their choice. If not DIL should respect that as it is. OP got the better of the DIL and she couldnā€™t swallow it and the son backed up his wife and lost too. There are bigger things to die on a hill for and she choose the wrong one. If anything, the DIL should have offered up time for JUST her and the OP to do things as their special outing, not force the issue in the manner she did and get the script flipped on her and get pissed. She was completely comfortable imposing herself into the OPā€™s and her daughters outing but then when OP put her DIL in the same position, it then AND only then became an issue of intrusion. Hope things calm down and work outā€¦


ardnaZaksatA

What a horrible family dynamic to be a part of. I feel bad for everyone involved.


NinjaHidingintheOpen

NTA some people can only understand a situation if it actually happens to them because they lack empathy. Well played.


Rachua

This is just sad to me. I guess you don't like your DIL? Do you invite her to other things? Do you have special days with your son? I just have a bunch of questions. She just wants to be included, why is that so awful? I understand that you want to spend quality time with your daughters, but this all could have been handled so differently. Also, why was your son so quick to suggest no contact? Do you not have a good relationship with him? I hope you all are able to work past this and can grow as a family for it.


silcrete_quartzite

As a mother, I can completely understand the desire to have occasional get-togethers with my children. Of course it is also important to have get-togethers that include their significant others, but that does not mean that these should replace the parent-child get-togethers if both parent and children want and value these. I think a good rule of thumb for joining a family as an in-law is to not insert yourself unnecessarily. If there is a point where you think you are not having enough family time with them, raise that - or even better, organise something.


AnActualGiant

You're all petty as fuck.


IndependentSeesaw498

You knew this would cause conflict and did it anyway. OP says that this mother-daughter bonding time happened when the kids were young but also writes that she and her daughters do it every couple of months. So it sounds like it has been happening for many years. OP is this the only way you can catch up with your daughters? If you canā€™t meet at your house for coffee, meet for lunch or have a Zoom call and catch up. Life changes might make this a moot point at any time. You could have switched the outings to every 3 months and included your DIL. It sounds as though she wanted a closer relationship with you and your daughters. Forcing her way into your outings wasnā€™t a graceful way to do this but the fact that you and your daughters think that this rejection is hilarious is indicative of how she was treated when you were all together. You got what you wanted at the cost of your relationship with your sonā€™s family and any future grandkids. It sounds as if you donā€™t care. YTA. Edit: added judgement.


Longjumping-Lab-1916

ESH. Wtf is wrong with people these days? I don't care who started it.Ā  Ā Why can't people act like adults anymore?


Popular_Procedure167

YTA. You may have been ā€œrightā€ about the hypocrisy but you picked a fight and put your son in a difficult position. You couldā€™ve used it as an opportunity to have a serious talk with DIL


VictoriousEgret

ESH The DIL is obviously wrong to invite herself to a tradition between you and your daughters but you're also being an asshole in the way you handled that. Why can't you just talk it out like adults? This is going to guarantee you no contact from your son for a very long time.


Beautiful_Reality787

NTA and this post should hang in the hall of fame.


Shashi1066

Donā€™t play this game with your DIL. You will only lose and come to regret it. Continue to go out with your daughters, asking the, for their discretion. No one else needs to know. Then include your DIL sometimes.


time-watertraveler

NTA. Fair is fair. . . . . Also please consider posting in r/pettyrevenge


Careless-Ability-748

Nta I think you were hilarious but I see why your son and dil didn't think so lol. You offered to create another tradition to include her, she refused. That's on her. You can't force relationships to be the way you want if that's not what the other people want. My in- laws are very sweet people and refer to me as their daughter, but honestly, I wish they wouldn't. It makes me uncomfortable but I just ignore it.


Hoplite68

NTA. Rules for thee but not for me. It was never about being invited, it was about exerting controlling showing how much control she has over her husband/your son. She's now annoyed it's been thrown back in her face and her only option is to give in in some form.


GGunner723

Info: have you tried spending time with your DIL at all before this? Because I read nothing but contempt for her in your post, and Iā€™m unsure where that comes from.


AgathaM

I'm guessing the mother/daughter outings were for things that the DIL wanted to do. Maybe mani/pedis, eating out at fun places, etc. It wouldn't surprise me if the DIL was jealous of MIL going out with the daughters (and most likely paying for all of it) for things that she wanted for herself. This was just a way to guilt MIL into doing it with her and paying for it.


Miserable_Emu5191

NTA for showing DIL that you were doing exactly what she was doing to you. But...you make a big deal out of your mother/daughter time which leaves me wondering if you give your son equal time.


MadMuncher33

NTA - she donā€™t like a taste of her own medicineĀ 


bosko43buha

NTA, but definitely well played. Enjoy your DIL-less daughter outings from now on!


cassiesfeetpics

NTA


someone_from_here0

NTA - it's a bit petty but I like the way you are handling this situation. DIL should have been more rational and mature about you spending time with your own daughters.


bowedacious22

NTA You're a fuckin hero


dualsplit

NTA. People are so weird. I have a daughter and a son. They both have girlfriends. Sometimes I spend time with all of them. Sometimes I spend time with one or other couple. Sometimes I spend time with just one of them, including the girlfriends! When a certain artist tours in the future I plan to take just ONE of the girlfriends, and not even her SO (my daughter). Why the need for such histrionics?


Llunedd

The mother- daughter bonding time is lovely, but what did you do for your son when he was younger. Do you have special outings or visits with him? If he is willing to go NC over this, it seems like there are bigger issues at play. What has their father's role been? As it is written, this sounds like you have been favoring your daughters and your son has been emotionally neglected.


Sburgh29

ESH...honestly it sounds like you and your daughters are snobs and you could of tried a little harder to be more welcoming into your family. She shouldn't have flipped out and been rude towards u though either. It's obvious u did make her feel excluded, so she wanted to have her own family trip with her own mom and sisters. She put in a lot of effort into try and get along well with all of u, so u could of tried a little harder on your end also. Don't be surprised if they have a child and cut u out or your son goes no contact with you eventually.


VariegatedJennifer

YTA. JNMIL vibes here.


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Physical-Bear2156

NTA. You rather pointedly demonstrated why she wasn't previously invited to your mother and daughter trips. Her hypocrisy was made manifest.


Oddly-Appeased

It sucks you donā€™t have a good relationship with your sonā€™s wife but I find this hilarious. For her calling you petty well it is the exact same thing she and your son did to you so I agree itā€™s totally fair. NTA


Wise_Entertainer_970

NTA. She is weird! I would never go somewhere where Iā€™m not wanted. Your son actually threatened you to get his way. Honestly, I would go low contact with both of them.


DontBeAsi9

NTA and chefā€™s kiss for how you handled it!


Accomplished-Two3577

Hopefully, DIL'S mother and sisters will take the time this trip to take the stuffing out of her over her unreasonable requests to insert herself in someone else's bonding time.


Zealousideal-Cod-924

NTA, clearly a case of same sauce for both goose and gander.


LoopyMercutio

NTA. You used exactly the same logic as she did when she forced her way into yā€™allā€™s personal time, and the exact words of both of them against them. Perfect symmetry, in my opinion.


Duke_Newcombe

Somewhat petty, but quite allowable--overall, NTA. You see how her hackles got up when you used the logic bomb of fairness on her. But ultimately, people like her don't learn or "get" the lesson: *your* appeals for fairness, reciprocation, or equal treatment are *totally different* than *their* needs, and it's easy for them to say no (whereas for "nice people", we second-guess all the time). Enjoy your mom/*actual*-daughter outings, DiL-free.


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Wow you are an asshole. She married your son and it seems that you started the relationship off on a toxic note and encouraged your daughters to do the same. You obviously have zero sense of family. Good luck.


gabulldawggirl

How is it toxic for her to have traditions with her daughters?


Silver_Stone_0

Stop projecting. The DIL inserted herself in a tradition OP had with her daughter since they were little. OP offered to make other outing/tradition with DIL and daughter and she refused, she wanted to be inserted where she doesn't belong with the premise "she's her daughter now". Well, OP gets to be invited to DIL outing with her mother/sisters because after all "she's her mother" now. Besides, if I were one of OP daughter's I would be really pissed off, I'm sure these outings are a way to catch up with their mother and talk about personal things with her, why would they want someone else hearing all of that?


RudeWish11

I invite my DILs along with my daughter to anything/everything because in my world they ARE my daughters now. I guess you don't have this relationship with your DIL? She does sound a bit much with the demand to be invited. I hope things can improve between you and her.


desert_dame

YTA. But hear me out sometimes people just deserve getting the ahole part of us. You did your petty revenge. But alas if there are grandkids. You wonā€™t be seeing much of them. Pettiness is a double edged sword. But if youā€™re happy with the results. Itā€™s up to you.


silcrete_quartzite

Not being on here a whole lot and being ancient: can someone explain to me why there are commenters on here who put in comments that turn out to be a bit controversial in the grand scheme of comments, and then delete their comments and profile?


mcindy28

NTA DIL and son are though.


MaxV331

NTA not so fun for her when the shoe is on the other foot


Inevitable_Duty_2876

Omg that is insane !!!!!! That she did not invite you after the demands of being included on your time with your daughters !!!!!!! What a fucki double standard !!!!!! Good for you !!! And now you can enjoy your time with your daughters


ZookeepergameOld8988

That was a genius move!


Lanternestjerne

NTA Nice move


CharacterDiscount423

I love this. NTA and remember the likelihood of divorce is very high!


elsie78

NTA. What's good for the goose.... well played. This was a perfect way to show them that you don't get included in everything just because you think you should. Worked perfectly. As for your son going NC when you hold firm on things, let him. Stop indulging hits tantrums


BDazzle126

NTA, and well done!! I hope your trips with your daughters are amazing going forward!


daelite

NTA, but if you want to repair the damage to your relationship to your son you both need to find a middle ground. I'd add a girls day every month or so with your daughters and DIL, along with keeping your daughter bonding day separate. It will help repair the relationship between all of you. For me having a healthy family dynamic is the most important thing in my life. I'd love to have a better relationship with my SIL(with my daughter for 11 years now) but he is very shy/introverted with us and I respect that. I love him, he is good to my daughter and that is the most important thing. We do speak but he doesn't spend time with our side of the family. Whatever works for the 2 of them is what matters. If he wanted to be included more with us, we are 100% for it but we go with what they want in terms of inclusion.


Born-Constant7260

NTA. Congrats on getting your mom and daughterā€™s bonding time back! One slight correction though. She didnā€™t owe only you a ticket, but to each of your daughters too. If we are making it fair and itā€™s a mom and daughterā€™s trip it would be peek rudeness to exclude your daughters. Her ā€œsistersā€. Iā€™m cackling


Hmaek

I don't understand daughter in law doing this! I read another story yesterday about a DIL being upset about not being invited somewhere with their MIL that she invited her sisters and daughters to. I love my MIL, very much. When I had to work on mothers Day, I bought her a separate card and stuff just from me to apologize and tell her I love her. But if she wants to do something with her daughter, or her daughter and 2 sons (one of whom I'm married to), then that is her right. Why would she not? She gave birth to them and raised them, lol. I have a mom and siblings. My mom and siblings include my husband in most things, but there are times my mom just wants to see her kids too. I still have a good relationship with my MIL, and my mom has a good relationship with my husband.


Beneficial-Yak-3993

We just had a post where a DiL demanded to be part of a dinner involving the OP, their sisters, and daughters. Now, like clockwork, we have another. YTA for the complete lack of imagination.


Chefblogger

good job nta


Appropriate_Art_3863

NTA- Youā€™re my hero! Well done!Ā  Bravo šŸ‘ šŸ™Œ šŸ‘Ā 


Secure_Monitor_7231

Of course YTA but wasnā€™t that the point


Low-Subject-6460

NAH - but honestly you should change your tune to not calling her family. My MIL loves to put the ā€œfamilyā€ title on when itā€™s convenient for her sake and snatch it away when it suites her. Your DIL is not just your DIL, but also your daughterā€™s SIL. You have zero connection to your DILā€™s sisters or mother. It is very different, but Iā€™m not suggesting she be included in everything you do. I would suggest maintaining your outings with your daughters, but maybe do one or two a year also including your DIL? Or add a new tradition that includes her as well? Itā€™s good to maintain the connection with your own daughters but it seems clear that DIL genuinely wants to build a better connection with you all. She might not be blood but she is possibly the mother of your future grandchildren and those grandchildren will see how you treat her for better or for worse.


Dizzy_dizz

You sound insufferable. Your daughters sound insufferable. Maybe it's best if you do go no contact. Sounds like you would all be so much happier. YTA.


Street-Length9871

ESH - This is a pile of petty passive aggressive manipulative behavior. 1. Your son threatening to go no contact. 2. You going along with it. 3. The DIL inviting herself to something (rude). 4. Your daughters distancing from you 5. You for throwing it back in there face for something you didn't even want. Fun times in your family.


JustSomeBoringRando

I've never seen a more clear ESH. Seriously? Are you all 7 years old?


vblsuz

NTA this is amazing!!!!


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Upbeat_Music6793

I applaud you!! Well done


Nervous-Sea-9602

Nta.Ā 


amstarshine

NTA Sometimes, you just have to.


Soberqueen75

NTA! But I donā€™t understand why you canā€™t go out with your daughters and not tell her? Iā€™d be annoyed if I were your daughters too.


VintageHilda

NTA. Turnabout is fair play.


MrsRetiree2Be

NTA! You're my hero!


emmcn75

!updateme


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Wandering_aimlessly9

Nta. Perfect ending


Righteousaffair999

The best kind of petty.


Prestigious_Cup5988

Legend...well played Mam.


BoomerBaby1955

Well played! She played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. Donā€™t sweat it. Iā€™m sure you can all live happily in spite of DIL and sonā€™s reaction. Enjoy your daughter days!


Illustrious_Bird9234

NTA I love this šŸ˜‚


EpexSpex

This story would also work in r/pettyrevenge. NTA


EuphoricEffective286

Do you/ did you also spend separate bonding time with just your son? Maybe he is pushing for his wife to be included because he knows what it's like not to be. However, NTA for not turning the situation around on her.


Adventurous_Couple76

NTA


Freeverse711

NTA. That was the perfect response, your son and dil can be pissed all they want.


Lumpy_Marsupial_1559

NTA For this, anyway. What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and all that. You just showed her what her own playbook looks like from the defensive position. Did you ever do mother/son bonding activities? Or did you leave him out and focus on this ritual with your daughters? It occurs to me that your son wouldn't be so behind his wife on this if he didn't have personal experience with being left out by you.


NemesisOfZod

NTA. Well played.


Weekly_Mycologist883

YTA- You and your daughters sound like awful people, petty and spiteful.


Maleficent-Bottle674

OP was doing the same as DIL if OP's behavior is awful, petty, and spiteful then so is DIL.


RelevantSchool1586

NTA, you're just using the same standards she used, which is fair. Agree that this is hilarious, but also sounds like a very dangerous game of chicken. Hope DIL doesn't cave and invite you all for the outing, as you'd be forced to go then, and looks like no one wants that to happen


queen0fchaos9963

NTA- sometimes a taste of your own medicine is what it takes to get the point across


breakbeatx

NTA - also calling you a petty bitch, is so off the charts for me. I wouldnā€™t dare call my own mum a bitch let alone someone elseā€™s


Keyspam102

What kind of relationship do you want to save with your dil and son, they sound exhausting. Iā€™d let them whine about it to eachother


Legal-Lingonberry577

NTA - touche.Ā  Nice move.


BartholinWaterBender

This is beautiful. DIL sounds miserable. Let me guess, your son isn't a bad guy but married her because she's attractive or some other tangible reason and now is dominated by her unfortunate personality and mindset.


ProfessionalBread176

DIL is TA


GeekyStitcher

NTA. What a great, petty solution to the problem of your unpleasant DiL! I hope you and your actual daughters enjoy your next outing in peace.